Bharat Rakshak

The ancients knew that in 1998 brevity in information released would no longer be accepted by Indic nationalist patriots. Long explanations are being demanded.

I think the ancients are in the heavens cheering Acharya ji (and Dorothy Parker - Brevity is the soul of lingeire)

Sanku saar

Reason why Admiral's comments are important is:

He chooses his words carefully and imho is trying to highlight the fact that India's current threat perceptions (which clearly singles out our gentle neighbors) are taken care of , debate over S-1's YIELD notwithstanding.

His reference to the FBF YIELD took me by surprise as he is not someone who would throw in numbers for the heck of it .

Negi Bhai, I completely agree, so far Adm Arun Prakash's statement is the most credible support to our nuclear force. I do not doubt it for a minute.

Even when SBM posted his classified info, I frankly still had reservations, however what SBM said is backed by Adm APs article to a great extent.

So yes we have some deterrence, probably a FBF which BARC has promised (note its not a knock) that will work at 200 KTs, Adm AP seems to be also convinced that BARCs promises will hold.

However I will say that yet again, we are still reading way to much into Adm APs statement. SBM said the same, and we did talk about the inherent difficulty in scaling FBF and how it needed testing to be sure.

So reliability of Fission (completely solid) > reliability of FBF @ 200 KT+ >> TN reliability.

Then there are questions of weight, material etc. So all in all I would still say that we are reading too much into the "one line" in the article.

In fact the real thrust of the article is not about yields at all. It is about a organizational culture for nuclear weapon development, here he is solidly with others who are in KS camp so to say.

In India various GOIs have an eye on the next election and their perception appears to have been that Indians will not be prepared to make the kinds of sacrifices that are necessary. Otherwise IMO the NDA government would have persisted with testing and formal deployment of TNs irrespective of military, technological and financial sanctions imposed and to be imposed and orchestrated by the US. Why did they not persist? Precisely because IMO they felt that the people of India would vote them out of power if the pain level exceeded a certain threshold. What if a program of testing involved intermittent testing over a 3 year period? What would have been the impact of sanctions on the life of the average Indian and in his willingness to vote for the GOI that put him through that pain?

Umm - I thought this entire 120 odd pages on BRF (POK not fully successful) was entirely about questioning the yields. Irrespective of the fact that one did not have access to data. Re 'organisational culture' I'm not sure there are any camps here (unless organisational culture means organising blue ribbon peer review by international experts)

Santanam Camp (so to say) fijjled or what?
We must justify the existence (ours and this thread as well) to Santanam Garu

I don't think this assertion is valid. The Americans made a point about imposing only those sanctions that influence the policies of the decision makers in the government without hurting ordinary citizens (ref Talbott's Engaging India). Further, many of the things that get governments elected in India are basic bijli, sadak, pani issues where the performance is dependent solely on internal variables. IMO, if an Indian government bases its nuclear policy on American reaction, it will be due to the direct impact it will have on the elite that make up the government rather than any electoral consequences.

Dr A Gopalakrishnanji has given an interview on CNBC to Karan Thapar where is has given zhor ka jhatka dheere se to PCji, Sikkaji, Kakodharji, Kalamji & NSAji. He said:-

1. Evidence leans in favor of Santhanam and PKI.
2. Instrumentation at site was checked by both BARC & DRDO together and “signed” as accurate.
3. PCji may have encouraged PM through BM to state within 3 hours of the test that it was successful even though the full measurements came way later.
4. BM asked PCji if we needs more tests but he said no.
5. BM confirmed to Gk that BM could not persuade PCji to meet PKI
5. If more tests had been carried out at that time it would not have made much difference as sanctions were already in place.
6. The only solution is for PM to intervene.


Note:- There is no Sanathanam camp,there is only One India camp for ALL BRites here except some with special H&D.

The sad truth is that Indian leaders want to keep the people poor and miserable, so that they can be reelected.

It is unlikely that the present setup of leaders and decision makers will do anything to improve the situation. In fact, they are trying to do everything, directly and indirectly, to hinder India's progress. I know that this concept is somewhat hard to accept, but it is the only reasonable explanation for such sustained incompetence.

Take our nuke weapon program for example. Why did we make half-hearted efforts, all along? It was beyond simple incompetence or the lack of vision (our first generation of leaders were more 'educated' and less insular than their chinese counterparts). Surely, they saw nuke deterrence working, and we had the minds to speed up progress in that area. It was beyond simple indecisiveness or peaceful visions of the world, it was active negligence and purposeful maladministration.

First Published : 20 Sep 2009 02:10:00 AM IST
Last Updated : 20 Sep 2009 09:41:16 AM IST

NEW DELHI: If the views of certain experts are any indication, disquiet is simmering within the country’s top nuclear scientists as there is an apparent bid to “hush up facts” following the sensational disclosure by fellow professional K Santhanam that the thermonuclear weapon tested in Pokhran 2 was a failure.

A Gopalakrishnan, a former chairman of the Atomic Energy Regulatory Board, told Express that BARC ex-director R Chidambaram, who is now Principal Scientific Adv iser to the Government of India, was “obviously indulging in a total misrepresentation of facts” in 1998 when he “encouraged” the then NDA government to tell the country that the blasts in the Rajasthan desert were a success.

“He might have several compulsions that made him say this when he knew the true facts. He must have been motivated partly by personal glory,” claimed Gopalakrishnan.

Chidambaram went on to receive the Padma Vibhushan after the May 11 tests.

“All this shows the DAE has been misleading the public and lying on issues. Not only in this instance, but in matters of nuclear safety and independence of safety regulations,” the 72-year-old expert maintained, adding “there are many other instances where an organisation like the AERB has been under pressure from both the PMO and the DAE to distort safety-related investigations.” He said A P J Abdul Kalam, oper ational in-charge of the blasts who later became the country’s president, possessed “very little knowledge” of nuclear weapons or the designs and physics behind them. “Also, he had only a peripheral role in the tests. But the public has since been led to believe Kalam is an expert.” The basic question in any scientist’s mind, Gopalakrishnan says, was “how one can extrapolate or modify a weapon design from the data on one single test — even if it were successful, which in this case was not”. He endorsed the setting up of a peer review for determining the efficacy of the Pokhran 2 thermonuclear device, which Dr Santhanam, a senior DRDO scientist, said failed to perform.

Dr Gopalakrishnan called for a technological committee comprising of international experts to review the “methodology used by Chidambaram and his colleagues to establish their claims”. Dr Chidambaram and S K Sikka — both weapon designers for the thermonuclear device — should “present their methodology to a technical committee involving international experts too. After that you should have a national peer review”.Another former BARC scientist, with intimate knowledge of weapons designing, expressed the doubt whether anybody in BARC had a fullscale understanding of a thermonuclear device.

“The service chiefs should put their foot down and not accept the thermonuclear weapon even if it has been weaponised,” he noted, pointing out that repeated tests for assurance was normal in any scientific endeavour.

BARC ex-head P K Iyengar, a former chairman of the Atomic Energy Board, had argued in an Express article on September 2 that there was need to conduct further tests. Dr Santhanam’s disclosure showed that there was no big explosion of the kind the government claimed, he added.

Another former BARC scientist declared that everybody involved in Pokhran 2 “ought to be cross-examined under oath by a retired Supreme Court judge to get to the bottom of the matter”.

Earlier, Dr Santhanam had pointed out that shaft in which the device was detonated in Pokhran remained undisturbed and “totally intact” after the explosion. And the A Frame, which had a winch to lower personnel and equipment into the shaft for the experiment also escaped the allegedly 45 kilotonne explosion completely unscathed.

Whereas in the case of the smaller fission device, which was tested the same day, the shaft was destroyed and the explosion left a crater 25 metres in diameter. Santhanam argues that if the TN weapon functioned, the crater would have been about 70 meters in diameter.

Raj,

Gopalkrishnan had his 15 minutes of fame (IF I may ) a few days ago:

More scientists back Santhanam on Pokhran II

Idev are you serious ? If what you say is indeed true then I have to admit Acharya garu has been right on dot since the day one with his pov. Btw what ever happened to NoKo and IRAN.

Santhanam sits alone in his South Delhi home, sipping Tajik vodka and watching Cartoon Network

edited.

Dr Chidambaram and S K Sikka — both weapon designers for the thermonuclear device — should “present their methodology to a technical committee involving international experts too. After that you should have a national peer review”

“The service chiefs should put their foot down and not accept the thermonuclear weapon even if it has been weaponised,” he noted, pointing out that repeated tests for assurance was normal in any scientific endeavour.

NRao


I did not catch the full interview but he generally said that weaponization was a political decision. Imp:- He said that 1974 just gave us general idea of nukes but only 1998 gave us info about weaponization which "may" be used to make weapons.

The yields was about 12 kt and not 55 kt as claimed by traitors Vajpayee or Kalam. The second stage of the two-stage fusion assembly failed to ignite as planned.

I have designed Thorium rods that are being tried for conversion to U233. This is an experimental fuel and not proven. This is to be done in fast breeder reactors. Our fast breeder reactor is coming up in Kalpakkam. Last time a tsunami flooded the plant as these things were not thought of during design. Every fast breeder reactor is unstable and danger to the population as there reactors are inherently unsafe because of its positive void coefficient. Only one small test fast reactor operates in India in Kalpakkam. The construction of a larger prototype fast breeder reactor (PFBR) at Kalpakkam that use mixed plutonium uranium oxide as fuel in its core, with a blanket of depleted uranium oxide that will absorb neutrons and transmute into plutonium 239 is expected by 2010. Liquid sodium will be used to cool the core, which will produce 1,200 megawatts of thermal power and 500 megawatts of electricity. Only low IQ Tamils will allow 80km away such a potential bomb near Chennai city.

The nuclear treaty is worse than signing NPT as per our retired AEC chairman Setna. The agreement was done using ISI CIA agent Manmohan Singh and ISI, CIA, OPUS DEI, KGB agent Sonia. Nuclear treaty is a trechery on India by the christian congress party of India.

Americans are not an intelligent community and never had brilliant fellows. They solved the problem by taking in even Nazi scientists to develop their rockets, and now taking all intelligent immigrants. like our Kerala, Tamil and Andhra Brahmins.

At the end of the day Hindus are more treacherous to India than christians or muslims. Vajpaee is a clear example of a Hindu traitor.Christians if they stop conversion and raiding our houses with fake christian religion,where Jesus was a creation of fiction in AD 325, are good people to associate with. Unfortunately they are brain damaged with blind belief. Muslims are also good persons but are genetically damaged permanently and are like animals who want to kills humans to go to hevean. They also believe the fake story of Mohd who never lived on earth and even the Arabic language was bot there when fake Mohd was created and his personality was given to some unknown orphan who lived some 150 years earlier.

When Sarabhai was killed by an apparant heart attack. The staff of the hotel told that two Christian ladies came out of his room after killing Sarabhai. USA had penetrated DAE in the form of Christians employed in the administration, long ago. Without any Indo US nuke agreement in we directly got from France enriched U fuel in 1974 when BNFL of UK refused supply as we did not sign NPT. Setna took the agreement to France and we got the fuel and no PM was involved in it.

More scientists back Santhanam on Pokhran II


Chidambaram's dud blows up strategic deterrence


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