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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2009 20:36 
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Dilbu wrote:
The entire area will have to be cordoned off. Atleast now the govt should move its a$$ and eliminate the naxals.

That region used to be strong hold of AP Maoists. Infact it used to be impregnable court for them, where even the top leadership used to have their base set up in that forests. But it has been successfully breached by grey hounds and they shifted base to AOB region.
I think they want to be on the safe side.


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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2009 20:40 
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The entire area will have to be cordoned off. Atleast now the govt should move its a$$ and eliminate the naxals.

5000 people from CRPF are more than capable of doing that, but with the rain (this is when the area gets most of its rain), it will be a very tough job.

The govt has to commit both stick and the carrot, but so far one is disproportionally more than the other.


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Hope he stays away from the clutches of the naxals, given he is with his security officer it is an assurance. IMO, no confirmation will be sent out until he is secured by greyhounds


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I hope the state security forces are on alert to stop any mob or rioting incidents that may happen should YSR does not come out alive from this.

These are so typical of the area he hails from and innocents can be put to a lot of hassel.

Sincere hoping that the state of AP and our nation gain from this crisis. :wink:


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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2009 20:53 
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since this news is all over media and AP now even Maoist and their sympathizers will be looking out for him.


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Andhra CM goes missing.

Andhra babudom asks USA defence department to help.


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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2009 21:26 
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First of all, did the helicopter land?
If it did, is this all search and news just a diversion so that naxalites don't where he is? Or is it to maximum mileage out of the situation?


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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2009 21:43 
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We should have a "current news" thread to discuss this rather than the ISW thread. I hope he & others are found safe and healthy.


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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2009 21:44 
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A lot of time has passed - doesn't the helicopter have a black box? Does one have to fly right over the black box to detect it, I wonder.

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YSR's Helicopter search called off

PTI | New Delhi

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The helicopter has been stopped for the time being because of weather and light conditions. Tomorrow in the first light of the day, helicopters will continue the search, he said.

However, Chidambaram said the search on foot by forest and revenue officials was on around the point where they think the helicopter was last seen. Police and CRPF personnel were also moving on foot. They would reach there in an hour or so.....

The Union Home Ministry has rushed 5,000 CRPF personnel to the area from nearby Chattisgarh and Orissa to conduct search in the area.Andhra Pradesh police is moving towards the site where the helicopter was last seen or where the mobile signal was last found. (????)

CRPF personnel are also moving. They will also reach the area in an hour or so. Let's hope for the best and let's pray for the best, he said.....


BTW, c comment under that... :roll:


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At least one report suggests that there was one radio contact with the helicopter after it landed. Others seem to suggest that the last radio contact was with the Chennai ATC before it went missing.

Hopefully, he and the others with him will be found safe and sound.


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I would not be surprised if anyone wanted to take out personal vendetta and downed the helicopter (Info for some one not from AP: YSR is a known factionist and has lots of enemies, read about the latest film thats being made by Ram gopal verma on paritala ravi, he was a known enemy of YSR and would not be surprised if his family members had any hand in this)

personally i believe that YSR should be found alive, if he is not then we would have lots of infighting in the party(last time the con party had some thing like this we had three different instances of hindu muslim riots and 1000's of innocents had to loose lives and had to go through 3-4 Chief Ministers)


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A lot of time has passed - doesn't the helicopter have a black box? Does one have to fly right over the black box to detect it, I wonder.


One of the TV channels had some one from the army as an expert. He said that this helicopter does not have any form of a beacon emitter. Apparently only army helicopters have those. This helicopter does not have a beacon emitter, nor a communication device...
The channel also said that ISRO would be providing sat images to help in the rescue mission


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shanth wrote:
One of the TV channels had some one from the army as an expert. He said that this helicopter does not have any form of a beacon emitter. Apparently only army helicopters have those. This helicopter does not have a beacon emitter, nor a communication device...


Now on TV9 they are saying that if the helicopter had crashed it would have activated the ELT. This helicopter was fitted with ELT.


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Andhra CM's chopper not airworthy: DGCA


http://publication.samachar.com/topstor ... hidambaram

Does not make sense. A CM using a chopper not airworthy!


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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2009 22:03 
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Sridhar wrote:
At least one report suggests that there was one radio contact with the helicopter after it landed.
Many of the earlier reports explicitly mentioned that the chopper had been located but no info about 'YSR's whereabouts'. Hope I'm wrong here, but its possible that the Naxals captured him after he landed and the GOI is trying its best to cover it up and rescue him. Ofcourse, why would the Naxals be mum about such a 'victory' for so long? Just a passing thought this...

BTW, the NSA accepted to Times Now that the US Dept of Defence has been asked for help, to make use of their advanced satellites which can negate the 'cloud cover, darkness'. He also mentioned that the ISRO satellites will come into play in the morning!


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Andhra CM's chopper not airworthy: DGCA


http://publication.samachar.com/topstor ... hidambaram

Does not make sense. A CM using a chopper not airworthy!
PTI reports that the same helicopter developed some snags about a month ago when it was carrying Dalai Lama! The chopper's windscreen developed a crack it says.

Also, there was some Air Marshal (Retd) <Keloor was it?>, who is supposed to be an aviation safety expert also pointing to the fact that the chopper had not undergone the regular tests before it took off. But he also mentioned categorically, that it did not mean the chopper was faulty. But yes, this was serious lapse.


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I would not be surprised if anyone wanted to take out personal vendetta and downed the helicopter (Info for some one not from AP: YSR is a known factionist and has lots of enemies, read about the latest film thats being made by Ram gopal verma on paritala ravi, he was a known enemy of YSR and would not be surprised if his family members had any hand in this)

personally i believe that YSR should be found alive, if he is not then we would have lots of infighting in the party(last time the con party had some thing like this we had three different instances of hindu muslim riots and 1000's of innocents had to loose lives and had to go through 3-4 Chief Ministers)


No factionist has the ability to take down a helicopter. That's bull. He killed a lot of TDP leaders with the help of criminals and police. The murderer of Paritala Ravi is to be released this month after a mercy petition approval on Aug 15. That's a joke! It shows how directly YSR is involved in the murder not some nameless CON party activists. But the ever sycophantic media is silent on this. Paritala is no saint but if the CM organizes murders, what is the state of the common man? No wonder youth spray acid on girls if they reject their overtures. They take their cues from crooks such as YSR.

Don't care either way. Dead or alive, YSR will haunt AP for a long time thanks to his murderous and looting ways!


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Bell 430 Helicopter YSR was flying in one of these.


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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2009 22:13 
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Hope he is safe. But i am surprised that US DOD is asked for help, India satelites will be looking for him and thousands of CRPF soldiers to find his whereabout,its all seems too much. Its not a national calamity if he is missing for short time. Was/IS he being groomed as another MMS by Kongress party?


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Dmurphy wrote:
saip wrote:
Andhra CM's chopper not airworthy: DGCA


http://publication.samachar.com/topstor ... hidambaram

Does not make sense. A CM using a chopper not airworthy!
PTI reports that the same helicopter developed some snags about a month ago when it was carrying Dalai Lama! The chopper's windscreen developed a crack it says.

Also, there was some Air Marshal (Retd) <Keloor was it?>, who is supposed to be an aviation safety expert also pointing to the fact that the chopper had not undergone the regular tests before it took off. But he also mentioned categorically, that it did not mean the chopper was faulty. But yes, this was serious lapse.


Air Marshal Keelor is a hero the 1965 war. He shot down the first F-86 Sabre jet. It would be nice if atleast forum members know who the heros are.

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Prem, its odd at the frenzy being launched. Something is not right. US sats have to be tasked to this. Is that feasible? Or is it message to someone?


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shanth wrote:
This helicopter does not have a beacon emitter, nor a communication device...


There will at least be a radio.


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Addendum: 300 Army personnel equipped with thermal imaging devices and NVGs also pressed into action


If only these thermal imaging devices were available in these numbers during 26/11


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ramana garu:
I hope it is just not a giant tamasha/drama enacted behind the scenes. He is a big time Sonia man.


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US spy satelite to focus on AP , how many strategic sites are there in the area ?
SwamiG, tamasha will bring him the national and to some extent international lime light with great debt owed to Uncle. lets hope the urgency is genuine but all this on such grand scale ? It shows EJ power in dilli darbar.


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Aviation experts are intrigued on one issue concerning the disappearance of the helicopter of Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y Rajasekhara Reddy: Why is there no signal coming from the BEL 430 chopper?

Helicopter experts point out that the BEL chopper is equipped with an Emergency Location Transmitter (ELT) that can send out signals for 48 to 72 hours. The ELT gets automatically activated if the chopper crashes. But if it has been caught in a difficult weather or terrain, the pilot can manually activate the ELT.

In the case of YSR's helicopter, neither of this has happened. This is a mystery. Experts say there could be two reasons: The ELT probably is not functioning (which, if true, is a major lapse) or there was a serious mechanical problem that rendered the ELT useless (which is a remote possibility).

If the signals were emitted, it could have been captured by the search and rescue satellite operated by ISRO. The satellites of ISRO have a transponder only for this purpose and it is use extensively by the Air Force in case of a missing plane - either of India or other countries.

Since this signal did not come from YSR's chopper, the Air Force decided to press in the Sukhoi-30 fighters that have very sensitive radars and capabilities to reconstruct a thermal map of a wide area. The Sukhois can catch any unusual event in difficult terrain.

In 2005, it was a Sukhoi that caught an unusual activity in the deep forest area of Belgaum where an Indian Navy plane had gone missing for four days. Based on the Sukhoi's inputs, troops were able to locate the aircraft after five days and found a survivor who was still strapped to his seat.

The government has also pressed in the aircraft of National Remote Sensing organisation (NRSA ) that can fly at very low altitude and has good night vision.

The problem, according to experts, is that in case of an emergency landing or crash of a helicopter in dense forest, the `disturbance' in the area will be hardly 200-500 metres. Such a small disturbance is hard to locate by overhead flying planes. It all depends on how big a `footprint' the aircraft leaves behind when it goes down, said an expert.

The only hope is to physically look out for the helicopter through dense combing operations. That is why the Army has pressed in its elite troops that have what is called `deep instincts' to locate and rescue personnel.

Reports also indicate that the pilot may have deviated from the approved flight path in order to avoid rough weather conditions. This has made the search operations difficult. If the pilot had stuck to the flight path, it would have been easy to pin-point a rough area where it went down by calculating the flight duration.

Source: India Syndicate


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Prem wrote:
US spy satelite to focus on AP , how many strategic sites are there in the area ?


Like they need our permission to foucs. :roll:


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Prem wrote:
US spy satelite to focus on AP , how many strategic sites are there in the area ?


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Prem wrote:
US spy satelite to focus on AP , how many strategic sites are there in the area ?


Like they need our permission to foucs. :roll:


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The only thing i care is his whereabouts should be known conclusively. If he stays missing naxals can take advantage and indulge in rumour mongering and ask for anything/everything and ys jagan(his son) /pc/govt will oblige(given our track record of giving up during hostage situations)


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Prem wrote:
US spy satelite to focus on AP , how many strategic sites are there in the area ?


Like they need our permission to foucs. :roll:


. Let me ask , is he that important to india to ask for such "yelp" ?


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Somethings stinks big time...
By putting in thermal imagers, Su-30MKI(using and therefore giving out their radar signature), ISRO satellites, NRSA and possibly ARC aircraft, chinbakiunkil, sitting on the ground, is getting a very good idea of everything. Every techint/elint capability that desh has is being mapped.


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I would not be surprised if anyone wanted to take out personal vendetta and downed the helicopter (Info for some one not from AP: YSR is a known factionist and has lots of enemies, read about the latest film thats being made by Ram gopal verma on paritala ravi, he was a known enemy of YSR and would not be surprised if his family members had any hand in this)

personally i believe that YSR should be found alive, if he is not then we would have lots of infighting in the party(last time the con party had some thing like this we had three different instances of hindu muslim riots and 1000's of innocents had to loose lives and had to go through 3-4 Chief Ministers)


No factionist has the ability to take down a helicopter. That's bull. He killed a lot of TDP leaders with the help of criminals and police. The murderer of Paritala Ravi is to be released this month after a mercy petition approval on Aug 15. That's a joke! It shows how directly YSR is involved in the murder not some nameless CON party activists. But the ever sycophantic media is silent on this. Paritala is no saint but if the CM organizes murders, what is the state of the common man? No wonder youth spray acid on girls if they reject their overtures. They take their cues from crooks such as YSR.

Don't care either way. Dead or alive, YSR will haunt AP for a long time thanks to his murderous and looting ways!

read about factionists who sold everything that they posses to kill their enemy's. How hard is it to get a RPG to some location deep in a forest. And with the linkage of ISI and Maoists I do not think its any hard for Maoists to get the stuff that they need.
Anyways we would have to wait till tomorrow to get the full news.


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YSR missing copter: second instance in Andhra Pradesh

New Delhi, Sept 2 (PTI) Today's instance of Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y S Rajasekhara Reddy's helicopter going missing is the second such case to happen in the dense forests of Andhra Pradesh since last year.

On August 3, 2008, a private helicopter with its four crew members on board, went missing when it was flying to the thick Bastar forest area in Chhattisgarh.

About three months later parts of a helicopter were located in Pamanuru forest area in Andhra Pradesh.


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the NSA accepted to Times Now that the US Dept of Defence has been asked for help,


What is this fetish for running to the US for everything? Why is such help never asked from Russia? UPA seems to be Americans running india by proxy.


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I am sure we are preparing a dossier in triplicate


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There are 3 other people on that helicopter other than YSR. At least show some concern for them.


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There are 3 other people on that helicopter other than YSR. At least show some concern for them.


this guy has enemies all over the state. unless he comes out safe waving his hands with a smile on his face,Andhra will celebrate holi with blood bath

I feel sorry abt the 3 others

Jai hind


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There are 3 other people on that helicopter other than YSR. At least show some concern for them.


2 Pilots, Secretary & security guy -- so atleast 4


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Hunt for YSR's chopper on through night: Andhra official
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Ramakant Reddy: We have 41 imageries picked up by the low flying aircraft of the ISRO Bangalore. They would take about another three hours or so to analyse. So I am expecting some news from the NRSA in Hyderabad after going through the ISRO satellite images maybe after 11.30 pm.


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