Indian Naval Discussion

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2010 08:30

the Bears turboprop engines are likely the most powerful ever designed around 15000hp each iirc and it uses a peculiar double propeller layout. I doubt spares for either are available from anywhere but Rus mil-ind complex or some boneyards of their naval aviation regiments.
would be interesting to know how many Bears are in squadron service with Rus naval aviation and their uptimes today.

I have no doubt they would have reserved the best of the rest (boneyard beauties) in a special block for their own use, with the other export customers having to manage with the remainder.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 25 Dec 2010 09:10

Interesting news ....

MoD gets notice over INS Khukri sailor's appeal

The Chandigarh bench of Armed Forces Tribunal (AFT) issued a notice to MoD on Monday after hearing a petition filed by one of the survivors of INS Khukri. The frigate sank during the '71 Indo-Pak war, and the sailor has questioned the official record prepared by Directorate of Naval Operations.

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Gill, who was on duty on the night of December 9, 1971 when the Pakistani submarine PNS Hangor hit INS Khukri, says there are glaring errors in the records, which came to his notice in February 2004. According to naval history, INS Khukri sank after it was hit by a single torpedo, even as INS Kirpan manoeuvred to deflect the torpedo attack.

But Gill claims three torpedoes hit Khukri and, instead of counter attacking, INS Kirpan retreated. Brig Singh's counsel, advocate R S Bains, has pleaded for a comprehensive inquiry by a judicial commission, withdrawal of gallantry awards from those who allegedly showed cowardice (including officers and commanding officer of INS Kirpan) and fixing responsibility for the Navy's huge cover up after the loss of Khukri.
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Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 27 Dec 2010 18:40

shiv wrote: I contacted my unkal Googal and asked her

arya · Post by **arya** » 27 Dec 2010 20:29

Kersi D wrote:
shiv wrote: I contacted my unkal Googal and asked her

actually he contacted Googla ben and asked her

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Dec 2010 19:03

Indian Navy Sea Harriers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv5PGlU4UKc

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 29 Dec 2010 00:11

arya wrote:
shiv wrote: I contacted my unkal Googal and asked her

actually he contacted Googla ben and asked her

It must be Googleebehn

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 29 Dec 2010 01:58

shiv wrote:Indian Navy Sea Harriers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv5PGlU4UKc

Wonderful Upload Shiv Sir. +1 like from me.

BTW, enjoyed reading your IEDs and comments in a certain blog recently.

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 29 Dec 2010 07:16

2010 Year End Review - Indian Navy

vic · Post by **vic** » 29 Dec 2010 10:15

arun wrote:X Posted from the Indian Missiles and Munitions thread.

US Congress notified of likely sale of Harpoon Block II to India.

21 AGM-84L HARPOON Block II Missiles and 5 ATM-84L HARPOON Block II for use on the Boeing P8-I’s:

India – AGM-84L HARPOON Block II Missiles

Pakistan bought 130 Harpoons for US$ 370 million, how come we are buying similar stuff (Block 2 missiles) for 400% extra??????? Further is this the second order or first one? There were earlier reports of India buying 24 Harpoon Block II missiles to arm its maritime strike Jaguar fighters in a deal worth $170 million through the Foreign Military Sales. So we seem to have got 24+21=45 missiles for around US$ 370 while Pakistan got around 130-150(?) for the same price, what gives?? As it is wooden round therefore therefore spares cannot cost that much. Integration costs with Jags and P-8I should also be minimal, so what is the story?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 29 Dec 2010 10:24

vic wrote:
arun wrote:X Posted from the Indian Missiles and Munitions thread.

US Congress notified of likely sale of Harpoon Block II to India.

21 AGM-84L HARPOON Block II Missiles and 5 ATM-84L HARPOON Block II for use on the Boeing P8-I’s:

India – AGM-84L HARPOON Block II Missiles
Pakistan bought 130 Harpoons for US$ 370 million, how come we are buying similar stuff (Block 2 missiles) for 400% extra???????

pakis got second hand stuff

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 29 Dec 2010 10:29

cause we are subsidising the TSP purchase with our purchase onlee..........

sohamn · Post by **sohamn** » 30 Dec 2010 02:05

vic wrote:
arun wrote: India – AGM-84L HARPOON Block II Missiles
Pakistan bought 130 Harpoons for US$ 370 million, how come we are buying similar stuff (Block 2 missiles) for 400% extra??????? Further is this the second order or first one? There were earlier reports of India buying 24 Harpoon Block II missiles to arm its maritime strike Jaguar fighters in a deal worth $170 million through the Foreign Military Sales. So we seem to have got 24+21=45 missiles for around US$ 370 while Pakistan got around 130-150(?) for the same price, what gives?? As it is wooden round therefore therefore spares cannot cost that much. Integration costs with Jags and P-8I should also be minimal, so what is the story?

I think the angle MOD looks is the life cycle cost including training, warranty, parts etc. Whereas some other counties may just look at the cost pf purchase. Thats why most of the the Indian procurement looks costly.

And yes this purchase is only for P8I, we have already purchased the ones for Jags

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 30 Dec 2010 04:40

DRDO working on cutting submarine vulnerability

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 30 Dec 2010 11:05

suryag wrote:DRDO working on cutting submarine vulnerability

The Kilos and U-209s will be decommissioned before this system is ready for installation. Half of the Scorpene fleet and all of the second line subs will have an AIP system. The IN's Chakra class SSBNs have no use for it.

So why exactly are we going for this development?

saurav.jha · Post by **saurav.jha** » 30 Dec 2010 11:37

^^^ They might be developing this for the indigenous 12 subs which is planned..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Dec 2010 12:42

future midget subs and uuv too.

Ajit.C · Post by **Ajit.C** » 30 Dec 2010 13:32

INS Dunagiri was decommissioned on 20th Oct 2010. There was no mention of the decommisioning in "2010 year end review-Indian Navy".

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 30 Dec 2010 19:30

Miscarriage!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Dec 2010 21:33

turned to be the most expensive 'gift' in history. if we had spent the same money on ordering a Cavour class from italy atleast we'd have something in hand now, albeit it would operate only the Tejas-N.

vasu_ray · Post by **vasu_ray** » 30 Dec 2010 23:18

Per latest news reports Viraat is here to stay until 2020, if not then they should really convert it into a sea-launch platform enabling equitorial launch, the success of Dhanush should be encouraging. They could start with PSLVs and then move onto GSLVs

srai · Post by **srai** » 31 Dec 2010 04:55

Viv S wrote:
suryag wrote:DRDO working on cutting submarine vulnerability
The Kilos and U-209s will be decommissioned before this system is ready for installation. Half of the Scorpene fleet and all of the second line subs will have an AIP system. The IN's Chakra class SSBNs have no use for it.

So why exactly are we going for this development?

FYI, in that same article:

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(Incidentally, The Hindu has learnt from sources in the Navy that it has asked the DRDO to come up with a fully engineered fuel cell AIP by 2014 for possible use in the last two of the six Scorpene submarines being built in Mumbai's Mazagaon Dock. The Navy has also given sanction for the land-based prototype AIP in August this year.)

manish.rastogi · Post by **manish.rastogi** » 01 Jan 2011 01:44

okay...so we have quite good relations with south korea and south korea is one if nt the most advanced shipbuilding nation,what stops us to send people over there for training in modern shipbuilding processes....invite some south korean companies to upgrade and build shipyards.....

Also,currently the undersea capability of navy is quite fcuked up....we needed new submarines yesterday also money is not a problem now....well i am totally for indigenisation but desperate times need desperate measures....cant we just order 8-10 kilo class submarines....build 2-3 over here in india...and rest in russia...well they could build these quite fast relative us also whether we build 2 or 8 subs it wont really increase our screw driver knowledge,....so as our docks are already overburdened we could be able to get 4 if not 5 instead of 2 subs in same time with not much loss.....i cant think of any other way to get our fleet strength to normal or to increase!!

vasu_ray · Post by **vasu_ray** » 01 Jan 2011 02:18

Navy and Coast Guard are getting the coastal suveillance system, now isn't it a good opportunity to go for the OTH radar network using the same stations dotting the whole of the country's coasline, we already have some technology in the form of a giant radio telescope station at Pune and real time networking from the BMD program

a) they could then monitor the Arabian sea for piracy, terrorists, TSP fleet, IN can then focus on specific threats as needed instead of stretching its limited resources

b) if in future we setup the offshore wind turbines for power generation based on the technology derived from the 12MW Kaveri Marine Gas Turbine project, those can be monitored as well

c) early warning of tsunamis and cyclones

d) monitoring of both shipping lanes and civil airline traffic over the oceans

e) At some point in future if the IN CBG can host the OTH antennas their situational awareness will be phenomenal even for low flying threats

f) throwing in for a safe measure, the Chinese intend to dominate the Indian ocean in the near future probably under the guise of protecting their commercial shipping so we need the AshBM and it should be long ranged than Dhanush

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 01 Jan 2011 06:55

DPR-Navy

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 01 Jan 2011 07:31

^^Of all things, why did they have to put an crusty ol' Foxtrot in the pic?

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 01 Jan 2011 08:15

To the left is the glorious wake. To the right is the Vibrant future.

Isharon ko samjo.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 01 Jan 2011 12:36

Indian Navy Receives Offer to Upgrade Jalashwa's Sikorsky Choppers
..:: India Strategic ::..

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 01 Jan 2011 13:12

India to set up R&D center for Warship : National Institute for Research and Development in Defence Shipbuilding

The objective of NIRDESH is to promote R&D relating to Warship and Submarine design, and to provide impetus in developing composite and complete indigenous capability to meet future demands of ships and submarines by the Indian maritime security agencies. The Institute also intends to act as the knowledge and data bank repository on special system designs and also offer consultancy to shipyards in various competencies.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Jan 2011 13:17

how does this relate to DND ?

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 01 Jan 2011 13:24

edited,

Will let you know.

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Added it in last para

Indian Navy has its own warship design wing. It is manned by Naval personnel. NIRDESH will cater primarily to Indian defence forces and will have participation from shipyards, Navy, Coast guard etc.

Shyam_K · Post by **Shyam_K** » 02 Jan 2011 20:14

As part of the 2010 UK Strategic Defence and Security Review, the Royal Navy is going to retire one of its Bay class landing ship dock with an Albion class landing platform dock being put on extended readiness. The Bay Bay class LSDs are fairly capable and new (oldest being 4 years old). It may be a good idea for IN to look in to buying the retired Bay class LSD to augment INS Jalashva. A quick and possibly cheap way to quickly build up capability while waiting for the Indian built LPD.

Link to the 2010 UK Strategic Defence and Security Review

sum · Post by **sum** » 03 Jan 2011 09:43

Sea trials of Autonomous Underwater Vehicle scheduled for January-end

KOCHI: The sea trials of the Autonomous Underwater Vehicle (AUV) designed and developed by the Central Mechanical Engineering Research Institute (CMERI), Durgapur — a constituent establishment of the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) — are slated to begin off the Chennai coast during the last week of January.

The ‘AUV-150,' as the prototype is named, is built to operate 150 metres under the sea. It was developed in technical collaboration with the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Kharagpur.

The performance parameters of the lab-scale model, developed by the IIT, acted as a precursor to the prototype developed by CSIR-CMERI. The project is sponsored by the Ministry of Earth Sciences.

The cylindrical AUV is capable of independently carrying out a plethora of underwater operations, including ocean floor-mapping, surveillance activities and oceanographic studies, based on data gathered using its onboard sensors.

The AUV underwent a series of sheltered water trials at the Defence Research and Development Organisation's Underwater Acoustic Research Facility (UARF) in Kerala's Idukki Reservoir over the last two years. The final leg of the still-water trials was conducted in the reservoir between September and October 2010.

CMERI Director Gautam Biswas said: “The National Institute of Ocean Technology [NIOT] earlier developed a Remotely Operated Vehicle [ROV] with the capability to dive much deeper. Our vehicle, however, is different in that it is not remotely operated from a control station ashore. It has an onboard computer that can be pre-programmed to carry out specific tasks, which makes it a smart vehicle endowed with the ability to devise its own stratagems to execute a mission. The payload and the configuration are determined by the nature of the mission it is tasked with.”

During the sea trials, the AUV's image processing capability would be assessed.

“Besides, its capacity to model environmental parameters such as temperature gradient, current, depth and salinity gradient would be scrutinised. Once the technology is proven through extensive sea trials, the AUV can be customised for applications like close-to-coast undersea monitoring, mine counter-measures, cable and pipeline surveys, besides a host of oceanographic studies,” Professor Biswas said.

Features

The AUV has hybrid communication channels. It uses radio frequency while on surface, but switches to acoustic communication when submerged. “The AUV has its own power, propulsion, navigation and control systems. For movement underwater, it locates own geographical position using navigational sensors, while its forward-looking sonar facilitates obstacle evasion and safe passage. For effective operation, it is equipped with navigational sensors like the inertial navigation system, depth sonar, altimeter etc., and payload sensors like camera, side scan sonar and the like. It has extra roll stability, a cruising speed of up to four knots, and weighs about 490 kg,” Professor Biswas said.

‘Major project'

The CSIR-CMERI held numerous meetings with experts from IIT-Kharagpur and NIOT during the development of the vehicle.

“We also made a presentation at the Naval Science and Technological Laboratory [NSTL] at Visakhapatnam, which is developing its own AUV. The AUV-150 is one of the major projects executed by the CSIR family, and based on a few such projects, a joint R&D Council of CSIR-DRDO has been formed. The Indian Navy has also shown immense interest in our project,” Professor Biswas said.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Jan 2011 14:01

^^ AUV should come in handy for mine hunting ,mapping of ocean surface and special operation for the IN

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Jan 2011 15:21

inspecting underwater structures of oil rigs or releasing one from a submarine to check out its hull or ships hull at sea could be a useful tool.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 03 Jan 2011 17:13

Dont forget the new series of survey ships on order for ze fleet. If this baby can be deployed by those ships, they can map the ocean bed for SSBN deployment of the IN as well.

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 03 Jan 2011 18:12

I hope it can travel say ~ 100 kms under water and celebrate Diwali in / under Karachi harbourwhen we get in the mood.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 04 Jan 2011 01:55

Indian Navy Denies Seeking Three More Scorpenes

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 04 Jan 2011 18:26

SALVEX 2011 - Indian Navy, US Navy Divers Exercise Specialist Salvage Techniques in Salvex

sumshyam · Post by **sumshyam** » 04 Jan 2011 20:38

DRDO Plans to Develop AIP System for Submarines

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 05 Jan 2011 07:08

SALVEX 2011