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ramana wrote:Abhijit, Badmash had the nerve to dismiss a sitting Cheif of Army: Mushy. Its rice bowl effect.
Two sitting chiefs during one term - dont forget Karamat.

Badmash is trippy. If he had not been exiled to paradise under the instigation of west, by Mushy, he would have helped talibanese faster! So many IED mubaraks left unsaid and so many liberal tasveer painting sessions missed due to that exile!!
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Yes he could have taken the ball from the kabila guards. However big problem is uncle doesn't trust him due to Chagai. Now read Rediel's summary that KSA would facilitate his rise with guards mollified and US has to accept it.
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Thanx Rman - appreciated.
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ABC News’ Nick Schifrin and Karen Travers report: Vice President Joe Biden made an unannounced trip to Pakistan today to try and push government and military leaders to crack down on militants and shore up a shaky economy.Biden delivered that message in private and in public, one week after a prominent politician was assassinated and crowds across the country celebrated his killer.“Societies that tolerate such actions wind up being consumed by those actions,” Biden said to the media in prepared remarks.Biden was in the country for only about 6 hours and did not meet any Pakistanis who do not work in the government or military. He traveled by motorcade under extraordinary security from the airport to the U.S. embassy, then onto the Presidential palace, the prime minister’s residence, and the military’s headquarters before departing for an unannounced destination.‬He had arrived in Pakistan from Afghanistan, where he spent a day and a half in three different provinces, meeting with President Hamid Karzai, U.S. troops, and U.S. diplomats in a trip that was far more extensive than the one he made to Pakistan.In Afghanistan, Biden said the United States military needed more help from Pakistan if it was going to permanently push out the Taliban.“It’s going to require more pressure -- more pressure on the Taliban, from Pakistan’s side of the border, than we’ve been -- we’ve been able to exert so far,” Biden said in a statement delivered next to Afghan President Hamid Karzai.After his arrival in Islamabad, Biden traveled to the U.S. embassy, where he met with American officials, including the new U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, Cameron Munter. He later sat down with Pakistani President Zadari at the presidential palace.The press was allowed to observe the beginning of their meeting, when Biden joked with Zardari, whom he has known for years.“We should act like we know each other,” the vice president quipped. “I’ve known the president long enough that I used to have hair.”“Is he making fun of me?” Zadari asked.Biden laughed and ran his hand over his thinning hair and asked a Pakistani official, “What are you laughing at?”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... by-it.html
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Pakistan's cotton for onion blackmail
Pakistan stoppage of onion exports over land to India and its demand for 10 lakh bales of cotton from India are being perceived as a threat by the exporting community.

“If Pakistan is interested in getting cotton, it can get it from the open market by offering the price that is prevailing in the global market. Instead, demanding and linking it with onion can at the most be seen as blackmail,” said a Kolkata-based exporter.

According to exporters in Mumbai, Pakistan is offering around Rs 51,400 for a bale of 29 mm length cotton from India. “Against such an offer for Shankar-6, Pakistan is selling its cotton of 26 mm length at around Rs 57,000,” said an exporter from Mumbai.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

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Also isn't the onion crisis a fake one to enrich Pawar?

300 trucks of onions arent worth 10 lakh bales of cotton underpriced at Rs 6000/bale!

So whats going on?
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^May be that is what MMS meant by going more than halfway? :-? we will see.
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US assures Pakistan of “no boots on ground”
http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=18788
ISLAMABAD: The United States on Wednesday assured Pakistan of “no boots on the ground” and said it fully respects Pakistan’s sovereignty.
An official source privy to the meeting between Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani and US Vice President Joe Biden here at the PM house said the United States also acknowledged as “legitimate” Pakistan’s apprehensions about foreign intervention through Afghanistan.The meeting that comes as the situation in Afghanistan enters a defining phase provided an opportunity to both sides to exchange views on bilateral and regional issues.Biden, who arrived here on a day-long visit, after meeting Afghan President Hamid Karzai, also met President Asif Ali Zardari and the Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani to discuss the Afghan strategy and eventual pullout of US forces.
The official terming the meeting as “extremely useful high- level consultation” said both the sides discussed how to proceed forward on matters related to Afghanistan.The objective was to have a clear understanding of what the US, Afghanistan and Pakistan want, and how can they proceed towards achieving greater regional peace.It was agreed that strategic alignment was needed between Islamabad, Kabul and Washington to reach a pragmatic solution as the first deadline of transition to Afghan-led security in July 2011 approaches.
According to the official source the United States was interested in finding out “Pakistan’s bottom line” and its “intentions” regarding Afghanistan.
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US does not want to break up Pakistan
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg1_1
ISLAMABAD: United States Vice President Joe Biden said on Wednesday the US does not want to break up Pakistan, refuting the claims that Washington has imposed its anti-terror war on the South Asian country.
Biden, during his meeting with Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani at the Prime Minister’s House, acknowledged as “legitimate” Pakistan’s apprehensions about foreign intervention through Afghanistan
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The meeting that comes as the situation in Afghanistan enters a defining phase, provided an opportunity to both sides to exchange views on bilateral and regional issues. The US vice president assured Pakistan of “no boots on the ground” and said it fully respected Pakistan’s sovereignty. “We are not the enemies of Islam and we embrace those who practice that great religion in our country,” he said. In a joint press conference with PM Gilani, Biden claimed that their discussions had been “extremely useful” before he turned to address anti-American sentiment, fanned by the ongoing war in Afghanistan and a covert US drone campaign.“There are... some sections in Pakistani society and elsewhere that suggest America disrespects Islam and its followers,” Biden told reporters. e said terrorism in Pakistan was a threat to both countries, and he referred to the killing of Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer, who was shot dead by his bodyguard over his outspoken opposition to the strict blasphemy law. “The confessed killer has been hailed a hero by religious conservatives. Societies that applaud such actions end up being consumed by those actions,” the US vice president remarked.
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Moral medievalism and the state
The origin of Pakistani statehood was not based on the acceptance of a plurality of opinions and identities. It was not based on the acceptance of the existence of multiple narratives of marginalisation. It was not an origin cognisant of the possibilities of its existence, creating and perpetuating further forms of exploitation and oppression. One speech in the English language to a constituent assembly of landlords and opportunists, it must be said, does not make a movement emancipatory.The origin of Pakistani statehood was based rather on the convoluted, albeit eloquent, articulation of the supremacy of the moral position of a particular religious identity over others. It is that logic, which has guided the statecraft of its unrepresentative office bearers, the uniformed guardians of the citadel of Islam, for over 60 years, with its results now laid bare in their entirety. It is that logic that has prevented any alternative, more inclusive narrative of public morality to take root in society’s ideational spheres.
It is this very logic of Pakistani statehood that the educated middle class, reeling from the contradictions of its perceived individual moral deficits, is now regurgitating in its support for the murderer Qadri. The supposedly benign nationalist narrative of this state’s origins has transmogrified in the information age into the rabidly exclusionary and xenophobic public morality that the educated middle classes, with their imbibed historical memory, now espouse with zeal.There is perhaps no better historical exemplification of this contemporary dilemma of our educated classes than Jinnah himself — Jinnah, the paragon of modernity and liberal mannerisms, and concurrently the purveyor of an exclusionary, religiously inspired collectivist narrative. Jinnah, the possessor of contradictions so profound, they remain unresolved six decades after his death.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg3_3
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Ashoka wrote:
AoA. What a glorious start to 2011, more in the offing.
The death toll in 2011’s first demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan at Bannu has climbed to 20:

12 cops among 20 killed in Bannu suicide car bombing
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Prem - is it possible to fix those links - very difficult to click and read...
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As expected, some Indian newspapers have begun to see merit in the cotton-onion swap deal.
Editorial in The Hindu
Our Cotton and Their Onions

India's reported willingness to relax its ceiling on cotton exports to accommodate the Pakistani demand for the commodity if Pakistan will permit the overland export of onions is a welcome development. The floods in Pakistan affected some portion of its cotton crop, and the country is now short of the commodity for its domestic textile and yarn industry, the mainstay of its fragile economy; heavy and unseasonal rains have caused an onion shortage in India, pushing its price up and out of reach of the ordinary pocket. Onions are in good supply in Pakistan; India's cotton harvest is better than in previous years. It takes nothing more than common sense to see that the two countries can alleviate each other's shortages. The Indian government's decision to restrict the export of cotton to 5.5 million bales in 2010-11 was taken keeping in view the demand of the domestic textile and yarn industry and the estimated production this year. There was no country-specific quota. But amid rising world prices and high demand, Indian traders evidently found it more advantageous to prioritise shipments to China and Indonesia, and the orders for one million bales from Pakistan went unheeded. Also, traders were given an extremely short calendar to register orders. A small upward revision by the Cotton Advisory Board in the projected cotton harvest has evidently enabled the Indian Commerce Ministry to consider raising the export ceiling as a reciprocal measure to Pakistan agreeing to exporting onions to India through the Wagah border. {The small upward revision in cotton harvest is conveniently made to enable cotton export so as to import onions. It is a political gimmick.}

The Pakistani government has frozen the trade on this route to keep domestic prices in check. It has allowed onions to be exported only by sea, but this long and expensive alternative defeats the purpose for which India wants Pakistani onions. Islamabad must consider New Delhi's proposal with an open mind. An agreement on this may not translate into a paradigm shift in India-Pakistan relations, but in these times of embittered relations, even a small step towards good neighbourliness can go some way in altering the mood of mutual hostility. {Mutual hostility ? Equal-equal only ?} It now appears that both the countries are tentatively preparing for another round of engagement in March, most likely between the Foreign Secretaries on the sidelines of the SAARC standing committee meeting at Thimpu. The Foreign Ministers may hold talks later in New Delhi, although the date for the meeting has not been decided yet. Cotton and onions are unlikely drivers of India-Pakistan diplomacy, but they could help smoothen the stage for the forthcoming rounds of talks.
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Err,
Where is the puke smiley when you need it hain ji?

Oh yes here it is:
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ramana wrote:Also isn't the onion crisis a fake one to enrich Pawar?
The onion crisis means better prices for Pawar's constituency and reduces support for the government in places (mosty MH) where Pawar is competing with Congress.
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg7_2
Reproducing in full:
Hafiz Saeed wants government to defend him in US court

LAHORE: Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, head of the banned Jamaatud Dawa, has moved the Lahore High Court seeking direction for the federal government to defend him, ISI chiefs and others before an American court which has issued summons for their appearance on a law suit filed by the relatives of US nationals killed in Mumbai attacks.

Petitioner’s counsel AK Dogar stated that Rabbi Gavriel Noah Holtzberg and his wife Rivka were killed in a terrorist attack at the Chhabad House in Mumbai. Their son Moshe, who survived in the attack along with other people, has moved a US court against his client Hafiz Saeed, Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, Azam Cheema and Sajid Majid as well as Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) former DG Nadeem Taj and current head Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha, ISI officials Major Iqbal and Major Samir Ali. He said the complainant accused them of providing material support for the November 26 attacks and demanded damages.

Dogar stated that Hafiz Saeed was the head of the Jamaatud Dawa, which was a charity organisation and has no link with the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba. The Pakistan government had detained him in 2009 and a full bench of the LHC ordered his release, he added. Dogar said, on December 16, his client was served with summons from a US district court calling up him and ISI’s former and present heads and officials in connection with Mumbai attacks case.

He said, on December 31, the Pakistan government announced to defend ISI head Lt Gen Pasha. Hafiz Saeed is also a Pakistani with the same rights as any other citizen, he maintained. He said in response to the summons, a reply had already been sent to the US court, rejecting the jurisdiction of American courts as international law did not allow exercise of jurisdiction over the person and property of other states. staff report
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 011_pg7_30
Punjab Assembly - poor attendance:
In the Punjab Assembly, the members come to the House and mark their attendance on the role call that entitles them to a daily allowance of Rs 2,350....

The Punjab Assembly has a unique history of its members’ attendance as you will find a few members in the House, sometimes less than one-tenth of the total membership, but the attendance roll will show you all present.

The same thing happened on Wednesday, when Acting Speaker Rana Mashhood started the day’s proceedings and less than 30 members, from across the political divide in the House, were present......The attendance register was brought to the House and it was noticed that 22 members were marked as present but they were not in the House.

...This practice is not new, but as members of the assembly insist on keeping their attendance record private so their reports are never made public, even their pay and benefits are not disclosed....

...Needless to say that the Punjab legislators are an exception in the whole world, as they staged a revolt against the checking procedure adopted by the chair and the law minister. They termed it as an attempt to disgrace their respect.
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vera_k wrote:
ramana wrote:Also isn't the onion crisis a fake one to enrich Pawar?
The onion crisis means better prices for Pawar's constituency and reduces support for the government in places (mosty MH) where Pawar is competing with Congress.
And the rest of the country can go to the dogs?

A lot of old politicos are certainly awaiting their comeuppance!

MMS included.
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Observing the lawyers - "who were leading this frenzy of joy at killing someone" - and the wishy-washy statements from the top leadership of the lawyers, Dr. Mohammad Taqi wrote:
I could not help but recall La Nausée. Jean Paul Sartre had accurately written: “The Nausea is not inside me…I am the one who is within it.”
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg3_2
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US patience on N.Waziristan wearing thin, warns Biden
http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/13/us-vice- ... talks.html
ISLAMABAD: Making it clear that the US patience was running out with Pakistan’s indecision on military action against militants’ hideouts in North Waziristan, Vice President Joe Biden unequivocally told his interlocutors here on Wednesday that the Americans would not wait indefinitely.Mr Biden, who was here on a day-long visit to Pakistan, held talks with both civilian and military leaders, mainly focused on the endgame in Afghanistan, the existence of militant sanctuaries in Pakistan’s tribal areas and the radicalisation of Pakistani society.
When he departed for Afghanistan, the White House announced: “The primary purpose of the trip is to assess progress towards the transition to Afghan-led security beginning this year.” But towards the conclusion of his trip the focus of American timeline had shifted to 2014.b]The vice president did not offer any new economic and security package to help shore up the beleaguered government. Sources said he only reiterated his pledge to redouble [/b]efforts to get the Reconstruction Opportunity Zones (RoZs) legislation adopted by the Congress and help increase Pak-US trade.
Mr Biden, on his second visit to Pakistan, was said to have come here “holding carrots and brandishing sticks”. Apart from the commitment on RoZs and trade the only carrot he carried was apparently an increased deference to Pakistan’s sensitivities. The few sticks he brandished in his private conversations with Pakistani leaders were also sensitively wrapped in diplomatic jargon.The importance that Mr Biden attached to his visit to the army headquarters was evident from the fact that he replied to most of the issues which General Kayani raised in a document he had given to President Obama on the sidelines of the last round of Strategic Dialogue held in Washington.
But sources insist that Mr Biden was very ‘focused, pointed and candid’ in his discussions urging the military leadership to give up its ambivalence on the operation in North Waziristan
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Seen on a google earth image at Kamra PAFB:

4 + 2 missile trucks with possible Ghauri Missiles.
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No Saudi transport planes visible in this image dated Feb 2010.
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Received the following in mail.
Here's to the Pakistani Port of Gwadar!

Still a Pipedream : A Pakistan-to-China rail corridor is not a substitute for maritime transport

The recent flurry of trade deals and MOUs (worth US$35 billion) signed during Premier Wen Jiabao’s recent visit to Pakistan have brought the possibility of a more robust Pakistan-to-China transport corridor back into the spotlight. The trade deals stand to drive increased economic activity by Chinese companies in Pakistan in coming years.

However, our assessment is that while the trade and investment agreements may help cement an “all weather” alliance between Beijing and Islamabad, they do not mean that an all weather transport corridor becomes viable. An expanded road and rail network linking Pakistan to China faces three key challenges. The bottom line is that maritime shipping routes will remain a cheaper, simpler, and more secure option for moving crude oil and other goods into China.

1) Security. The proposed transport corridor would go through areas that are subject to flooding and insurgent activity, as well as avalanches, landslides, and seismic activity in the Karakoram Range. If any of these disruptive events materializes, rail and road traffic cannot re-route around the trouble point the way that ships at sea can.

2) Capacity. A modern one-track rail line in the United States can currently handle around 16 trains per day, according to Cambridge Systematics. A Pakistan-to China rail corridor would likely be built with one track each way, but with reduced throughput of around 12 trains per day. U.S. freight trains carried an average of 2,800 tonnes of cargo in 2004, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. Trains transiting the Khunjerab Pass would likely carry smaller loads, perhaps 2,000 tonnes, due to the large vertical gradient. With these train frequency and load parameters, the corridor would be able to handle 8.75 million tonnes of cargo per year, or approximately 175,000 barrels of oil per day if all the trains carried oil.

To move the volumes that would be necessary to make this route able to handle enough cargo to reduce sea transport reliance measurably, there would need to be a rail setup with 3 or 4 lines. Furthermore, bringing that much cargo into Western China’s rail network and then having to move it into industrial areas in the central and eastern regions would likely necessitate additional capacity expansions of the national rail system. These investments would likely be cost-prohibitive.

3) High construction and transport costs. The tariffs needed to pay off the finance costs of the route and move freight over a 15,000 foot vertical relief would likely make the cost highly uncompetitive with sea routes. The roughly 2,000 km-long Qingzang railway to Lhasa, Tibet cost roughly US$4 billion to build (US$1.85 million per km). The cost per km to build a rail line connecting Islamabad and Kashgar could be several times more expensive to build given the tough geologic and political circumstances along the route.

In terms of transport costs, we estimate that moving a barrel of oil by sea to Shanghai at a ship rate of US$75,000 per day at 23 km per hour with a 2 million barrel cargo costs around US$0.90 per barrel, while moving it by barge upriver to the rapidly-growing inland demand center of Chongqing would cost an additional US$1.23 per barrel, for a total transport cost of US$2.22 per barrel (Exhibit 1). In contrast, moving oil from Ras al-Tanura to Gwadar and then by rail into the heartland of China would likely cost closer to US$8.00 to US$12.40 per barrel, making that route economically uncompetitive, as well as limited in capacity.[1]The disparity would be slightly greater for major cities on China’s east coast.

Exhibit 1: Estimated costs of moving oil to Chongqing, China from the Persian Gulf by sea and via Pakistan

U.S. Dollars per barrel


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Source: BNSF Railway, Bureau of Transportation Statistics, NBS, ND Petroleum Council, China SignPost™

In short, there are compelling reasons why sea transport has been dominant for so long. To even build a Pakistan-to-China rail corridor would require massive upfront investments, would be economically uncompetitive relative to sea routes, and due to the many physical and political risks along the route, commercial shippers would likely be highly reluctant to use it.

Andrew Erickson and Gabriel Collins,“Oversea Trumps Overland: The Strategic Trajectory of China’s Oil Imports,”

China SignPost™, No. 1 (May 26, 2010).

“China’s Oil Security Pipe Dream: The Reality, and Strategic Consequences, of Seaborne Imports,” Naval War College Review, Vol. 63, No. 2 (Spring 2010), pp. 88-111
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The Definition of Insanity

Nine years of engaging and bribing Pakistan haven't succeeded in getting Islamabad to reform its ways. So why does Biden think that this trip will produce different results?

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... f_insanity
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Letter from Karachi: The Violent Fallout of Pakistan’s Urban Bulge

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/node/67173
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what does Ganguly mean by

troubled region of Indian-controlled Kashmir
Even the BeeB doesn't use this term, they say "Indian-administered Kashmir". As an Indian American, I would have expected him to be more respectful and at least say "Indian Kashmir"
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This week in Enlightened & moderate society with silent majority where religious parties win only 0.00000001% of the vote:

Of the three mullahs who led Salman Taseer's funeral, one (Afzal Chishti) is in hiding with his family. Two others publicly regretted their actions and "re-embraced" Islam.

Afzal Chishti will be getting his 72 soon.
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26/11: JuD chief Hafiz Saeed wants Pak govt to defend him in US court

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 275523.cms
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What else can a Sarkari Damaad demand from his sasuraal hain ji?
Itne saal khila pila ke mota kisne kiya hai?
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Parents of Pak SC judge murdered
Lawyers and judges all over Pakistan have boycotted the court proceeding over the murder of the parents of Justice Javed Iqbal, a Supreme Court justice.

Mr. Iqbal's parents were apparently killed in an incident involving robbers in Lahore, but some suspect the murders might be linked to several high profile cases taken up by the justice.

They include, among others, one related to massive corruption in hiring accommodation for Haj pilgrims in Saudi Arabia and another on hundreds of missing persons held without charge by security and intelligence agencies

The senior judge has made critical remarks against the powerful intelligence agencies for abducting and detaining Pakistani citizens without charge or trail, and recently announced that 2011 would be the year for the recovery of missing persons.
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Clerics receive threats for conducting Taseer funeral prayers
http://www.zeenews.com/news680259.html

Taseer's assassin also guarded Zardari and Gilani: Report
http://www.zeenews.com/news680292.html
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Swami Aseemanand Seems to have written a letter to President Zardari?

It seems, he is willing to travel to Pakistan and meet Hafeez Syed of LeT?

All i can say "vinashe kaale viprid Buddhi" .
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main48.asp ... Muslim.asp
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Prem wrote:US patience on N.Waziristan wearing thin, warns Biden
http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/13/us-vice- ... talks.html
Question is when will it actually run out.
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menon s wrote:Swami Aseemanand Seems to have written a letter to President Zardari?

It seems, he is willing to travel to Pakistan and meet Hafeez Syed of LeT?

All i can say "vinashe kaale viprid Buddhi" .
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main48.asp ... Muslim.asp
Tehelka is a fifth column entity with an agenda.
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ISI hates MJ Akbar's new book on Pakistan
http://www.timesofbombay.com/?p=780
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Excerpts from MJ Akbar's book: TINDERBOX : PAST AND FUTURE OF PAKISTAN
http://www.mjakbar.org/book_chapter_tinderbox.htm
PAKISTAN: THE SIEGE WITHIN

Any crisis breeds Cassandras, and there are enough floating around on the wide world of the web, predicting the disintegration, or worse, of Pakistan. They, however, underestimate the determination of those Pakistanis who want to save their nation from Maududi-Zia Islamists. Urban Pakistan – what might be called Jinnah's Pakistan – proves a powerful counterweight to the fundamentalists, its will bolstered by domestic military muscle and America's dollar power.

The best-case scenario for Pakistan is that the 'Islamic-subaltern' revolt in impoverished areas is brought under control by the military, and elected governments appreciate that a real solution demands social and economic reform: land redistribution; high economic growth; Keynesian investments in low-skill jobs; secular, gender-equal education; health care and infrastructure, with democracy as a non-negotiable necessity, which in turn means that the 'doctrine of necessity', the judicial cover for coups, has to be eliminated.

There might be little hope for peace with India, given the fundamental divergence on Kashmir, but a settlement will help excise the jihad culture ravaging Pakistan. Altaf Hussain, the self-exiled, London-based leader of Muslims who had migrated from India at the time of partition, made headlines when he said, in 2009, that partition was a mistake because it had split and weakened the Muslims of the subcontinent. This was a rebellious, if not revolutionary, departure from the conventional Pakistani narrative that the two-nation theory was essential to save Indian Muslims and Islam from Hindus.

It is easier for India to come to terms with Pakistan. Economic growth and dreams of becoming a part of the first world have begun to dominate the Indian mind. Its middle class has begun to appreciate a simple reality: social violence and economic growth cannot co-exist. Remarkably, even terrorism, often exported from Pakistan, did not feed a backlash in the form of riots, even after the venomous terrorist attacks in Mumbai in 2008.

India is content being a status quo-ist power, determined to preserve its current geography, without serious claims on territory it believes it has lost to China along the Himalayas and to Pakistan in Kashmir. Peace is a logical extension of this position. There is a large and growing constituency in Pakistan that understands this. But unless Pakistan achieves clarity on terrorism, with all its snake-oil justifications, the subcontinent will remain hostage to malevolent mania...

Fears of Pakistan's disintegration, however, are highly exaggerated. Even pessimists like Pervez Hoodbhoy are more worried by the 'slow-burning fuse' of religious extremism rather than collapse. He recounts the surreptitious rehabilitation of the Taliban by Musharraf after it was devastated in 2001 because 'this force would remain important for maintaining Pakistani influence in Afghanistan – and keep the low-intensity war in Kashmir going.' Hoodbhoy bemoans that 'a sterile Saudi-style Wahabism is beginning to impact upon Pakistan's once-vibrant culture and society' and indulges a horror-scenario: a 'coup by radical Islamist officers who seize control of its nuclear weapons, making intervention by outside forces impossible. Jihad for liberating Kashmir is subsequently declared as Pakistan's highest priority and earlier policies for crossing the LoC are revived; Shias are expelled into Iran, and Hindus are forced into India; minorities in the Northern Areas flee Pashtun invaders; anti-Taliban forces such as the ethnic Muttahida Qaumi Movement and the Baluch nationalists are crushed by Islamists; and Sharia is declared across the country. Fortunately, this seems improbable – as long as the army stays together.'

When George Bush launched his second war in 2003, he surely missed the greatest paradox of his decision. He invaded Iraq to eliminate nuclear weapons, dictatorship and terrorists. In 2003, he would have found all three in Pakistan, including a champion proliferator in Dr A Q Khan, considered the father of Pakistan's nuclear programme. America has opted for the blind eye. When Richard Barlow, a CIA agent working in the directorate of intelligence on proliferation during Bush Senior's administration, protested that the Pentagon was manipulating intelligence to protect Pakistan's bomb project, he was sacked. Pakistan became a nuclear power with America's tacit consent and China's assistance, because both accepted its argument of self-defence against nuclear India.

For six decades, power in Pakistan has seesawed between military dictatorship and civilian rule. What happens when both the army and political parties lose their credibility? Will it be the turn, then, of Zia's 'lower rungs'?

Juan Cole makes an interesting observation in "Napoleon's Egypt: Invading the Middle East". There have been only four instances in the Middle East, if you include Afghanistan in the term, when Muslim clerics came to power: '...under the republican French in Egypt, under Khomeini and his successors in Iran, under the Taliban in Afghanistan and, with the victory of the United Iraqi Alliance in the Iraq elections of 30 January 2005 (led by the Shia cleric Adbul Aziz al-Hakim).' In other words, it is Western intervention that created the conditions for a clerical upsurge. We do not know what the American intervention in Afghanistan and Pakistan will leave behind.

Driven by the compulsions of an ideological strand in its DNA, damaged by the inadequacies of those who could have kept the nation loyal to Jinnah's dream of a secular Muslim-majority nation, Pakistan is in danger of turning into a toxic 'jelly state', a quivering country that will neither collapse nor stabilize.
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AoA. What a glorious start to 2011, more in the offing.
Going by the illustrious standards of Mesud. This is an underwhelming performance. The demonstration of the IEDlogy of Pakistan was not as strong as we have grown used to. :((
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In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the self-claimed safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, the slaughter by those who deem themselves purer Mohammadden's of those deemed as being less pure Mohammadden’s, is a common place affair.

A listing of such slaughter targeting places of worship, shrines, religious processions and gatherings in an article on a White Paper presented to the Parliament of the Islamic Republic by legislator Marvi Memon:
The paper reveals that the highest number of attacks, 22, was carried out in 2010, followed by 16 in 2009 and eight in 2008.

The most recent attack was carried out on Dec 16, 2010, killing a child and injuring 25 others, including eight women and three children, when militants threw a hand grenade at a Muharram mourning procession at Yadgar Chowk in Peshawar.

Major attacks in 2010:

November 5, Darra Adamkhel and Badabher, Juma congregation and Isha prayer gathering: Two separate attacks killed at least 68 and injured 70.

October 7, Karachi, shrine of Sufi saint Abdullah Shah Ghazi: Two suicide attacks killed nine and injured over 70.

September 1, Lahore, Shia procession marking Hazrat Ali’s martyrdom: Two suicide attacks killed 29 and injured 243.

July 1, Lahore, shrine of Sufi saint Data Ganj Baksh Hajveri: Three suicide bombings killed 45 and injured 175.

May 28, Lahore, Ahmadi places of worship at Garhi Shahu and Model Town: Gun-and-grenade attacks killed at least 93.

February 18, Khyber Agency, mosque in Akakhel area of Tirah valley: Suicide attack killed at least 30 persons and injured 110.

February 5, Karachi, procession marking Hazrat Imam Hussain’s chehlum: Twin blasts killed at least 25 and injured over 100.

Major attacks in 2009:

December 28, Karachi, Shia Ashura procession: Suicide bombing killed at least 30 and injured more than 63.

December 27, Muzaffarabad, Muharram procession near an imambargah: Suicide bombing killed at least 15 and injured over 100.

December 4, Rawalpindi, Juma congregation at Parade Lanes mosque: Terrorist attack killed 40, including 17 children, serving and retired Army officers and personnel, and injured over 86.

July 13, Mian Channu, village seminary: Bombing killed 11 persons, including six children.

June 5, Dir Upper, village mosque: Suicide bombing killed 49, including 12 children.
April 5, Chakwal, imambargah: Suicide bombing killed 24, including three children, and injured 140.

March 27, Khyber Agency, mosque at Peshawar Torkham highway: Suicide bombing killed 83 and injured over 100.

February 5, Dera Ghazi Khan, mosque: Suicide bombing killed at least 32 and injured 48.

Major attacks in 2008:

December 5, Peshawar, imambargah near Qisakhwani Bazaar: Car bombing killed at least 34 and injured more than 150.

September 10, Lower Dir, mosque in Maskanai: Gun-and-grenade attack killed at least 25 and injured 50.
From the Express Tribune:

Militancy: The downward spiral
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what does Ganguly mean by

troubled region of Indian-controlled Kashmir
Even the BeeB doesn't use this term, they say "Indian-administered Kashmir". As an Indian American, I would have expected him to be more respectful and at least say "Indian Kashmir"
What do you expect form those who are more loyal then the king in order to prove their liberalism.
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menon s wrote:Swami Aseemanand Seems to have written a letter to President Zardari?

It seems, he is willing to travel to Pakistan and meet Hafeez Syed of LeT?

All i can say "vinashe kaale viprid Buddhi" .
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main48.asp ... Muslim.asp
If he wishes to meet the good professor and wishes to engage him in a nice theocratic discussion.I am sure that the net result will be that he will be murdered by the LET as the good professor will not be able to engage as an equal to the Swami Aseemaanad.

The murder will be a boon to us in the country. Cause he will be the first martyr for the cause of Hindu Revival this century.

I say that this is a master stroke by the Swami, if the news is accurate. More power to him. Even though this will result in him getting killed by LET
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A_Gupta wrote:ISI hates MJ Akbar's new book on Pakistan
http://www.timesofbombay.com/?p=780
Not knowing about the nature of the site I thought from the headline that it was a genuine Indian news site. But reading the F@rticle, it was so seriously funny that it nearly brought tears to my eyes. :twisted: :rotfl:
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