Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2011

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Apr 2011 08:18

abhishek_sharma wrote:
For a country that likes to wear its beliefs on its sleeve, and for whom it is an article of faith that nobody can predict the future, the astrologers, tarot card readers, palmists, numerologists, even parrots, were all trotted out on television unabashedly.
I thought only Hindus were superstitious.

This is an interesting statement that frequently crossed my mind until I realized that the statement "Hindus are superstitious, Pakistanis/Muslims are not" was a lie propagated by the Jinnah/two-nation theory variant of sociology. Of course such attitudes were absorbed by Hindus by the process of fractal recursivity .

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Apr 2011 08:27

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.economist.com/node/18488344

Pakistani liberals have always taken comfort from the fundamentalists’ poor showing in elections and the tolerant, Sufi version of Islam traditionally prevalent in rural Pakistan.

This is where, IMHO, mistakes are made traditionally. There are many reasons for the poor showing of the fundamentalist right-wing politico-religious parties. JI has been ambivalent about taking part in elections. In fact, it was vehemently against that in the early stages for it felt that its mandate was different. Mawdudi was clear that he was only interested in the sovereignty of Allah and not in the western concept of democracy. It was the victory of JI in the Karachi Municipal Elections in c. 1958 that rattled the then President Maj. Gen. Iskander Mirza to announce Martial Law and later scuttle the very first General Elections scheduled for c. 1959. There were not many elections in Pakistan until c. 1971 anyway (except in East Pakistan whose dynamics were very different or an election to the Punjab Assembly or the municipal elections in Karachi etc.) Also, the voting in Pakistan follows the clannish biradari system or according to the advice of the Sufi sajjida nashin or by the advice, threat and manipulation of the 44-powerful-families and are often rigged by the Army. The Ahl-e-Hadith and Deobandi candidates may lose out therefore. That does not mean that people are not influenced by these extremist religious groups. Even the Government of the day does not dare to do something which is not to the liking of these extremists. That is the kind of hold that they have over the affairs of Pakistan. The point to note here is that while people would find it difficult to abandon their centuries-old Sufi customs and traditions (which the Ahl-e-Hadith, Deobandi, Wahhabi & Salafi streams are strenuously trying to do), they are positively influenced by the Islamist worldview of these extremists. That is why, while continuing to visit a dargah and carrying a chador or applying sandalwood paste etc., these people also subscribe to the idea of jihad against the kafir, to the idea of terrorism against the evil axis of Yahud-Hunud-Nasara etc. The observance of the Sufi traditions somehow and mistakenly dubs these people as tolerant. One has to remember that the great Islamist jihadists of the 17th, 18th & 19th centuries that India itself produced namely Sirhindi, Waliullah, and Berelvi belonged to the Naqshbandi order of Sufis. The revolution in Pakistan will be complete when Ahl-e-Hadith, Deobandi, Wahhabi & Salafi thoughts drive out the practice of Sufism without a trace.

and that the elite failed to notice. It may be that urbanisation and the growing influence of hard-line Wahhabi-style Islam have widened the gap between the liberal elite and the rest. “The Pakistani elites have lived in a kind of cocoon,” says Salman Raja, a Lahore lawyer. “They go to Aitchison College [in Lahore]. They go abroad to university…A lot of us are asking ourselves whether this country has changed while our backs were turned.”

That is once again taqiyyah. True, the elites have lived and continue to live in a cocoon as far as worldly pleasures and luxuries go. They have enjoyed the best that was on offer, but in religious matters especially against the kafir (and most especially against the Hindu kafir), they went by the exhortations of the right-wing religious parties. They sent funds for jihad, they volunteered themselves for jihad and terror, they helped in a myriad other ways such as by procuring material for jihad in western countries or by recruiting others or even penetrating the media and government in those countries to influence their actions in a way that suited the Islamists. In fact, mainstream schools and colleges in Pakistan are as much responsible for the jihadi mindset of the Pakistanis as probably the madrasseh. A team compromising doctors, psychologists, nurses and social scientists led by Dr Sohail Abbas carried out extensive interviews with 517 individuals who were at the time of research detained at the Haripur and Peshawar jails for crossing back into Pakistan without valid travel documents in the aftermath of 9/11. As many as 232 of these jihadis had, at the same time, attended a mainstream — and not madressah — school. Hamid Gul, one of the most suave extremist generals in the Pakistani Army, sent his two sons for jihad under the patronage of Jalaluddin Haqqani. The son of Farooq Kathwari, the CEO of Ethan Allen, died fighting as a mujahid in Kashmir (or Afghanistan, it is not clear). Or, Sikander Azam, the son of a former Deputy Director in the Ministry of Science & Technology in Pakistan. Or, the British-bred Omar Saeed Sheikh who studied at the LSE. Their families have been proud of their involvement. This burning desire comes from an interpretation of Islam itself and transcends education at Jamia Binoria or Aitchison College.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 Apr 2011 08:31

Sufi hunting starts in land of pure after WC is over.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Apr 2011 08:32

shiv wrote:This is an interesting statement that frequently crossed my mind until I realized that the statement "Hindus are superstitious, Pakistanis/Muslims are not" was a lie propagated by the Jinnah/two-nation theory variant of sociology. Of course such attitudes were absorbed by Hindus by the process of fractal recursivity .

You are right. I am sure this is going on since 1200 AD. I don't know how many Hindus absorbed it. People who read history surely know that it is a lie. Most Indians are just worried about daal-roti and don't have time for all this itihaas. The DIE class which reads Jawed Naqvi's columns is vulnerable to such calumnies.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 Apr 2011 08:55

During the immediate aftermath of the Iraq invasion, when Sunni terrorists were more powerful (this was to reverse later, after Shias got armed & trained by Iran), there was a profitable business going on. The Sunnis would bomb Shia mosques/massacre Shias, show the videos to wealthy Saudis and get money in return. Something of that sort seems to be happening in Pakistan. The frequent Ahmedi massacres, and Sufi mosque bombings look more and more like contract killing for money. There is definitely a monetary angle to this.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 04 Apr 2011 09:41

Anujan wrote:During the immediate aftermath of the Iraq invasion, when Sunni terrorists were more powerful (this was to reverse later, after Shias got armed & trained by Iran), there was a profitable business going on. The Sunnis would bomb Shia mosques/massacre Shias, show the videos to wealthy Saudis and get money in return. Something of that sort seems to be happening in Pakistan. The frequent Ahmedi massacres, and Sufi mosque bombings look more and more like contract killing for money. There is definitely a monetary angle to this.

The same thing is happening with EJ. We have seen audio records of Indian christians which the US evangelists play/hear it and then send money to Indians missionaries. It has become a scam with the Indians using all kinds of tricks to show that they being persecuted and church being burnt.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Apr 2011 09:50

SSridhar, Please blog the above post.
Thanks ramana

arnab · Post by **arnab** » 04 Apr 2011 10:13

SSridhar wrote:
Pakistani liberals have always taken comfort from the fundamentalists’ poor showing in elections and the tolerant, Sufi version of Islam traditionally prevalent in rural Pakistan
This is where, IMHO, mistakes are made traditionally.

I think one issue which needs to be laid to rest is this convenient slotting of groups into ‘Left’, ‘Right’ (Fundamentalist) and ‘Centrist’ parties. I’m not sure whether this is done deliberately by the western media or they have picked up this commentary from the RAPES but the net effect is this: It allows them to do an == wrt to India.

Most folks assume from the above reading that there is an absolute scale and you can slot the political parties of both the countries on this scale like PPP / INC ('left') and PML / BJP ('right' or BJP can conveniently be a ‘fundamentalist’ depending on which SOB is writing the article). So of course it becomes fashionable for ‘liberals’ to claim that - see both countries have fundamentalists and hence we need to fight this together!! Nothing of course is further than the truth. It would be nice if the western media could understand (assuming that they don’t) is that this scale is a relative one.

So the ruling PPP when superimposed on the Indian political spectrum would actually sit far to the right of even a party like Bajrang Dal. After all it was the PPP which started the ‘disinheritance’ of the Ahemedia community.

Once they realise this they would probably stop quoting that old chestnut of ‘fundamentalists’ never winning elections. As far as the civilized world is concerned – In Pakistan, the fundamentalists are in power.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Apr 2011 10:33

Someone, please, put them out of their misery.
http://pakteahouse.net/2011/04/04/z-a-b ... -to-sleep/

Quaid-e-Azam founded Pakistan and Z.A Bhutto Shaheed, ensured its independence till the end of this universe.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 04 Apr 2011 10:39

Sakhi sarwar to khoob hi sufiyan hai, wahabi dayan mare jaat hai...

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 04 Apr 2011 10:41

A_Gupta wrote:Someone, please, put them out of their misery.
http://pakteahouse.net/2011/04/04/z-a-b ... -to-sleep/
Quaid-e-Azam founded Pakistan and Z.A Bhutto Shaheed, ensured its independence till the end of this universe.

What he says is once Jinnah created this country and to survive till the end ZAB created the bomb.
Bomb in their mind is total protection and they will always exist. This fear of the artificial nature of their country is terrifying to them and they need to keep reminding of these

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 Apr 2011 10:49

Shahzad Chaudhry's gem: http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2011_pg3_2

The IT hubs of Bengaluru worked overtime to provide Tendulkar the escape in the Decision Referral System (DRS)

partha · Post by **partha** » 04 Apr 2011 10:53

^ ^
I agree 110%.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 04 Apr 2011 11:18

Why are the Pak fans ignoring the simple fact that their heroes fixed the match? Many IT hubs in Bengaluru have enough cash to buy Pak players. Or is there some secret protocol where the fixing is excused since the players are poor and needed the money.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 04 Apr 2011 11:21

Jaspreet,

>>If not a one-time payment then maybe a creation of a dependency...

I suppose what you mean, in other words, is the seeding of a sustainable economic interdependency and the cultivation of pro-India vested interest via business. This is of course part of our policy approach - which is why all the MFN and opening up of trade avenues, etc. But this, too, requires a decision on the part of their state managers - a fundamental decision - and will involve a commitment or an understanding at least that the national identity will be set on a different evolutionary path than it is now. Over and above that, it will also need to be a sustained commitment/understanding (neither seems likely).

Their reluctance to engage is clear, the MFN being just a case in point, and this is not based on "fear" of Indian military action - which people like Lisa Curtis and numerous others in the US/Britain articulate. Rather it is based on a reluctance to subsume the ethnic/sectarian dominance they enjoy into a more pluralistic (therefore less predictable they presume) socio-political environment where their unnatural advantages will be diluted. Trade with India will do that, new businessmen will emerge, new economic power centres will emerge - and the military (or the traditional elites) will almost certainly see their control slipping. The feudal mind. It would rather burn the property than allow the serf tenancy rights.

However, the vested interests are being cultivated and inculcated regardless via the re-export and other options.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Apr 2011 11:43

Indians not as large hearted as Pakistanis: Afridi

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 861946.cms

Days after winning the hearts of numerous Indian fans with his remarks after his team's loss in the World Cup semifinal, Pakistan cricket captain Shahid Afridi has said Indians are not as large-hearted as Pakistanis.

Afridi also slammed the Indian media for its "very negative approach" and said the Pakistani media was a "hundred times better" than its Indian counterpart.

"In my opinion, if I have to tell the truth, they (Indians) will never have hearts like Muslims and Pakistanis. I don't think they have the large and clean hearts that Allah has given us," Afridi said during a talk show on Samaa news channel when he was asked about relations between the two countries.

"It is a very difficult thing for us to live with them (Indians) or to have long-term relationship with them. Nothing will come out of talks. See how many times in the past 60 years we have had friendship and then how many times things have gone bad," he said as the audience in the TV channel's studio applauded him repeatedly.

"We don't want to fight with each other but a third country - everyone knows which one it is - is trying to spoil our relations. (This country) is taking advantage of Pakistan and wants to take advantage of India. I don't want to go into details but these people will not let us come together," he added.

Asked about the Indian media's coverage of the Pakistani team during the semifinal with India at Mohali on March 30, Afridi replied: "The Indian media has a very negative approach and very negative thoughts. The people may not be like that but I think the media had a very dirty role in spoiling relations between us and India.

"Our media, which is criticised by people, is hundred times better than theirs," he said.

India beat Pakistan in the semifinal, which was watched by the Prime Ministers of the two countries, who used cricket diplomacy to boost the peace process between the two sides.

Afridi also criticised Interior Minister Rehman Malik for warning the Pakistani team not to get involved in match-fixing and Indian cricketer Gautam Gambhir, who vowed to dedicate victory in the World Cup final to victims of the 2008 Mumbai attacks.

"I think they were both very stupid comments by Rehman Malik and Gautam Gambhir...I wasn't expecting this from Gautam...This is all politics, what do you know about who carried out the Bombay attacks?" he said.

The Mumbai attacks, which left 166 people dead, were carried out by Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba.

partha · Post by **partha** » 04 Apr 2011 12:06

If Paki players play in IPL, it will feed the narrative that Paki players have sold themselves to Yindoos. And every defeat will be linked to IPL money. That would be some fun.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 04 Apr 2011 12:37

4 killed, 8 hurt in Lower Dir explosion+

DIR: At least four persons were killed and eight injured in a powerful blast near Munad bus stop in Lower Dir, SAMAA reported Monday.
Sources said more casualties are feared.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 04 Apr 2011 12:58

abhishek_sharma wrote:Indians not as large hearted as Pakistanis: Afridi

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 861946.cms

"I think they were both very stupid comments by Rehman Malik and Gautam Gambhir...I wasn't expecting this from Gautam...This is all politics, what do you know about who carried out the Bombay attacks?" he said.
The Mumbai attacks, which left 166 people dead, were carried out by Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Two ways to look at this.
Either Afridi is a real smart guy and is trying to bring in some controversy and deflecting the focus off their loss to India.

Or he is a pansy! His team mate has this to say!

http://www.hindustantimes.com/I-was-110 ... 80098.aspx

"The wickets of Sehwag and Yuvraj were most memorable for me as they are very dangerous players of pace and spin," Riaz said.
"To get a chance to bow down to Allah on Indian soil was a big moment for me," he added.

The moment something comes back to them, the Pakis start a downhill Ski.

Oh and I think Afridi has blown his chances with the IPL.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Apr 2011 13:06

Neela wrote: Oh and I think Afridi has blown his chances with the IPL.

Let us hope so but don't hold your breath for it. There are enough WKKs (and other powers) working for them.

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/04/stories ... 451300.htm

Soon after the Indian cricket team won the World Cup, Pakistan Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani congratulated his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh and expressed the hope that the sports link between the two countries would be fully restored in the near future.

Ambassador Roemer Congratulates India, Pakistan on "Cricket Diplomacy"

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Apr 2011 13:15

Neela wrote:Oh and I think Afridi has blown his chances with the IPL.

After what happened in the last edition of IPL, Neela ? I agree with Abhishek that there are enough WKKs in every sphere in India who would seek to kiss, forget & forgive our neighbour. This is especially true today of the film personalities who see a lucrative market in Pakistan and want to protect it at all costs. And, the film world has started to grab the glamorous IPL.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Apr 2011 13:18

SSridhar wrote: This is especially true today of the film personalities who see a lucrative market in Pakistan and want to protect it at all costs. And, the film world has started to grab the glamorous IPL.

Remember Shahrukh Khan's statement that Paki players should have been selected? Also Salman Khan said that state actors were not involved in 26/11 on Paki TV.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 Apr 2011 13:30

Sahid Afridi was making a bahana that he needs 1-2 days to make up his mind weather to go on the WI tour.

I think he was expecting some people to lobby for him for the IPL this year.

Those 1-2 days are gone now, and the IPL is starting next week. Looks like his entry is not coming through.

partha · Post by **partha** » 04 Apr 2011 13:34

Gagan wrote:Sahid Afridi was making a bahana that he needs 1-2 days to make up his mind weather to go on the WI tour.

I think he was expecting some people to lobby for him for the IPL this year.

Those 1-2 days are gone now, and the IPL is starting next week. Looks like his entry is not coming through.

And he has agreed to tour WI.

chilarai · Post by **chilarai** » 04 Apr 2011 13:48

from indiancricketfans page

Yeah unlike puny Indian hearts that go dub dub dub, Pakistani's "explosive" hearts goes "tick, tick, boom!" ...maybe I am confusing with their explosive vest.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 04 Apr 2011 14:04

On the debris of defeat
The hallucinated pakistani was expecting shower of petals after 26/11.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 Apr 2011 14:19

partha wrote:
Gagan wrote:Sahid Afridi was making a bahana that he needs 1-2 days to make up his mind weather to go on the WI tour.

I think he was expecting some people to lobby for him for the IPL this year.

Those 1-2 days are gone now, and the IPL is starting next week. Looks like his entry is not coming through.
And he has agreed to tour WI.

Pakistan's Afridi ready to tour West Indies

Shahid Afridi has made himself available for the tour of West Indies after previously opting for a break. "Earlier I had decided to skip the tour because I wanted to take a well deserved rest from the game, but some former players and my family and friends told me to change my decision at this crucial time for Pakistan cricket,"

Pakistanis are too predictable.
AoA

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 Apr 2011 14:26

Another point to be noted,
Shahid Afridi for his selfish reasons (possible selection into IPL) was praising India when he went back home.

The ISI wallahs said, Teri aisi ki taisi. The media was promptly instructed to run stories on how hindus and Indians baited and bad mouthed pakistan.

Afridi was also probably 'spoken to' and he then changed his tune slightly to "These biased Indian media - they are the one's responsible for all the ills". Gradually he is coming down to his true levels and we are not far off from another "Hinduon ki zeheniyat" type gem from him.

Well on the positive side, him and his fellow momeen can spend some time in piss, and try to convert some west-indian to pak-islam.

Multatuli · Post by **Multatuli** » 04 Apr 2011 14:38

Partha wrote:

If Paki players play in IPL, it will feed the narrative that Paki players have sold themselves to Yindoos. And every defeat will be linked to IPL money. That would be some fun.

Partha, that is a good idea. What is not a good idea is to announce it like that in a forum. Share this idea with like minded individuals and carry out your intention, but why give the enemy a hint?

Sushupti wrote:

Sufi hunting starts in land of pure after WC is over.

The hunt was on long before that. It' based on ideology and packee frustration over the loss is hardly a factor for those who bomb Sufi shrines. Or do you think that talibs are cricket fans?

Anujan wrote:

During the immediate aftermath of the Iraq invasion, when Sunni terrorists were more powerful (this was to reverse later, after Shias got armed & trained by Iran), there was a profitable business going on. The Sunnis would bomb Shia mosques/massacre Shias, show the videos to wealthy Saudis and get money in return. Something of that sort seems to be happening in Pakistan. The frequent Ahmedi massacres, and Sufi mosque bombings look more and more like contract killing for money. There is definitely a monetary angle to this.

An accute observation. Should be expanded upon in a paper/article.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 04 Apr 2011 15:04

everytime paquis go to windies their coach goes wah-jibbi-al-kootal
i wonder what waqar is thinking now?!

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 04 Apr 2011 15:21

Gagan wrote:Sahid Afridi was making a bahana that he needs 1-2 days to make up his mind weather to go on the WI tour.
I think he was expecting some people to lobby for him for the IPL this year.
Those 1-2 days are gone now, and the IPL is starting next week. Looks like his entry is not coming through.

Fantastic analysis Gagan. Everything seems to validate your theory.

amit · Post by **amit** » 04 Apr 2011 15:57

Neela wrote:
Sahid Afridi was making a bahana that he needs 1-2 days to make up his mind weather to go on the WI tour.
I think he was expecting some people to lobby for him for the IPL this year.
Those 1-2 days are gone now, and the IPL is starting next week. Looks like his entry is not coming through.
Fantastic analysis Gagan. Everything seems to validate your theory.

The only franchise owner who would even remotely be interested in taking a Paki kricketer would be the WKK-afflicted owner of Kolkata Knight Riders (what did my home town do to deserve this?). However, do note who's the new captain of the Knight Riders! Surely he'd have some say!

Maybe that's why Afridi found Gati's statement to be "stupid"! AoA!

The danger is next season.

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 04 Apr 2011 16:06

http://thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=13442

Afghan refugees celebrated Indian victory over Al-Bakistan

While Peshawarites were in a state of shock due to the defeat of the national team the Afghan refugees were celebrating the Indian victory and opened aerial firing and took out rallies to celebrate the occasion.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Apr 2011 16:34

BBC

Pakistan blast 'kills five' at bus station

At least five people have been killed after a suicide bomber struck a bus station in north-west Pakistan.

The blast hit the small town of Jandool in Lower Dir, where Pakistani troops fought a major offensive against the Taliban two years ago.

A member of a government-backed peace committee, set up to mantain security after the offensive, was reported to have been killed in the blast.

Militants frequently launch attacks in districts close to the Afghan border.

But no group has said they carried out this attack yet. This is the sixth bombing in as many days in Pakistan.

Regional deputy inspector Qazi Jamil ur-Rehman told the AFP news agency: "It was a suicide attack. The bomber was on foot. We're investigating what the target was."

The wounded from the blast were taken to two nearby hospitals and authorities warned that the death toll could rise, Pakistan's APP news agency reported.

On Sunday dozens of people were killed when a Sufi Muslim shrine was attacked in central Punjab province.

Suicide attackers struck near the Sakhi Sarwar shrine in Punjab, as Sufi Muslim devotees gathered for an annual three-day festival.

Authorities said on Monday that the death toll had risen to 50.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Apr 2011 16:37

poetic justice - GG being KKR captain and its owner is SRK

btw Sreesanth sledged Mahela atleast once, after being smacked around, Mahela didnt reply but just hit him for more runs....and he is captain of Kochi and Sree a player

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 04 Apr 2011 16:41

[Self Deleted] Response to Singha's comment which is OT.

Lets not mix IPL and TSP

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Apr 2011 16:48

On why Pakistan's shrewdest politician, Fazl-ur-Rehman is being hunted

According to Taliban sources, the situation turned worse for Fazlur Rehman last year after he made an agreement with the Saudi Royal family to help arrest some Arab militants who were behind the attack on Saudi Deputy Interior Minister Prince Mohammed bin Nayef in August 2009.

Talking to rediff.com, a militant who did not want to be identified, said: "Fazlur Rehman brokered a deal with the royal family of Saudi Arabia and pledged to help arrest the wanted Arabs through militants loyal to him in the tribal belt. But the Taliban got wind of it and before Rehman's men did anything, the Arab militants were alerted."

After Fazlur Rehman's deal was exposed, he was warned to quit all form of politics, as he had maligned Islam through his dirty game.

"At the early stage, Taliban asked him leaving all form of politics; but some of his political workers convinced the Taliban to forgive the Maulana and promised that he would never do such an act again. As a test case Taliban asked that the Maulana to part ways with the Gilani government and thus JUI withdrew from the cabinet."

In December 2010, Fazlur Rehman pulled out his two ministers from the federal cabinet, but continued as the chairman of the Kashmir committee.

However, before the dust settled, the JUI leader once again did something that angered the Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"The Taliban noticed his 'doubtful' activities once again and this time decided to give him exemplary punishment. He has survived the two attacks but the Taliban are in no mood to spare him. No one would take responsibility, as he has some influence among the Taliban ranks," the source told rediff.com.

The hunter has become the hunted.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Apr 2011 17:04

Kudos to security forces for thwarting WC terror attack - B.Raman

The terror threat to the just-concluded cricket World Cup was thwarted, but this has only fuelled anti-India sentiments. Islamist extremists are bound to strike again and intelligent and security agencies cannot afford to relax, warns senior analyst B Raman.

The role played by the intelligence agencies of the United States and other countries in collecting whatever preventive intelligence they can and sharing it with their counterparts in the three countries needs to be acknowledged and applauded.{Did that include Pakistani agencies themselves ? After all, they should have been the ones to help in thwarting the attacks. If they had helped then it need not be taken as a turnaround of their policies because they have to go a very long way to prove that. If they didn't help, it would confirm what we already know about them. The arrest of a Maldivian was a damp squib and a drama enacted for three purposes. One, to give an award to the Paqui in the garb of an Interpol officer, Mr. Noble and get some money in return and two, was to possibly make the Indian security complacent and divert their attention. Thirdly, it was a Pakistani wish to generate some h&d and image}

How to keep the carefully-calibrated re-engagement process initiated by our prime minister moving forward without slackening our vigilance and determination to fight terrorists operating from Pakistani territory? That is a question to be constantly addressed by the political leadership and the security bureaucracy.

The proposed re-engagement is with the state and the secular civil society of Pakistan, but not with its jihadi civil society. {I respect Shri B. Raman for his knowledge of Pakistan; but, I do not believe that there is any secular society in Pakistan when it comes to India and the State is the implicit and explicit sponsor of terrorism directed against us. There is no civil society and a separate jihadi civil society; it's all one and the same.}

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 04 Apr 2011 17:15

Afridi also criticised Interior Minister Rehman Malik for warning the Pakistani team not to get involved in match-fixing and Indian cricketer Gautam Gambhir, who vowed to dedicate victory in the World Cup final to victims of the 2008 Mumbai attacks.

"I think they were both very stupid comments by Rehman Malik and Gautam Gambhir...I wasn't expecting this from Gautam...This is all politics, what do you know about who carried out the Bombay attacks?" he said.

That is correct. Being a bakistani Afridi will surely know more about those people who carried out the attack. Bl00dy bugger.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 04 Apr 2011 17:25

After their defeat in WC, large-hearted pakis get back to work first thing Monday morning. Blast in Lower Dir; eight killed
God is great! AoA.