Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 31 May 2011 10:03

abhishek_sharma wrote:Pakistan’s Road to China: Shahid Javed Burki

The whore is threatening Johns 1.5 that another John is making overtures.

And this joker used to be finance minister or something.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 10:14

The line that Pakistanis unite when India is about to attack is a myth.

1. The mango abduls are usually scared shitless, they come up with H&D covering false bravardo.
2. The TV channels get into mass hysteria mode, but notice that instead of claims of kicking the enemy's butt these guys are talking about giving up lives and sacrificing themselves - very instructive and point to be noted. They "KNOW" they are going to be made cannon fodder.
3. Their netas and politicians have for years planned for a post-pakistan exigency. They immediately go into a planning mode on what to do should India really attack, defeat the Pak Army. Everyone and his donkey knows that Bangladesh-II is completely possible, and no-one wants to be a loser.
4. The Pak fauj in its finest martial traditions, still is a force that collapses suddenly when it is sufficiently near the edge. They still are horribly under-equipped, and they just don't have the stamina for any battle more than a border skirmish. Nuclear blackmail and loud claims aside, I suspect that their nuclear weapons capability might not go off as they claim.

I suspect if war actually ever happens, the netas and part of the military there will actively subvert that nation. They will easily split along future sub-nationalities and rush to protect their stake in the future configurations. That is the way it has been with every single pseudo, cobbled-up nation, that is bordering on collapse and split, and that is the way it will be with pakistan eventually.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 May 2011 10:16

shiv wrote:
RajeshA wrote: All this issue that if India attacks the Pakis they would all close shoulders and unite against India, it is all bogus. The trick is to get everybody to kick Pakistan, especially Afghanistan, Iran and USA, so that when India kicks them, they will seethe only so much more in anger. The Pakistani Army should be shown as an organization, that can be easily bullied and bought. We should never allow them to save face, e.g. when Zulfikar implored Indira to return the lands captured by India for otherwise it would be a severe loss of face for Pakistan; then Indira should have taken the opportunity to show Pakistan for the losers that they are. Every opportunity should be taken to belittle their face and echandee!
Rajesh the story that Packees will unite during an Indian attack dates from the 1965 war when I am told that poor ickle Packeestan was sitting and minding its own business when India attacked all of Pakistan got united. The "dream of unity" in Pakistan is exemplified by a stories of 1965. The India that Ayub Khan said would run at the sound of ginfire "attacked Pakistan" and was supported by China in their tarrel and deepel fliendship.

I am starting to rethink the common thinking that we should let it stew in its juices and not give Pakistan a chance to unite after an Indian response due to terrorism, or LoC escalation. I think, we should start thinking in terms of "welcoming" each and every opportunity to give Pakistan a kick on its face.

Just as it has not behaved by conducting proxy wars, cross-border terrorism, jihadization of Kashmir, sheltering known terrorists, and carrying out terror attacks, similarly we should give two hoots about Pakistani so-virginity, and start covert and overt retaliation - at a low level. For example, after some LoC firing from them, we can bombard their positions to dust through high-precision artillery. At least 100-150 dead Pakistanis should get their 72 at the end of the day with huge amount of loss of face! Or when some Paki vessel tries to apprehend any of our fishermen, we simply sink the boat - another 50 Pakis dead - another slap across the face! Any military jet that ventures too close to the border or LoC can be brought down by our Air Force or some SAM. If we are lucky, the plane would drop in Indian territory, and the pilot too! We can trade the pilot for some terrorist! Again they lose face! As said, we should take each and every opportunity to push their face into a pig's fæces. After some terror attack on India, I've often spoken that we should go for a muscular response with Land for Terror. Off the military pitch too we should stop treating Pakistanis with any amount of respect as if they were some state, some country.

And that is only a sprinkling of the football games we should be playing with Paki echandee. This should be coordinated with some high level of action, that "non-state" Afghans and their friends in TTP can play with Pakistani Army. PNS Mehran was just one fine example, but the TTP can be coaxed to go further on the Abu Ghraib road with senior Pakistani Army officers.

And then there is the situation developing between the Americans and the Pakistanis. The Avenger looks good. There will be many more Operation Geronimos. There will be more exposure of Paki perfidy in US courts. There will be more lectures to them by American politicians. After all, the election is closing in.

We should also see to it that IMF starts showing the Pakis more often the middle finger, and dekho-no-money of Pakistan goes down the drain.

In fact, the domain of Paki H&D loss is infinite and we should contribute to it as much as we can.

Once the average Packee sees that their military cannot compensate him with the loss of pride he feels being a Pakistani due to the general deterioration in governance and economy in Pakistan and the status of Pakistanis around the world, he would be forced to dump the Pakistani Army as his personal ego-booster! As Pakistanis see it, an H&D loss to the Pakistani Army is an H&D loss to every Pakistani individual. If the Army's H&D loss becomes a regular thing, why should the Abdul associate himself with this kabila of "hijras".

At the moment India tries to give the Pakistanis some face-saving! That has to change!

shiv wrote:
Neela wrote:Now, does this not mean the TSP is already broken up? Are we expecting to see maps of new states to convince ourselves when in reality , incidents have already shown it has broken up and there are several new centres of power within the lands between western India and Afghanistan.
Ahh Precisely. But like a divorced couple whose marriage exists on paper - map-lines are drawn nowadays by the UN. That is why I have whined and howled time and again at the role of this artificial entity called the UN which serves the interests of a few powers by bestowing national boundaries that they want on other nations. If someone says a boundary is disputed - then the boundary is disputed. If US recognises no boundary dispute then al iz vel.

And this is related to RajeshA's post

The real problem is the unification of the US and China in trying to preserve Pakistan in the face of an Indian attack. Anyone may change borders but it is the UN that rejects or recognizes those changes and puts them on official maps that are drawn for schoolchildren. The US, its allies and China constitute 80% of the UNSC that does this type of bullschidt.

As Prem ji, so well put it, we should increase our national power along all axes. But that still does not solve the USA+PRC hold over the UNSC. I've speculated that we would soon get a chance to fix this. We should watch out for the collapse of national power in UK, and in fact speed it up where ever possible!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 10:19

There are certain things that are in the air, happening behind the scenes.
These things are happening out of the blue, all unprecedented
1. Pakistan planning to give MFN trade status to India! After vehemently opposing this for 2 decades or so, and that too this suddenly! What gives hain ji? MMS wasn't indulging in some path breaking trade talks that we've heard of.
2. They are seriously discussing Siachen, Sir Creek etc? Their ambassadors sound reasonable, and their TV shows are actually denouncing LET and that too openly!

I had imagined that this day would arrive, but not this suddenly.

I suspect this has to do with the-powers-that-be's future plans for Pakistan, and I suspect it isn't going to be pretty for them.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 12:22

This video was posted in the BENIS thread by anmol, and it shows a Mullah describing the "Pleasures" that a martyr will get once he meets his 72 virgins in Heaven.
The description of the carnal pleasures is very graphic, and it is advised to watch this video privately. It is NSFW/H.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHAo_1YRt64

Eye-popping, embarrassing to say the least, and the mullahs are really into fooling the rustic village bumpkins into jihad and suicide.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 12:25

Anyone want an english translation of the video? The video is in Urdu.

I remember there was a Lashkar -e-toiba poem that eulogized suicide bombers. SSridhar-ji had posted it several moons ago. That too was capable of 'inspiring' the indoctrinated young villagers.

Typically these guys have a mix of religion and carnal pleasures mixed in these inspirational videos and talks and they use this to fool the youth in Pakistan and in other countries. I wonder if any religious scholar ever objects to this in Pakistan or anywhere across the islamic world.

Is there any evidence that similar line of indoctrination was followed by other movements that favoured suicide bombings?

For example is there anyone who is aware of the indoctrination that the LTTE gave. They were supposedly adept at suicide attacks. Any one from Sri Lanka here, or would any one like to shed some more light here?

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 31 May 2011 12:41

Gagan wrote:This video was posted in the BENIS thread by anmol, and it shows a Mullah describing the "Pleasures" that a martyr will get once he meets his 72 virgins in Heaven.
The description of the carnal pleasures is very graphic, and it is advised to watch this video privately. It is NSFW/H.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHAo_1YRt64
Eye-popping, embarrassing to say the least, and the mullahs are really into fooling the rustic village bumpkins into jihad and suicide.

Supanallah , what a compelling HR personal !!
Must look out for wimmen wearing X-ray machines on their bodies

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 May 2011 12:46

The Mullah talks about the 70 layers of clothing the ~~whore~~, I mean hoor, would be wearing. But he doesn't say much about which company produces those textiles, whether they are made in China or elsewhere, or whether Allah Talla himself has a textile factory and whether he employs Pakis, Cheenis or Jinns there. No mention of whether the textiles are cotton, silk or synthetics. Neither the Mullah tells us anything about who is the designer! Is it some Lahori, who is still having to work after attaining jannat?

The mullah has also forgotten to talk about the wood, which went into making the bed. What wood was it? Who cut it? Who did the carpentry? Where did the carpenter do his apprenticeship? What wages does the carpenter get?

And what about the hoors? Are they Muslim women? How old are they? Can they still be virgins at that age? Did the virgins have parents or were they born in nameless eggs? Are the hoors organized in unions? Do they have labor rights? Or are they slaves? Have 72 of them all been waiting 16 years since their birth for the unwashed Abdul Paki to come up to jannat with his half-torn balls in hand to welcome him?

So many open questions! And the mango abdul is supposed to believe all this and go blow himself up with a grenade between his butt!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 31 May 2011 12:58

Article in Time about Saleem Shahzad who was goat napped by ISI
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... d=tweetbut

"We were informed through reliable interlocutors that he was detained by the ISI," says Hasan. Those interlocutors, he adds, had received direct confirmation from the agency that it was detaining Shahzad.

On Oct. 17, Shahzad had been summoned to the ISI's headquarters to discuss the contents of an article published the day before with two officials from the agency's media wing. That report, published in Asia Times Online, alleged that Pakistan had quietly released Afghan Taliban commander Mullah Baradar, Mullah Omar's deputy, to take part in talks through the Pakistan Army. According to the email, labeled "For future reference" and seen by TIME, one of the officials said the following words to Shahzad: "I must give you a favor. We have recently arrested a terrorist and recovered a lot of data, diaries and other material during the interrogation. The terrorist had a list with him. If I find your name in the list, I will certainly let you know." Incidentally, the two ISI officials present at the meeting, Rear Admiral Adnan Nawaz and Commodore Khalid Pervaiz, are both from the Navy. Pervaiz has just been appointed the new commander of the Karachi naval base that was attacked. {So the very high ups are also thugs}

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 13:00

Yeah SSS is still missing.
He has interviewed Ilias Kashmiri in the past.

Now either he has gone to interview some high up terrorist or he might end up like Daniel Pearl.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 13:08

Meanwhile, Hafiz Saeed is feeling the heat.

The Pakistani gober-ment has announced that they will not be defending him in the new york case against the 26/11 attacks where he is one of the defendants.
Point to be noted:
1. Since the case is in a US court, the usual Pakistani haramigiri that they do with India can't be applied in this case. They don't have the balls to display their pakistaniyat with massa.
2. Most likely this is Rehman Malik and Asif Ali Zardari ordering this under US pressure. The ISI will bear down on AA Zardari and he will downhill ski in time.
3. When that happens, AA Zardari will have proven to the US, the world and the pakistanis once more that the ISI and Hafiz Saeed and LET's relationship are very strong, and that the ISI is not willing to let any harm befall its pet terrorist group.
4. The days of the the LET caders who are not high enough or indispensable enough and are in the media limelight are numbered. When Zaki-ur-rehman Lakhvi was put in Adiala, and Hafiz Saeed was not arrested and got bail from the court, Zaki was howling loudly that he is being made the fall guy for 26/11. He was in a rather delicate mood to say the least. And the ISI chief had to go to Adiala Jail south of Rawalpindi, in person to meet him (and perhaps reassure him of all protection against India)
5. Weather the ISI, Pakistan's courts and their Jihadi Judges can protect these guys from the Americans, we will have to wait and see.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 31 May 2011 13:09

RajeshA wrote:The Mullah talks about the 70 layers of clothing the ~~whore~~, I mean hoor, would be wearing. But he doesn't say much about which company produces those textiles, whether they are made in China or elsewhere, or whether Allah Talla himself has a textile factory and whether he employs Pakis, Cheenis or Jinns there. No mention of whether the textiles are cotton, silk or synthetics. Neither the Mullah tells us anything about who is the designer! Is it some Lahori, who is still having to work after attaining jannat?

The mullah has also forgotten to talk about the wood, which went into making the bed. What wood was it? Who cut it? Who did the carpentry? Where did the carpenter do his apprenticeship? What wages does the carpenter get?

And what about the hoors? Are they Muslim women? How old are they? Can they still be virgins at that age? Did the virgins have parents or were they born in nameless eggs? Are the hoors organized in unions? Do they have labor rights? Or are they slaves? Have 72 of them all been waiting 16 years since their birth for the unwashed Abdul Paki to come up to jannat with his half-torn balls in hand to welcome him?

So many open questions! And the mango abdul is supposed to believe all this and go blow himself up with a grenade between his butt!

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 31 May 2011 13:11

and the mullahs are really into fooling the rustic village bumpkins into jihad and suicide.

Oh it's not the Mullah that's fooling/ brainwashing people. Go deeper. Always you'll end up in doctrine. Islam and Christianity have/ promise material heavens. In Indic/ Dharmic faiths our highest goal is Moksha..the detachment from material pleasures. Mullahs don't make this stuff out from nowhere. There are doctrinal precedents they are only following/ quoting/ preaching and interpreting for 1400 years.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 13:14

The mullah I think wants to say that the hoor will come with 70 sets of cloth.

Other wise if she's wearing all 70 sets all at once, the young suicide bomber will have trouble dealing with them before he gets to employ his newly acquired "strength of 100 men" that allah will bestow on him.

I wonder why the mullah didn't mention that the hoor will have blond hair (sunehre baal)? He does describe the hoor's eyes though.

And he describes the local women as dirty and dark!!!

Perhaps a reference that the hoors will be white.

There we go, these guys are angling for white wimmen, with blonde hair and green eyes, and 72 of them in heaven.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 31 May 2011 13:19

Apparently Mullen announced the Pakis are going to conduct a major operation in N Waziristan. Last time the talibs were disturbed, they set of a few in places like Peshawar and Lahore. Hopefully this time too they wont disappoint.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 31 May 2011 13:20

Somebody has done a good job

Ghazwa-e-Hind Zaid Hamid
This is the kind of psy ops which needs to spread
Semi imported allama really screwed Pak

Robert Pirsig: When one person suffers from a delusion it is called Insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion.

And this is what Einstein called "Mass Hysteria".

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 13:23

And that part about how the abdul has just about finished with one hoor, when another hoor, more pretty that the one "below him" (his words not mine) puts her hand on his shoulder.
So imagine the scene, where the abdul is involved with this one hoor, below him and another hoor more pretty than the "one below him" puts a hand on his shoulder and whispers "Honey, save some energy for me, look at me I am more prettier".

Priceless! I am sure that the audience had a massive collective premature mijjile phyrr.

Not only that, he assures the abduls that they can 'use' these hoors in 'whichever' way they choose.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 13:26

Why then, I wonder do the pakistanis search so much for doggie-sex, goat-sex, camel-sex hain ji?

Apparently the mullah's message is not filtering through to the internet surfing abduls. Good thing the mullah's message made it through to you tube, maybe we will see some effect on the ground in pakistan(more people wanting to meet their 72) and in cyberspace (less internet searches for camel-sex)

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 31 May 2011 13:27

Pakistan agrees to consensual rape

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 May 2011 13:35

Sajid Mir's war against the world - Praveen Swami
A must read.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 31 May 2011 13:36

NATO captures TTP leaders in Pakistan

http://www.presstv.com/detail/182492.html

US-led NATO forces have captured five Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leaders in Pakistan and taken them to Afghanistan without informing Pakistani officials.

how credible is the source ?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 31 May 2011 13:45

Anujan wrote:Article in Time about Saleem Shahzad who was goat napped by ISI
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... d=tweetbut

Check his face

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YoI4L8KrtQ

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 31 May 2011 14:02

Rajdeep wrote:NATO captures TTP leaders in Pakistan

http://www.presstv.com/detail/182492.html

US-led NATO forces have captured five Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leaders in Pakistan and taken them to Afghanistan without informing Pakistani officials.
how credible is the source ?

It is Iranian state media mouth piece. It is possible.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 31 May 2011 14:05

Shiv Aroor stated that this has happened twice now. Once, last week, and again yesterday. So much for Pak's sovereignity.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 31 May 2011 14:15

Defence secys fail to break Siachen ice

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 May 2011 14:37

abhishek_sharma wrote:Defence secys fail to break Siachen ice

I am against the AGPL and markings on the ground, and any iron-clad guarantee from Pakistan. Even Timbuctoo will not take a guarantee from Pakistan. Kargil is a well marked area and yet Pakistan claimed that it was not so. Pakistan remains a country which is slipping deeper and deeper into fraud, double-talk and mendacity to sustain itself because it is leaking everywhere otherwise. Why should we believe the words of this country ? Besides, the Siachen area is a tri-junction between India, China & Pakistan. With the influx of the PLA into PoK (which includes Gilgit-Baltistan), ceding of Indian J&K territories closer to Siachen to China by Pakistan, and even PLA troops being stationed close to the LoC recently, this is absolutely *not* the time to even have a discussion with Pakistan on Siachen. India must have used this opportunity to pose some hard questions on Chinese presence to the Pakistanis and should have refused to go any further unless they were withdrawn. That should have been used as a pretext to postpone these talks indefinitely.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 May 2011 14:44

shiv wrote:Folks the old TSP thread reached 72 pages in 3 weeks!

And that too when we have many different threads on Pakistan nowadays dealing with such esoteric and exotic ideas as Pakistan's economy etc. unlike the good ol' days when everything was discussed under one roof.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 31 May 2011 14:44

Pls someone translate that Urdu speaking mullah's description of the benefits of the 72. Much appreciated. The value if someone can transcribe that for youtube is immense.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 May 2011 14:46

abhishek_sharma wrote:Defence secys fail to break Siachen ice

Why the

Isnt it good that the TSPians did not get a free ride at the expense of Indians.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 May 2011 14:48

JE Menon wrote:Pls someone translate that Urdu speaking mullah's description of the benefits of the 72. Much appreciated. The value if someone can transcribe that for youtube is immense.

The translation is a secondery issue. Bliss to klear my konphujion onlee.........

Hasn't the mullah become Wajin ul kattal for making a vidio as per the definition of the Taliban.

If yes, then why has he not met his 72.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 31 May 2011 14:48

@SS

Thanks for your view which I never thought of and I now subscribe to.

But why postpone talks indefinitely. No chai biskoot

By keeping up a pretence of talks, a jolly good time can be had. It is time we stepped out of our mould. Having talks means we are serious and weak? NO!

Carry on talking. What do we lose, unles you have another perspective to it?

Like the Pakis have been "fighting" terror, we can claim we are "talking and serious about sincerely resolving differences."

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 31 May 2011 14:49

Pratyush wrote: Why the

It is for Pakis and WKKs.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 May 2011 14:50

^^

Ah......

It is klear now....

Let the TSP be a name remembered onlee in Jhanum...............

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 31 May 2011 14:52

abhishek_sharma wrote:Defence secys fail to break Siachen ice

Dus dat meen no ice phor my bhiskey dis ebening?

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 31 May 2011 14:57

>>{So the very high ups are also thugs}

The notion that the senior generals etc are liberal and think like their Western counterparts is absolute nonsense. None of this crap that is happening in Pakisatan could have happened without their guidance. And the names of former generals who have been hand in glove include the well known - Javid Nasir, Asad Durrani, Hamid Gul, Aslam Beg, Mahmood Ahmed, Brig. Ijaz Shah, Pervez Musharraf, Ashfaq Kayani, Nadeem Taj, Shuja Pasha - and these are just a few among the ones we know about. They all believe that using terror as an instrument of policy is a great idea. You can imagine how many 2nd tier officers will be following the same line, given the views of higher ups.

For all intents and purposes, they are all Islamist thugs. Only that some of them don't have beards, wear uniforms, and speak English - and most importantly are well versed in the Western social etiquette and idiom.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 31 May 2011 14:59

>>If yes, then why has he not met his 72.

Maybe because, given what I've seen of his description of the afterlife of a shaheed, he wants to. I mean, who wouldn't, especially if Allah says it and therefore it must be true?

The poor kids who go through this must be like putty in their hands, probably literally before they are sent towards the 72.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 May 2011 15:00

rajanb wrote:@SS

SNIP............

been "fighting" terror, we can claim we are "talking and serious about sincerely resolving differences."

IOW, talking about talks.........

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 31 May 2011 15:01

Can we keep benis lingo to that dhaga? It is kinda hard to read TSP thread with benis lingo.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 31 May 2011 15:04

amdavadi wrote:Can we keep benis lingo to that dhaga? It is kinda hard to read TSP thread with benis lingo.

Point taken Amdavadi.

The bright side is you now know who the BENIS lurkers are.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 15:31

Uneven Cohen's Farticle:
Kashmir conflict will last for 100 years, says Cohen

Stephen P. Cohen, author of 'The Idea of Pakistan' and a senior Fellow at the Brookings Institute in Washington, told the Pakistani newspaper Dawn: 'My prediction is that the India-Pakistan conflict, which includes Kashmir besides many other problems, will last for 100 years or even more.'

'I am very pessimistic about a solution between the two countries. They should cooperate over trade, for instance. Kashmir will eventually find its way (to a solution).

'The US should have only a silent role which should be limited to providing ideas and suggestions as we often do in the Middle East peace process.'

Cohen said he was writing a book about the India-Pakistan rivalry and that he would call it a 'hundred year old war'.

Cohen also felt that the Pakistani Army was more anti-American than anti-India.