sanjeevpunj wrote:I agree with that. Our judiciary is strong,but our democracy is not matured, our politicians are not matured,and we have almost everyone flouting power, when they get elected.
If by "strong" you mean that the Supreme Court is able to hold its own fort and has the ability and motivation to uphold the public interest, then I definitely agree with you. But beyond that the common public is literally scared of all the hassles of getting involved in a court case and this is one reason why small scale corruption is so rampant, because the common public finds the state of affairs of the judiciary highly discouraging when it comes to filing, fighting, and finally getting court cases resolved.
The day-to-day function of the court system is complete opposite of a "strong judicary image" where cases take years (if not decades) to resolve, there is massive pending case load, not enough courts, and those courts that exist are understaffed. As a result
Arjun wrote:
Is that cause for complete disenchantment with the system just yet?
Arjun ji, many of your views reflect my own and I will like to expand on this one in particular. There are definitely sections of society that have a lot to look forward to - specially the section that is direct beneficiary of the economic reforms. This section can afford to pay Rs 10,000 a month just for ensuring clean water and 24 hours electricity in their comfy high-rises with security guards. But if you look beyond this small minority, it really depends upon who you talk to regarding their level of disenchantment.
In short (I have said this earlier and will continue repeating it), we need comprehensive reform in governance in the country and certainly this "corruption issue" has propelled a lot of thinking around that.
harbans wrote:
1. That the problem of 'corruption' is one of definition, policy reform and rational law. Escapes them now.
You seem to be making a fundamental mistake between cause and effect. The cause is "public anger", the effect is government running scared and trying to get away with doing minimum possible to placate this public anger. Without something to push and motivate the government, this so called "policy reform and rational law" is not going to happen.
That is the only contention between your opinion and the opinion of other posters on this forum, IMHO. Personally though, I prefer a revolution followed by a witch hunt.
harbans wrote:
I hope this thread is preserved from 10 years from now. For those that challenged and argued against me and Somnath Ji here. Why 10 years? Is because things will become clearer to them, possibly at that time frame only.:
Sure, wait 10 years for each issue of bad governance to be resolved by paper pushing and do the math yourself as to how long it will take.
Arjun wrote:
However - First point to remember is that authoritarian and despotic systems of governance are absolutely not the solution..and bringing in comparison to Paki / Chinese forms of government is the easiest way to kill any hope of support you will get not only on this forum but anywhere in India.
As far as I know whether one prefers the word "ethics" or "dharma" (that's an issue because some would have an allergic reaction to word "dharma" for obvious reasons), the fact of the matter is that the ethics/dharma is the fundamental basis of law and policy making.
For example, the thing that I dislike most about authoritarian regimes (such as the Chinese model) is that their laws and policies are based on the fundamental principal that "humans don't have an ability to make right decision when given free choice" and need an autocratic structure to tell them to do what is needed. However, nothing could be further from the truth given that even in China "growth" is a result of devolving economic power in the hands of the people rather than concentrating power upwards.
This is a direct fundamental contradiction to the principals behind a democratic system.
Second point is that any system needs to be pro-growth and allow for flowering of India's natural entrepreneurship talent.
What can be cause for revolution is continued subversion of true liberal governance in India. And the aim of any such revolution would be to eliminate the corruption that goes against the spirit of liberalism in Indian democracy (such as continued dynasticism, money-power in elections, growth of exclusivist ideologies), and bring back true liberal governance.
Correct Sir
You are already laying the guiding principals for the next revolution