Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

James B · Post by **James B** » 02 Aug 2011 18:26

Buoyed by her India visit, Pakistan Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar on Monday was hopeful of getting the time-bound Pakistan-specific European Union (EU) package that New Delhi has been blocking for nearly a year now.

Briefing journalists here along with Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski, she said that after the bilateral visit to India, Pakistan was hopeful of getting that package. Following last year's devastating floods, the EU had offered trade concessions for a year to help Pakistan's textile industry tide over the difficulties caused by the deluge.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 02 Aug 2011 18:38

James B wrote:Hina hopeful of getting EU package

Buoyed by her India visit, Pakistan Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar on Monday was hopeful of getting the time-bound Pakistan-specific European Union (EU) package that New Delhi has been blocking for nearly a year now.

Briefing journalists here along with Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski, she said that after the bilateral visit to India, Pakistan was hopeful of getting that package. Following last year's devastating floods, the EU had offered trade concessions for a year to help Pakistan's textile industry tide over the difficulties caused by the deluge.

Hopefully we have done something that stupid

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 02 Aug 2011 18:41

You see the press was briefed not to focus on her agenda, rather focus on her outfit.Quietly someone compromised our stand against funding of TSP and she goes back with a EU Package in her kitty bag.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 02 Aug 2011 18:43

^^^^
Hopeful doesn't necessarily mean it is going to happen. Pakis tend to publicly announce their hopes as fact. Pakis were also hopeful that the Friends of Pakistan group would cover their debts, so they wouldn't have to go to the IMF. Look how that worked out for them.

saip · Post by **saip** » 02 Aug 2011 18:46

In the country sovereign ratings map, are my eyes playing tricks or India has two colors (I think Gujarat has a different color besides the usual other parts)?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 Aug 2011 18:46

Aditya_V wrote:
Briefing journalists here along with Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski, she said that after the bilateral visit to India, Pakistan was hopeful of getting that package.
Hopefully we have done something that stupid

All the donor countries are asking for normal relations with India before they want to engage India. India has put a strong lobby to have less engagement with any country which funds Pakistan.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 02 Aug 2011 18:59

saip wrote:In the country sovereign ratings map, are my eyes playing tricks or India has two colors (I think Gujarat has a different color besides the usual other parts)?

The Reuters map has used bubbles "decorate" the mape. On the map of India it causes Gujarat and J&K to seem to have a different colour. But that is due to bubbles used in background merging with the colour scheme of the map . It is nothing political. Sovereign ratings are calculated for countries and not for integral sub parts.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 02 Aug 2011 19:03

this one is for the pleasure of paklurkers

how cowards attacked and killed sheikh

Getting Bin Laden

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Aug 2011 19:09

ArmenT wrote:6% of the Chinese view themselves unfavorably, compared to only 3% of the Pakis!

Picture this scene. You are in your Mercedes SL500, stopped at a delayed traffic light. At this point you scan your medical report lying next to you, which is not too healthy or promising, and that gets you worried about your personal well-being. Too much high calorific food and all that. You feel bad about yourself, especially that last dinner. At that very moment, an unwashed and unshaven beggar presses his face against your driver side window, motioning to his mouth and stomach, making all the right hopeful signs for a handout. As soon as you roll down the window and offer him a few crumbs to make him go away, he gives a toothed smile and praises you as the next best thing to godliness (mai-baap or even better). He thinks the world of you, even runs his fingers along the car's bends and creases wondering why it is not his. Now, replace this scene with a Chinese and a paki (you know who is who in the fictional story above), and you have a real life setting.

Frankly, I am shocked that there are 3% amongst the pakis who view the Chinese unfavorably. That's a high count.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 02 Aug 2011 19:11

ANALYSIS-Pakistan relying too much on China against U.S.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Aug 2011 19:11

Brad Goodman wrote:this one is for the pleasure of paklurkers how cowards attacked and killed sheikh

Getting Bin Laden

Dont overlook the paki-American translator who was part of the backup team, patrolling the perimeter.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Aug 2011 19:13

The WKK brigade is also a manufactured opposition by GOI. IOW, the GOI lets some folks be WKK so they attract the attention of outsiders and thus contacts are channelled to known entities and not under the table or sub-rosa. Makes IB job easier.

As poet John Milton says in a different context

"They also serve who stand and stare!"

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 02 Aug 2011 19:17

anupmisra wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:this one is for the pleasure of paklurkers how cowards attacked and killed sheikh

Getting Bin Laden
Dont overlook the paki-American translator who was part of the backup team, patrolling the perimeter.

How can we overlook this...

A Pakistani-American translator, whom I will call Ahmed, and a dog named Cairo—a Belgian Malinois—were also aboard.

A Paki had to be mentioned along with the dog....the rest being human, need no special mention...

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 02 Aug 2011 19:54

Brad Goodman wrote:this one is for the pleasure of paklurkers how cowards attacked and killed sheikh

Getting Bin Laden

2 MH-60s
2 Chinooks
1 Osprey

all of them violated Paki virginity! This is gang rape no? Sharam sharam.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Aug 2011 20:09

cracking stuff by the SEALS. hope Arnie now returns to hollywood and spielberg, bruckheimer team up as producer with michael bay as director. shia lebouf can be the arabic translator and megan fox be one of the wives. jason statham can lead the 2nd team, and get the original crew of "Predator" as members...jesse ventura, carl weathers, the sullen black guy, "billy" .... for laughs have the pakis send a batallion to investigate and the hovering blackhawk and ground forces slap them around before they beat a shalwar shivering retreat.

two interesting points:
This was one of almost two thousand missions that have been conducted over the last couple of years, night after night.” He likened the routine of evening raids to “mowing the lawn.” On the night of May 1st alone, special-operations forces based in Afghanistan conducted twelve other missions;

so the pakis have been raped in their rear a couple 1000 times .. no wonder its so painless and smooth now

talk about a contractor sized barrel of vaseline and KY.

seals split into three man teams

if you recall our NSG operates in 2-man teams and Marcos in 3-man teams. since Marcos setup modelled on the seals, with some initial officers getting the seal course , perhaps thats the origin of their 3-man philosophy?

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 02 Aug 2011 20:17

CRamS wrote:NYT on indo Pakistan Talks
This is the state department speaking.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/opini ... r=1&src=tp
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh of India deserves huge credit for staying engaged despite Pakistan’s failure to prosecute those responsible for the 2008 horrors. And he deserves credit for not shooting first and asking questions later after the recent attacks.
This kind of condescension, oh you are a good boy despite the wrongs done to you by our all-lie TSP, is worse than Andrew Strauss complementing Dhoni for recalling Bell after the humiliating mauling India received at Lords and Trent Bridge . Sad part is those who are now praising WKKism as some kind of grandiose Chanakyan strategy and comparing India with USA/China, will actually celebrate this tripe.

sir with all due respects we cannot enter into an offensive war with pakistan. Much of our troops are held up in kashmir, our artillery is weak, and our weapons requisition programmes have delayed for n number of reasons, lets build that before we change our stance. After all diplomacy is calling a barking dog, sweet doggie sweet doggie , until you can find a stone. And thats exactly what our current administration is doing.

habal · Post by **habal** » 02 Aug 2011 21:00

MJ Akbar said this in an interview on a channel ETV Urdu.

"the idea of India is stronger than the state of India . . . the state of Pakistan is stronger than the idea of Pakistan"

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 Aug 2011 21:02

habal wrote:
"the idea of India is stronger than the state of India . . . the state of Pakistan is stronger than the idea of Pakistan"

India is an ancient civilization and the state of India is a recent one but has been undermined by the west right from the start.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 Aug 2011 21:06

neela, dont forget that the chinooks sat in a valley inside pakistan till they got the go-ahead for over 45 minutes. and note that they refuelled on the way back for atleast 25 mins - and then the osprey flew across entire baluchistan in broad daylight to the carrier. something tells me that quite a few jarnails, hair marshalls and hatmirals were shivering in their latex sensor suits whilst receiving stimulating inputs from washington (see L&M dhaga for meaning) that night and running into the morning

habal · Post by **habal** » 02 Aug 2011 21:10

Countries in India's neighbourhood such as Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh struggle with accomodating just two major communities. THe fascinating aspect about idea of India is its ability to support pluralism.

many entities studying India do not know what the extent and reach of India really is. They need to know that in order to target India. How can they counter an idea.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Aug 2011 21:43

the "dried river bed" where the chinooks sat was likely the helicopter base south of tarbela dam which socom already was using as a staging post.

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Aug 2011 21:50

shravan wrote:KARACHI: 10 killed on 1st day of Ramadan

The death toll in Karachi of Intra-Mohammadden violence on the first day of the month of Ramadan / Ramazan , a month held to be of holy significance by Mohammaddens, has now climbed to 34.

The citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan by their violent actions are doing very little to demonstrate to Non-Mohammaddens that Mohammaddenism is a religion of peace:

Karachi violence leaves 34 dead in single day

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 02 Aug 2011 22:01

These are the terrible consequences of a country that adopted democracy, embraced capitalism,encouraged dictatorship,spawned proxy armies around itself, now all of it keeps coming back home.Pakistan has suffered by its own acts.It didn't need an attack from India to drive this home that they are barking up the wrong tree since 1947.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 02 Aug 2011 22:03

CRamS wrote:
This kind of condescension, oh you are a good boy despite the wrongs done to you by our all-lie TSP, is worse than Andrew Strauss complementing Dhoni for recalling Bell after the humiliating mauling India received at Lords and Trent Bridge . Sad part is those who are now praising WKKism as some kind of grandiose Chanakyan strategy and comparing India with USA/China, will actually celebrate this tripe.

You are so predictable, it's not even funny! I was counting on you to bring cricket discussion to Paki thread.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 02 Aug 2011 22:09

Acharya wrote:
habal wrote:
"the idea of India is stronger than the state of India . . . the state of Pakistan is stronger than the idea of Pakistan"
India is an ancient civilization and the state of India is a recent one but has been undermined by the west right from the start.

The state of India may be recent, but the notion of nationhood of Mahabharata is close to as old as Indian civilization itself.

Anyway OT here.

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 02 Aug 2011 22:19

Cross posting from naval thread.

People have seen this yet ? Lying basta**s

[youtube]2RNkUf1PezM&feature=player_embedded#at=242[/youtube]

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 02 Aug 2011 22:22

Blessing by Dronacharya continues:

US missile strike kills four in North Waziristan

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 02 Aug 2011 22:23

shiv wrote:Allow me to use a vulgar analogy because it helps me express what I want to express. Imagine a nymphomaniac who offers herself to me. She tells me that I can do anything I want with her and that she is mine to use as I like, and that all she wants in return is a few things that I can easily supply her with - maybe a few cups of coffee and some knives for her to use. Now imagine that I comply with her request and actually start enjoying her company, giving her the little she wants. I even look away when she occasionally sleeps with someone else, and gets gifts from the other guy.

Taking this analogy, WKKs want to play with this nymphomaniac day in and day out and sell it as their accomplishment.

On the other hand the nationalists want to recognize the fact that the w*ore is nymphomaniac and inform their fellow family members so others will not for that nonsense.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 02 Aug 2011 22:30

Aditya_V wrote:
Sri wrote:
Pakistan scores lowest in speculative rating. Just tard above junk...
OT- But that Map shows why ratings are Bollocks, how does UK stan with GBP 1.4 Trillion and GBP 4 Trillion Debt get rated AAA, last I heard they have huge problems paying thier Government Debt and Interest Commitements?

OOT but per prophet-economist in e-con-o-money thread said it has to do with child mortality rates, health care coverage, calorie intake, religious tolerance, corruption perception index and so on...

Basically it means that if you look good, health, and wear a (sic) secular shirt then you will get AAA rating.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Aug 2011 22:32

Also those knives are being used to "bobbitize" the provider.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 02 Aug 2011 23:01

what do you call this
Senior al Qaeda leader attacks Pakistani state in bin Laden eulogy

A senior al Qaeda leader who is rumored to have been killed in a Predator airstrike in early June has appeared on a propaganda tape that eulogizes Osama bin Laden. On the videotape, Ustadh Ahmad Farooq, al Qaeda's media emir and head of "Islamic Propagation" for Pakistan, condemns the Pakistani state for betraying the terror group and allied organizations.

In today's tape, Farooq attacked Pakistan for betraying al Qaeda and allied groups such as the Afghan Taliban.

"Pakistani armed forces and its intelligence agencies have betrayed the Ummah, the religion and the global Jihadi movement," Farooq said.

He then went on to list several al Qaeda leaders who were captured and turned over to the US since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. Included are Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, "the great military commander and mastermind of September 11"; Sheikh Abu Zubaidah, "the great military commander and genius knight"; Ramzi bin al Shibh, "the distinguished military commander"; Abu Faraj al Libi, " the important leader, the unique military commander"; Sheikh Abu Mus'ab, "the great Mujahid, preacher, and intellectual of Sham"; and Aafia Siddiqui, "the chaste daughter of their own nation."

Farooq also noted that Pakistan has arrested Afghan Taliban leaders Mullah Abdus-Salam Zaeef, Ustadh Yasir, Mullah Abdul-Lateef Hakeemi, Mullah Baradar,
and Mullah Mansour Dadullah, "along with numerous other officials of the Islamic Emirate."

Farooq then said that the entire Pakistani military must be overthrown to end the detentions of jihadists.

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 03 Aug 2011 00:02

Chinmayanand wrote:ANALYSIS-Pakistan relying too much on China against U.S.

This is good, Pakis over-relying on China for everything. China likes to keep everything on a leash from their people to the foreign affairs. If TSP keep obsessing with China then it's more likely to end up like North Korea than Somalia. China will like to see a rabid anti-American / anti-Indian army in-charge in Pakistan , which has a firm hold over the nukes (Just like NK), it'll feed TSP weapons aplenty and suck out major concessions including what little money TSP has, PRC will keep TSP deliberately Isolated and covertly advertise it as a major threat to the world, one which can only be taken care of by China.

It's win-win for the Chinese all the way IF they can control a blow back in Xinjiang. Since, TSP is in denial , I don't see them giving up on terror anytime soon. We have a very imp. role to play here vis-a-vis increasing our military build up and pushing TSP closer and closer to PRC and hopefully away from the US of A. It'll be great fun to watch the circus of communists and purest believers.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 03 Aug 2011 03:10

SSridhar, others interested,

Do we know who is driving the chaos in Karachi? I'm hearing various combinations i.e. MQM vs. ANP, MQM vs. PPP, Altaf vs. Haqiqi etc. There's a view that TSPA is behind this to collapse the Zardari govt but that seems far fetched given the situation. I've lost track of things in the details.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Aug 2011 06:29

Its all of them.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Aug 2011 06:30

ramana wrote:Also those knives are being used to "bobbitize" the provider.

The modern day re-enactment of the Basmasura episode, hopefully.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Aug 2011 06:35

Rangudu, as Ramana says, it is all of them. I won't be surprised if AQAM has instigated the ongoing violence. It doesn't take much to start the fire there. TSPA's strategy is not quite clear to me. Today, PPP is close to the PA and TSPA has been receptive to the new warmth. I do not believe that TSPA is laying great store in Imran Khan to lead the country. TSPA is buffetted on all sides. I doubt if it has a clear strategy except to firefight by joining with whomsoever it can.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 03 Aug 2011 06:48

At dawn, bin Laden was loaded into the belly of a flip-wing V-22 Osprey, accompanied by a JSOC liaison officer and a security detail of military police. The Osprey flew south, destined for the deck of the U.S.S. Carl Vinson—a thousand-foot-long nuclear-powered aircraft carrier sailing in the Arabian Sea, off the Pakistani coast. The Americans, yet again, were about to traverse Pakistani airspace without permission. Some officials worried that the Pakistanis, stung by the humiliation of the unilateral raid in Abbottabad, might restrict the Osprey’s access. The airplane ultimately landed on the Vinson without incident.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011 ... z1TvUtyhrN

This clears several pages of discussion we had immediately after the raid. We were wondering how did they manage to reach USS Carl Vinson without trespassing Paki "sovereignty" again, well, there's the answer. It is a fascinating read into the preparation and minute details that goes into planning such operations.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 03 Aug 2011 06:50

SSridhar wrote:Rangudu, as Ramana says, it is all of them. I won't be surprised if AQAM has instigated the ongoing violence. It doesn't take much to start the fire there. TSPA's strategy is not quite clear to me. Today, PPP is close to the PA and TSPA has been receptive to the new warmth. I do not believe that TSPA is laying great store in Imran Khan to lead the country. TSPA is buffetted on all sides. I doubt if it has a clear strategy except to firefight by joining with whomsoever it can.

I suspect that imran khan occupies the same loony sort of political space in paki land that India's yuvraj does in India.

All bluster and no substance, long on rhetoric and extremely short on delivery.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Aug 2011 06:59

RamaY wrote: Taking this analogy, WKKs want to play with this nymphomaniac day in and day out and sell it as their accomplishment.

On the other hand the nationalists want to recognize the fact that the w*ore is nymphomaniac and inform their fellow family members so others will not for that nonsense.

Yes we are dealing with a nymphomaniac. The purpose of the analogy was to point out how the nationalists are botching a simple job and are the world's top self goal scorers.

Here is a nymphomaniac who readily sleeps with anyone. Not a slave. The slave will do anything. The nymphomaniac will only do what she enjoys and she will not do what she does not enjoy. That means that Pakistan is NOT under US control. She only sleeps with the US as long as she enjoys it. If "nationalists" insist on comparing India with the US and mocking Indians for not being attractive to the nymphomaniac they have no business being critical of WKKs. The WKKs are doing the same things as the USA. They are trying to please/praise/bribe the nymphomaniac so she will sleep with them. How come nationalists admire their USA so much while they are critical of WKKs? Both are attempting to please the nymphomaniac.

But I sometimes think that nationalists are losers because they can't see sense. They are only good at inviting ROTFL at themselves in their dour seriousness. India cannot and must not do what the USA and the WKKs are doing. Both are trying to please the nympho. Jumping up and down and howling that USA is right and WKK is wrong is a failure to see the obvious. This is called "nationalism"? LOL

This is brainless tripe. Not nationalism. That word is once again being raped.

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 03 Aug 2011 07:21

^^^ +400%

About time someone called it like it is.