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More reports:

Twin suicide blasts hit British Council offices in Kabul

Two large suicide explosions have rocked a British cultural centre in the Afghan capital Kabul on a public holiday marking Afghanistan's independence from Britain in 1919.
The explosions, claimed by the Taliban, struck at the British Council offices in Kabul and witnesses reported that heavy gunfire was ongoing inside the compound. A third blast was heard later, but its cause was unclear.

The British Council is an official organisation part-funded by London that promotes cultural relations in offices around the world.

The full extent of the casualty toll was not immediately clear but Kabul police spokesman Hashmat Stanikzai said initial reports indicated that three or four people were wounded. Kabul police later said that three people had died, but their nationalities have not been released.

Security officials said several attackers were holed up inside.

Several wounded were dragged from the compound including at least one Gurkha guard.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid claimed the militant group leading a 10-year insurgency in Afghanistan was responsible for the attack.

"Taliban mujahedeen stormed these two compounds and heavy fighting is going on with the Afghan police," he said.

"Today is our independence day from Britain. They recognised our independence 92 years ago - today's attack was marking that day.

"Now the British have invaded our country again and they will recognise our independence day again."
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Fahim is a Masood supporter. Could be Taliban getting ready for US drawdown.
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Nightwatch:

18 Aug 2011

Pakistan-Afghanistan: For the record. A senior unnamed Pakistani military officer said Pakistan can bring the anti-Kabul Haqqani militant syndicate to the negotiation table for peace in Afghanistan. The officer said a military assault on the Haqqani hideouts would spark a war in the entire tribal region of northwest Pakistan and that the Pakistan Army cannot win. However, the source said it remains unclear what incentives for peace Haqqani could be offered even if they agree to negotiate.


Comment: The statement about the Haqqanis is contradictory and self-serving for the Pakistan Army. It conveys no sense that the Haqqanis are willing to talk and no details that provide reassurance that the Pakistan Army can persuade them to do so, as it claims.

What it does evidence is that the Pakistan Army has channels of communication to one of the largest Afghan rebel fighting forces. The implication is that the Pakistan Army has a reliable relationship with the Haqqani family and syndicate in Waziristan.

Thus, in Afghan peace negotiations, the Haqqanis would act as a proxy for and communications channel to the Pakistan Army. Readers would be justified in concluding that the Pakistan Army has been a steady backer of the Haqqanis since US forces arrived in Afghanistan. That should surprise no one who has followed this problem seriously in the past 30 years.

Afghanistan: Two suicide terrorists attacked the UK Consulate in Kabul on 19 August, killing at least eight and injuring 10. Effective attacks of this nature inside Kabul are usually the work of the Haqqani syndicate.
More perfidy! Looks like TSP took a leaf from the English who used to be called Perfidious Albion by the French!

Its now "Perfidious Porcus!" = TSP
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Ahmed Rashid says the spate of high profile strikes on afghan eladers and this one today is because of controversial night special forces ops by the US.
He said there are between 8 to 12 per night targeting taleban commanders.

Hhe says that north has threatened to take up arms once the US leaves.
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US troops may stay in Afghanistan until 2024 -America and Afghanistan are close to signing a strategic pact which would allow thousands of United States troops to remain in the country until at least 2024
The agreement would allow not only military trainers to stay to build up the Afghan army and police, but also American special forces soldiers and air power to remain.

The prospect of such a deal has already been met with anger among Afghanistan’s neighbours including, publicly, Iran and, privately, Pakistan.

It also risks being rejected by the Taliban and derailing any attempt to coax them to the negotiating table, according to one senior member of Hamid Karzai’s peace council.

A withdrawal of American troops has already begun following an agreement to hand over security for the country to Kabul by the end of 2014.
and as per Abdul Hakim Mujahid, deputy leader of the peace council it appears that the Taliban are stepping up attacks because of this
But Afghans wary of being abandoned are keen to lock America into a longer partnership after the deadline. Many analysts also believe the American military would like to retain a presence close to Pakistan, Iran and China.
A complete withdrawal of foreign troops has been a precondition for any Taliban negotiations with Mr Karzai’s government and the deal would wreck the currently distant prospect of a negotiated peace, Mr Avetisyan said.

Abdul Hakim Mujahid, deputy leader of the peace council set up by Mr Karzai to seek a settlement, said he suspected the Taliban had intensified their insurgency in response to the prospect of the pact. “They want to put pressure on the world community and Afghan government,” he said.
worth reading in full
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -2024.html
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Published on Aug 21, 2011
By M K Bhadrakumar
Karzai capitulates to US pressure: Rediff Blogs
The Daily Telegraph disclosure on the advanced stage of negotiations over the strategic agreement between the United States and Afghanistan is on expected lines. Afghan President Hamid Karzai has been pushed into a corner by recent events and is bleeding from a thousand wounds inflicted from various quarters. {Author seems to well acquainted with the thousand cut strategy} He is left with no more stamina and is throwing in the towel as his recent muddle-headed formula to reconcile the contested parliamentary election results testifies. His salvation at a personal level lies in regaining US goodwill and he is caving in to the US pressure to sign on the dotted line agreeing to the stationing of US troops in Afghanistan on a long-term basis.

The DT says the agreement gives the timeline as 2024 but that’s how these things happen. Effectively, Karzai has conceded foreign occupation of his country on a permanent basis. {What foreign occupation. Afghanistan has for a long time been under foreign occupation. After the Soviets left, it was under Pakistani occupation. Would the author prefer Afghanistan reverts back to Pakistani occupation} Karzai is capitulating after beating war drums against the foreign presence for the past few years. He is left with no option and increasingly looks like a wounded hero from a Greek tragedy.

He has proven to be an ineffectual ruler and the government is ridden with corruption and lacks credibility. The recent Taliban attacks in Kandahar have knocked out his political base. His confrontation with the Afghan opposition has brought about a constitutional crisis. Now that the US drawdown has begun, Karzai comes face to face with the stark reality that the Afghan forces are a macabre joke and cannot assume responsibilities for security even for one month. Taliban continue to ignore him and his High Council for Peace and the result is that his reconciliation process with the Taliban has reached a dead-end. {Basically the author is taking the Pakistani rhetoric here. It will be difficult to differentiate an article from this author and say some front of the Pakistani Jihadi Army}

If Karzai signs an agreement on US occupation of Afghanistan, he will be entering himself and taking Afghanistan with him into a danger zone. Taliban will not recognise his deal with the US. {The author speaks for the Taliban} His position, including personal safety, may become untenable as time passes. {Is this guy threatening Karzai?} The Afghan opinion will certainly militate against the foreign military presence {Afghan Tajik opinion or Pakistan-backed Taliban opinion?} even if Karzai labels the American bases as Afghan bases. In fact, it is unrealistic that the US forces can share any tent with the Afghan soldiers as the latter can be easily infiltrated by the Taliban. {Considering how far between this infiltration has come to light, the Americans have been pretty successful. Besides it is mostly Pushtun, from against whom the Americans need to be cautious}

The US expectation that the Taliban would learn to live with the American occupation in their lust for power in Kabul is far-fetched and can only be seen as wishful thinking. Peace will continue to elude Afghanistan and Pakistan will continue to boil as long as US troops remain in the region. {If Pakistan boils, why is the author going into fits?} Barack Obama is doing a great disservice to the cause of regional peace and stability by allowing himself to be led by the Pentagon and his CIA hands.

The DT reports that the regional powers are bound to oppose the US military presence. This is only to be expected. The Russian ambassador in Kabul has already expressed strong views. {Yeah, and they still provide Americans with supply lines through the Northern Distribution Network. Why?} Pakistan, China and Iran’s opposition is well-known, too. Karzai is a keen observer of regional politics and should have factored in the regional opinion {Karzai's primary interest is Afghanistan. Why should he give a damn about the Pakistanis, Chinese or Iranians?} but he is putting personal interests upfront — his own political future.

The agreement with the US takes him all the way back to where he began in the winter of 2001 when out of the blue he was foisted as the head of the interim government of Afghanistan and the region had to figure out his locus standii — an American puppet. When history is written, he will stand out as a weak, malleable, indecisive figure who doesn’t have a mind of his own. {As if this author would have any part in writing that history!} The contrast with Iraq’s Nouri al-Maliki couldn’t be sharper. The US is literally begging al-Maliki for permission to keep their troops in Iraq for just one more year.

Equally, the ‘hidden agenda’ of the US invasion of Afghanistan can no longer be disowned. {So Pakistan, Iran, China, Russia, etc. are legitimate Great Game players, but US cannot play! What kind of logic is that?} Quite obviously, the US intends to plunge into the ‘great game’ in Central Asia. Read the Daily Telegraph report…
Has this guy even once tried to find out how this plays with Indian national interests? :roll:
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The 2024 news should be a surprise to only those who do not read BR or are clueless to begin with. US will not leave Afghanistan for the better part of most of our lifetime. Of course MKB a.k.a D.K.B cannot stomach anything that favors India or makes his Jihadi worship look bad. He is a lost cause.

I've said this for years, including in this post a year and half ago that:
The 2014 pullout will not happen because it cannot happen. Just wait and watch. After the next scare or God Forbid a real attack, there will be calls to double the troops in Afghanistan. Unkil cannot leave the area without cutting of most of the snakeheads.
TSPA cannot promise its jihadi assets that 'victory' in Afghanistan is near because they will never win. Yes, they can create endless troubles for Karzai and whoever succeeds him, but they cannot enjoy their 'success' because the moment they raise their heads somewhere - Reapers and Predators will ensure that it is their last day. Plus they can never be sure that they are safe in TSP because US Special Forces are just minutes away :)

In many ways, reducing its Afghan footprint actually frees up Unkil from TSPA's blackmail leverage. Now there is less logistics needed and a clearer mission scope. There is more likelihood of Abbottabad type "de-briefing" :D of TSPA and that is exactly what we want.
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MKB deserves the Hilaalae-bulaalae-khilaalae TSP award :-).
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Has this guy even once tried to find out how this plays with Indian national interests? :roll:
And guys like this and Mani Shankar Aiyar were diplomats representing our "best interests" in countries like TSP?

Doesn't the RAW/agencies do any sort of background check before recruiting $%@^ like these into the IFS?
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Rangudu wrote:The 2024 news should be a surprise to only those who do not read BR or are clueless to begin with.
True - although I expected that the US would leave Afghanistan apart from a few fortresses and sit in Pakistan instead. The decision to stay in Afghanistan could mean that the US sees staying in there as a safer bet. :mrgreen: Also I expect the US has got its logistics in order.

I was personally irritated at the idea of the US sitting in Pakistan and possibly licking Paki ass even more. But this news, if true, changes all that. I am cautiously optimistic.
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US sitting in Afghanistan means Pukes dream not onlee goes unrealized but also turn into nightmare. They will keep loosing their soldiers for the next 15-20 years , Afghans gets their Army,nationalism takes root among Poak Pathans, India gets the opeptunity to Quintuple its GDP, Chinese tentacles hit the Durand Wall , Shia Persia gets the Damocles Sword and Saudi enjoy Uncle's Abhay Daan. IF and when Uncle depart past 2024 , India ought to be ready to step in.
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Guys, please explain this TSP logic to me. On the one hand they whine about US leaving and abandoning TSP like they did after the Soviets. And on the other they whine about US not leaving Afganisthan. What does not abandoning TSP mean?

Is this news about 2024 really true? But if true, man oh man, TSP RAPE like jihadi lodhi who were salivating at the prosepct of Talibunnies returning to Kabul will be mighty heart broken.

BTW: I haven't heard much discussion of this on the US dork media. Michelle Bachman and Rick Perry dominate the airwaves.
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CRamS wrote:Guys, please explain this TSP logic to me. On the one hand they whine about US leaving and abandoning TSP like they did after the Soviets. And on the other they whine about US not leaving Afganisthan. What does not abandoning TSP mean?
They want the US to finance Pakistan, where Pakistan follows its own interests in Afghanistan and India, and then they want USA to kick India along with Pakistan and China! For them anti-American Jihadism in Pakistan is only to milk USA even more, telling USA that if they don't pay up, the anti-American Jihadis would become super anti-American Jihadis. That was supposed to be only a tool, and not a sticker on their butts inviting everybody to come and kick Pakistani butt! America sees it differently.

Besides the whore thinks that her butt is so enticing and seductive, no client can ever live without her, and ultimately ends up overestimating its pull or use!

Till now Pakistan thought that it could make a fool of USA, and milk it, but after the OBL hit, it knows its secret is out and any more penetration from the US is going to be not out of a desire of love-making but out of vengeance! So Pakis are scared. Pakistan is now extremely nervous of continuing the relationship, as other than a few words of praise in public, only incessant abuse awaits it. But USA is saying let's do more love-making, albeit with very cold eyes.

TSPA thinks it can outlast America in Afghanistan. But Pakistan has been paying for their Jihad through their bleeding nose, with their security situation going into a tailspin. Their hopes had risen when they thought USA would leave, and they can start calming down the TTP and Punjab Taliban fellas, and instead of daily killing in Pakistan they will see Pakistani flags in Kabul and Jihad can move on to Srinagar finally.

No such luck! Their open wound will continue to bleed!

America is soon going to be completely independent of Pakistanis, at least as far as supplies is concerned. After that there is going to be no more blackmailing. Pakistan loses all its cards. Also Pakistan will continue to be dependent on American monies. So they will continue to prostrate in front of America, even as they continue to wage war against America with their Haqqanis and Mullah Omars. So they will have to shake America's hands still. And if TSPA does that in the face of more drone attacks, then Pakistanis and their Army will continue to be targeted by the more pious!
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Philip wrote:More reports:

Twin suicide blasts hit British Council offices in Kabul

Two large suicide explosions have rocked a British cultural centre in the Afghan capital Kabul on a public holiday marking Afghanistan's independence from Britain in 1919.
The explosions, claimed by the Taliban, struck at the British Council offices in Kabul and witnesses reported that heavy gunfire was ongoing inside the compound. A third blast was heard later, but its cause was unclear.

The British Council is an official organisation part-funded by London that promotes cultural relations in offices around the world.

The full extent of the casualty toll was not immediately clear but Kabul police spokesman Hashmat Stanikzai said initial reports indicated that three or four people were wounded. Kabul police later said that three people had died, but their nationalities have not been released.

Security officials said several attackers were holed up inside.

Several wounded were dragged from the compound including at least one Gurkha guard.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid claimed the militant group leading a 10-year insurgency in Afghanistan was responsible for the attack.

"Taliban mujahedeen stormed these two compounds and heavy fighting is going on with the Afghan police," he said.

"Today is our independence day from Britain. They recognised our independence 92 years ago - today's attack was marking that day.

"Now the British have invaded our country again and they will recognise our independence day again."
An Afghan friend of mine visiting Kabul was rudely awoken up by those very blasts. He said he was pleasantly surprised and pleased by the professionalism of the Afghan forces who secured and cleared the area.
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Johann wrote: He said he was pleasantly surprised and pleased by the professionalism of the Afghan forces who secured and cleared the area.
And that is why the US sees a better bet staying in Afghanistan than Pakistan..

Oh the shame for you paklurks! :mrgreen:
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There's a huge range in the quality of the ANA battalions out there right now. I know from those who have worked with them that some of them are very good - while some of the others the men are happy to spend their duty hours smoking hash and flirting with each other. Kabul definitely has more of the good ones, and these kinds of attacks keep them tied down there.

Still the ANA is getting better, and Taliban is worried enough about the ANA and police that they kill mullahs who fail to preach against joining up....
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CIA recruits 1,500 from Mazar-e-Sharif to fight in Libya

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http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/31-Aug-2011/CIA-recruits-1500-from-MazareSharif-to-fight-in-Libya
By: Azhar Masood | Published: August 31, 2011

ISLAMABAD – The Central Intelligence Agency of the United States recruited over 1,500 men from Mazar-e-Sharif for fighting against the Qaddafi forces in Libya.

Sources told TheNation: “Most of the men have been recruited from Afghanistan. They are Uzbeks, Persians and Hazaras. According to the footage, these men attired in Uzbek-style of shalwar and Hazara-Uzbek Kurta were found fighting in Libyan cities.”

When Al-Jazeera reporter pointed it he was disallowed by the ‘rebels ‘to capture images.

Sources in Quetta said: “Some Uzbeks and Hazaras from Afghanistan were arrested in Balochistan for illegally traveling into Pakistan en route to Libya through Iran. Aljazeera’s report gave credence to this story. More than 60 Afghans, mainly children and teenagers, have been found dead after suffocating inside a shipping container in southwestern Pakistan in an apparent human smuggling attempt.


More than 100 illegal immigrants were discovered 20km from the border town of Quetta last week inside the container, which had been locked from the outside.

Aljazeera having dubious record gave human touch to this story as most of the men who intruded inside Pakistan from Afghanistan were recruits for Libyan Rebels’ Force.

The sources said: “The CIA funded Libyan Rebels with cash and weapons.” In a report the New York Mayor’s TV Channel Bloomberg said, “Leaders of the Libyan rebels’ Transitional National Council flew to Istanbul seeking legitimacy and money. They will leave with the official recognition of the US and 31 other nations. As for the cash, they will have to wait.

The decision to treat the council as the “legitimate governing authority” in Libya is a key step to freeing up some of the government’s frozen assets for rebels seeking the ouster of Muammar Qaddafi. Still, obstacles such as existing United Nations sanctions won’t disappear overnight.

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This article is just a part of the long story, which I will detail now:

All this was in preparation of plans to deploy troops in Afghanistan. But the entire plan was a failure for a number of reasons :

1) Iran accepted the plan initially, so we began to invest and develop the infrastructure.

2) The Ayni base was being developed at the same time, we extended the runway to 3200m and did other things.

So the plan was essentially to deploy troops in AFghanistan and support the security forces in AFghanistan, we had an air base in Ayni to use to provide air support to our troops.

3) Then plans changed - Iran came back and said they changed their mind. It is an issue of negotiation as well - people close to the negotiations say that in future, Iranians prefer to talk to their own kind - i.e. muslims/shia muslims - so this may be a future dynamic in our relations with Iran.

4) Russia forced Tajikistan to stop India from using the Ayni base. Why? Because they have an issue with India acting in their neighbourhood without the permission of the Kremlin. So, anything that they dont think about, they don't like us to move first without their consent.

So the whole thing is a disaster because of negotiations and because Russia doesn;t like anything they dont initiate.

The plan is still there in the future, and the reason why we did is so that we can use it for ops against PRC and also TSP.


India’s Central Asia Soft Power
September 03, 2011

India may not have got the airbase it planned in Tajikistan. But hospital and research initiatives offer a chance of influence – without upsetting Russia.
By Joshua Kucera

After its ambitious plans for an air base in Tajikistan were thwarted, India appears to be reorienting its military strategy in Central Asia toward a more modest, soft power approach.

India began renovating an airfield at Ayni, just outside Tajikistan’s capital of Dushanbe, in 2004. While it never publicly announced its intentions for the base, Indian press reports said New Delhi planned to station a squadron of MiG-29 fighter jets there. It would have been India’s first foreign military base, and a dramatic entrance into the geopolitically volatile Central Asian region.

Indian analysts have spoken about the base’s opening in grand terms. ‘Once called the white elephant of Asia, India’s strategic aspirations have now finally come of age,’ wrote Shiv Aroor, an Indian journalist who obtained classified information about India’s plans in 2007. ‘The country’s first military base in a foreign country will be declared ready for use next month…Bare minutes from Tajikistan’s border with war-torn Afghanistan, the base gives India a footprint for the first time ever in the region’s troubled history.’

In 2001, India set up a small field hospital in Farkhor, Tajikistan, just two kilometres from the border with Afghanistan, to treat the Northern Alliance fighters India was backing against the Pakistan-supported Taliban. But the US defeat of the Taliban obviated the need for that facility, and India was thought to be seeking a way to strategically balance Pakistan’s influence in Afghanistan.

Work by Indian engineers at Ayni continued at least through last year, and has included renovations of the airfield’s runways and hangars. India reportedly spent $70 million on the base. But at the end of last year, Tajikistan’s Foreign Minister Hamrokhon Zarifi announced that the country was negotiating with Russia – and no one else – over the use of the air base.

Tajikistan is heavily dependent on Russian aid, and its fragile economy is kept afloat by remittances from Tajik labour migrants in Russia. Moscow has used that as a form of leverage over Dushanbe, occasionally threatening to restrict visas for the labour migrants if it doesn’t get its way in Tajikistan. And it’s a widespread – though uncorroborated – belief in Tajikistan that Russia pressured the government to not allow India to use the base. Some believe that Tajikistan’s president, Emomali Rahmon, never intended to allow India to use the base but used New Delhi’s interest as a bargaining chip with Russia: Now that Russia is the only apparent candidate for Ayni, Rahmon is demanding that Russia, which uses other military bases in the country at no charge, start to pay rent on them.

And last month, when a top Indian Air Force officer, Air Marshal Kishen Kumar Nakhor, visited Dushanbe, Tajikistan foreign ministry officials said ahead of time that the issue of Ayni wouldn’t even be on the table.

Since that setback, though, India has shown signs of changing tack in its military outreach strategy in Central Asia. During Nakhor’s visit to Dushanbe, Tajikistan’s defence ministry announced that India would build and equip a hospital for Tajikistan’s military officers. And in July, Indian Defense Minister A.K. Antony visited neighbouring Kyrgyzstan and announced plans to open a joint high-altitude military research centre there, as well as an initiative to train Kyrgyzstani soldiers to serve in United Nations peacekeeping missions.

Those may seem like unimpressive efforts, especially compared with the prestige of a foreign airbase, and indeed they do seem to signal a reduction in ambition. But unlike the air base, they are likely to bear fruit. India, which has a long history of military ties with the Soviet Union and Russia, doesn’t set off the same alarm bells in the Kremlin as does the United States, whose military forays into Central Asia have been steadfastly opposed by Russia. But even so, the prospect of an Indian air base in what Russia considers to be its sphere of influence was a bridge too far.

Russia still wields considerable influence in Central Asian capitals and especially in the region’s militaries. But lower-profile initiatives like military hospitals and research centres will allow Indian military officers to build relationships with their Central Asian counterparts in a manner less threatening to Russia. This may not cause the same splash as an airbase, but in the long run, it’s more likely to be successful.
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Until India has bulldozed a route through Baluchistan and/or through Pok+Chitral to Afghanistan and Central Asia, any Indian deployment to the region would stupid and premature. There are two many stake-holders evolved with shifting dynamics, and we don't want to be caught up in such shifting sands.
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if Russia doesnt do the smart thing and let India lead, china will steal one by one their precious CAR satellite states. kazakhstan and turkmenistan for instance are rich in minerals and oil which china is already importing.

and then it will be too late for poor russians to salvage the situation, their new line of defence would somewhere north of azerbaijan as the entire CAR states and caspian & aral sea basin would be integrated into the chinese economy and tribute system.

waving a few n-weapons will only make the lizard do a rotflmao and wave around a megaton of manufactured goods and trade freebies in return :oops:

geopolitically russia is in a state of permanent decline into a modest continental power status, their time is over, they cannot even prevent NATO from setting up whatever they want right under their chair in the baltic states.

they need reliable and powerful friends and right now, I see India as the only one in the shortlist which interests in common areas.
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The truth of the matter is that we dont even have personnel in Ayni. We gave them a few Mi8's and thats about it. The only personell allowed in the Ayni base is Russian 201st division. US wants to stay in the region post 2014 pull out and they are looking to take over Ayni. Lots of politics involved.

However, we are training Afghan personel in other locations in Central Asia to keep our boys safe. India is doing a lot quietly. We don't like to make a huge fuss and draw attention to ourselves.

As for the whole episode - some who you ask - they will say the plan was a non starter from the beginning as RajeshA ji quite rightly pointed out. We have not dropped our plans for central asia though, its just that we have taken a lesson in Central asian diplomacy.
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RajeshA wrote:Until India has bulldozed a route through Baluchistan and/or through Pok+Chitral to Afghanistan and Central Asia, any Indian deployment to the region would stupid and premature. There are two many stake-holders evolved with shifting dynamics, and we don't want to be caught up in such shifting sands.
Yes that is the point. Both are of utmost interest to us. Another misadventure from PK should help us in POK+Chitral provided GOI doesn't develop wet feet
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For a country that has 32 sqns instead of the required 45 - I think a base in Ayni is an unrealistic dream. We have even pulled out our combat helos from Congo.
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foothold in Central Asia is all big talk without taking PoK first. India might continue to try to develop "influence" in CA, but as long as PoK is lost, all the efforts in CA are useless. we need a direct land connection and cutoff PRC. that is the only way we'll prove our "eligibility" to enter CA.
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Shiv ji, they were going to buy mig 29s just to be based out of Ayni.

Re: PoK. We could have done it in Kargil. However, Pak threatened to nuke the whole of kashmir/PoK if India attempted to do it.
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Taliban kidnap 30 boys
the captors were apparently allied with Maulvi Faqir Mohammad the Taliban commander who led insurgents in Pakistan’s Bajaur tribal agency until fleeing to Afghanistan last year. The 10 to 18-year-olds crossed from the Gharkhi area of Bajaur into Afghanistan’s eastern Kunar province on Thursday. The kidnappers’ demands were unknown and elders from the boys’ villages were trying to negotiate their return. Militants often target people from tribes who oppose them.

The eastern border has become a flashpoint between the two countries, with Afghan officials alleging hundreds of rockets, mortars and artillery shells have been fired into Afghan villages since May. Pakistan’s military has said only a few stray rounds may have crossed the border and complained that villages on its side have been the victim of Afghan-based Taliban violence.
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Iran willing to build Pakistan section of the gas pipeline: http://bit.ly/qbRWeM

This is not only to make project successfuk but also to stabilise balochistan.
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shyamd wrote:Shiv ji, they were going to buy mig 29s just to be based out of Ayni.

Re: PoK. We could have done it in Kargil. However, Pak threatened to nuke the whole of kashmir/PoK if India attempted to do it.
And india capitulated in spite of it's stated nuke-posture of complete annihilation of Pakistan?

It doesn't sound logical.
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shyamd wrote:Iran willing to build Pakistan section of the gas pipeline: http://bit.ly/qbRWeM

This is not only to make project successfuk but also to stabilise balochistan.
ShyamDji,

Any idea why the under sea pipeline is not pursued?
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RamaY wrote:
And india capitulated in spite of it's stated nuke-posture of complete annihilation of Pakistan?

It doesn't sound logical.
Was ABV's decision not to cross LoCs an act of weakness? Or did he see through the plan that the west and PRC to teach India a "historic lesson" by nuking us if nuke war started thereby saving many million lives and the future growth of our economy and allowing us to progress.

I'll let you decide whether it was an act of weakness.

Regarding your 2nd question, probably cost and pressure from the US. IPI is tied directly to nuke deal. Iran promised us shipments if the line was disrupted.
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shyamd ji,

Pak might have given that threat. but there was no way that PRC and US would intervene when Pak was the first one to use Nukes. if Pak ever goes to the extent of using Nukes first, US and PRC won't intervene. there are certain things the World System doesn't tolerate. one of them is: protecting a rogue nation which uses nukes and escalates a tactical scenario into wholesale destruction...
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Hmm wht if Kargil War was a bait for India to cross LoC and get trapped in PoK ? Wht if Ruskies too didn't support us in UNSC other than mere absentee thereby ensuring UN mandate for Unkil led force ( v r taking of 99 when Russia was at its bottom with PMs being appointed for a quarter if lucky there's no way Yeltsin could have stood Unkil's pressure ) now tht's wht the real nuke threat we faced as per someone's smoke filled head but its all in past so now to save our western neighbour's H&D & tht of Unkil for we all know why given so much water under the bridge since then .

As for TSP's bluff on nuking whole J&K had tht happened post nuke India control whole J&K with cleaning bill sent to Unkil bank but then let let's smoke our nuke threat cigars for many get their butter chicken & dal makhni solely from this threat in desh n videsh. Again TSP never threatened us on this Mushy was rite one among a few other things he was , do remember its Unkil's mouthpieces tht were telling TSPian missiles ready , there was no confirmation from our black coats .
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Deveshji, the evidence of washington and dragon's involvement is best left unsaid. When the full history gets released you'll realise how India was not at war with just Pak.

It also appears that you believe there is morality in international politics. I would have thought the Iraq war would have put that to rest.
Besides, they could easily nuke us using a nuke submarine, we would never identify the nation that nuked us... Who would you nuke back? PRC, US or Pak again?

Thankfully, ABV didn't gamble on a few ten's of million lives.
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Shyamd and satya, I can relax.
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satya ji,

could you please not abbreviate the common words. It is annoying for the eyes.

TIA
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 38878.html
India Consortium Bids for Afghan Mines
NEW DELHI – A consortium of seven Indian companies, including Steel Authority of India Ltd., NMDC Ltd. and JSW Steel Ltd. has bid to develop the Hajigak iron-ore mines in Afghanistan, India's largest steelmaker by local capacity said Tuesday.Indian steel companies are desperate to secure supplies of iron ore and coking coal as the cost of imported dry fuel continues to rise, while access to new reserves in India often involves litigation and delays in environmental and other regulatory clearances. Hajigak's iron-ore mines have an estimated reserve of 1.8 billion metric tons. The Indian consortium's bid was among six bids opened Tuesday by Afghanistan's federal mines ministry, which will shortlist the final bidder by Oct. 4. JSW Ispat Ltd., Monnet Ispat and Energy Ltd., Rashtriya Ispat Nigam Ltd. and Jindal Steel & Power Ltd. are the other members of the Indian consortium, in which SAIL holds a 20% stake. According to SAIL, U.S.-based ACATAC LLC, Iran's Behin-Sanate Diba and Gol-e-Gohar Iron Ore, Canada's Kilo Goldmines Ltd. and India's Corporate Ispat Alloys Ltd. are the other bidders for the deposits, which have four high-grade iron-ore mines. "With Afghanistan holding strategic interest for India, we hope that our endeavor to obtain mining licenses there will be a stepping stone towards the larger objective of contributing to the much-needed economic growth of the country," SAIL Chairman C.S. Verma said.
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India Consortium Bids for Afghan Mines
NEW DELHI – A consortium of seven Indian companies, including Steel Authority of India Ltd., NMDC Ltd. and JSW Steel Ltd. has bid to develop the Hajigak iron-ore mines in Afghanistan, India's largest steelmaker by local capacity said Tuesday.

Indian steel companies are desperate to secure supplies of iron ore and coking coal as the cost of imported dry fuel continues to rise, while access to new reserves in India often involves litigation and delays in environmental and other regulatory clearances.

Hajigak's iron-ore mines have an estimated reserve of 1.8 billion metric tons. The Indian consortium's bid was among six bids opened Tuesday by Afghanistan's federal mines ministry, which will shortlist the final bidder by Oct. 4.

JSW Ispat Ltd., Monnet Ispat and Energy Ltd., Rashtriya Ispat Nigam Ltd. and Jindal Steel & Power Ltd. are the other members of the Indian consortium, in which SAIL holds a 20% stake.

According to SAIL, U.S.-based ACATAC LLC, Iran's Behin-Sanate Diba and Gol-e-Gohar Iron Ore, Canada's Kilo Goldmines Ltd. and India's Corporate Ispat Alloys Ltd. are the other bidders for the deposits, which have four high-grade iron-ore mines.
if the bid works in favor of Indian companies, the logistics part without doubt would be the most interesting aspect.
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pgbhat wrote:India Consortium Bids for Afghan Mines
According to SAIL, U.S.-based ACATAC LLC, Iran's Behin-Sanate Diba and Gol-e-Gohar Iron Ore, Canada's Kilo Goldmines Ltd. and India's Corporate Ispat Alloys Ltd. are the other bidders for the deposits, which have four high-grade iron-ore mines.
I bet the Iranians will get the deal. Interesting that the Chinese did not bid, possibly because they are in favor of Iranians getting the deal as well.
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