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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2011 20:13 
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1 Para (SF) celebrates Raising Day

250 years and counting....


From the IE article wrote:
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Getting into 1 Para is voluntary. An army personnel opting for it has to undergo a three-month probation which decides the fate of the personnel in the Unit.
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There we go again with the 3 month probation. Can someone from Para(SF) unequivocally state officially what the probation period is? :evil:

No Old Monk for 3 months


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PostPosted: 27 Oct 2011 00:57 
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Gaur wrote:
Cross posting from Multimedia thread.


jimmy_moh wrote:

Its a must watch people. The program shows 1 Para SF in action at their home turf (Nahan).


PS: Take a look at the Sikh Soldier receiving award during Army Day 2011.
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I think he is the same Sub Major who was introduced to Ranbir Kapoor during his visit to the barracks.


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PostPosted: 27 Oct 2011 10:54 
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Guys, Jai Jawan at 2pm IST TODAY.....Ranbir Kapoor with 1 PARA(SF) in Nahan. Do watch NDTV Profit.


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PostPosted: 27 Oct 2011 10:56 
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OK. Let me raise the BP of Surya-ullah a bit - what is the badge below the Combat Divers badge, and above the medals, on his (SM sahab) left side?


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PostPosted: 27 Oct 2011 11:54 
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^ National Security Guard (?)


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PostPosted: 27 Oct 2011 12:01 
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PostPosted: 27 Oct 2011 12:07 
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The usual suspects... :mrgreen: :P :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: 27 Oct 2011 12:42 
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Cannot view the link since streaming media restricted at work. But guessing from Rohit's and Vaibhav's glee and Surya's reference, should be a SG/ SFF badge.


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PostPosted: 28 Oct 2011 09:20 
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SG badge onlee....same was on major Udai's pics in his website too ( The Mavericks).


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PostPosted: 28 Oct 2011 12:34 
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rohitvats, didn't you have enough fun with the Diwali crackers? :mrgreen:
sure to raise his BP :D


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PostPosted: 30 Oct 2011 20:18 
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Some more pics of Parachute Regiment:

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IIRC, he Brig M Kumar from 1 Para SF. His parent regiment is AMC (Army Medical Corps). He had para jumped at the age of 76 at the occasion of an AMC conference at AMC Centre, Lucknow.
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9 PARA SF:
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2 PARA SF:
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10 PARA SF:
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Inauguration of Para Repair wing:
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Yudh Abhyas 2010:
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PostPosted: 30 Oct 2011 23:55 
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OK. Let me raise the BP of Surya-ullah a bit - what is the badge below the Combat Divers badge, and above the medals, on his (SM sahab) left side?

Looks like jumpmaster wings, have they started handing out those now? Doesnt look like the NSG bagde


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OK. Let me raise the BP of Surya-ullah a bit - what is the badge below the Combat Divers badge, and above the medals, on his (SM sahab) left side?

Looks like jumpmaster wings, have they started handing out those now? Doesnt look like the NSG bagde


SG only.

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SG only. :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: 31 Oct 2011 17:25 
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Time to send rohit to Reeducation camp!!!!


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PostPosted: 31 Oct 2011 20:13 
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Rohit you are within sights!! :P


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err vaibhav

source for the picture else you too go to reeducation camp!!!


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PostPosted: 31 Oct 2011 22:13 
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^^7.62mm Galil sniper and Tadiran radios with combat load vest... makes me guess they are 31 RR(Cdo)

Note the ear plugs! Nice touch. Btw what is the shiny piece of metal on the left upper arm. Something on the dress itself or any projection nearby.

PS: Maybe he is Amar Singh! :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: 31 Oct 2011 22:46 
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Surya wrote:
err vaibhav

source for the picture else you too go to reeducation camp!!!


Surya Sir,

These are open-source only. 4 Para SF and 1st SFG joint training for Ex Vajra Prahar this Aug.

Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/specialfor ... 788196244/


These were kept 'Hush-Hush' for obvoius reasons!!


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Thanks vaibhav :)

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Btw what is the shiny piece of metal on the left upper arm. Something on the dress itself or any projection nearby.


It seems to be the blank round popping out onto his arm. Unless you are referring to something else :oops:


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 01:59 
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Marut wrote:
^^7.62mm Galil sniper and Tadiran radios with combat load vest... makes me guess they are 31 RR(Cdo)

Note the ear plugs! Nice touch. Btw what is the shiny piece of metal on the left upper arm. Something on the dress itself or any projection nearby.


Sweet...You identified the radio pretty well...it's the Tadiran PNR...It has a 1000m range IIRC...Our guys are getting pretty well equipment levels.


But then even the CNR has made its debut with infantry units. Can someone confirm this? @ Rohit any paanwala news...

Alas...Only if they change the sniper rifle.


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 02:02 
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Alas...Only if they change the sniper rifle.

Why, what's wrong with the Galil? Weren't these acquired not too long ago, along with the TAR-21s?


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Alas...Only if they change the sniper rifle.

Why, what's wrong with the Galil? Weren't these acquired not too long ago, along with the TAR-21s?



Well yes, Galil as a Marksman kind of a weapon with ~ 550-600m range and a larger magazine might work absolves itself in MOUT but it does not provide the kind of depth that is required of an SF Assault Team or even a squad.


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 10:05 
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Well yes, Galil as a Marksman kind of a weapon with ~ 550-600m range and a larger magazine might work absolves itself in MOUT but it does not provide the kind of depth that is required of an SF Assault Team or even a squad.

Well, Galil Sniper is a marksman rifle after all. So, what is wrong with that? :-? And for greater range, there is SVD. And if we go for even longer range snipers, their weight and size will be even larger. That would make them even more exclusive MOUT and hardly a suitable weapon for an assault team.
So, can you give an example of a Sniper rifle which you would rather have Para SF equipped with and why?


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Surya wrote:
Thanks vaibhav :)

Rohit goes to camp alone


My apologies Surya! The cat was already out of the bag so I thought I might as well contribute.

Best regards.


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aren't there some MSG in use as well or is that only for NSG ?


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nsg has both msg90 and psg1 I think.

per negi, this IA sniper is having a IMI Galatz
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Surya wrote:
Thanks vaibhav :)

Rohit goes to camp alone


:(( :(( :P :P


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 14:51 
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Gaur wrote:
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Well yes, Galil as a Marksman kind of a weapon with ~ 550-600m range and a larger magazine might work absolves itself in MOUT but it does not provide the kind of depth that is required of an SF Assault Team or even a squad.

Well, Galil Sniper is a marksman rifle after all. So, what is wrong with that? :-? And for greater range, there is SVD. And if we go for even longer range snipers, their weight and size will be even larger. That would make them even more exclusive MOUT and hardly a suitable weapon for an assault team.
So, can you give an example of a Sniper rifle which you would rather have Para SF equipped with and why?



Gaur, The primary issue is endless debate is the bolt vs semi auto one. Even if we concede The problem is that the SVD has been replaced with the Galil. You then you jump directly to a larger caliber sniper rifle. IMO A .338 Lapua Round Rifle can easily do this intermidiate range job.


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vaibhav, thanks for the source. Till date the only pics of our chaps with Galil has been the RR(Cdo) hence my guess.

Galil is good enough for the kind of engagements our forces are facing in COIN ops. You don't need higher range in the urban areas nor in the dense jungles & valleys where visibility/line of sight will be a big issue. The longer range engagements can be done using the Dragunov or the Mauser SP66.

MGG-90 & PSG-1 are excellent sniper rifles for the 600-800m range. But they are very very expensive and require some special care to maintain them. Hence only NSG which operates mostly in the built-up environment situations use it.

Btw, please explain CNR and MOUT. I'm lost on these two acronyms.


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Btw what is the shiny piece of metal on the left upper arm. Something on the dress itself or any projection nearby.


It seems to be the blank round popping out onto his arm. Unless you are referring to something else :oops:


I thought about it too, but the round (if it is a bullet casing) is being ejected on the left side. Normally the round is ejected from the right side only. Or does the Galil eject on the left side?


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 16:01 
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I thought about it too, but the round (if it is a bullet casing) is being ejected on the left side. Normally the round is ejected from the right side only. Or does the Galil eject on the left side?


The rifle has a bipod which allows a neat swivel, Im guessing the spent cartridge ricocheted off the wall and lodged itself on his sleeve.. I've always had to endure the super hot casings going down my shirt after ricocheting off the protective walls of my shooting lane :(


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Marut,

1. (MOUT) Military Operations on Urban Terrain or (FIBUA) Fighting In Built-up Areas.
2. (CNR) Combat Net Radio- What is unique to the Tadiran PNR is that they are full duplex, GPS and data transfer capability unlike traditional CNR's.

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I think the confusion with respect to the proper Sniper Rifle is because of the role envisaged.

This is what wiki says about DM:

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The DM role differs significantly from that of a specially trained sniper. A sniper is a specialist highly trained in fieldcraft who carries out a range of specific missions independent of others, and more specialized than standard infantry tasks. In contrast, a DM is a soldier who has received some additional marksmanship training. The DM's role is to provide an additional capability to the infantry platoon, which is the ability to engage targets at greater ranges than the other members of the squad or section.


And to fullfill the above role, the DM Rifle has to have certain specific features. Again, this is what Wiki says:

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A designated marksman rifle (DMR) is the weapon used by soldiers in the designated marksman role. The DM role fills the gap between a regular infantryman and a sniper and DMRs have been developed with this middle ground in mind.

These rifles have to be effective, in terms of accuracy and terminal ballistics, at ranges exceeding those of ordinary assault rifles (typically up to 500 metres / 550 yards) but do not require the extended range of a dedicated sniper rifle (typically up to 1,000 metres / 1,100 yards).

DMRs, however, often share some basic characteristics with sniper rifles in difference to the weapons carried by others in the DMs unit. DMRs may have an attached telescopic sight, quickly deployed stabilizing bipod to allow accuracy in temporarily fixed situations or an adjustable stock


So, I guess, the entire debate centres on one points - does an SF team have a DM and hence, rifle like Galil in the inventory? When it comes to SF, the phrase horses for courses is most appropriate. The SF mat well have rilfes like Galil and other more specialized Sniper Rifles and use them as the situation and task warrrants.


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The confusion between designated marksman and sniper is also due to the prevalent sniper rifle in IA being the Dragunov which is a DMR for all practical purposes. True blue sniper rifles like Mauser SP66 are few and far in between. Of course this could be due to the lack of any sniper program in the forces or the military doctrine doesn't envisage the need for such long range sniping! Anyways I'm not knocking on the SF for their choice of weapons, they are the operators and pros in this field and I'll defer to them.

Anyways for folks interested in sniper rifles, check this site out - http://www.snipercentral.com Pretty good resource on various rifles from an ex-US Army sniper.


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Delhi Police commandos have been equipped with Tavors. Saw a policeman a few days back standing near a DP Ambassador carrying the rifle.


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Galil ejects spent cases from the right side should be same for the sniper version too. Galil snipers are replacing SVD may be because former is lighter and more compact and in any case SVD was never a genuine sniper rifle. I think Mauser 66 , MSG90 and PSG1 are dedicated for that kind of role.


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From Livefist: http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/11/co ... arcos.html
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The photo above is of two Marine Commandos just off their inflatable at Rutland Island, Andaman. Lots more coming up. Stay tuned!


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^^^^

Should not these commandos be wearing goggles for protection from water


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