Check this blog discussion out on Col. Ajai Shukla's blog (BROADSWORD) on his relentless crusade against the MMRCA and for the JSF program.http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8726844009873922462&postID=7468797475848058112
If you scroll down to Col. Shukla's response on "1 November 2011 13:04" to some of the reader comments, you will read this:
Firstly… why do I not mention that India is engaged in a partnership with Russia to produce a “fifth generation” PAK-FA? Simple answer! The PAK-FA is not a fifth generation fighter, and will never be unless India funds every paisa of the Russian R&D that is needed to make it so. I happen to know a great deal about the PAK-FA programme. And you’ll have to wait to read about it, which I promise will happen soon.
And then, again, another comment from Col. Shukla on "2 November 2011 08:03" on his take on FGFA vs. J-20:
And for those who say that the FGFA will be superior to the J-20… I can only say that they must have a crystal ball that I don’t. None of us can say with any confidence that the FGFA will be superior to the J-20. And, looking at the trajectories of Russia on the one hand, and China on the other, I am willing to bet a magnum of champagne that the J-20 (regardless of where it is today) will be a superior product to the FGFA in the 2020s. The Russians simply don’t have the will any longer.
1. What exactly constitutes a 5th Gen fighter? Is there even a definition set in stone about these generation allocations?
2. All the gurus and enthusiasts on BR might want to throw some light on Col. Shukla's claims that PAK-FA is going to be a 4th Gen fighter by default!
3. How does China, a country that still uses Russian engines and radars in their current 4th generation projects, suddenly overtake Russia in 5th generation engine, avionics, weapons and stealth? (No matter how much is spent by China on R&D, theft and reverse engineering).
4. Who on BR is willing to side with Col. Shukla and bet their magnum of champaign that the J-20 will outclass our FGFA?
5. I am really looking forward to the Colonel's promised blog on the PAK-FA in the near future.
Whatever the case, Shuklaji just gave this thread a lot of fodder to ruminate on