Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 12 Nov 2011 21:41

More words of Wisdom from Mr. Tarek Fatah.
Good for him that he left the shit-hole along-with his family and moved to canuckistan, else he would have also been Qadri-fied for speaking the truth against the army whose motto is - "Iman. Taqwa. Jihad-fi-Sabilillah"

Coren & Fatah on islamic intolerance, Pak-style -

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 12 Nov 2011 22:08

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/optim ... -pm-149260

The Prime Minister Mr. Manmohan Singh, though, also struck a note of caution, saying that ties between India and Pakistan are "subject to accidents"

So Mumbai massacre was a accident? All the thousands of Indians who died because of terrorist attacks planned,supported and funded by Pakistan are accidents?
So,Mr. MMS, Let us all hope that your Children and Grandchildren in US do not die in an accident

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 12 Nov 2011 22:13

^^Wow, that was a great clip! Note how they speak of hindu nationalism being a cultural aspiration and hindu civilization being tolerant of other religions. None of that communal BS. Seems like slowly people are waking up. Kudos to Fatah.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 12 Nov 2011 22:35

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Cautioned for abusive language against PM - JE Menon

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 12 Nov 2011 22:38

http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/g ... f5f3b.html

Authorities in Pakistan say four intelligence officials have been killed during a raid on a militant hideout in the country's east.
An army officer says the militants were from Lashkar-e-Jangvi, an al-Qaida-allied group.

Reliable little birdie tells me that this is a pile of Pakistaniyat. The TFTAs were goatnapped and kept under custody by the more pious. They decided to make a run for it and were dispatched to get their 72. There was no raid.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 12 Nov 2011 22:56

^

country's east

is it Pakjab or Sindh?

edit: nevermind it is Pakjab.
http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/n ... 97717.html

Dawn News reported that the four intelligence officials had been kidnapped by militants and the operation was launched to free them. However, the militants shot them dead after the operation was launched,

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Nov 2011 00:01

By Ayesha Siddiqa
http://tribune.com.pk/story/290828/empire-by-stealth/

Any ordinary resident of Islamabad can’t miss noticing the rising Chinese presence in the capital city. In fact, Chinese have begun to appear in most Pakistani towns, which was never the case. The fact is, China is expanding and is now at our doorstep.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 13 Nov 2011 00:09

Altair wrote: So Mumbai massacre was a accident? All the thousands of Indians who died because of terrorist attacks planned,supported and funded by Pakistan are accidents?
So,Mr. MMS, Let us all hope that your Children and Grandchildren in US do not die in an accident

Tell you what, the Pakis know the weakness of Indians inside out, mostly because they were Indians once. In the recent summit, the Paki gang took all the honchos along, neatly dressed, mostly to enamor the world in believing even if they have come with a begging bowl, the world wouldn't be doing a favor, its only a temporary help! They exactly know the right people to massage and get their work done, their very own survival depends on it. As for India, no such compulsions, so this conceding to the Pakis and talk of brotherhood again and again. I believe its time Indian policy does away with this brotherhood, no brother is bigger than National interest.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 13 Nov 2011 00:13

Anujan wrote:By Ayesha Siddiqa
http://tribune.com.pk/story/290828/empire-by-stealth/

Any ordinary resident of Islamabad can’t miss noticing the rising Chinese presence in the capital city. In fact, Chinese have begun to appear in most Pakistani towns, which was never the case. The fact is, China is expanding and is now at our doorstep.

Oh, the day is near when the Chinese would take over the Paki land and send them packing to the deserts of Arabia, whose descendants they desperately want to become. From there, they would dream of their strategic depth for eternity and froth in the mouth as to how the whole world conspired against them, the purest of the pure.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 13 Nov 2011 01:10

Guys , can anyone tell me exactly how much aid(both military and civilian) has been provided by Americans to the Pakis since Pakistan came into being :?:It would be great if you can account for inflation also.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Nov 2011 01:12

Appendix of this document has "Known" aid to Pakistan (PDF)

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/166839.pdf

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 13 Nov 2011 01:56

Anujan wrote:Appendix of this document has "Known" aid to Pakistan (PDF)

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/166839.pdf

Thanks a lot buddy.This is precious.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 13 Nov 2011 02:13

Ivanev wrote:

Oh, the day is near when the Chinese would take over the Paki land and send them packing to the deserts of Arabia, whose descendants they desperately want to become. From there, they would dream of their strategic depth for eternity and froth in the mouth as to how the whole world conspired against them, the purest of the pure.

There might be another reason for expanding chinese presence near Islamabad and other towns.They would like to keep tabs on Pakistani nukes.Chinese know that whole world including India knows that China supplied nukes to Pakistan.It also knows in event of any nuclear confrontation between India and Pakistan, there is a huge chance that China will also be targeted by Indian nukes because of its past association.Hence it might feel responsible for the Pakistani nukes and that is why it wants to keep a close watch on the same.

The best part is that while Pakistanis are on alert against any Indian/American/Israeli attempt to neutralise their nukes , it might well be the Chinese who would actually disarm those nukes to save their own ass.Chinese would have the advantage that they are extremely integrated with the Pakistani Army and actually know the Pakistani nuclear systems and procedures.China might just play the role of the ultimate trojan horse.

Also remember Chinese have tremendous economic interests in India.Tens of thousands of Chinese workers are currently working in India and in any nuclear exchange they are likely to die as well.China would definitely not want this to happen(loss of both their citizens as well as economic benefits).

Paklurks you and your ilk are truly screwed .

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 Nov 2011 02:56

Guys,

Watch these 2 videos and hang your head in shame

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Pakistan- ... 388643.cms

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Pakistan- ... 388644.cms

partha · Post by **partha** » 13 Nov 2011 07:01

B Raman on Indian media's fixation with Imran Khan and total neglect of Balochistan -

Indian TV journos have generally been very kind to Imran Khan, the cricketer turned politician of Pakistan. He has received more publicity from Indian TV journos than even from Pakistani journalists.

2. I have no personal objections to Indian TV journos having a soft corner for the glamorous Imran Khan. But, I do expect them to pay equal attention to those sections of Pakistani society, which have generally been well disposed towards India such as the Mohajirs of Karachi and the Balochs of Balochistan and their leaders. Their leaders are not as glamorous as Imran, but they are much more friendly to India than Imran.

3. How many times have you seen the Indian TV channels focussing on the tragedies being enacted in Karachi and Balochistan? How many times have you seen Indian TV journos focussing their spotlight on bleeding Balochistan? How many Mohajir and Baloch leaders have been interviewed by them?

4. While Indian TV journos have been enabling Imran to promote himself through the Indian TV, which is widely seen in Pakistan, as the next Prime Minister of Pakistan, at least some Pakistani journalists, whose heart and mind are in the right place, have drawn attention to the state of affairs in Balochistan, where the situation is reminiscent of that in the then East Pakistan before the war of Independence for Bangladesh broke out in 1971.

5.Baloch nationalists kidnapped by the Pakistan Army, tortured to death and their bodies thrown out in remote places, 10 Baloch journalists kidnapped and killed this year and no coverage of these incidents in the Pakistani TV media. Nor on the Indian TV. Only some sections of the Pakistani print media such as the “Daily Times” of Lahore and the “News” have been drawing attention to the colossal human tragedy in Balochistan.

6. One can understand the Pakistani TV channels not paying adequate attention to this tragedy due to fear of adverse reaction from the Pakistani Army. What is preventing the Indian TV channels from covering this tragedy? Is publicity for Imran Khan more important than spotlight on the human tragedy in Balochistan?

7. To create an awareness of the situation in Balochistan, which has been practically blacked out by the Indian TV channels, I am reproducing below an editorial of the “Daily Times” and an article written by an Assistant Editor of the “News”:

He makes good points. How many times have we seen detailed reports on Balochistan?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Nov 2011 07:07

Pak army wants peace too, says PM

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Nov 2011 07:22

The Pakistan army is welcoming the Chinese to come and stay in their country. I think that is good. For me it raises some interesting pisko questions. Pakistanis, by being welcoming and hospitable towards Americans and other goras were able to hoodwink them, tie them up in a mess of "obligation" where they gave money and got respect in return.

In many ways I believe that the Pakistanis were able to show themselves as being like Americans. Pakistan still had its own "wild west" with people on horses with guns. Pakistanis were able to charm Americans with good food and a bevy of servants making the human attention starved yank feel like a British viceroy. The Pakis had, just like Americas. "tamed" Indians. Their military had all the martial values that the American military looked for.

The question to me is that what Pakis can do to beguile an already wily eartern people such as the Chinese. The Chinese are unlikely to fall for "good food" any more than they would fall for any other specialist cuisine such as Italian. To me the Chinese are looking for profit and the good life. The Chinese enjoy ***** and sex and fun and games. They can stay without pork for months on end if need be. But ultimately Pakistanis will have to keep the Chinese in gated, private communities for the later to have the food and fun that they want. And the guards for those communities will not consist of jernail's sons. They will be Qadris. Or more likely Chinese military guards will be used.

That should set up an interesting dynamic in Pakistan..

I will watch with anticipation. After all Pakistanis have hosted Arabs, Palestinians, Chechen, Uighurs, Indian criminals and all sorts of others who are now bringing great joy and praise to Pakistan. I look forward to the effect of the Chinese on Pakistan.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 13 Nov 2011 08:07

shiv wrote: Net result? Women were abducted, slaves taken and sold from the areas that are now Pakistan to other areas that are still Pakistan.

Imagine a man who laughs at his mother and says "My dad screwed you. Nyahaha", Pakis are like that . It is a nation born out of rape and loot and they sit and admire rapists and looters as heroes. The ultimate Stockholm syndrome.

Look at it this way folks. Hindu girl gets abducted from Lahore, gets taken 100 km west to some camp. Gets used and gives birth to a child. The child's dad is hardly gong to wait in queue for LKG/UKG admission forms to put him through KG, Std 1 to Std 10 CBSE. He is out trying to loot more or steal his neighbor's wife. The child is with mother. What language does she use to talk to he child? Arabic? Spanish? Balls, It will be her tongue which may have been Punjabi/Sindhi. Dad ensures that child is Moslem - so he is called AbdulPackee. Dad is not gong to TESCO's to get bread. Mum has to feed baby. What does she cook? pomme frites? Seeshkabobs? Naah. She cooks ordinary Indian khana. Roti. Subzi. Gosht if available. So now - after 1000 years of subjugation of the area called Pakistan, the people speak their ancestral mother tongue, Punjabi or Sindhi, perhaps Gujarati, cooking their mother's food but raping and killing like dad after Jumma prayer. That's the history of Pakistan in one paragraph.

This is a most perceptive post, should be on the first page as a sticky...

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 Nov 2011 08:21

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CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 Nov 2011 09:08

partha wrote:B Raman on Indian media's fixation with Imran Khan and total neglect of Balochistan -

He makes good points. How many times have we seen detailed reports on Balochistan?

ParthaJi, both you & BRJi should look up what the attributes are of low self-esteem, self-loathing, Stockholm-syndrome afflicted cowards, and that explains why.

partha · Post by **partha** » 13 Nov 2011 09:26

I think it is more about TRPs. Imran Khan is a celebrity, a former cricketer. Everybody in India knows him and our news channels love celebrities don't they? btw, Have any of the government channels reported about Balochistan? Just curious.

arun · Post by **arun** » 13 Nov 2011 09:33

arun wrote:An excerpt from the WTO website dealing with EU’s waiver request for granting preference to exports from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to compensate for floods there two years ago that was raised in the November 7, 2011 meeting of the WTO’s Council for Trade in Goods:

EU’s waiver request for Pakistan

The European Union recalled that almost a year ago it tabled its request for tariff preferences for Pakistan to help the country recover from massive flooding. It has now submitted a revised request that takes into account the systemic concerns expressed by several members, and stressed that the measure is for two years only.

The United States and Norway supported the EU request. Viet Nam said its concerns had been addressed in bilateral talks, and that it was now ready to support the EU request. Morocco said it could support the EU request but would have preferred prior consultations with the EU since the waiver request covers textiles, a capital sector of its economy. Bangladesh, Indonesia, Peru and Argentina said they were still studying the revised request, and requested more consultations with the EU. Brazil expressed reservation about the request and asked the EU for consultations on possible effects on Brazilian exports.

Pakistan said the revised EU request made clear that this waiver would not be a precedent for the future, thus it had addressed the systemic concerns of some members. The EU said it has done its best to respond to the consultations, but it was clear that some complexity remained. It would like to consult with members, and hoped for a unanimous agreement as soon as possible.

The Council took note of the statements and agreed to revert to this matter at its next meeting.
Rollback of various trade restrictions urged, EU to consult on Pakistan waiver

While leading our nation to believe that the principled opposition at the WTO to the EU proposal to grant the Islamic Republic of Pakistan preferential trade access was being set aside in return for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan granting us MFN status, leave alone MFN status, the Congress Party led UPA administration has not even got the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to move to the next best option for India, namely moving bilateral trade to a Negative list from the current very restrictive policy of permitting trade on a positive list.

The Congress party led UPA administration of Dr. Manmohan Singh thus appears to have allowed itself and this nation of ours to be conned once again by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and has foisted on our nation action that could grant the Islamic Republic of Pakistan trade benefits without any reciprocal trade benefit accruing to India.

India it would seem will need to satisfy itself with some crumbs scattered by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan our way:

Pakistan lists 12 more items for trade with India

partha · Post by **partha** » 13 Nov 2011 09:37

Atish wrote:
How can I watch this using a UK proxy server. i.e. how do I make sure its from a UK proxy server?

http://www.xroxy.com/proxy-country-GB.htm

Check one by one from that list. You can use Firefox foxyproxy add on to configure

arun · Post by **arun** » 13 Nov 2011 09:59

By what axiom of Madrassah Maths or conjecture of Lahori Logic does any fragment of the automobile industry of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan come close to 20% of its Indian counterpart ?

Have I missed some operative principle of thought in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan like one TFTA Momin Mohammadden Motorcycle equals a substantial multiple of SDRE Dhimmi Kaafir Hindu Motorcycles ?

Pakistan is producing just 20 percent of current automobile in India. During 2010-11, India manufactured 2.50 million cars, 12.671 million motorcycles, 0.548 million tractors, 0.799 million rickshaws, 0.548 million tractors, 0.408 million light commercial vehicles, 0.318 million multi utility vehicles [means ambulances, television communication vans etc.], 0.344 million buses & trucks [Source: http://www.acmainfo.com] whereas Pakistan is producing 0.119 million cars, 0.034 million LCVs, 0.003 million buses & trucks, 0.070 million tractors, 0.8 million motorcycles and just 0.015 million rickshaws.

From the Nutty Nation:

Auto industry wants NTBs on Indian goods

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 13 Nov 2011 11:24

shiv wrote: The question to me is that what Pakis can do to beguile an already wily eartern people such as the Chinese.

The love of the Chinese for land and power is exemplary. They have always wanted half the world for themselves, that's why all this schemes for land grabbing wherever they can. They have always thought, for their rising population they would need more and more land. Many people talk of migration by Pakis etc, but the migration by Chinese is also huge and I never got why the media or whoever concerned always overlooks it. One cannot believe the number of Chinese immigrants to India alone which is huge and they get passed on as tibetans, north-easterns etc, no one has really bothered about the numbers. Only 1 article I read sometime back had the accurate mention of huge number of chinese workers in India. Also, they have the advantage as in they can adjust with poor conditions.

The second thing is power generation, to power their own economy, power which is cheap, that's why they are building all those cheap dams in other countries to power themselves. Getting a hold of Pakiland would give them access to new resources and also they can keep a check on Separatists from close quarters. After all, who in his sane mind would trust the Paki word to act on the terrorists.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 13 Nov 2011 11:25

Everyone remembers this picture right?

Now Condoleeza Rice says that the day this dinner was hosted, Bush told Musharraf point blank that he considered it his prerogative to act without permission or possible Islamabad's knowledge. So the rat knew he'd be cooked if and when the americans wisened up to obl's presence in isloo eating lamb biriyani. Yet he was all bluster. He definitely was a rat! Judging from his recent act on bbc about mullah omar, he hasnt changed either. But how long did he think he could outwit the americans when it wasnt about f-16s or pressure on India to talk about kashmir but about harbouring obl right under their own noses? Remember, this dinner was in washington in 2006. Barely 5 years after the search for obl started. Did he get lazy or worse, smug?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 13 Nov 2011 11:41

abhishek_sharma wrote:Pak army wants peace too, says PM

I thought Pak PM made that statement. No sir Manmohanji has made this very wise statement.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Nov 2011 11:42

Prasad wrote:Everyone remembers this picture right?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... n_2006.jpg

Now Condoleeza Rice says that the day this dinner was hosted, Bush told Musharraf point blank that he considered it his prerogative to act without permission or possible Islamabad's knowledge. So the rat knew he'd be cooked if and when the americans wisened up to obl's presence in isloo eating lamb biriyani. Yet he was all bluster.

So was Bush. Made for each other. They were telling each other and everyone else lies about their resolve. Ombaba, no matter that even people of Indian origin on this board have chosen to call him Uncle Tom, actually got Osammy. Not Bush. Indians were always saying where Osama was, so what was so wise about Americans "wising up"?

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 13 Nov 2011 12:02

shiv wrote:
That should set up an interesting dynamic in Pakistan..

I will watch with anticipation. After all Pakistanis have hosted Arabs, Palestinians, Chechen, Uighurs, Indian criminals and all sorts of others who are now bringing great joy and praise to Pakistan. I look forward to the effect of the Chinese on Pakistan.

Conversely, the Chinese are likely to reap the whirlwind in a few years as the Americans have done. After-all, America has supported the Paki army with weaponery, but not necessarily of the most lethal kind. The Pakis have used the Taliban, via Afghanistan, via al keeda to draw the Americans in and force them to pay baksheesh. Pakis have some strengths, as you say.

The Chinese, on the other hand, have gifted nukes and missles to deliver them to the Pakis. And the Pakis are next door to them, not half the planet away. And, on top of that, the Chinese have the same unruly muslim central asians in their province that borders Pakistan. And those muslims are pissed off at the Chinese, and want to secede.

If I were a Chinese, I would be worried about all of the rhetoric of

"taller than mountain, deeper than ocean, sweeter than honey, stronger than steel, dearer than eyesight"

type of stuff. This is the embrace of a whore who is likely to develop a fatal attraction, and not take disappointment well, especially if she has a falling out with the existing John. If the Chinese want to move up in the world, and eventually shed the company of illuminaries such as Pakis, No. Koreans, Sudanese, Somalis etc, they will have a problem with ditching the Pakis, who can certainly create problems for them in Xingkiang as they do for India in Kashmir. If they don't ditch the Pakis, they will be subject to the same escalating blackmail that the Pakis have engaged with the west. Then they will inherit a massive non performing asset like Pureland. And the Paki, while slavish of the white Anglo, has no such feelings for the godless, pork-eating Chinese, and could possibly turn in a second.

I think the CHinese may learn about "browback", and it ain't going to be of the bj cutie kind.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Nov 2011 12:16

MurthyB wrote:And, on top of that, the Chinese have the same unruly muslim central asians in their province that borders Pakistan. And those muslims are pissed off at the Chinese, and want to secede.

It is not correct to assume Pakis are Muslims supporters. Pakis are musharraf kissers and some of those musharraf are muslim.

For example, Pakis kissed up to king of Jordan and massacred thousands of Palestinians. I dont see Paki backlash against Jordan in support of Palestinians! Pakis sent mercenaries to Bahrain and massacred muslims there. Pakis continue to kill muslims in Balochistan. Musharraf is personally responsible for massacre of Shias in Chitral.

Just because some muslims are pissed with the Chinese does not mean that Pakis will come to their aid against the Chinese. In fact you can very well expect paki soldiers to carry out a massacre there, in return for a few barrel of oil and a few lifafas to their Jernails.

China-Paki fallout will be due to a different angle. The Chinese are businessmen and do not have Massa largesse. They dont believe in "Let us spread peace and education and clean drinking water and democracy" nonsense that USAID and various other US funded projects do, rather they are out and out businessmen. Like "Here is 10 bucks, turn over that copper mine to me" or "Here is a plane, cause trouble to India and turn over that copper mine to me". In the short term, it will all be chaddi-buddies because they hate the same guy (India) but in the long term, it will be the pakis who will get shafted when they realize that their musharraf is owned by the tallel than mountain masters.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 13 Nov 2011 12:21

Anujan wrote:It is not correct to assume Pakis are Muslims supporters. Pakis are musharraf kissers and some of those musharraf are muslim.

The point is that the Chinese have a glaring weak spot that the Pakis and their Taliban friends can exploit. For them to not exploit it, the Chinese will have to pay a price. I mean it is the same fallout we are seeing with the US. Afterall, if the US isn't all powerful and has limitations when it has to deal with the Pakis, as is becoming increasingly obvious, why the Chinese would have an easier time, especially with these types of weaknesses, is not clear to me. It could be they who get "pwned".

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Nov 2011 12:47

Well the way I see it is that the Pakis support telebunnies against the US, because US is not "all out" against the Indians. (Ofcourse, Given the choice of American security and Indian security at the expense of American security, I have no illusions as to what the americans will choose, but destruction of India is not a stated aim of the US). If the US were to sign a pact with the Pakistanis to invade India, in return for a Paki massacre of the taliban, Pakis will do that in a wink. Or if the US were to guarantee an Anti-Indian Afghanistan with a free hand to Pakistan to establish camps to train yahoos to fight in J&K, Pakistan will gladly massacre the Anti-US taliban.

OTOH China and Pakistan's interest vis-a-vis India coincide. India's defeat and breakup is something that China would want and will supply Pakis with money and weapons to enable this. Under this circumstance, it makes no sense for the Pakis to support the Wiggles in China expecting even greater aid. Because that would just kill the duck that lays the golden egg. OTOH, if China agrees to a 20 year pact of modernizing Pakistan's armed forces, Pakis will go and gladly massacre their Muslim brethren.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 13 Nov 2011 13:39

Yawn reporting.

PESHAWAR: Six people were killed and four wounded when a bomb planted in a donkey cart exploded in a remote town in the tribal Khyber district Sunday, officials said.

A donkey cart carrying sand was left unattended in the market area of Mastak town near the Afghan border, they said.

“The explosives concealed in the sand loaded onto the cart was detonated with the help of a remote controlled device,” local administration official Syed Ahmed Jan told AFP by telephone.

Another senior official Mutahir Zaib confirmed the incident and the casualties. He said the injured were out of danger.

No group has claimed responsibility.

At least 12 people were killed in two separate militant attacks in the troubled Khyber district on Saturday.

Some 18,000 people fled their homes in Khyber last month amid fears of a fresh onslaught of fighting between the army and militants tied to the Pakistani Taliban.

Pakistan’s army has previously launched a series of offensives targeting the the Lashkar-e-Islam (LI), a Taliban-allied militant group waging a local insurgency.

Pakistan’s seven tribal districts near the Afghan border are rife with a homegrown insurgency and are strongholds of Taliban and al Qaeda operatives.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 13 Nov 2011 17:28

Pakistan is the first nation on earth who have successfully created a business out of Terrorism. They have perfected the art and the business is flourishing. As long as the money flows they are all too happy exporting terrorism and appearing all chic and dandy to the outside world. They have hidden their tracks so well but diplomacy is such a thing that people get deceived again and again and again and keep falling for the same trap.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 Nov 2011 19:41

Ivanev wrote:Pakistan is the first nation on earth who have successfully created a business out of Terrorism. They have perfected the art and the business is flourishing. As long as the money flows they are all too happy exporting terrorism and appearing all chic and dandy to the outside world. They have hidden their tracks so well but diplomacy is such a thing that people get deceived again and again and again and keep falling for the same trap.

To use business & rape analogies, TSP has exploited the favorable business climate it finds itself in, and are focused like a laser on only one victim: India. To use the rape analogy, TSP rapes India, and India as the victim is too weak to hit back, and the world (whites) don't feel too attracted to the victim, so India has no allies either. In contrast, the rapist has enough benefactors including Chinis and Saudis who have their own gripe with the victim. The victim's plight is so pathetic that the rapist and his white friends even have the gall to cite the victim's other faults and weaknesses and indulgences to say that the rape is well deserved and rapist is also a victim and both should forget the rapes and move on. And the sad part of the victim's plight is that many of the victim's kith & kin concur with the rapist, even the head of her family who says that victim cannot achieve her dreams unless she makes love to the rapist. This suits both the rapist and the white friends of the rapist just fine and hence the rapist's business and return on investment is booming.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 Nov 2011 19:47

Anujan wrote:Well the way I see it is that the Pakis support telebunnies against the US, because US is not "all out" against the Indians. (Ofcourse, Given the choice of American security and Indian security at the expense of American security, I have no illusions as to what the americans will choose, but destruction of India is not a stated aim of the US).

It is not an explicitly stated objective, but US's policy of India == TSP means that any move they make in the subcontinent is subject to this constraint. Right in broad daylight, US managed to donate F-16s to TSP under the guise that it needs arms to take on US-specific terrorists. See how skillfully US implemented India == TSP when it realized that any blow-back to TSP by acquiescing to US diktats should not weaken it lest the India == TSP constraint in perturbed in India's favor. Even the so called nuke deal was formalized with this constraint in mind. And in any case, its only a matter of time before TSP also gets a nuke deal of sorts.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 13 Nov 2011 20:49

CRamS wrote: To use business & rape analogies, TSP has exploited the favorable business climate it finds itself in, and are focused like a laser on only one victim: India. To use the rape analogy, TSP rapes India, and India as the victim is too weak to hit back, and the world (whites) don't feel too attracted to the victim, so India has no allies either. In contrast, the rapist has enough benefactors including Chinis and Saudis who have their own gripe with the victim. The victim's plight is so pathetic that the rapist and his white friends even have the gall to cite the victim's other faults and weaknesses and indulgences to say that the rape is well deserved and rapist is also a victim and both should forget the rapes and move on. And the sad part of the victim's plight is that many of the victim's kith & kin concur with the rapist, even the head of her family who says that victim cannot achieve her dreams unless she makes love to the rapist. This suits both the rapist and the white friends of the rapist just fine and hence the rapist's business and return on investment is booming.

Somehow your post was too provocative and on the darker side. Diplomacy is like that, you can't expect others to come to your help, its always you and your guard. Its always business, if someone does come to your help, you have to give an arm and a leg for it. To bring these perpetrators to justice, India needs strong leaders. The constitution is quite strong and well formed, but why not a National outlook or policy or goal. When it was written, I believe priorities were different, it was bringing the poor out of poverty, illiteracy etc, so the principles of freedom and values. But I believe there is still no well defined ruleset on the priorities and goals of the nation as a whole, the national objective, how the whole nation is going to progress and the vision for the future. That's why this fragmented ideologies subject to the whims and fancies of the leaders. Except one clause which mentions the use of massive force in case of attack on Indian forces, I am yet to come across a single writ which says what to do in case of terrorism or provocation or the like! Well I might be ignorant, but many countries do have written or unwritten National objectives. Now India is one the verge of being a developed nation and I believe still the leaders are busy making policies for this group, that state, or that region but what about the country as a whole, how to save its people, how to progress with unity! When such a situation occurs, the leaders are confounded and don't know what to do, the easiest way is to play the time out!

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 13 Nov 2011 21:33

CRamS wrote:
To use business & rape analogies, TSP has exploited the favorable business climate it finds itself in, and are focused like a laser on only one victim: India. To use the rape analogy, TSP rapes India, and India as the victim is too weak to hit back, and the world (whites) don't feel too attracted to the victim, so India has no allies either. In contrast, the rapist has enough benefactors including Chinis and Saudis who have their own gripe with the victim. The victim's plight is so pathetic that the rapist and his white friends even have the gall to cite the victim's other faults and weaknesses and indulgences to say that the rape is well deserved and rapist is also a victim and both should forget the rapes and move on. And the sad part of the victim's plight is that many of the victim's kith & kin concur with the rapist, even the head of her family who says that victim cannot achieve her dreams unless she makes love to the rapist. This suits both the rapist and the white friends of the rapist just fine and hence the rapist's business and return on investment is booming.

Paki is a whore with 3.5 clients, a whore can only be whore. It's a fallacy to ascribe it any other role. I don't think you want India to be a whore in order to get support from Tom, Dick, Harry, Abdullah, and Godzilla.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 13 Nov 2011 21:36

CRamS wrote:
It is not an explicitly stated objective, but US's policy of India == TSP means that any move they make in the subcontinent is subject to this constraint. Right in broad daylight, US managed to donate F-16s to TSP under the guise that it needs arms to take on US-specific terrorists. See how skillfully US implemented India == TSP when it realized that any blow-back to TSP by acquiescing to US diktats should not weaken it lest the India == TSP constraint in perturbed in India's favor. Even the so called nuke deal was formalized with this constraint in mind. And in any case, its only a matter of time before TSP also gets a nuke deal of sorts.

So a handful of F-16 has restored balance of power in Indian subcontinent???

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 Nov 2011 21:58

Dipanker wrote:
So a handful of F-16 has restored balance of power in Indian subcontinent???

Yes, not only is this a balance, the pendulam is in TSP's favor given its nukes and 1000s of yahoos willing to go to 72. If not, India would not have stooped so low as to equate 26/11 with Samjotha, and many other equal equal equivalences.