I hope nobody is presuming that it will be free of Trojans!PratikDas wrote:TOI: IAF will add two more Israeli AWACS to its fleet
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Hmm, I am not so sure that it might not work. I always wondered why something like a KA 31 "oko" type cannot be configured for the MKI, would've been great for IN carrier borne AEW. The MKI has two inherent strengths - tremendous range/endurance (unlike the KA 31), and thanks to extra power + ceiling, the range should be a lot more. With the BARS covering the frontal arc, perhaps two underwing or one fuselage mounted radar might provide coverage for the remaining sectors.Singha wrote:MKI or any fighter radar is not the ideal for side sweeping large swathes of territory and keeping it under observation because it would need to point its nose. the side looking radar of proper platforms like E8 and Sentinel are what generates huge sweep areas and allows a racetrack path to keep it under constant watch. so using MKI is a non-starter, even if it had the sensitve SAR/GMTI modes which it probably does not. onboard power and endurance is also a concern - we know the MKI does not have enough power as is to run even the Irbis let alone the Irbis-E.....will need pwr system overhaul and more engine for that like Su35BM has. the side looking radar has a much bigger 'aperture' than fighter dishes and likely way more range.
coming to airborne control (more controllers) vs downlink to ground station, I agree that in Indic context where we are not looking to advance 1000km into enemy territory, ground based processing should be ok for us, if the fat wireless pipes are ok in bad weather (this is a must , the bw must not degrade beyond a point UNLIKE my tata sky dish that loses satellite in heavy rains and blacks out for a while until it regains)
Just a fantasy I s'pose. But this might be a more realistic option via sukhoi.org:
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If the basic airframe has flown, then the AEW version can be considered. Else no reason why the same concept cannot be implemented on the Rustom XXX or the global hawk.
Otherwise you are looking at the project being completed with Indian money onlee. With India being the sole user.
Otherwise you are looking at the project being completed with Indian money onlee. With India being the sole user.
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MKI to be carrier borne needs atleast a kuznetsov sized carrier and for effective payload a catapult not ski ramp. niether is there.
no news on sukhoi zond uav's after the models.... I dont know whats holding Rus back from large UAV work and the even the Mig SKAT ucav was a model only
maybe we can rope them in to speed up rustom HALE ? the AL55 engine could be suitable?
no news on sukhoi zond uav's after the models.... I dont know whats holding Rus back from large UAV work and the even the Mig SKAT ucav was a model only
maybe we can rope them in to speed up rustom HALE ? the AL55 engine could be suitable?
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how about this for carriers?
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Well it need not be Sukhoi built, I was just throwing an idea around. UAVs certainly don't seem to be a Roosi strength, iirc, they are now buying Herons. Also, I don't think they consider UAV development that crucial, not yet. Their strategic forces carry more priority, followed by bread/butter stuff - subs/pakfa/SAMs.
Re. MKI being Vikad capable - don't think TWR is such an issue, the Su-33 is worse off iirc in this dept. Problem would be in stowing the a/c. And if needed, a few airframes could always be fitted with something more powerful (AL-31 FM3 for e.g.). Question - a lot os CV images show a/c on deck, couldn't a few MKI/AEW be anchored on deck to avoid stowage problems?
The osprey idea is interesting, I wonder if those massive propellers would make some difference to radar emissions?
Re. MKI being Vikad capable - don't think TWR is such an issue, the Su-33 is worse off iirc in this dept. Problem would be in stowing the a/c. And if needed, a few airframes could always be fitted with something more powerful (AL-31 FM3 for e.g.). Question - a lot os CV images show a/c on deck, couldn't a few MKI/AEW be anchored on deck to avoid stowage problems?
The osprey idea is interesting, I wonder if those massive propellers would make some difference to radar emissions?
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Yes, it will be full of trojans and you know better than the IAF. Congratulations.Pranav wrote:I hope nobody is presuming that it will be free of Trojans!PratikDas wrote:TOI: IAF will add two more Israeli AWACS to its fleet
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The Russians have had serious control issues with even some of their basic UAV designs, let alone flying such advanced ones with heavy loads on top!Pratyush wrote:If the basic airframe has flown, then the AEW version can be considered. Else no reason why the same concept cannot be implemented on the Rustom XXX or the global hawk.
Otherwise you are looking at the project being completed with Indian money onlee. With India being the sole user.
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Osprey does seem like a good idea for our STOBAR carriers.Cain Marko wrote:The osprey idea is interesting, I wonder if those massive propellers would make some difference to radar emissions?
The propellers are probably made of composites. Radar would mostly just pass through.
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Its not like these things are unheard of.Karan M wrote:Pranav wrote:Yes, it will be full of trojans and you know better than the IAF. Congratulations.Karan M wrote: I hope nobody is presuming that it will be free of Trojans!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... g-jet.html
CHINA claims to have found almost 30 surveillance bugs, including one in the headboard of the presidential bed, on a Boeing 767 that had just been delivered from America to serve as President Jiang Zemin's official aircraft.
The aircraft has been sitting on a military airstrip north of Beijing, unused with much of its upholstery and many of its fittings ripped out, since October when Chinese test pilots detected a strange and unfamiliar whine emanating from its body.
A search of the twin-engined aircraft, which was manufactured and fitted out in America, yielded 27 devices, according to Chinese officials, hidden in its seats, lavatory and panelling.
Beijing believes that the bugs were planted by the Central Intelligence Agency while the aircraft was undergoing conversion work in San Antonio, Texas.
The CIA refused to respond to the report. Bill Harlow, the spy agency's spokesman, said: "We never comment on allegations like these, as a matter of policy." The White House used almost identical words, saying: "We never discuss these types of allegations."
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^^^ Now who can we trust? Nobody
It is naive to think IAF did not do the necessary checks on a military aircraft similar to what Chinese did on their airforce one.
It is naive to think IAF did not do the necessary checks on a military aircraft similar to what Chinese did on their airforce one.
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One of my friends was mentioning about his acquaintances working in a DRDO lab at Hyderabad have their only job being poring through the code provided by the Israelis for various systems to search for backdoors and Trojans.Kailash wrote:^^^ Now who can we trust? Nobody
It is naive to think IAF did not do the necessary checks on a military aircraft similar to what Chinese did on their airforce one.
Am sure "debugging" teams from IB/MI/RAW/xxx do go through any newly imported equipment( esp planes etc) to check for physical bugs placed in the import.
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Please do not post articles/links from indiandefence.com . It is a paki owned site.
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Any News on the DRDO's EMB 145 AEW&C?
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Jee Huzoor Khuda ne Barkat ata farmai "Jasusi Tiyaara-a- Hindustan" Hazir haiKakarat wrote:Any News on the DRDO's EMB 145 AEW&C?
pese-e-khidmat hai http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2011/11/i ... ly-in.html
tarmak007 ke janib se, Sukriya bhaizaan
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Sweet !!! Hope CABS engineers are all well prepared to integrate and get going quickly. Wonder how/how much/when they tested the AAAU.
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^^^ TARMAK007 has started a AWACS Namakaran request! Request Jingos to suggest Ppropriate names, my vote for Garuda!!!
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trust them to pick sanjay.
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Garuda sounds awesome, sanjaya(after the character in mahabharatha) could be added to the list too. I guess mods should start a new thread,
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Sanjay is great!Rahul M wrote:trust them to pick sanjay.
Doordarshan?
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" MATALI " - Charioteer of Indra; the one who is bestowed with cognizance of all directions..Shrinivasan wrote:^^^ TARMAK007 has started a AWACS Namakaran request! Request Jingos to suggest Ppropriate names, my vote for Garuda!!!
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Bali/Vali. Son of God Surya, able to grasp half of opponent's energy, only vincible to god/Rama himself with careful strategy. Garuda is a bit overkill, may be the big bird Phalcon deserves it.Shrinivasan wrote:^^^ TARMAK007 has started a AWACS Namakaran request! Request Jingos to suggest Ppropriate names, my vote for Garuda!!!
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IMHO, "Garuda" must be reserved for the offensive/strike a/c, maybe the FGFA should/would be named "Garuda"kmkraoind wrote:Garuda is a bit overkill, may be the big bird Phalcon deserves it.Shrinivasan wrote:^^^ TARMAK007 has started a AWACS Namakaran request! Request Jingos to suggest Ppropriate names, my vote for Garuda!!!
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Though it is possible and often done in times of war, it has severe penalties too.Cain Marko wrote: Re. MKI being Vikad capable - don't think TWR is such an issue, the Su-33 is worse off iirc in this dept. Problem would be in stowing the a/c. And if needed, a few airframes could always be fitted with something more powerful (AL-31 FM3 for e.g.). Question - a lot os CV images show a/c on deck, couldn't a few MKI/AEW be anchored on deck to avoid stowage problems?
First, the added weight of the carrier, lessening the amount of fuel
(aviation fuel) available for the other a/c effectively having to put up similar sortie numbers as with the standard complement, added weapons for these planes, added man hours for the maintenance crew, added quarters for the additional men that will be needed etc.
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Vithur ..... the who has the divine senses.
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i would prefer a real and a existing ones name than a mythological name with mystical powers
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Shivji's (not the BR one) Teesri Aankh 'Trayambakam' for the destruction of enemies (When opened).
Cheers....
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and the datalink would be called akashvani ?PratikDas wrote:Sanjay is great!Rahul M wrote:trust them to pick sanjay.
Doordarshan?
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Garuda is my first choice... another choice would be "Rajali" meaning "Royal Eagle", I also considered Jatayu and Sampati but dropped these... IAF names our birds after Indian Myths onlee...
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No DOORDARSHAN !!!Rahul M wrote:and the datalink would be called akashvani ?PratikDas wrote: Doordarshan?
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wow - most aew incl the chini y8 have a line of blade antennas on the fuselage spine. but ours are more longer and on the tail...
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DRDO EMB 145I AEW&C Successfully completes first flight
Embraer performed the maiden flight, today, of the first of three EMB 145 Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) aircraft ordered by the Indian government. The flight was well performed and all planned tests were successfully achieved. It tooked place at Embraer’s headquarters, in São José do Campos.
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its a mean looking bird.. Bravo
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^^ Holy moly...is there any inch on that beast which isnt bristling with antennas?