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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 08:38 
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The snipers in the picture are from 5 Assam Battalion.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 10:03 
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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 10:12 
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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 10:15 
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In the topmost pic on this page - Arjun makes everything around it look puny!!! I almost missed the T-90 between the BMPs...


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 10:22 
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Pics from Dress Rehersal of Navy Day Celebrations.
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And now my personal fav. :lol:
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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 10:24 
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last one is awesome !

rohit, just asking, how do you know it's a T-90 and not T-72 from that distance ?


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 10:32 
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^ ERA bricks on front section of the turret ? the size of bricks on T-72 is smaller and layout is different too.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 10:36 
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^^ I think from its flattish turret.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 10:55 
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I could not make out any ERA bricks. http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/jKJL8 ... 025254.jpg


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 11:04 
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^ I was referring to the triangular wedge like projection on the frontal turret arc ~40 deg on either side of the MG, I have never seen that on a T-72; smaller ERA bricks on it's domed turret don't give a similar silhouette.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 11:07 
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Gaur wrote:
Pics from Dress Rehersal of Navy Day Celebrations.
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:D The USN Seal camo's strike again....


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 11:09 
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Re exercise sudarshan shakti:
please where is the high res stuff.... all of this 340X240 is okay but yeh dil mange more


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 11:16 
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negi, for me all that is applicable only when the tank is closer, from that distance I can't make out any of those details. UPG T-72 has similar silhouette at that distance to my eyes.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 12:23 
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Wow.. The Arjun sure looks menacing, much like the vaunted Abrams.. Absolutely love it...
Thanks Amitabhji for posting it.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 12:30 
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the first pic on livefist is a keeper. I dont know how to post it here but if someone can please post that menacing pic of the formidable arjun here


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 12:36 
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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 14:19 
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^^^Livefist has got a good collection of pics from Ex Sudarshan Shakti... Kudos to Shiv Aroor... specifically the Arjun Pics.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 14:23 
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Rahul M wrote:
negi, for me all that is applicable only when the tank is closer, from that distance I can't make out any of those details. UPG T-72 has similar silhouette at that distance to my eyes.


Rahul, negi has given the correct explanation. The ERA on the front section of T-90 due to clamshell type arrangement (also because they are bigger and broader than ERA on T-72), when seen from sideways form a shape like this - >. See the image here of ERA on frontal section fro sideways:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/t90srussiaarmyrecogniti.jpg/

For CIA Ajeya, see the image here:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pg1tuEsnelk/Tdp0dZH9rZI/AAAAAAAAAyU/oRLf9BHieYU/s1600/Indian_Army_T-72_image1.jpg

The lines on T-72 are not clean and ERA package actually looks like bricks.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 14:24 
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negi wrote:
^ ERA bricks on front section of the turret ? the size of bricks on T-72 is smaller and layout is different too.


Correct. Full Marks. :D


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 14:46 
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Bx-keJuRQfY/TtiJoQ5h83I/AAAAAAAAOUM/13Hksukb2tU/s1600/yu-1-757068.jpg
see this pic of Arjun MBT, the formation sign belongs to 12th Inf Div (which has since converted to a RAPID), how come it doesn't sport the formation sign of an Armoured brigade but the parent Div?
This pic is another proof about the conversion of 12th Inf to a RAPID with the recent augmentation of mechanized and armoured elements into it


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 14:53 
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rohit, you would think I would know that much ? :D

but in this pic http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/jKJL8 ... 025254.jpg I couldn't make out if it was a t-90, if anything it looked like a T-72 to me. no tell-tale > in silhouette AFA I can see but you ID'ed it as T-90.
so what am I missing ?


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 15:01 
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In the image with the T-90 and the gentleman standing in front of it is that a Smerch MRBL that I see (the one on the right) ?
Also in the picture with the soldier charging forward why is he carrying a knife when he has a bayonet fixed on his rifle ?


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Yes to the first one and also the gun is silver colored...

there is also a pinaka MRBL


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 15:20 
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actually in this modern era.. is bayonet charge are useful..? [just a noob doubt]


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 15:34 
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Strangely with T-72 CIA upgrade they went to great lenght to cover the frontal turret and glacis and side of chassis with ERA tiles but left the side and back of turret without ERA cover.

Front: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LqIeQKbWZWE/T ... 789322.JPG
Side/Back : http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Oiu9abHQo9Q/T ... 786282.JPG


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 15:38 
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jimmy_moh wrote:
actually in this modern era.. is bayonet charge are useful..? [just a noob doubt]


Yes. Remember how the intruders in Kargil were finished off.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 15:39 
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The Arjun is so big it dwarfs almost every armoured vehical standing besides it :D

One of the cooler T-90 Bhishma pic seen in desert

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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 15:47 
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jimmy_moh wrote:
actually in this modern era.. is bayonet charge are useful..? [just a noob doubt]

Very much so. For instance, bayonets were heavily used in Kargil war. When you turn round a bunker wall/rock and run into an enemy, it is much quicker to just run your weapon through him. This is specially true if your magazine is empty as you would hardly have time to reload a new one. Or in the worse case when your rifle jams at the wrong moment.

So, it all depends upon the situation. Ideally, one would rather not like to get into a situation where bayonet charge is required, but if you are unfortunately stuck in such a tight corner then it may be your only hope.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 15:53 
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Shrinivasan wrote:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Bx-keJuRQfY/TtiJoQ5h83I/AAAAAAAAOUM/13Hksukb2tU/s1600/yu-1-757068.jpg see this pic of Arjun MBT, the formation sign belongs to 12th Inf Div (which has since converted to a RAPID), how come it doesn't sport the formation sign of an Armoured brigade but the parent Div? This pic is another proof about the conversion of 12th Inf to a RAPID with the recent augmentation of mechanized and armoured elements into it


My dear fellow Orbat junkie - a minor tid-bit for you: Only Independent Armored Brigades (apart from the single Para Bde) have a unique formation sign. When I say Independent, it means that the said armored armd. bde. reports directly to Corps HQ. Even independent infantry or arty bdes don't have unique formation sign (AFAIK). They all sport the formation sign of their respective Corps (or AHQ in certain cases). For mango-abduls: when I write 4(I) Armd. Bde, it means 4th Independent Armored Brigade. (I) denotes independent formation.

As for RAPIDs - the armored bde is part of the respective RAPID; it is integral to the division. So, 240 Armored Brigade under which the Arjun Regiment falls (75th Armored Regiment), is part of 12 RAPID and will sport the formation sign of 12 RAPID.

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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 16:06 
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Rahul M wrote:
rohit, you would think I would know that much ? :D
no tell-tale > in silhouette AFA I can see but you ID'ed it as T-90. so what am I missing ?


Ayyo da, saar, not implying anything of the sort :oops:

I've marked the area of the turret in the pic which makes me to believe that this is T-90. Please see the area around the red-circle in the pic below:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/picture123y.png/

The shape of ERA extending backwards from the main gun forms the typical shape that I've referred to.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 16:26 
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Guess who is this :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 17:17 
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OK. I guess that is first pic of Smerch with 41 Arty Division. So, now we know that Smerch and Pinaka are together in 41 (this is an inference).


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 17:42 
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actually in this modern era.. is bayonet charge are useful..? [just a noob doubt]


Bayonet combat is still an integral part of training to make cadets aggressive and bring them into the kill-or-be-killed mode. It adds oomph to a soldier's attitude. (People on this forum who have ever been through a bayonet drill would know).
An infantryman would prefer not to get into a bayonet fight (he'd much rather use a pistol or even a spade) but sometimes, as in Kargil, there is no option. You can compare this with a fighter pilot still training for dog-fights although there are hardly any dogfights in these BVR times. Or fighter jets being still fitted with machine-guns when most of the killing is done by missiles. The point is: when you need it, it's going to save your life.
The bayonet will always be an integral part of the soldier's kit for the psychological factor, if nothing else. Also, it's handy in a number of other ways.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 18:57 
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250 men Ferry Craft Manoram inducted into the Indian Navy


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 18:58 
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Austin - that is one of the nicer T 90 pics indeed.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 21:06 
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OK. I guess that is first pic of Smerch with 41 Arty Division. So, now we know that Smerch and Pinaka are together in 41 (this is an inference).

Rohit sir,
Where did you find the 41st div's sign on the Pinaka/Smerch units??? I can't seem to find it in any of the images on Livefist..


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 21:08 
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^^^41 is with Southern command. Zimple onlee, no.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 21:57 
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Hit a goldmine of Ex Sudarshan Shakti pics.
Khalsa, here is some high res sniper action for you. 8)
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Notice the weapon of the soldier in the above pic? :mrgreen: Probably the spotter. But I expect some :(( to commence soon.
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Now some usual non res stuff.
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There are many more pics at http://bmrnewstrack.blogspot.com/2011/12/live.html
I could only hastly go through the pics. So there might be some more good stuff that I missed.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 22:11 
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sorry for comments in pictures thread, but can't be silent on seeing the Camo on tanks as well.
Apt camo to gel with the terrain. Great going IA!


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