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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2011 22:40 
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^^^41 is with Southern command. Zimple onlee, no.

Oops... Got confused.with the new arty division we.were tracking here.


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PostPosted: 08 Dec 2011 00:31 
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Also found a relatively higher version of the dive shot:
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PostPosted: 08 Dec 2011 00:40 
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Passing out Parade of newly inducted Paratroopers at their Regimental Centre in Bangalore. 2 Nov 2011.
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PostPosted: 08 Dec 2011 20:47 
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Indian Navy Deck Mounted XBT launcher for Anti Submarine Warfare


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PostPosted: 08 Dec 2011 21:14 
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Drone Eye Candy: The RQ-170 at Kandahar


( Pakipicker Panchi)


Sahib please. This is the Indian Military pictures thread.


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PostPosted: 08 Dec 2011 22:14 
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Gaur wrote:
Hit a goldmine of Ex Sudarshan Shakti pics. Khalsa, here is some high res sniper action for you.
Notice the weapon of the soldier in the above pic? Probably the spotter. But I expect some to commence soon


Gaur, I don't believe this guy is the spotter, I don't see any high powered binoculars/telescopes anywhere, nor do I see calculators or any other instruments. What surprised me is the weapon of this sniper. An insas rilfle without scope. I don't understand his role and the need of the camo. Can some guru's throw some light on this Sniper


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PostPosted: 08 Dec 2011 22:28 
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I think the very fact that he is carrying an INSAS without scope and wearing a ghillie suit, proves that he is a spotter. His equipment (binoculars, calculators, etc) might be stashed away in pockets inside the suit. AFAIK spotters carry standard issue rifles for emergencies (in case they get ambushed after their mission or something)


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PostPosted: 08 Dec 2011 22:52 
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Is it a Dragonov sniper carried by the sniper.
And gurus please don't laugh actually I remember to read a news paper report long back that an indigenous bullet proof jacket has been developed which is able to withstand shot from Dragonov from point blank range!!


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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 00:14 
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love the pic of the sniper flying in the air!

Nice catch!

Spotter carrying a Camoed Insas


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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 00:17 
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Sniper flying in the air picture is amazing. At first glance I thought it was some type of bird and was wondering what this Bird is doing in "Misc Picturs" of the military thread?


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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 03:29 
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if you see the dust around the foot of the sniper or spotter.. he has got a strange jump profile.. now I am no SF expert and my fitness is in shamble... so I am not trying to be judgmental.. I am just thinking whether this is a pose shot or not... either way it is cool


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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 03:33 
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cool pic, but he should be jumping straight down and not up in the air...


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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 04:59 
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Lalmohan wrote:
cool pic, but he should be jumping straight down and not up in the air...


at-last I found someone who understood it.. thanks Lalmohanji..


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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 06:34 
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Lalmohan wrote:
cool pic, but he should be jumping straight down and not up in the air...

Nope. If you are running forward and you fall straight down you will slide forward and hurt yourself quite painfully. Anyone who has had a fall playing football or hockey will know that.

He is not jumping. His waist is at the same height as it would be if he was running, and his head is at waist height. Hardly a jump, that. All he has done is kicked up his legs to make his body horizontal so he falls flat. The pic below even has a puff of dirt (on the ground) as his left leg has kicked up and is slightly higher than his waist. In fact he offers a "flat profile" faster than if he merely bends over and tries to fall. The way to go down is to change the vector and direct the energy into lifting your legs, reducing forward momentum and using the energy to change direction. It is perfect actually.

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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 06:50 
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if you see the dust around the foot of the sniper or spotter.. he has got a strange jump profile.. now I am no SF expert and my fitness is in shamble... so I am not trying to be judgmental.. I am just thinking whether this is a pose shot or not... either way it is cool


He is becoming horizontal from a sprint forward. Not from a standing position. The perils of reaching judgement from a 1/500 second still exposure of a complex movement.


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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 07:44 
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haven't you guys played/watched cricket ? that's how it looks when you dive from a running start. watch any batsman trying to make his ground. you land on the forearms which can cushion the impact and not on your knees.

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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 07:58 
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shiv wrote:
He is not jumping. His waist is at the same height as it would be if he was running, and his head is at waist height. Hardly a jump, that. All he has done is kicked up his legs to make his body horizontal so he falls flat. The pic below even has a puff of dirt (on the ground) as his left leg has kicked up and is slightly higher than his waist. In fact he offers a "flat profile" faster than if he merely bends over and tries to fall. The way to go down is to change the vector and direct the energy into lifting your legs, reducing forward momentum and using the energy to change direction. It is perfect actually.


Agree with Shiv. It is not jump like dive but a jump to go flat on same position/spot. puff of dirt (on the ground) is the best evidence. If he would have dived like Rahul M said cricket like, than puff could not be that close. This action is more like some body ordered him to go flat on the ground (from straight position) or he is going flat to hide him self as soon he spot enemy. It is more like photo candy for photographer or that jump is created specially for photographer. And That doesn't mean army people won't do such thing in real like.

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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 07:59 
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Thanks RahulM. I was looking for a suitable pic but was unable to find such a good illustration. Was looking for soccer pics and didn't think of cricket :oops:


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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 10:03 
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BRF rocks... what an analysis.. thanks all..


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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 12:33 
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Dr. Shiv's analysis rocks, I was intrigued no end after seeing the pic, why this strage posture / angle. Thansk shiv for the succint explanation. It is more like a flat dive made by a golie to save a ball, arms stretched, body straight without taking the eye of the ball.

Great dive, phenomenal photography!!!


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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 15:27 
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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2011 20:15 
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shiv wrote:
Thanks RahulM. I was looking for a suitable pic but was unable to find such a good illustration. Was looking for soccer pics and didn't think of cricket :oops:

having a bat in hand is similar to having a gun in hand, both need to be protected from the fall. I guess sehwag's desperate dive yesterday was playing in my mind. :mrgreen:

Shrinivasan wrote:
Dr. Shiv's analysis rocks, I was intrigued no end after seeing the pic, why this strage posture / angle. Thansk shiv for the succint explanation. It is more like a flat dive made by a golie to save a ball, arms stretched, body straight without taking the eye of the ball.

Great dive, phenomenal photography!!!

a goalie diving is from a standing start, object is to reach the ball with his hands -- completely different profile.
like shiv ji said or that pic showed, it's closer to that of a diving batsman.

Ankit Desai wrote:
Agree with Shiv. It is not jump like dive but a jump to go flat on same position/spot. puff of dirt (on the ground) is the best evidence. If he would have dived like Rahul M said cricket like, than puff could not be that close. This action is more like some body ordered him to go flat on the ground (from straight position) or he is going flat to hide him self as soon he spot enemy. It is more like photo candy for photographer or that jump is created specially for photographer. And That doesn't mean army people won't do such thing in real like.

-Ankit

read again, it's not a jump to go flat at same spot. neither shiv ji nor me is saying that. the puff of dust is easily explained, a batsman wants to cover as much distance as possible, the soldier has no such objective.
trying to go horizontal from a stationary start won't see your legs leave the ground by that much. find a soft spot and try it yourself.


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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2011 00:48 
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Nice pics of Gorky, if not posted before.
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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2011 01:57 
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find a soft spot and try it yourself.


no make it more fun. find a hard and rocky spot to try it


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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2011 08:23 
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Naval Passing out Parade with INS Tir in background


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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2011 14:12 
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Looks like Shiv Aroor reads BR and sees the humour in media, Chinese style

Arjun Tank in Thar Desert :mrgreen:



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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2011 14:35 
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all i can see is sand/smoke


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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2011 17:59 
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krishnan wrote:
all i can see is sand/smoke
With the ideal weapon system, a puff of smoke is all that the enemy and world get to see :)


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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2011 18:03 
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krishnan wrote:
all i can see is sand/smoke

That's because you don't have eyes of Arjun. :)


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PostPosted: 11 Dec 2011 10:19 
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army exercise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKCH6IWnAyU
at 0:40 you can see the sniper, possibly the same one, go flat from a running start. :wink:

krishnan wrote:
all i can see is sand/smoke

hopefully pakis would say the same during war. :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: 11 Dec 2011 10:31 
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^^ Is he firing while diving or its just the sound effect at that moment ?


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SagarAg wrote:
^^ Is he firing while diving or its just the sound effect at that moment ?

sound effect or someone else firing


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PostPosted: 11 Dec 2011 16:13 
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Are those BM-21 Grad rocket launchers that I see in this video ?


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he does make a running dive, but his momentum takes his legs above the torso line quite early... that brings attention to the legs (not that i can do any better)


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PostPosted: 11 Dec 2011 17:16 
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Lalmohan wrote:
he does make a running dive, but his momentum takes his legs above the torso line quite early... that brings attention to the legs (not that i can do any better)

It's a goalie jump - a jump that is aimed at landing in a particular way at a particular spot. I was wondering why so many men in camo appeared to be advancing rather than the standard image of hunched men running into battle. It became clearer to me from the video where it is explained that new doctrines are being tested to see if they might work.

Reading about infantry combat in general it appears to me that there comes a time when, ultimately, men have to get up and move forward in the face of fire. That is what defines movement and ultimate victory in battle. World war 1 was marked by absence of that and the battles on Dunkirk were where it was actually done. The human wave tactics used by the Chinese in Korea were just that - men running forward under fire. But it seems to me that this men in camo going forward is a modern interpretation of that - and in an ideal battle they will presumably be backed and supported by heavier firepower to suppress fire from those whom they are tasked to overrun.


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PostPosted: 11 Dec 2011 19:41 
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shiv wrote:
It's a goalie jump


That nailed it.


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PostPosted: 11 Dec 2011 19:53 
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shivji, in normal infantry advances, the idea is to move from cover to cover and take position to provide fire so that the team can advance as one group without everyone running into fire simultaneously. each man covering another and then moving in turn as his comerades provide cover. the soldier here is doing much the same - nothing particularly new about this as a tactic per se


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PostPosted: 11 Dec 2011 20:23 
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Lalmohan wrote:
nothing particularly new about this as a tactic per se


Not new for you maybe. For me it is new to see a man dressed like bushes using the sparse terrain cover offered by flat terrain. There is very little terrain cover there for the "normal cover and move forward" that you describe. I have never ever seen images like these before in my life.


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please watch sniper on discovery channel :)


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PostPosted: 11 Dec 2011 21:22 
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Lalmohan wrote:
please watch sniper on discovery channel :)


Lalmullah. None of those men are snipers. These are ordinary infantrymen carrying INSAS with no scopes and not sniper rifles. but wearing Ghillie suits and moving forward individually rather than in pairs and not sitting hidden and are spread apart. Could you point me to any video, "Sniper" or not that shows that? Even stills will do.

Is it possible that brainless SDREs are doing and showing something new? Certainly new to me and nothing that I saw in "Sniper" was comparable.


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