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PostPosted: 29 Nov 2011 02:41 
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RM ji,

are you "Suncity" on SSC? I used to be on that forum long ago. I thought Suncity was too much of a Leftist sympathizer when I was active on it. seems like he's coming around.


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RamaY wrote:
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a couple of days before kaliyug ka kishen was pesticised, , author and activist mahasweta devi (gyanpith, sahitya akademi, padma shri yada yada) held a press conference in support of APDR.

for the first time I saw the media grilling her to no end about her hypocrisy, leaving her all flustered.
later even didi tore into the so called intellectuals.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost. ... count=3338


Can't access this video. Any alternative link please?


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Mahasweta Devi's press conference. Looks like some journalists finally dared to corner her with some tough questions about her alleged pro Maoist sympathies for which she couldn't give a proper answer.





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Mamata Di's equally tough response to Mao sympathizers. She diplomatically tells the viewers that Mahasweta was lying (or was being coaxed to lie). Mamata wins this round convincingly.




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devesh, thankfully no. SSC is a good place to read and gather info.

p.s. I am pretty sure a person would need 36 hour days to mod 2 large forum.


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Maoists slit throats of 2 tribals

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VISAKHAPATNAM: CPI Maoists of Galikonda area committee allegedly killed two tribals suspecting them to be police informers at GK Veedhi mandal in the district on Sunday.


On the Mahasweta Devi's press conference....any translation available?


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would love to have a translation of Mahasweta and Mamata's response.


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What is SSC?


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 Post subject: Re: The Red Menace
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SkyScraper City forum. it's another online forum.


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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2011 00:55 
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the mahashweta devi press conf.

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The issue was police not giving permission to APDR to hold a rally
in central kolkata. APDR is an umbrella organization of state
maoist intellectuals.

they called a press conference where mahashweta devi read out a
written script where she attacked the govt.

MD : If govt takes away the right of speech of the people, I
strongly object to it. I have objected to the anti-people policies
of the last govt for the last 34 years, in fact I am known all over
India as a protesting poet and I will maintain that. This kind of
thing can't happen, the govt's actions will have to be rolled back,
the common man of WB will not tolerate this. Have we brought fascism
upon us ? (yada yada)

Reporter : you have demanded that the joint forces (state and
central) be withdrawn but the maoists are also commiting murder,
do you support that or not ?

MD : don't support it at all.

R : if so, then when people are getting killed by maoists, common
people, those whom you claim to represent why haven't you ever
called a press conference against that or protested through your
writings ? When the peace talks were going on between the govt and
maoists, the poor people were being murdered by the maoists, why
didn't you protest for even one day like you are today ?

MD: these days... mmmm.... I'm busy... I have worked mostly with
[inaudible, possibly kheria tribe] of purulia, who were called
criminal tribes. I have been with them for a long time, I am trying
to do something constructive with them. I am in touch with them.
Can I go to every place, only then..... I can't go to every place,
every organisation ! It's not possible.

R : you write a number of columns in newspapers (gives a list of
slain political workers from TMC and CPIM) how many times have you
wielded your pen in support of these people who were killed by the
maoists during the peace initiative ?

MD : I don't know when I have wielded a pen, for those who have been
killed by maoists for them [inaudible]... it's not possible for me

R : why haven't you ?

MD : I am 87 years old ! I do not owe an explanation to anybody !

[lots of noise]

MD : WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE ? you are asking these questions, who are
you ?

R : maoists have said they are not interested in talking with govt
but you said CM should talk with them.

MD : CM said she wanted to talk, if maoists do not want to talk
then they should tell what their movement is about. I am for people
of jungle mahal, they don't have drinking water, water for
irrigation.

R : CM has created a package for providing these very things to the
people but you oppose the joint forces that provide security. In
effect you are oppossing the packages.

MD : this is illogical, I don't understand.

[members of APDR whsiper to her from the sides]

MD : joint forces torture the poor people, have the joint forces
gone there to provide water to the villagers ? giving food to the
villagers ? constructing roads ? helping run schools ?
why should I support joint forces ?

R : so who are providing these ?

MD : no one, people there are accustomed to getting nothing.
(very aggressively) have you ever gone there ?

R : will development be possible if joint forces are withdrawn ?

some APDR members shouting (not visible) : of course it will be possible.
for 3 years joint forces have [inaudible]

R : why are you answering ? nobody asked you, we asked her (MD).

MD : go and tell mamata that you all support the joint forces.
do it, go and tell her !


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Unrelated but another one of those Jnanpith award winners and PCPA member, Indira Raisom Goswami, died.


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mamoni raisom, the go between for talks with ULFA ?

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btw, there was a segment on TV where they interviewed the people who gathered for kali kishan's funeral. 4 of them and they all said they were there to get a look of the infamous dude, not to pay any respect.

ganapathi's son is in US and wife lives in h'bad.


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Rahul M wrote:
mamoni raisom, the go between for talks with ULFA ?

Yes, she is the one.


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3 cheers to those reporters who asked some straight questions. If the reporters had this attitude(towards all without biases), then India would have been far better. Its still not late for them...


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 Post subject: Re: The Red Menace
PostPosted: 30 Nov 2011 01:49 
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Muppalla wrote:
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Muppalla,

where is this "support" for Naxals in Telangana? seriously, I've seen Coastal luminaries like Chiranjeevi wax eloquent about Naxals. about how they fight for "common good". from personal experience in Warangal, I can tell you that Naxals don't have any "support". people were happy when the Naxalbari movement waned away and people could go out in the night without fear of attacks from PWG. the thousands of people attending funeral is a gimmick. we all know how "attendance" is trumped up in India, don't we? Naxals having a "support base" in Telangana which votes on their behalf?!?! this is also laughable. never ever heard or seen or experienced such a thing. and I am talking about outside of Hyderabad, in the rural areas. you seem to be on a mission to prove all and sundry stereotypes of T people for whatever reason.


You are unnecessarly jumping on me. I have given the link from eenadu about how many folks have attended the funeral etc. Even today if Gaddar conduct a meeting many people attend in T region. So T region does not have people support to Naxals is not true. There are documentary evidences that in some of the remote areas, Naxals run the show. It is very clear that no one (politicians) really goes ballastic again Naxals like they talk against LeT or JuM bacause of fear that Naxals will kill them. It is a recorded fact that some INC and TRS MP/MLA attended the funeral. Naxals have the means to influence the elections. You may disagree but YSR was able to win using such services.


This and your previous post : agreed on the underlying support aspect.

We may delight in Kishenji's death. But as you point out, my assessment has also been that the resurgence of the Maoists post 77, and especially in the 90's - and the survival of such an overtly anti-state movement, implies that it was penetrated by state agencies a long time ago. Since then it has simply been a tool of congress or the long term extension of the congress allied forces that have grown into the rashtryia machinery.

I would rather you do not go into the subregionalism within Maoism or so-called Bengali-nationalism or even Telegu-nationalism. :P The contest for dominance between these two subregions within the extreme left has been negligible. Telegus and Bengalis mix well on radical viewpoints. [Its not mango-milk but kheer+sugar]. In fact even the legendary Bangali-Bihari catfight does not affect the northern wing of the movement [at least it did not with MCC].

What you note about possible subregionalism of MB is perhaps accurate, and she does plan on projecting herself as the subregional champion. But she has no other way forward. Her only hope lies in raising the Bengali subnationalism to counter the Congress and Left attempt to subdue her. But she has not "moved" in this particular occasion. A lot of other factors coincided to require the "Bali" of Kishenji. The long slippery slope downwards for him perhaps ironically started off from kishenji's tactical "understanding" with TMC before MB's electoral triumph. He was veering off from the so far uncanny and consistent targeting of forces feared by the congress and their apparently favoured religious positions. The Maoists target any "saffron" activist but never any Christian or muslim ones. Maoists ususally do not target congress bigwigs, unless that bigwig is showing disturbing signs of regional strength that could be seen as a challenge to the "centre". Kishenji was therefore deviating from the pattern even if MB was apparently an ally of the "centre" at the time [remains oficially so] - since my pointer was that the centre wanted the Left to lose but not to be wiped off. They are not in love withe either of MB or the left - and they want the two to weaken each other so that Bengal once again at dynasty's feet.

The problem with such movements is that if they have possible bases of new support - rooted in specific socio-economic contexts, they will generate new leadership and sectors of support. The real problems have not been wiped off. Regardless of the Maoist violence and methods, the admin face and the face of the rashtra through its functionaries as seen at the local level where they operate - raise feelings of intense dislike and desire for retaliatory violence in even "normal" human beings.

Maoist methods are wrong and they ultimately serve foreign imperialist interests. But they get their support and will continue to get their support - since the rashtryia functionaries and what appears to the commons as the allies or favoured/protected entities of the rashtra, indulge in practices unmentionable here. I have seen many instances in my childhood and youth, and reports suggest that at the grassroots nothing has changed. Once sympathizers of the oppressed, the parliamentary Left produced local activists who one day became local rulers again replacing the old ones. Nothing really changed as to the nature of the exploitation and repression and sadism and perverted, twisted enjoyment of the suffering of the helpless.

Advent of TMC will not change things either, and after them any resurgent parliamentary left or the congress. The older exploiting groups will either be replaced by elements of the hitherto oppressed, who in time will copy their old oppressors and start oppressing themselves. Or the older rulers will have their next generation bloodlines placed in new roles and opposite camps to maintain their hold on power.


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 Post subject: Re: The Red Menace
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Bji, you analyze the status quo very well. In short saying that the status quo will remain, what we might see as changes are only temporary spikes.

This is very depressing, since we are discussing Red Menace - is there a way out of this chakravyuha? Apparently any Abhimanyu trying to enter will be circled and destroyed.


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JMHT

Bharat Karnad made an interesting comment in NJ-jirga. During Bharatiya middle ages (Post Gupta period to Islamic Invasions) we hear about too much in-fighting between various Hindu kingdoms. He attributes it to the desire of various kings to become the next Samrat of Bharat. In the process they weakened each other and the entire Bharatiya (I would call it federal) structure.

Unfortunately the Congress-System (under the control of INC) is carrying these very political structures and prejudices into current Democratic setup. It worked as long as Congress was in power in majority of states. But when these states fell off from INC parishwanga, the central govt (often lead by INC) started treating these regional parties as competitors to its state and central power.

If one were to take Maoism as a marxist-ideology based armed rebellion against state oppression (here it started against Nizam, who wasn't democratically elected); then that ideology became irrelevant to current Indian political system by 1950. But Maoism/Naxalism continued to exist due to the cold-war politics until 1990s with external support (China, Nepal, Purulia etc). By 1990s the entire structure of Maoist opposition has been penetrated by state agencies. This coincided with INC decline and this lead to INC using Naxalism as a tool to harass non-INC govts wherever possible.

Thus most of the national ills (Maoism, Castism etc) are linked to INC power structures. There are only two solutions to this -
* There comes an INC leader who will clean the entire system, reconnect with Indic roots, and rebuild the party bottom up to lead the nation.
* INC system is destroyed piecemeal by another national party/system.


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RamaY wrote:
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JMHTThus most of the national ills (Maoism, Castism etc) are linked to INC power structures. There are only two solutions to this - * There comes an INC leader who will clean the entire system, reconnect with Indic roots, and rebuild the party bottom up to lead the nation.* INC system is destroyed piecemeal by another national party/system.


INC was installed by the British for this purpose. Congress/ Chahca Jan promised to protect the islamic interests within and Indian union was not suppose to last so long and get strong.


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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2011 06:29 
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brihaspati wrote:
We may delight in Kishenji's death. But as you point out, my assessment has also been that the resurgence of the Maoists post 77, and especially in the 90's - and the survival of such an overtly anti-state movement, implies that it was penetrated by state agencies a long time ago. Since then it has simply been a tool of congress or the long term extension of the congress allied forces that have grown into the rashtryia machinery.


100% true. We have evidence in several states where there is maoism. YSR, Ajit Jogi, Mamta behaved in similar fashion. As I said earlier, the Naxals/Maoists are paid cadre that bring votes to congress party from these infested areas. The non-congress parties like TDP, BJP are at a disadvantage and hence they strived to root out the menace with improved security and improved infrastructure.

brihaspati wrote:
I would rather you do not go into the subregionalism within Maoism or so-called Bengali-nationalism or even Telegu-nationalism. The contest for dominance between these two subregions within the extreme left has been negligible. Telegus and Bengalis mix well on radical viewpoints. [Its not mango-milk but kheer+sugar]. In fact even the legendary Bangali-Bihari catfight does not affect the northern wing of the movement [at least it did not with MCC].


Agreed. My comment was related to a news item post Kishenji's death . But what the heck, if there is such fissures in mass scale inside the Maoists we should encourage the fights so that they will kill each other and cut down the work of security forces. It does not matter if a Bengali mao dies or a Telugu mao dies.

In summary
(1) It is living in fools paradise to think that Maoists does not have influence on certain masses in these regions. Telangana for sure has their say in remote regions
(2) Maosits and congress party are hand in glove and there is no if and buts there


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Views from the left

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Ground reality
The CPM has argued that the Land Acquisition, Rehabilitation and Resettlement Bill that has been tabled in Parliament fails to address the interests of the peasantry and suffers from many other infirmities. An article in CPM journal People’s Democracy calls it an exercise in deceit.

It says that the bill’s provisions will not apply to land acquisition under 16 important legislations and gives sweeping powers to the government to include any other act in this list through a notification and to acquire land in the case of certain emergencies. “The very purpose of the legislation is defeated by these exclusions,” CPM Politburo member S.R. Pillai argues. Besides, he says, the bill gives the government arbitrary powers to occupy land temporarily for public purposes and also for the use of private companies. “The cumulative effect of all these types of exclusions makes the bill totally worthless,” he argues. Further, according to the article, the definition of “public purpose” in the bill includes almost all human activity while the definition of “affected families” is a narrow one.



The article demands the inclusion of elected representatives in committees that conduct social impact assessment studies. It also objects to the fact that the bill bars the jurisdiction of the civil court for disputes relating to land acquisition, saying that such a move is unconstitutional.

Nuclear mistakes

With the government notifying the rules of the Civil Liability for Nuclear Damages Act, an article in People’s Democracy claims the rules do “what the US government has been demanding of India — completely dilute the liability of the nuclear suppliers.”

“No rule can override the basic act itself: this is precisely what these rules are doing,” the article says, arguing that Article 17 — which laid down the provision of a right to recourse by the nuclear operator — was nullified in three different ways.

“The right to recourse has been restricted to either the period of granting of initial licence or the product liability period, whichever is longer,” it says. Referring to Clause 24 of the rules, it says the clause states that the amount of liability in the right to recourse will be up to the operator’s liability if this is provided explicitly in the contract, or the value of the contract, whichever is less. “As the contractor will not agree — given this choice — of including such a liability in his contract, this effectively limits the liability only to the value of the contract,” it argues.

It also draws attention to Explanation 2 to Clause 24 of the rules, which states the operator’s claim shall not exceed the actual amount of compensation paid by him up to the date of filing such claim. “By this clause, the accident has to take place, the compensation claim would have to be filed by the victims, should be settled and paid by the operator, all within the first 12 months of the operation of the plant, if the operator has to exercise his right to recourse. This is as good as no recourse at all,” it says.

Bias and injustice

An article in CPI weekly New Age focuses on the granting of bail to nine Muslim youths who spent five years in jail in connection with the Malegaon terror blasts. It asks: “Why do the government probe agencies not bother about the consequences of ‘falsely implicating innocent Muslims’?”

“Their lives are ruined and their families shattered because of the terror tag on them. Who could be the guilty? Is it the investigating agencies? Or was it the government itself? Or is it the mindset of a section that brands people belonging to a minority group as terrorists? Should we blame the media?” it asks.

It says that the Malegaon case is not an isolated incident. “In other incidents in Mecca Masjid, Nanded, the Godhra train mishap, the blast at an RSS worker’s residence, Modasa, Parbhani, Jalna, Aurangabad, Ajmer and the Samjhauta blasts, the bias against Muslim youth can be seen. There are about 225 Muslims, charged in 39 cases, languishing behind bars whereas these terror activities are the handiwork of the RSS,” says the article. It demands that all these cases be reinvestigated and the terror tags dropped.


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Rashtriya Rifles to move from J&K into Red zone
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The home ministry has moved the Union Cabinet for deploying Rashtriya Rifles units and inducting additional helicopters for logistics in Naxal-affected areas of the country particularly Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand and Maharashtra.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Rashtriya-Rifles-to-move-from-J-amp-K-into-Red-zone/Article1-776773.aspx


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^^ Is this troop reduction as a CBM in J&K through backdoor?


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http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... m-who-fell

Kishenji - The phantom who fell... Some nuggets and why nothing will change...

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Kishenji was among the first batch of Maoists to receive arms training from a fringe group of Sri Lanka’s LTTE.

Kishenji first worked in Andhra, and then shifted to Bastar in the mid-80s. He also worked in Maharashtra’s Gadchiroli (part of DK), leading guerilla squads. In 1993, he was made a member of the Central Committee (then known as the Central Organising Committee, the highest decision-making body of Maoists). He was also simultaneously put in charge of the Eastern and Northern zones. He is believed to have shifted base to West Bengal in 1995. Three years later, he entered Lalgarh and silently began working there among Adivasis. He was married to a Maoist commander, Maina, who is now the secretary of the Maoists’ Dandakaranya Special Zone Committee (DKSZC).

Kishenji also played a significant role in the merger of Maoist parties to form the CPI (Maoist) in 2004. In recent years, he had also established links with Northeast insurgent groups, particularly with the Ulfa, to establish bases in upper Assam. To this end, he had met Ulfa top commander Paresh Barua among other militant leaders.

Kishenji’s killing is part of the Government strategy to decimate the Maoist top leadership. The Government hopes the insurgency will die down if the top leadership is erased. But it won’t be so easy. Over the past few years, Maoists have suffered some big losses. But there are still senior leaders around who can hold the Maoist cadre together. That apart, leaders like Kishenji have, over the years, nurtured and trained a second line of leaders; Orissa-based Sabyasachi Panda is one such Maoist commander.

Around the same time as the Kishenji encounter, a team of doctors in Kolkata was conducting a medical examination of Soni Sori, an Adivasi woman arrested in Delhi on charges of being a Maoist. The exam clearly notes the presence of foreign bodies (probably stones) in her private parts and severe damage to her spine. This has busted the Chhattisgarh Police’s claim that she was not tortured in custody. While turning her over to the Chhattisgarh Police, the Chief Judicial Metropolitan Magistrate of Delhi had assured Sori that “not all police are bad”. Also, around the same time, urban outrage erupted over the slapping of Sharad Pawar (by Delhi resident Harvinder Singh)—with everyone from Congress chief Sonia Gandhi to the Prime Minister to Rajya Sabha MP Shabana Azmi voluble in their condemnation—but Soni Sori was forgotten. That’s perhaps why Kishenji’s death will make no difference. That’s why there will always be others to fight this war.


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http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/nation/the-phantom-who-fell

Kishenji - The phantom who fell... Some nuggets and why nothing will change...

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Around the same time as the Kishenji encounter, a team of doctors in Kolkata was conducting a medical examination of Soni Sori, an Adivasi woman arrested in Delhi on charges of being a Maoist. The exam clearly notes the presence of foreign bodies (probably stones) in her private parts and severe damage to her spine. This has busted the Chhattisgarh Police’s claim that she was not tortured in custody. While turning her over to the Chhattisgarh Police, the Chief Judicial Metropolitan Magistrate of Delhi had assured Sori that “not all police are bad”. Also, around the same time, urban outrage erupted over the slapping of Sharad Pawar (by Delhi resident Harvinder Singh)—with everyone from Congress chief Sonia Gandhi to the Prime Minister to Rajya Sabha MP Shabana Azmi voluble in their condemnation—but Soni Sori was forgotten. That’s perhaps why Kishenji’s death will make no difference. That’s why there will always be others to fight this war.


The tribal uprisings have always been on two major counts : extreme humiliatory treatment by exploitative biz-interests, and collaboration with these biz-interests by the uniformed regional wings of rashtryia coercion. The army perhaps has its own ways of maintaining "order" and a semblance of civility with civilians within operational necessities. Not so the local and regional uniformed goons - who practically get away with anything and everything as long as they look after the then existing regional political [and hence biz and hence criminal networks] interests - and all this under full protection by the state in the name of keeping up the "morale" of the police forces.

A lot of excuses are given about the so-called low-pay drive behind atrocious behaviour. But the fact of the matter is that there are a lot more people earning a lot less who do not indulge in such perversion and sadism. No, it s simply a case of no change from the colonial mentality when the uniforms served [under the ubiquitious so-called oath of loyalty] a foreign emperor or king against their own countrymen and perhaps felt themselves a cut above mere mortals.

The fact that regional uniformed forces indulge in practices that can in no way be justified even as interrogation techniques - has amply been proved. The famous Calcutta group which helped a woman relative of a suspected Naxalite transition into a state whereby two bodily passages fused into one because of repeated application of an iron rod - survived well - healthy and hearty, in service - with no consequence whatsoever.

I understand the supposed need for interrogation - intimidation, etc and whats better to break a woman on the subcontinent than by stripping her before a lot of starved male officers or pandus, and then subjecting her to all the fantasies these uniformed veers could not indulge in on their own family women! The subcontinental cultural milieu would ensure that the woman cracks - and cracks well. But when you know very well that the woman you have is just a relative without any tangible knowledge useful for you - that speaks of a superb mind that is thinking in terms of psychological warfare - of a mental torture on the absconding man you are trying to catch. But then surely that absconding man has to know and experience what is happening? So you do then have a channel of communication open to him with capacity to transmit vivid descriptions of torture etc? You have time for all that and still no time to catch the guy or liquidate him in an encounter? or you have him in your clutches already and you are using the special treatment of an innocent relative in front of his eyes to break him down? But then did you really need to go that far with the woman to prove your point? day after day -for such a long time that the fusion of the passages could happen? Or was it something else altogether? That you were merely using the situation to indulge in your private dreams of emulating Marquis de Sade's feverish imagination? Maybe you joined the uniforms only to enjoy that power over the bodies of helpless men and women and children? No excuses of "duty" please! This goes way beyond duty.

The Maoists are no saints. They hanged/tortured/maimed/killed. Some of them raped. But the big difference was that they had no state protection behind them covering up their actions in the name of protecting their morale. What the uniforms do on ground - generate reactions that sustain a bitter hatred of anything to do with the rashtra. There are disturbing signs that even if penetrated well, the movement is gaining recruits. My hunch is that kishenji's killing will lead to fresh recruitment. The more fresh blood gets in, the lesser will be the effectiveness of central undercover penetration of the org. Moreover people sent into the other camp - often switch sides and join those they were sent against- if your own ideological conditioning of them is not rooted in reality and fairness. His death could actually turn the wrong way for the planners of the encounter in the long run. They eliminated someone not playing the game according to the rules set already, and fine. But he appears to have been a charismatic recruiter and nurturer. His removal may give him a recruiting power he never had while still living. I am not sure that the "controllers" of the Maoist movement understand the fine point at which movements begin to gain mass character and start to grow. The coming months will show, but my assessment is that they are going to gain ground.

I don't know. My mind has always been against the Maoist method, and I blame the leaders who hail mostly from "forward caste" Hindus - for wasting several generations who might have otherwise have a sobering effect on mainstream politics. But from what I have seen of regional uniformed behaviour - I sometimes can no longer be sure that they do not deserve to be lynched into pulp as much as the Maoist leadership do. I abhor sadism in any form and I feel people who indulge in it should be made to be victims of their own fantasies and that society would be a much better place if they are eliminated.


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Kishenji’s end could be new beginning

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By all means, the November 24 killing of Kishenji, the third-ranking leader of the Communist Party of India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist) in West Bengal’s Jangalmahal area, is an achievement for the security forces. The usual allegations of the encounter being ‘fake’ by the Maoist bandwagon notwithstanding, the fact remains that in the war between the state and the extremists, the former’s policy of targeting the top leaders has met with a significant success.

The impact of Kishenji’s killing on the Maoist movement in the country has been debated upon. While a writer termed the death as the precursor of the end to the “third wave of the Naxalite movement in the country”, others have been vociferous in saying that this ‘serious setback’ does not essentially end the movement that seeks to overhaul the system of governance in the country. The movement has suffered several losses among its senior leaders in the past. But the CPI-Maoist has managed to quickly fill up the vacuum rather easily.

Even then, from an operational point of view, the killing of Kishenji constitutes a far more serious setback for the outfit than the earlier series of losses. Whereas most of the other neutralised leaders like Azad, Kobad Ghandy, Patel Sudhakar Reddy, Lanka Papi Reddy et al belonged to the Central Committee of the outfit and were essentially responsible for its political activity, for the first time the forces have been able to neutralise somebody so high in the organisational hierarchy of CPI-Maoist and much more importantly, belonging to its Central Military Commission (CMC) that oversees and implements the outfit’s military operations. Kishenji was almost single-handedly responsible for the uprising in West Bengal for the past couple of years. Maoists will still be able to replace him, but the process will take much longer than the earlier replacements.

The loss also gives the CPI-Maoist something to ponder over its strategy over peace talks. Way back in 2004, when the outfit conducted its famous peace negotiations with the Andhra Pradesh government, the Maoist cadres carried out open campaigns across the state organising public meetings and rallies to explain their activity in the state. They went on to recruit cadres and carry out extortion activities in complete violation of the spirit of the peace talks. However, the cessation of violence between the Andhra Pradesh police and the Maoists also provided the former an opportunity to gain significant insights into the movement in terms of its strength and dynamics. As soon as the peace talks broke down over the issue of surrender of arms in January 2005, the Andhra Pradesh police could use the information it had collected over the past months, to strike a series of bloody blows on the extremists. And that was, in short, the counter-Maoist success story in Andhra Pradesh.

Coming months would unveil whether the same method had been duplicated in West Bengal in the past several months when the Maoists and the state government did attempt to play out a ‘peace process that never took off’. It is difficult to premise whether Kishenji’s killing was the result of a meticulously planned operation or the maverick extremist leader simply fell due to his fetish for being overtly media- friendly and thereby giving away his possible location. In fact, Kishenji had been previously castigated by the Maoist top leadership for being far too accessible to journalists and had been instructed not to use mobile phone. In any event, senior security officials in West Bengal had mentioned privately that they used the ‘period of no operation’ to collect intelligence about the movement and its leaders. It is not unlikely that this ‘wealth of information’ came for good use once the state Government lifted its restrictions on the operations against the extremists, following the killing of party workers of the Trinamool Congress.

The removal of Kishenji is an opportunity for the West Bengal government to consolidate its hold in the Jangalmahal area. The government of Mamata Banerjee now must get down to the task of reviving governance in the area and address the issues concerning the alienated tribal population, among whom Maoists have found not just silent support, but also a steady stream of cadres. It is also a time for the Rural Development Ministry to unveil a development plan for the area. And more importantly, the huge number of security force companies stationed in the state must now be put to effective use to deal with the demoralised extremists.

In a nutshell, it all boils down to the pace at which the Government can consolidate its hold over the area vis-à-vis the accelerated efforts of the Maoists to recoup and regain control.


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Selling out to the US

The CPM has gone hammer and tongs against the government over FDI in retail in its weekly People’s Democracy. The editorial claims that the Congress violated the spirit of parliamentary democracy by announcing this decision when Parliament was in session. It says that the Congress, while it was in opposition, had objected to similar policy decisions being announced when Parliament was on — like P. Chidambaram’s privilege motion against the V.P. Singh government in 1989 for the decision to establish National Rifles and Santosh Mohan Deb’s motion against Prime Minister Vajpayee in 1999 for announcing the resignation of cabinet ministers outside the House.

On the question of FDI in retail, it says that various studies have shown that the entry of supermarket giants would lead to a fall in prices and that the increase in employment is a myth. It quotes a 2004 report of a committee of the US House of Representatives saying that “Wal-mart’s success has meant downward pressures on wages and benefits, rampant violations of basic workers’ rights and threats to the standard of living in communities across the country.” It claims that the decision reflects a commitment made by Prime Minister Mahmohan Singh to US President Barack Obama, and that it only facilitates profit-maximisation for international capital at the expense of the Indian people and the Indian economy.


why subsidise diesel?

Petrol prices continue to rise while diesel continues to be heavily subsidised — a People’s Democracy article sniffs a scam here. While petrol prices have been de-controlled, diesel prices continue to be fixed by government at relatively much lower rates, it says. While it acknowledges the argument that diesel is used by farmers and the railways, the article says: “Of late, an entirely different class of people, middle class and wealthier owners of diesel-powered personal vehicles and automobile manufacturers are benefiting from this subsidy, entailing a huge transfer of money to these sections and a massive loss to the exchequer and to oil marketing companies.”

It says that the sales of diesel cars have soared over the years — from only 4 per cent of all four-wheeler sales a decade ago to 30 per cent of all passenger vehicles now, expected to go up to around 50 per cent in the next few years. “Demand for passenger vehicles has roughly doubled in the past decade, but within that, demand for diesel vehicles has gone up by a shocking 430 per cent,” it says.

The article agrees with the recommendation of the Expert Group on Viable and Sustainable Pricing of Petroleum Products chaired by former Planning Commission member Kirit Parikh, that “in order to offset the loss to the exchequer and to provide a level playing field to users of both petrol and diesel driven vehicles, an additional duty of around Rs 80,000 be charged and remitted to government on each diesel passenger vehicle up-front at the time of sale.”

Still neo-liberal

CPI journal New Age discusses the “deepening” world economic crisis, and says that India, having pursued neoliberal economic policies, cannot be saved from the vagaries of the international system. It says that the government, which had been arguing that the crisis would have no impact on the Indian economy, has now changed its tune, attributing inflation to the international situation.

While the manufacturing sector grew only by 2.7 per cent in the second quarter of the current fiscal, the mining output declined by 2.9 per cent and agriculture growth slowed down to 3.2 per cent from 5.4 per cent in the same quarter last year. “Obviously all this falsifies the tall claims about maintaining the GDP growth above 8 per cent. It is also going to be less than 7 per cent,” it says. However, instead of breaking away from the neoliberal path, “the government seems to be in haste to speed up the process of implementation of more and more retrograde economic ‘reforms’.”

“There are reports that the Congress and BJP are having behind-the-scenes talks for passage of many more retrograde laws like opening of the banking and insurance sector as well as pension fund to foreign investors and push through anti-labour laws. This is the real danger that can be ignored only at our own peril.”


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A new outfit???

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Following Kisheji's killing, in a joint statement signed by Maoist parties from Italy, France, Canada, Malaysia and the Philippines have condemned the killing and have reiterated that "the movement will continue, the revolution will continue", tacitly pledging their support to the cause.


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Indian tribals reject Maoists
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A refusal of villagers in India's Odisha state to accept Maoist demands to boycott a by-election and hold a strike suggest the tide is turning in favor of Delhi's initiatives to push back insurgent influence. The defiance is not all victory for Delhi; it mirrors peaceful protest methods villagers employ against government-sanctioned mining and energy projects that have impoverished and displaced thousands in the area.


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A refusal of villagers in India's Odisha state to accept Maoist demands to boycott a by-election and hold a strike suggest the tide is turning in favor of Delhi's initiatives to push back insurgent influence. The defiance is not all victory for Delhi; it mirrors peaceful protest methods villagers employ against government-sanctioned mining and energy projects that have impoverished and displaced thousands in the area.


No its not "centres" efforts. It is behind-the-scenes work of social-workers from a particular cultural affiliation not from the proselytizing branches of the Abrahamic.


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No its not "centres" efforts. It is behind-the-scenes work of social-workers from a particular cultural affiliation not from the proselytizing branches of the Abrahamic.

Yes, I was wondering what the reported meant by "Delhi". My parents have been serving with social service projects in Odisha for the past few years, and they use the facilities and help of all organizations active there, including "social-workers from a particular cultural affiliation not from the proselytizing branches of the Abrahamic." :lol: Its clear who the force behind the above anti-Maoist results are (certainly not "Delhi").


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Naxals hit IAF chopper in Dantewada


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An article in CPM weekly People’s Democracy claims the aviation industry is lobbying for a government bailout. It claims that ideas being discussed include getting oil companies to lower aviation fuel prices, reducing taxes on fuel, persuading banks to restructure debt and offer new credit on easier terms, and changing the rules to allow foreign airlines to bring in capital in return for equity are being discussed.

It claims that promoters and top executives of leading private airlines have met the prime minister in this connection and the PM is said to be inclined to intervene in their favour. It says that while the airline industry is an important part of the country’s infrastructure, fuel prices have a larger impact. “Directly and indirectly they affect every segment of the population, including the poor and the middle classes. Yet the government in recent times has been clear that it will not go back on its decision to reduce fuel subsidies by doing away with the administered pricing mechanism and will stick with its policy of adjusting domestic prices when international prices change. Nor will it forego revenues by cutting duties on fuel any further. Money, the PM is reported to have said, does not grow on trees,” it says.



It says that one of the reasons for the current “mess” in the aviation sector is the government’s open skies policy, which it thought would enhance competition, reduce prices and improve customer service. “One danger, however, is that competitive markets often result in failure” and says “when losses occur, governments should not intervene but should let markets work.”

Diluting ‘equity’

A People’s Democracy article focuses on the Durban climate agreement, saying that despite the talk of India having succeeded in inserting equity into the Durban Platform, in exchange for acquiescing to the new instrument, “there is in fact no mention in the DPEA of either ‘equity’ or the Kyoto principle of ‘common but differentiated responsibility(CBDR)’.” This is now being explained away with claims that the new instrument would be “under the convention”, thus implicitly endorsing the equity principle enshrined in the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change. The article says:”This argument, however, does not hold water. The convention certainly and explicitly recognises equity and CBDR. But the fact that the US could remain a signatory to the UNFCCC while opposing the Kyoto Protocol, and the fact that the Copenhagen Accord and Cancun Agreements drove a truck through the Kyoto firewall between developed and developing countries, also under the convention, shows that operationalising equity and CBDR is not a cut and dried matter.

“The very fact that there was not even a token mention of equity or CBDR, indeed that mention of these was actively resisted by the US and the EU, is indication that these principles are consciously and deliberately sought to be kept out,” it says. It also argues that “India requires to do far greater technical and analytical work to build solid justification and backing for any stand it wants others to take seriously.”

Small Change

Even as it demands the passage of the Lokpal bill in the winter session, the CPI believes the Lokpal will not make much difference in a class society and argues that a change of the system is needed.

The editorial in New Age takes potshots at Team Anna, the government and the BJP. It says that CPI leader A.B. Bardhan had told team Anna at Jantar Mantar that they had belatedly but correctly concluded that no movement can succeed without involving political parties.

It accuses the government of “deliberately creating confusion” over the Lokpal and alleges the BJP has been taking “contradictory positions” on the issues involved. The article repeats the Left’s argument that corruption is a by-product of capitalism, and thrives despite the many laws meant to check it. “Hence the fight against corruption... has to be linked with the fight for the change of the system,” it says.

Compiled by Manoj C.G.


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A few years ago, an IAF sergeant was killed in Dantewada forests when a bullet pierced through the chopper’s window and hit him.


Bloody Pakis.


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>>"social-workers from a particular cultural affiliation not from the proselytizing branches of the Abrahamic."

Excellent one :D


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Abhishek "Munshi" Premchand was a good dhimmi, no surprise there.

So was the Marxist Rahul Sankrityayan, though he was more sympathetic to Dharma than the other commies.


Yes, Rahul Sankrityayan was a super-Marxist. I bought a few books written by him recently. I will post some paragraphs when I read them. His "Volga se Ganga" is considered a great book. It has been translated into many languages.


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^^ I was impressed by his Sinh Senapati. It is a good read - vaishail vs Magadh though he does keep describing 'pingal kesh' (red/yellow hair?). iirc, implying 'Aryan' descent. However, stopped 'volga se ganga' as it seemed to me he was assuming too much and agreeing a lot with AIT. This was when I had started finding issues with AIT. I should have a copy of 'Volga se Ganga tak' somewhere. Been a long time since I read them.

Premchand - I dont see him as a dhimmi. He is describing the village/city life that he saw. He is not advocating any particular behaviour.


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^^ btw, the other two well-known Hindi authors who were greatly influenced by Budhism and adopted new names are Vatsayayan (Agyeya) and Kosalayayan. The events one goes through or the thoughts that influence one cannot be easily classified. Agyeya was with the HRA of Azad, and was part of a group making bombs (he was the 'chemist' of the group). Was arrested and spent 3 years in jail. Later he could not reconcile to Bose's view and fought against the INA. Real conflict there. It is hard to categorize and same would be the case with Premchand or others.


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rahul sankritayan was obsessed by gandhiji's goat milk drinking. then there was the blind belief in dialectic materialism, dynamics of a closed mind are always off putting.


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^^ he was also expelled from the "party". In the latter half of his life he changed over more to Theravada Buddhism. He spent the last 20 years of his life working on Sanskritik and early Tibetan manuscripts. He also brought back a huge amount of copies of older texts from Tibet and donated it to Bihar Uni. Last I knew they were not very well maintained.

His most well know works are the works also popularized by the communist propaganda and the p-secular publicity. His later works have not been published or popularized. Kamala ji has tried but these works will be difficult to push because they are not as "secular" or "Marxian".


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There are people who remain un-critical of their own conclusions in the past, and many of us continue to parrot what previous narrators have foisted on us. Especially where it concerns carefully constructed public versions of what we are required to believe as marxists, or muslim, or hindu, christian, or buddhist or a post-colonial Indian.

There are historical events, persons, we are required not to look back in critical questioning, or re-explore conclusions that have been developed through an active mutual collaboration [sometimes also competitive] between narrators and the state.

We all start out with what we were taught and given out as facts from figures we trust and respect. Hence it takes a lot of intellectual courage to re-explore them as well as the very narrators for conscious or subconscious sources of distortion.

Rahul Sankrityana at least started this process on himself. Most others do not have the guts to do so.


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Thanks Brihaspati ji for the additional information on the Mahapandit Sankrityayan. Which are the later books/writings you are referring to?


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