Bharat Rakshak

FBW failure? Must be Indian software coolies

Hey shiv..the day these coolies stop working ...the billions of dollars they send back to india and the amount which they earn due to outsourcing .. .. will dry up.....further , money will dry up from the pockets of govt of india ..and then of MoD...and then No toys to play with !! So ..even its their fault...today IAF might had lost one of them but its their money which has bought us this toy ....So MORALE of the story ...HAVE RESPECT ....Peace.. !!!!

FOR shiv :- you seem to be getting unpopular among trainees...They pick you more often than not...

variant of poe's law.

Hey shiv..the day these coolies stop working ...the billions of dollars they send back to india and the amount which they earn due to outsourcing .. .. will dry up.....further , money will dry up from the pockets of govt of india ..and then of MoD...and then No toys to play with !! So ..even its their fault...today IAF might had lost one of them but its their money which has bought us this toy ....So MORALE of the story ...HAVE RESPECT ....Peace.. !!!!

For nanhas who never read the excellent article on the incident being referred to: A Tale of two Hydraulic Systems

The author (now departed) is our very own Dr.Pisko's cousin. And in case you think he was some manual wielding geek babu, he won his Vir Chakra for action during the Battle of Longewala.

suryag, Kave Kamplex 72 is for good mujahids onlee. Bad mujahids (who moan about IAF's lack of maintainence of gora-owned FBW software) need to report to Kave Kamplex 420 for le-education.

New Delhi After negotiating for more than a year, India has firmed up an order with Russia for the purchase of 42 upgraded Sukhoi-30 MKI aircraft to strengthen its aging fleet. An agreement confirming this purchase will be signed during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to Russia starting Thursday.

While the Cabinet Committee on Security had taken a decision on buying 42 additional Sukhoi MKIs last year, negotiations have taken longer because India was also keen to include some of the features found in fifth generation fighter aircraft. Finally, the Russian side agreed to upgrade the SU-30 MKIs to its latest version known as ‘Super Sukhoi’ with additional characteristics.

The new version is expected to include a new cockpit, an upgraded radar and certain stealth features to avoid radar detection. Significantly, the upgraded Sukhoi-30 MKIs will be able to carry a heavier weapons load, especially the airborne version of the Brahmos cruise missile. India is also looking to upgrade most of its SU-30 MKIs in the long run.

While Russia may have lost out in the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft deal because of not being able to offer certain additional features, officials said, Moscow has assured New Delhi that it will roll out its best in upgraded SU-30 MKIs.

“The defence cooperation is robust and excellent. Our two countries have developed maturity that individual deals will not affect the ties,” said Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai while responding to a question on whether the MMRCA rejection will impact defence ties.

The deal, estimated at over Rs 20,000 crore, will be operational in three years with the first delivery expected in 2014 and the last by 2018. Once the 42 aircraft are inducted, the total strength of SU-30 MKI fleet will go up to 272. It may be noted that by 2017, India plans to phase out 120 MiG 21s and with the MMRCA still not a done deal, the SU-30 MKI fleet will be the mainstay.

All Sukhoi flights from Trishul stopped after crash, probe on:
After the crash of IAF Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft in Pune, all its flights from Trishul airforce station here have been stopped and all aircraft are being checked. "All the flights of Sukhoi has been stopped from here and checking of aircrafts is underway," Chief Administrative Officer of Trishul Airforce Station S K Bhatnagar said. "Crash of Sukhoi is not a common phenomenon. An inquiry is underway to ascertain the reason of the Pune crash," he said.

Nikhil, read the article, these 42 Sukhoi's probably cost $100 million each because of superior features from existing Sukhois like

1) New radar- may be IRBIS
2) strengthened undercarraige for carrying Brahmos.
3) Lower RCS, by redesigned Engine inlets etc. similair to silent eagle proposed by Boeing.

I think this 15000 crore to 20000 crore is probably due to the drop in Rupee value.

I think the total number is 232 and not 272. HAL 2007 order has not been verified.

contact for procurement of additional 40 SU-30 MKI was signed with M/s HAL in 2007

In order to arrest the declining force levels of the Indian Air Force (IAF), Ministry concluded a contract with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) in March 2007 for the supply of 40 aircraft `M' with associated equipment at an aggregate cost of Rs 9,036.84 crore. The aircraft were to be delivered in a phased manner between 2008-11.

I think the total number is 232 and not 272. HAL 2007 order has not been verified.

"The present protocol envisaged manufacture of an additional 42 aircraft by HAL, taking the total Sukhois for the IAF to 272 planes," Sharma told.

http://www.pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=55262Page 45 (Page 36 in the document) http://cdasecbad.ap.nic.in/sankalan/COM ... 0India.pdf
How Govt fools people - offset policy applies only when Govt directly purchases. If PSU purchases and re-sells to govt, then offset policy doesnt apply, since anything with PSU label is indigenous.

Interesting food for thought regarding FBW. It seems the pilots tried for almost 20 minutes to control the aircraft but were unable to do it to a point where they felt comfortable landing the plane.

Very strange though; these systems typically have a lot of redundant components. Depending on the age of the plane, degradation in the electronics can also cause such problems. Wonder if they have a bypass mode where the FBW is completely bypassed and the aircraft operates with stick and pedals.

...these 42 Sukhoi's probably cost $100 million each...

Interesting food for thought regarding FBW. It seems the pilots tried for almost 20 minutes to control the aircraft but were unable to do it to a point where they felt comfortable landing the plane.

Very strange though; these systems typically have a lot of redundant components. Depending on the age of the plane, degradation in the electronics can also cause such problems. Wonder if they have a bypass mode where the FBW system is completely bypassed and the aircraft operates with stick and pedals.

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So it's 40(1996 russia) + 10(1998 russia) + 140(2000 HAL) + 40(2007 russia*) + 42(2011 HAL)
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18 x Su-30MK-1 (Irkut) - later replaced by MKI (Irkut)
32 x Su-30MKI (Irkut)
10 x Su-30MKI (Irkut)

140 x Su-30MKI (HAL)
40 x Su-30MKI (HAL)
42 x Su-30MKI+ (HAL)
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Total: 272 x Su-30MKI
Attrition: 3

Former vice-chief of air staff, Air Marshal (retd) Bhushan Gokhale, said there was no need for alarm bells to start ringing following the crash of the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) Sukhoi-30 MkI fighter jet near Pune on Tuesday.

Expressing concern over the crash, Gokhale said, “Prima facie, the cause for the crash points to problems encountered with the control systems of the aircraft.”

The former IAF vice-chief felt the “technical snag” that the ill-fated aircraft is said to have encountered could point to problems in the control system of the aircraft. The control system comprises the auto pilot mechanism, the fly-by-wire system and other mechanical and electrical systems......

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Total: 272 x Su-30MKI
Attrition: 3
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Total: 269 x Su-30MKI
= 14 squadrons

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