Bharat Rakshak

Well technically Mujahids have always been Pakiarmy in mufti and have always had Paki army support. Air support has been less forthcoming. Paki mujahids differ from regular army in burial rights. Dead army men are sometimes accepted as dead Pakis. Dead mujahids are never accepted. But I digress.

Forget 28 tanks.

How will 200 mujahids destroy 1 tank? I mean what do you do to a tank? If a tank rushes at you at 50 kmph (or even 35 kmph for that matter) there is no time for heroics like jumping on and individually shooting all the optics or throwing a grenade in somewhere. Somewhere along the way they will need to be stopped by artillery, air power or dedicated anti-tank defences.

I am told that both sides of the Punjab-Pakjab border have "ditch cum bund" defences that ate fundamentally designed to stop tanks. The Paki side also has a network of canals that need to be forded for progress. When the shooting stopped in 1965 Indian forces were sitting just across the Ichogil canal looking at Lahore, but the Pakis had destroyed the bridges themselves.

At Asal Uttar the Pakistani armor was stopped by bogging the tanks down by breaching canals and them picking out the bogged-down tanks using a combination of Indian tanks and artillery. The Longewala story is well known, but if they had not been stopped the consequences may have been frightful. Once a tank force meets a good road they can advance 60 to 100 km provided logistics can keep up and there is zilch you can do about them unless you have anti-tank defences in sufficient numbers in place.

by seeing this war games...
how exactly it is simulating..? , i mean they will make 2 teams one is defending and another is attacking like this...?

When can I become a BRFOldie?
500

Yes Red Force and Blue Force. Or Aggressor and Defender

Can anybody please tell,what exactly was the 1st piece of Russian/Soviet military hardware inducted by the Indian Armed Forces.

The closest, but much distant, answer I've found searching for the past 2 hours was that India turned to Soviets following 1962, when in its expansion drive, it was unable to secure favorable agreements for Western systems.

Does it mean India had no Soviet hardware prior to 1962? even ones donated by USSR to a fledgeling democracy, as is the practice today?

Any help with the answer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

^^As far as big-ticket items are concerned my guess would be the PT-76 light tank ordered in 1962.

India's state policy for unclaimed dead bodies should be to cremate in a garbage incinerator.

Sort of reduce and recycle policy, no need to dedicate real estate for pig burials.

I recently read a report about Indian Military Intelligence Group MI 17 which analyses spy satellite images etc.... do we have any further insight into it?

Not necessarily. In former soviet Union and China, it is red that's considered the home force or defending force against the enemy blue (U.S, NATO). In our case we do consider blue as friendly. May be even from cold war times. And having a red flag on top of a tank does not mean it's representing the red force. It can just be like the red colour warning sign on a truck with wooden logs. So when you see that reg flag at the exercise, realize that it's a tank and you're in danger zone.

^^ thats fine .. but actually my doubt is like with out making any casualities how one can determine the victory/failure to one side..

there are senior officers who act as referees.

I think it works like this. It's not about casualties - the higher casualties side can win, but it is about getting the right men and equipment (and fuel and supplies) to the right place at the right time, responding to surprises and causing shock and awe on the other team.

X-posting from Nukkad

what is the safe altitude/speed for ejection from the fighters during accidents....
and how the pilots are trained for succesfull ejection with out injuries....

Gurulog

Can a combat aircraft be mid-air refueled at night? Is there such a thing....

Jimmy - the nomenclature is Blue Land and Red Land or Blue Land and Fox Land. Blue is self. Each side is given an objective or set of objectives and troops/assets are apportioned. There are exercise refrees to evaluate and judge the conduct of each side.

Another week goes by without the new birds flying

A primer on Aircraft Design:

http://www.dept.aoe.vt.edu/~mason/Mason_f/SD1VGs.html

AC130 gun ship night refuelling

is there any specific thread where Indian and foreign procurement policies are discussed; i mean technical terms, and not only the equipment details. For example, have we here discussed the procurement and offset policy for India.

- Mike.

mike look in the mil forum itself, earlier pages.

IT is 22nd already what is happening in bluru

Goundnut festival (kadalekayi parishe) happened a couple of weeks ago. People preparing for Sabarimalai now. Getting colder.

I find the tanks not accompanied by sufficient infantry. Assuming 14 BMP, 14*7=91 troops and I have an advantage in manpower.

First, I'll disperse my team. Fixed position against tanks is dangerous.

Secondly, I know the lay of my land. I’ll use my mujahids during peacetime to build trenches and dugouts and position. Atleast 10 times more positions than the number usually required. I’ll make them dig like crazy and pre-stock those positions with RPG & MMG rounds.

Thirdly, I'll divide my team into herders and butchers.

Fourthly, instead of defending the border, I'll let the column come in some distance. I know the inland approaches and I know the tank column also knows inland approaches via UAV/aerial recon. I'll have my herder team mine those approaches. Herder team carries mines and MMG to protect the miners.

Fifth, I'll position butcher teams forward of the herder teams. But they’re to stay silent and dug, or the penalty is castration. No radio communication. Butcher team carries RPG and MMG, and maybe some HJ/BS missiles.

Fifthly, only when Butcher teams hear tanks blowing up in the minefield are they to engage. Butcher team is to engage ONLY at the back of tanks and NOT front or sides. Set fuel, engine and ammo on fire.

The disposition then will be as follows -

(Tanks initial position) – (Butcher team – initially silent) - (Tanks later position) – (Herder team)
(Tanks engage minefield set by Herder team)
(Butcher team engages tank's vulnerable areas from behind)

Sixthly, destroy engineering/support/recce vehicles/teams first when the tank column stops. Cut the fingers. Forearm is useless without fingers.

Seventhly, change positions. Not more than a single volley allowed per position. Pre-stocked dugouts (second point) allow my men to move lightly.

Eighthly, have my machine gunners engage any troops that come out of BMP's to engage.

If the armoured column stops to clear me, I buy time for my larger defenses like Cobra choppers and TOW armed M113 to rush in, my objective is achieved.

If the armoured column bypasses me, then it’s the other mullah’s headache and not mine.

^^^ the above plan of action is plausible assuming that there is no artillery support with the Tank Group; no air support; and the UAV's and intelligence fail to identify the prepared positions.

then again to have such a control over the irregulars would almost mean that either the irregulars are army outside of uniforms, or that they have drilled like one, which would be a rare happening. If it is just rabble, then to whip them into shape, would require a long time gap prior to the defence operation. the only way to utilise the irregulars is in a 'irregular' way. Fixed area engagement, even if fixed defences are not utilised, requires superb battlefield control.

The only way to fight here would be to engage this armour within built up area. So option is to withdraw to nearest town, or in desperate situation even village.

Alternatively, if the idea is to buy time, then as an irregular force, set up dummy strong points and a ghost armour to make the enemy armour waste time and ammunition. If this positioning of ghost armour is on the flanks, then will also serve to entangle the formation. Then set up interdiction points, wherein the armour is continuously harassed. Would again require a experienced officer corps.

Another option is instead of a prepared defence with inter-lapping defence, a one shot idea might be to construct a village or fortifications, lure the armour formation, hold or try to hold at the village, and attack with suicide bombs, cars etc waves from the sides or behind if possible. Hammer and anvil. Losses would be high for the irregulars, but then they signed up for this.

- Mike.

Pilots should make the trip to Sabarimala in LSP7 &/or NP1

So much is being said about the Read Estate bubble in China. A weakening of Chinese economy could have both good and bad implications for India.
Is there a thread here in BR on Chinese economy (especially the problems of it)?

You might want to check the technology and economic forum. We have a vibrant thread on the Chinese economy with a good deal of participation from the Chinese themselves . The older thread has been closed down as it reached 100 pages. A newer one has recently been started. The thread is fairly informative .

^Thanks gakakkad

US Borden Institute publications on Military medicine:

http://www.bordeninstitute.army.mil/published.html

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FWIW, it is a US based site that doing the reporting.

Newbie question:

What is stopping / has stopped the Indian military taking over the government?

A rhetorical answer to that would be the same thing that stops you from breaking the law of the land, or raping your neighbors wife - respect for the law

morals and belief in democracy.

I suspect you asked this question on BR from an operational rather than philosophical/moral perspective. To the other responses I would add, also pragmatism, realism and a strong institutional desire to remain a professional fighting force(s). This is a very risky task in a country like India and several things have to go right for it to work. Its just not feasable and even if it went flawlessly would severely impact their ability to do their main role. Can I emphasise, there is ZERO desire amongst the forces for a takeover. Its not even crossed their minds.

What kind of bombs are secured by clutch like this ? I've never seen something like this in use before.

The Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) GBU-31 is a tailkit under development to meet both USAF and Navy needs, with the Air Force as the lead service. The program will produce a weapon with high accuracy, all-weather, autonomous, conventional bombing capability. JDAM will upgrade the existing inventory of general purpose and penetrator unitary bombs, and a product improvement may add a terminal seeker to improve accuracy. JDAM can be launched from approximately 15 miles from the target and each is independently targeted.



Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) GBU-29, GBU-30, GBU-31, GBU-32

It was an open question from my side. I wanted to know what the Gurus thought. Thanks for all of your replies.

Lots of info on mortars etc:

http://www.inert-ord.net/index.html#home