Bharat Rakshak

^ Well the sky over urban areas in India is seldom blue so may be switching to grey makes sense.

Get your point. But they could make it more pleasing to the eye like the western aircraft. But then again as Rahul pointed out we are yet to see a pic of a complete version of the LCA cockpit.

Agreed. But let's get out first customer using it and then the bells and whistles can be plugged into the production a/c.

nope.. wrong. we can't spend like that, and change is not easy. The reason why big giants like boeing and lm are into virtual reality.

Sir ji, i think that is the Mig-29 SMT cockpit.

The IN mig-29k cockpit should be this one:

Nik Hi, Are these Samtel MFDs, They look lil big as used to see in SU30MKI. The config looks awesome..

Yeah that must be the Mig-29SMT or MMRCA which came to bangalore , I am told the Russian Mig-29SMT has a grey cockpit colour , prolly the odd one out for them

PAK-FA should compare with



or



but .... must beat:

Please note the minor details, but very important in terms of ergo and ease of use.

eg: joy stick is much more hold-able for the user sake - also look angle and position.

Rafale - couple of displays are to right or left.. imho, is a poor design in terms of line of sight hindered by the joy sticks or other obstructions.

but what is advantageous for Ef, is a lack for others..

bottom line, the pilot should not peep or bend or adjust himself for viewing display.. it should be without obstructions.

The way PAK-FA cockpit looks now it would look similar to F-35 cockpit



I think some cockpit might appear eye candy to a lay observer but may not be functionally as useful , while F-35 or PAK-FA cockpit might not appear eye candy to lay observer but could be functionally very useful to pilot. JMT

Perhaps AMCA could do a Joint work on this..

I don't think so- otherwise why were HF-24 Marut's cockpit coloured light gray inside ? They were our own aircraft and the IAF was already exposed to the MiG-21 and the teal coloured cockpits. If such a theory was considered acceptable by the IAF, they'd have applied it to all their aircraft..after all it was only paint!

yup, you're right there..but the point was that the MiG-29K has a light gray interior and not a teal coloured one.

Couple of things about this whole color business:

1) I feel any lightish color that is easy on the eyes would work.
2) The teal color seems to bring out the contrast between the instrumentation and the frame more pointedly. Perhaps that makes a difference to russian flyboys.

Colors aside, I am impressed by the design of the Marut cockpit. Feels so roomy and uncluttered unlike the Mig's and Su's of the day. Now the SDRE's didn't have access to any technology that the Russkie's didn't. So the argument that Russian cockpits had a cluttered and confusing look because of inferior technology compared to western aircraft doesn't work in this case.

The Tu-142 and Il-38 have a teal colour cockpit same is the case with Kamovs in IN service.

agree with that.

edited: which one is this?
http://aviacaogeral.com/wp-content/uplo ... as-03a.jpg

in disbelieve on the finish quality of cockpit here.. the ergo is cool, except few adjustment on the position of joystick that might hinder visibility to display.

Are you sure that is the nLCA? The HUD/UFCP don't look anything like what was on older models.

dunno,.. but I would be damned if it is bundar!

^^^^ Thanks. That's from a Brazil based site. I think the author is mistaken The MFDs look way too big and the smart stand by displays are gone.

Looks like a modified version of this. I think it's Chini/Puki Thundaaaar. And I hate to admit looks much more aesthetically pleasing than LCA cocpit with its dinky MFds, bulky UFPC and antiquated HUD

huh! it does not deserve a big image then.. I am editing my original post.

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added later:

now, it is parasun..
http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/2009/1 ... -down.html

I support the rafale style of mounting the central MFD higher up just below the HUD - thats the venue for both ground map moving and probably A2A/A2G attack mode as well...makes sense to place it where the pilot can minimize his look downs.

I dunno why the "switch panels" beneath the HUD in Tejas is given so much prominence and importance...its not as if they unlock and fire the DeathStar weapon in the general direction of the enemy.

the Rafale cockpit seems to have 75% LESS switches than Tejas..yet it flies and flies well. look at it there's almost nothing
http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachme ... 1309021329

tejas cockpit.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-p_wkBUXCRHE/T ... 8%2529.jpg

imo in Mk2 Tejas they should
- minimize or get rid of that protuding panel below the HUD
- get a frameless EF style much bigger HUD in
make the side MFDs larger and engulf whatever the triangular panels both sides of the HUD are doing presently
- generally declutter the busy look of the cockpit...it has a lot of knobs and switches for sure...like any 4th gen fighter

EF also hsa a fairly old style cockpit. given the Rafale is 10 yrs behind the JSF in time, the french designers did a superb job imo in predicting where the future was - giant MFDs and touchscreens and backing it as a big bet. perhaps having sextant avionique as a national resource helps them predict better...perhaps they are just Mahdi's followers in keeping things simple and clean

^^^ That is not LCA but Mig29 cockpit

That's a Pilatus PC-21 cockpit. Bundar's twin seater version is not yet ready AFAIK.

and I wonder how pilots are supposed to deal with 20 white buttons around each MFD when he is busy

I stand corrected by Gurneesh about the Tejas cockpit. if the pic below is the real thing, it looks ok so long as they minimize or get rid of the huge "CRT oscilloscope" thing protuding below the HUD and change the HUD to a wide FOV frameless kit..
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-i8xqIQuUWII/T ... 4%2529.jpg

changing the canopy to a F22 style bubble canopy would be a good move too. I heard it a complex piece of engg to make such canopies in single piece - we can seek such bideshi tech via the MRCA offsets and offsets on american deals like M777.

Sorry, I dont know the make of those but yeah, it looks good.

Sriman boss, you are right on the money.

IMHO that is not a CRT but a monochorme LCD. Something similar to this:



This shows the cockpit lit up which seems to support that.

High time ADA/HAL designed an AJT around the Kaveri. With experience from the LCA dont think this should be such a difficult task. Plus it would be great to see the Kaveri put to use in actual operations. Would be a major boost.

The "will" must come from ADA-HAL. good wishes though.

Russia to Field Air-Launched Missiles for Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA by 2014
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"The development of Kh-35UE (AS-20 Kayak), Kh-38ME, Kh-58UShKE (AS-11 Kilter), and RVV-MD (AA-11 Archer) class missiles will be completed in 2012-2013," Obnosov said, adding the missiles were currently being tested.

Some of the missiles intended for the fighters -- such as Kh-31PD (AS-17 Mod 2) class missiles -- have already been tested using Sukhoi Su-34 (Fullback) fourth-generation strike aircraft and put into serial production, he added.

The Kh-35UE tactical anti-ship missile has a maximum range of 260 kilometers; the supersonic Kh-31PD anti-radiation missile for use against air defense systems, can fly up to 250 kilometers; the Kh-58UShKE missile, designed to destroy pulse radars, can hit targets within 245 kilometers, and the short-range RVV-MD air-to-air missile has a maximum range of 40 kilometers.
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> the supersonic Kh-31PD anti-radiation missile for use against air defense systems, can fly up to 250 kilometers; the Kh-58UShKE missile, designed to destroy pulse radars, can hit targets within 245 kilometers

sounds like good stuff for our MKIs. existing stock of KH31P can be handed own to the Mig29upgs to hit more tactical radar targets like the SP SRSAM/SPAAG units the chinese have on tracked and trucks.
http://ericpalmer.files.wordpress.com/2 ... ag-2s1.jpg
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-Div- ... ocId173500

take a look at the LD-2000 - sounds like something that could produce in volume

Sweet! It's high time our considerable Russian missile inventory got an update. The Kh-31PD and Kh-58 sound especially useful keeping chipanda S-300s in mind. The RVV-AE replacement is also essential. I guess if we decide to buy these, their integration with the MKI would have to be part of the Super-30 upgrade.

News say that

is it a reporting error...or they are ready to pull the plug.

with suitable avionic and mission computer sw update I see no reason why even the existing MKIs cannot fire these new weapons esp the A2G strike missiles.