Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 2012

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 27 Jan 2012 00:19

I read an article about 10 yrs back by a Yale 'prafessar' of History.This guy was special assistant to Frank Wisner,the US Ambasador to India in early 90s.I was impressed by his understanding of Hinduism(and my meagre understanding of Hinduism).I was put off by his u turn when he came to the Congress-djinnah times.I dont remember the name of this guy but 400% sure he was 'prafessar' of hystery at Yale and special executive assistant to Wisner Jr.If someone can find the name of this guy and the essay,it will give insights into American thinking.

Not that we cannot understand the anxieties,fears of amirkhans and their perfidies which comes part from imperial status quo and part from christist caucasian racism.While we can never expect humans or human societies(including our own) to be perfect,if one can find that article/essay it will give a gleaning of 'official' amirkhans view of India and India-pak.

It went something like this.The Hindu view of Brahman is an ever expanding circle of consciousness which includes lesser truths but the hindoos are very bad people because they could not accomodate diversity- thats djinnah and his minions.

It encapsulates the fear of Anglo-americans that Sanatana Dharma is based on profoundest truths of human existence but hindoos have to be shown to be unaccomodating,domineering,undemocratic,add all the bad words you can borrow from weasel,al-powel,kiss-assinger etc.

This is with refer to conspirator-guru,Hakim sahibs and bhishma pitamahas comments on amirkhan thinking.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Jan 2012 00:26

Ainslee Embree?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Jan 2012 00:27

pankajs wrote:Pakistan wants to work with India: Gilani
Earlier in his address, Gilani said Pakistan has been hit by "horrible" droughts and floods last year and sought a "global fund" to tackle the climate risk issues."It (climate change) is quite visible in my country. We have suffered both drought and heavy rains in past one year. It was horrible, not just by our estimates but also as per the estimates of World Bank and Asian Development Bank," Gilani said."There has to be global solution to these problems. The first step we can take is establishing a global fund to tackle the climate risk issues and Pakistan would be happy to partner," Gilani said.{By partnership I suppose he means pakis are ready with the begging bowl}...]
"If the glaciers in Himalayas melt, there will be huge floods in Pakistan," he said adding that Pakistan has taken some steps by creating a disaster management cell which he himself was overseeing.

Koi Lautta de mere khairat wale Din
Khairat wale Din,Full Lotta till Chin
Mere Bichhre Kaffir Awuliya Sarre
Aaj Main Dhoondo ek Nya Viktim
Koi..

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Jan 2012 01:08

Lices and Mices Vs Roaches and Termites
Lawyers’ ethics

WHEN a few lawyers chose to attack and deride Aitzaz Ahsan for defending Yousuf Raza Gilani in the Supreme Court where the prime minister had been summoned they betrayed another streak of intolerance that some of them have been displaying since their movement of 2007-2009.According to media reports, the hecklers were not content with shouting anti-Aitzaz slogans on the court premises, they also raised a familiar chant in solidarity with the honourable chief justice of Pakistan. The implication was clear — that Aitzaz Ahsan had turned against the chief justice. In other words, they transformed the head of the judicial hierarchy into a party to an issue before the court. Such unwise friends of the judiciary cause it much greater embarrassment and harm than the effects of principled dissent.Hazy recognition of a solemn principle because for one thing the counsel so arranged is often not one of the defendant’s choice and, for another, the state does not recognise a poor citizen’s right to a counsel at its expense unless he takes a fellow being’slife. Even the war criminals arraigned before the Nuremberg tribunal were not denied defence, in theory at leastWe had an attorney-general who defended a murder accused before a sessions judge in Lahore and another attorney-general-cum-law minister who appeared for a party in a rent case and before a judge whose status could be altered by him.
Nobody has raised his eyebrows at seeing a former high court chief justice and another former judge who retired many years ago donning lawyers’ gowns to defend the killer of Salmaan Taseer. Nobody has questioned Akram Sheikh’s right to represent a person whose culpability for maligning the government and the armed forces of Pakistan both is patently on record and which needs no corroboration

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Jan 2012 01:24

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/2 ... 32250.html
Carve Out Balochistan From Ally Pakistan To Beat Taliban

Gohmert argued that, far from being broken, the Taliban are feeling powerful enough to demand that members of the Northern Alliance apologize before the United States leaves in 2013. "If you look at the objective facts ... they're not on the run," Gohmert said.
is solution was first to supply more arms to the Northern Alliance. But then, he said, the Afghan border with Pakistan needs to be shored up."Let's talk about creating a Balochistan in the southern part of Pakistan," Gohmert told The Huffington Post, referring to a region of Pakistan that constitutes nearly half that vital if troublesome ally."They love us. They'll stop the IEDs [improvised explosive devices] and all the weaponry coming into Afghanistan, and we got a shot to win over there," said Gohmert, who accused Obama's national security advisers of giving the president bad intel on Afghanistan.
"His strategy of working from ignorance and thinking we have them on the run is no way to go through life, son," Gohmert said. "I'm about to borrow from an 'Animal House' line, but anyway, that's no way to go through life when you're that ignorant of what's really going on."The White House did not answer a request for comment, and Gohmert's office did not elaborate on how the United States could even discuss carving off Balochistan from a country that is both an ally and a nuclear power. United States recently has been talking about a truce with the Taliban. Gohmert, a member of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security, characterized such efforts as begging, backed by an offer to "let all these Taliban murderers" go free.

( Do Naat Miss the Video in theLink)

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 Jan 2012 05:19

Jhujar wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/2 ... 32250.html
Carve Out Balochistan From Ally Pakistan To Beat Taliban

Jhujar ji,

It will be great if there were to be a many more Senators, Representatives and Presidential Candidates who pick up this line as their prime strategy to solve War in Afghanistan, especially now in the election year. There should be some concerted action to reach them.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 27 Jan 2012 06:54

wrt baluchistan,
It looks to rosy to talk about its independence.
Can it be a reality??
it will be difficult to be a viable state considering its present state.
Low population.(6.6 million vs 170 million in mainland).
vast lands to guard against pakisatan.
even if khan supports it, pakisatan army is its neighbour with superior military compared to its ragtag army.
weapons are better. pakisatan is its neighbour with easy access to scr*w balochis.

Positives are it will give a fillip to further divide pakisatan and contain it.
But overall it will be a bloody messy affair with balochis at receiving end either way within or without pakisatan.

I have not factored into Iran which will not also take kindly to balochis independence.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Jan 2012 07:16

Cheene Maal ka Kamaal , Lahori Ficker about Ticker
Pakistan heart drugs: Lahore death toll reaches 100

More than 100 people have now died in Lahore after taking contaminated heart medicine, Pakistan officials have said.The deaths, which span a three-week period, are linked to a batch of faulty drugs given to up to 40,000 cardiac patients at a government-run hospital.Another 250 people remain in hospital while an investigation into the situation gets under way.The owners of three local drugs companies alleged to have supplied the contaminated drugs have been arrested.Government official Shahbaz Sharif said the victims tended to be poor people who had received the drugs free, the news agency AFP reported. He said action would be taken against anyone found guilty.Samples of the drugs had been sent to laboratories in Pakistan, London and Paris for testing.The deaths caused panic in the city less than three months after a dengue fever epidemic.Officials have warned that the batch of contaminated drugs might have been distributed to nearly 40,000 people since 15 December. They say that patients affected by the substandard drugs suffer a rapid depletion of white cells and blood platelets.Suffering familiesThe symptoms - first noticed in late December - created an impression that patients were suffering a form of dengue fever, a mosquito-borne disease common in Pakistan during the monsoon season, officials say.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 27 Jan 2012 07:38

A gift from tallel to Pakbarics..long live PRC-TSP friendship!!!

Would do wonders to image of PRC in TSP. Knowing how much gratitude Unkil has earned for $20b++, PRC would fare that much worse..

What are the brave mard-e-momin of Kiyanahin going to do about this? This is more than four times the toll that Unkil gifted to them at the border..

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Jan 2012 07:41

pankajs wrote:Pakistan wants to work with India: Gilani
Pointing out that Pakistan has "excellent" relationship with India, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Thursday said cooperation between the two to tackle climate change was "doable".

Yes, Pakistan wants only selective engagement with India where it would be most beneficial to it even while sponsoring more and more terrorism against us. Our minions would 'seize' such opportunities to highlight benefits of Aman. There is a crowd waiting on our side of the border and Gilani knows that and they are the ones he is targetting. The use of the 'excellent relationship" phrase is targetted at them. Contrary to emerging belief here, there is no peace-loving crowd on the other side.

What can TSP bring to the table to tackle this climate change ? Any measure taken or any research done would be purely Indian and Pakistan would only benefit from them. Again, like the Muslim League getting Pakistan on a platter after all the hard work by Indian leaders for Independence.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 27 Jan 2012 07:44

Krisna,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_by_population

Out of more than 200 countries, of world, Balochistan will be around 100th by population. not bad eh...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Jan 2012 07:52

Where is the linkage between China and the Lahore heart drugs ? I don't see any.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 27 Jan 2012 08:01

Sridhar ji I did a quick search before posting my remark..

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 012_pg13_8

especially the manufacturers and pharmaceutical companies involved in this issue, the parliamentary secretary informed that the ‘raw material’ used in the said medicine was imported from China and Dubai

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 27 Jan 2012 08:06

Virupaksha wrote:Krisna,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_by_population

Out of more than 200 countries, of world, Balochistan will be around 100th by population. not bad eh...

Nope, it is to be viewed in relation to pakisatan and Iran as its nearest enemies with physical contact.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 27 Jan 2012 08:22

If Unkil tells TSPA any single hair fall on a Balochi will mean back to cave era for TSP, it will surely happen. But will Unkil do that? The very fact that this idea has gone beyond some jingo posts in BRF to a Congressman talking about it, means a lot. India has to throw its weight covertly behind this effort...and Balochies (BLA) have to convince Iran that they will not be disturbed. PRC can be bought over with mineral rights.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Jan 2012 08:31

Suppiah wrote:Sridhar ji I did a quick search before posting my remark..
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 012_pg13_8
especially the manufacturers and pharmaceutical companies involved in this issue, the parliamentary secretary informed that the ‘raw material’ used in the said medicine was imported from China and Dubai

Suppiah ji, thanks. Now, it is clear because the BBC link that was posted had no reference to China at all. The contamination from Chinese intermediates will not be surprising because China itself is plagued by thousands of deaths caused by poor quality drugs. Chinese drug companies close shops whenever US FDA officials plan a visit. It is these unsafe drug Chinese manufacturers who have shunted out Indian drug manufacturers out of China and have denied access to reputed Indian drug companies there. They have also been exporting poor quality and fake drugs under 'Made in India' tag to African countries.

Now, the Pakistanis have to invent reasons to save the H&D of the Chinese. Such are the wages of sin. Let us see what they come up with.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Jan 2012 08:34

SSridhar wrote:
pankajs wrote:Pakistan wants to work with India: Gilani
Pointing out that Pakistan has "excellent" relationship with India, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Thursday said cooperation between the two to tackle climate change was "doable".
Yes, Pakistan wants only selective engagement with India where it would be most beneficial to it even while sponsoring more and more terrorism against us. Our minions would 'seize' such opportunities to highlight benefits of Aman. There is a crowd waiting on our side of the border and Gilani knows that and they are the ones he is targetting. The use of the 'excellent relationship" phrase is targetted at them. Contrary to emerging belief here, there is no peace-loving crowd on the other side.

What can TSP bring to the table to tackle this climate change ? Any measure taken or any research done would be purely Indian and Pakistan would only benefit from them. Again, like the Muslim League getting Pakistan on a platter after all the hard work by Indian leaders for Independence.

Sridhar, it appears to me that Pakistan's equation with India has changed from Pakistan saying "We will take Kashmir from you" to "We will not give you peace unless you give us Kashmir" to "We both desire peace but we cannot give you peace unless you make some concessions for us in terms of Kashmir"

India's stance has been that Pakistan will not get Kashmir. By war or in peacetime. Period.

Gradually the rhetoric on Kashmir and the references to Kashmir have dried up. From an "up front demand" Kashmir has been relegated to a background desire, to be brought up at any time, but nevertheless a background desire. This has nothing to do with any Paki desire to give up on Kashmir. To me it indicates internal pressure in Pakistan that has made talking about Kashmir politically costly for Pakistan. Imran Khan, JuD and even Gilani (or was it Zardari) have spoken the K word but by and large it is no longer the primary issue of focus if only because internal turmoil in Pakistan has made it inconvenient to follow a loud policy of trying to trip India up on Kashmir. Why has Pakistan gone quiet on Kashmir? I suspect that Pakistan had built up a body of world sympathy (US/UK/Japan/ummah) on the Kashmir issue by labelling Hindu India the aggressor against Muslims of Kashmir. But that sympathy has been frittered away after the war on terror started, followed by 26/11, killing of Salman Taseer, shia and Ahmedi deaths etc. Pakistan is no longer able to leverage Islam as an excuse because Pakistan stands accused of exposing the worst of Islam. Islam does not get sympathy any more and Pakistani howls about Muslims in Kashmir are now causing yawns more than concern.

In a sense, India's long standing aim of getting the Pakis to talk about other things "multidimensional engagement" and not letting "Kashmir get in the way of other links" has gone some way towards fulfilment. This is not because of any love being felt in Pakistan, but they have been forced/cornered like rats into this situation.

What next? Should we "punish Pakistan" for deeds done in the past? This seems like a good idea because Pakistan has been punishing us for nothing. But once we start punishing Pakistan - they will have more reason to keep punishing us back so unless we "solve the problem" with one massive war we are unlikely to get any resolution. There seems to be only three options

1. Build up our defences against terror and do nothing more, but this will not spare us from terror
2. Conduct a massive war to "take Pakistan down" - I don't think that is feasible
3. Hit Pakistan with covert action - but this still does not solve the issue of Pakistan continuing to hit us even if it gives us the satisfaction of giving as good as we get.

The only remaining option is to somehow "convince" Pakistan that it is not in Pakistani interests to continue hitting us. What can be done in this regard? More on this later.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Jan 2012 08:43

Suppiah wrote:If Unkil tells TSPA any single hair fall on a Balochi will mean back to cave era for TSP, it will surely happen. But will Unkil do that?

No. I bet the Baluchis do not trust the USA simply because there is plenty of evidence that the arms and support that the US gave to the Paki army were used against the Baluchis. Musharraf is a US ally even if he squeezed US balls. But he killed Bugti. The US which was quite happy to see Baluchis dead (as they were quite happy to see Indians dead) as long as they imagined Pakis were doing their job are now suddenly squirming and thrashing about desperately. One person in US says "talk to Taliban" Another says "" Create Baluchistan". A third says "Get India to solve Kashmir" A fourth American says "We have no choice. We must work with Pakistan". This senator's statement means nothing. Zero. Zilch. No better than BRF saying it.

The US just does not know how to deal with Pakistan. To me that gives added respect to India that realised long ago what we are up against. We will have to deal with Pakis and may have to reach out to Baluchis, Pakhtuns and Afghans via a subdued Pakistan. But you cannot subdue Pakistan by arming and funding its armed forces. This is exactly America's self goal.

member_21708 · Post by **member_21708** » 27 Jan 2012 08:47

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -them.html

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 27 Jan 2012 09:16

Eight suicide bombers likely in Capital: Malik

Federal Interior Minister, Rehman Malik Thursday revealed intelligence eight suicide bombers have entered the twin cities of Islamabad and Rawalpindi as per intelligence reports, Geo News reported

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Jan 2012 09:22

SSridhar wrote: What can TSP bring to the table to tackle this climate change ? Any measure taken or any research done would be purely Indian and Pakistan would only benefit from them. Again, like the Muslim League getting Pakistan on a platter after all the hard work by Indian leaders for Independence.

SSridhar-ji
This whole "lets tackle climate change" BS is double-speak for re-negotiating the Indus water treaty and getting some kind of compensation from India for "lost waters". Also, this news article might be of relevance:

http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... dus-waters

Pakistan plans to challenge a decision of an UN agency to grant carbon credits to India on a hydropower project. According to Pakistani officials, India secured the carbon credits for its 45-MW Nimoo-Bazgo project without mandatory environmental impact assessment clearance from Pakistan. They criticised the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) for granting carbon credits without proper check, the daily Dawn reported Monday.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg3_5

Under the UNFCCC mechanism, carbon credits cannot be granted for a project having cross-boundary environmental impact unless cleared by the relevant countries. India must get the trans-boundary environment impact reports (TEIR) ratified for all upcoming and ongoing projects including hydroelectric dams. {Paki demand}

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDe ... 8110&Cat=6

Pakistan is all set to become the first country filing a lawsuit against the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) in the International Court of Arbitration (ICA) for awarding carbon credits to India on highly controversial Nimoo-Bazga Dam, sources said here on Tuesday.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Jan 2012 09:24

Suppiah wrote:Sridhar ji I did a quick search before posting my remark..
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 012_pg13_8
especially the manufacturers and pharmaceutical companies involved in this issue, the parliamentary secretary informed that the ‘raw material’ used in the said medicine was imported from China and Dubai

This ought to advertised and stressed upon every occasion.Whenever any Lahori Landdoo pop the pill in, the scene of Dojakh must flash in his eyes. The very fear will cause the heart attack.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Jan 2012 10:06

Attack on FC post near Sui claims six lives
BLA Cleaning Filth one by One

QUETTA: Gunmen killed five soldiers in a pre-dawn attack on a checkpost of the Frontier Corps in Dera Bugti district on Thursday. The banned Baloch Republican Army claimed responsibility for the attack and said its men had taken away an FC man, along with weapons.According to officials, the armed men attacked the checkpost in Kachhi canal area, some 20km south of the Sui gas filed, at about 4.30am.The attackers, armed with rockets and automatic weapons, opened fire on the soldiers after encircling the checkpost. The five soldiers, a non-commissioned officer among them, were killed on the spot.The officials said the checkpost caught fire after the attack and two of the FC personnel were burnt to death. The assailants took away four G-3 rifles, one light machine gun and other small weapons.
Security officials confirmed that one FC man was missing and said the bodies of five FC men, two of them burnt, were found at the scene.Soon after the incident, a heavy contingent of Frontier Corps rushed to the site and shifted bodies to hospital. The bodies were later sent to their native towns. They were identified as Abdul Rauf, Sher Jan, Abdul Wali, Ayaz Khan and Ghulam Haider.The officials said security forces had cordoned off the area and launched a massive search operation to arrest the killers.It was the fourth attack on FC personnel in Balochistan over the past two months. The earlier attacks had claimed the lives of over 45 security personnel.
Calling from an unknown place, Baloch Republican Army spokesman Sarbaz Baloch claimed that BRA had killed 10 personnel and taken away an FC man alive. “Our men also torched three government vehicles and snatched weapons,” he said.FP quoted a security official as saying that six soldiers had been killed. He said that at least 10 gunmen were involved in the attack. “They came on motorcycles and took away all the weapons after killing the six FC men,” he said.

(Check the picture,seems like WW2 artillery used by Poaqtoons )

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 27 Jan 2012 10:19

Another Gem. From the land of the pure with its continuing purification process.

NA committee recommends ban on “anti-Pakistan” words

ISLAMABAD: The National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Information and Broadcasting on Thursday recommended that no one would be allowed to speak against Pakistan in programmes telecast by private television channels.

It observed that words like “Pakistan will break” must not go on-air and use of such language should be completely banned.

Code: Select all

http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/26/na-committee-recommends-ban-on-%E2%80%9Canti-pakistan%E2%80%9D-words.html

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Jan 2012 10:31

Heart breaker: US says Pakistan cannot offer much in free trade

ISLAMABAD: The United States has said that a free trade accord is too big for Pakistan as there is no match between the economies of the two countries, says a top official of the commerce ministry.

In a briefing to a National Assembly panel on Thursday, Commerce Secretary Zafar Mahmood said the US instead asked Pakistan to seek unilateral trade concessions as the free trade agreement required both countries to provide relaxations and Islamabad could not offer much to Washington.{What about their largest export, Terror}

“Big countries do not strike FTAs with small countries,” Mahmood told the NA standing committee on commerce, headed by Engineer Khurram Dastgir Khan of PML-N.

He was responding to Kashmala Tariq’s question whether Pakistan had linked opening of Nato supplies with signing of FTA.

The US offered to establish Reconstruction Opportunity Zones in militancy-hit tribal areas close to the border with Afghanistan as a unilateral concession but the Congress has yet to ratify it despite a lapse of over six years.

“No country in the world has done what Pakistan did for the US in the fight against terror, but the government has failed to trade off sacrifices with trade concessions despite raising the slogan of ‘trade not aid’,” said Kashmala Tariq of PML Likeminded Group.

Mahmood’s comments are contrary to the ground realities as Pakistan and China have signed FTA which has been working for many years. The secretary had himself told the Senate standing committee on commerce that following the free trade accord with Beijing, Pakistan’s exports increased at a more rapid pace than the rise in Chinese exports to Pakistan.

However, the trade balance was in favour of China. Had there been no FTA, the gap would have been much wider, Mahmood commented at that time.

Missing container issue drags on

In the NA commerce panel meeting, officials of the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) spoke about investigations into the case of missing containers carrying Afghan commercial cargo and military supplies for Nato and US forces.

Hafiz Anees, head of FBR’s probe committee, said out of 19,000 Nato containers which were believed to have disappeared, 3,542 had been confirmed as “missing”.

Moreover, out of 157,736 US military containers, 77,884 containers have not reached border posts. Yet these containers could not be described as missing and a three-member committee was probing the matter, Anees said.

He said since 2002 the US had been given special privilege, exempting it from submitting goods declaration and the cargo was cleared through a unique system. However, “the matter has been taken up with the Foreign Office and the US may soon be asked to file goods declaration,” he added.

The standing committee expressed concern over slow pace of inquiry into the container scam. The FBR has estimated a loss of Rs55 billion in duties on commercial cargo while no assessment has been given about Nato and US containers.

A customs department official said Pakistan had also suspended supplies of US military cargo along with Nato cargo.

The standing committee summoned officials of the National Logistics Cell in next meeting to explain its role in the container scam. It also asked the FBR to give in writing which authority could give directives for blocking or unblocking of Nato supplies.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 27 Jan 2012 11:10

shiv wrote: No. I bet the Baluchis do not trust the USA

No, beggars can't be chosers. With not many backing them, BLA would have not much choice. Plus Unkil can always play it as a betrayal story, 'OMG! we never knew about it, why didnt you tell us earlier?'

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 27 Jan 2012 11:12

Jhujar wrote: This ought to advertised and stressed upon every occasion.Whenever any Lahori Landdoo pop the pill in, the scene of Dojakh must flash in his eyes. The very fear will cause the heart attack.

Why they will not pop the pill even if genuine - that would be a double disaster - pop you die, not pop you die as well...

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 27 Jan 2012 11:35

Here guys, "Propaganda/Sochta Pakistan" debates "Is US media a tool of shaping narrations?"

I'm jotting down the highlights of the show -

At 30:20 host, Moeed Pirzada, suggests that other then the US officials who leak to media houses, there are special interest groups (Yindoo/Yehudi lobby?) in DC that are behind this increasing anti-"Land of the Pure"ism in US.

Ahmed Qureshi (Chuha) takes this chance to express his concern that it is perhaps a Yindoo/Yehudi design for the reason that is taking the Amir Khans on a conflict path with the Land of the Pure.

After Amir Khan says that the US should continue improving ties with India even though it offends Pakistan, the Chuha (Ahmed Qureshi) goes ballistic and makes a totally OT remark at 36:33 (out of sheer inferiority complex) questioning that why does the US have a strategic relation with a country like India where highest no. of girl children are killed in the fetus.

I recommend everyone to watch Amir Khan's reply at both occasions. In the latter case 36:50, the Amir khan's reply leaves the chuha speechless.

I think we should take a screenshot of his facial expression at 37:09 and save it as a picture reference for some word's definition in the BRF Dictionary.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 27 Jan 2012 11:42

^^^^^^
True, baloochis don't trust uncle....
Also, an independent baloochistan will be too weak to survive,
and iran and pak will fight for its control.....uncle can't let it go to
Iranian sphere also......unless uncle decides to to set up a base there....
that'll be a whole new story.....

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 27 Jan 2012 12:14

ramana wrote:RajeshA, The Khakees got primacy for two reasons right from the beginging. Shaukat Hayat quoted by Ian Talbott says that the "The large West Punjab Muslim contingent in the Britsh Indian Army is a major reason for the Partition." IOW the Brits would not have decided on Partition but for the large armed forces component from that region. And the military knows that, they are one of the large unstated reasons for the Partition award.
Despite this the ball was snatched from their hands by the Civvies(claiming Muslim League etc got the award) right after Partition. Hence to get the primacy back they created the Kashmir issue so they are in the front seat and sometimes the driver seat. having taken the driver seat under Ayub khan and his ilk, the Army has became a vested interest in TSPA.

In TSP its Military-Civil Relations and not the other way around since 1947.

Ramana,
I find your explanation very convincing. So, historically speaking PA is a kind of rogue faction of British Indian Army.

I saw a bollywood movie on Bhagat Singh or Netaji(dont remember exactly) which depicts that one of the major reasons for the Brits getting ready to declare independence was their apprehension about the loyalty(or lack of it) of the British Army. Also, the Indian soldiers of British Army were inspired by the INA(formed by Netaji) and incensed at the shabby treatment meted out to them as prisoners of war.

So, the army(or more precisely the loyalty of indian soldier) which was the major tool in the hands of the brits in controlling the vast India had also played a decisive role in Independence struggle of India.

It just reiterates the history lesson that the one who controls the army, earns the right to rule.

People keep talking about rogue factions within Pakistan/PA/ISI. But, it seems like the entire PA is a kind of rogue faction of British Indian Army patronized by the brits. It seems that the PA has never grown out of this need for a maibaap. They keep searching for a new maibaap(patronizer) who would look after their needs, give them sense of self-respect by treating them as superior to the Hindus(they dont seem to have any inkling that self-respect can be had independent of bossing around on the Hindus), wink at their naughty deeds towards the Hindus, support and defend them when they put themselves in a tight corner.

Amirkhans played this role to a T. It was a match made in Heaven(or Hell, to an Indian).

I dont know what motivates the Amirkhan thinking. Let me imagine myself in Amirkhan shoes and try to understand their motivations.

We(Amirkhans) needed a vassal in this area who would do our bidding, without any moral, legal, social or political hesitations. There were 3 options: India, China and Pakistan.

There is little doubt that China, the neighbor of Soviet Union, had to be cultivated. But, China turned into a commie nation and as such was always a suspect. It can be used but not to be relied upon.

India was a good prospect, a promising one. A very vital geo-political location(land and seas), markets, raw-materials, and population(waiting to be exploited in various ways). There is little doubt that without the control of India, brits would never have been a force. And they will be relegated to the dustbin, now that they have lost the control of India. It was the reason we(Amirkhans) were very keen on the independence of India from the clutches of brits.

So, India is a good prospect as vassal. However, the commie talk of the regime and its tilt towards Soviet Union was disheartening(if not enraging). Their moral pretensions(going to the extent of trying to imagine themselves as morally superior and then trying to lecture us) got on one's nerves(especially since they were weak). Maybe, they dreamed of ancient times when they had a civilization going before they were defeated and subjugated by all and sundry. Anyway, such attitude is not appreciable and needs rectification. Perhaps, the solution lay in slicing and dicing India, given its size and population(which hopefully will be achieved in due course). Then, more manageable parts which will gladly play ball. Just look at the pakistan that is so eager to be the vassal.

Aha, Pakistan! Not a bad country at all. Manageable size and population. The regime(specially the army fellows) are perfect and pliant. The population is also exclusively Muslim unlike India with its various races. And therefore, India will have to be sliced into smaller parts. Churchill was right, India is not a country anyway. And muslim pakistan will make better allies than hindus of India, that is until India is properly divided with each race with its independent country . At any rate, the alliance of the martial races of pakistan will be very useful. They will do our(Amirkhan) job and perhaps will expect some favours(cash and kind). That is ok. There are no free lunches. Let them quote their price and then let them do our task.

What is their price?
Kashmir!
Hmm...! Why not?!
We(Amirkhans) are thinking of cutting India into smaller pieces anyway. Why not reward one piece to our allies?! Of course, they should not expect free lunches either.

First things first, lets arm the pakis. It is amazing how cheap it is to arm them! Of course, they will use the newly acquired arms to wrest Kashmir for themselves...which will perhaps, start a disintegration of India into smaller manageable states.

What is it? China gobbled Tibet? The bloody chinese are expanding. And they are commies... Not good. But, we need to cultivate them against the Soviets. Lets find some way out.

China attacked India?! The Mao wants to gobble parts of India too? No way! We cant allow that. Help India take on these commies.

So, China and India have a feud. Well, we need to balance them both. We need China against the Soviets. We need India until we can get hold of it in some manner. Pakis can help us deal with the Indians. We also need to find a way to make the chinese rollback from Tibet.

BTW, India is bruised by the chinese, this is the right time for the pakis to launch an attack and get their reward(kashmir).

Pakis failed to get kashmir?!
Even after all the support we provided them?! Hmm, hindus may not be as weak as we imagined. Or maybe the pakis were just unlucky.

What, pakjabis are genociding the bengalis? Why?
So, Bengalis want to rule pakistan(through democracy) and the pakjabis are opposed to it. Well, its an internal matter. And moreover, we are quite comfortable with the present regime in Pakistan. So, no sympathies with the bengalis. Pakjabis should not be genociding their own people, but maybe its a cultural thing.

Why is India making the noise if pakis genocide themselves? Nonsense! We dont believe what these Indians say, they are just using an excuse to vilify the pakis. Anyway, Indians should just shut up and put up until the pakis settle their internal squabbles.

What the hell? Indians want to start a war on east-pakistan? Why are these Indians suddenly behaving so uppity? Well, warn them that no non-sense will be tolerated. BTW, cant the pakis just teach a lesson to the Indians, if they start a war(after all, we have armed them sufficiently)? Oh, so east-pakistan is vulnerable, ok. Fine, warn India to behave and the pakis also need to quickly deal with this issue(of bengalis) without stretching it.

(...will continue later)

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 27 Jan 2012 12:24

Kati wrote:^^^^^^
True, baloochis don't trust uncle....
Also, an independent baloochistan will be too weak to survive,
and iran and pak will fight for its control.....uncle can't let it go to
Iranian sphere also......unless uncle decides to to set up a base there....
that'll be a whole new story.....

If Balochi's win their war of independence, they will be a quasi-protectorate of the US. It will be the next large land base for the US in the region with forces in the tens of thousands. It is sparsely populated, has enough natural resources to pay for itself; not paying baksheesh to the TSPA for the land route to Afghanistan will more than pay for the cost of the holding force. Very likely the first iteration of free Balochistan will not include the Pashtun dominated Quetta area. It will primarily consist of the population already in revolt against the TSPA.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 27 Jan 2012 12:59

JohnGee.... well put.

Why have you left out the campaign donations, the happy endings whilst visiting Porkistun, not to mention increasing the weight of accounts in the Caymans?

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 27 Jan 2012 13:22

rajanb wrote:JohnGee.... well put.

Why have you left out the campaign donations, the happy endings whilst visiting Porkistun, not to mention increasing the weight of accounts in the Caymans?

Saar,
please do the honors. I was concentrating on big picture, partly because I did not know the details perfectly.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Jan 2012 13:26

shiv wrote:
pankajs wrote:Prime Minister Imran Khan would be no friend of the West
Khan has often talked about improving the lot of ordinary citizens and creating jobs for the young (his largest support base), but never mentions that this goal will remain illusory unless the military's budget is cut at least by half.

The reason why the military will not give up its control on its own. Either it will have to be defanged by outside powers or else it will lead to the implosion of the country. In the interim the state is on ventilation, kept alive by outside powers (Many US money).

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Jan 2012 14:15

Kakul Military Academy attacked with RPGs

Police say unknown assailants fired rocket propelled grenades at the military academy near Osama bin Laden's compound in the northwest Pakistani city of Abbottabad.

Senior local police officer Abdul Karim says the attack early Friday morning damaged the wall of the academy but did not cause any casualties.

Disappointing to note that it did not end up like the GHQ or Mehran or the Punjab Police academy attacks. What a shame, more pious ! Hope this was a dry run and Allah's blessings will be showered upon the more pious soon.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Jan 2012 14:18

Anujan wrote:SSridhar-ji
This whole "lets tackle climate change" BS is double-speak for re-negotiating the Indus water treaty and getting some kind of compensation from India for "lost waters". Also, this news article might be of relevance:

I think saar you are on the right track.

"It (climate change) is quite visible in my country. We have suffered both drought and heavy rains in past one year. It was horrible, not just by our estimates but also as per the estimates of World Bank and Asian Development Bank," Gilani said.
[...]
"If the glaciers in Himalayas melt, there will be huge floods in Pakistan," he said adding that Pakistan has taken some steps by creating a disaster management cell which he himself was overseeing.

Let us extend Shiv saar's theory about reference to 'Muslims in Kashmir' not getting sympathy any more to it triggering a negative response especially in US/UK. So this can be seen as an indirect way of putting Kashmir back on the table without using the 'Kashmir' word, all nicely couched in terms of 'climate change' and its impact on the 'poor pakistanis'. It will finally result in a call for mediation between Pakis and Indians on their divergent position on 'river management' and 'glacier management', a backdoor to mediation on Kashmir itself.

drought and heavy rains => Rivers
glaciers => Siachen

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 27 Jan 2012 17:03

ramanaji,
you are absolutely right.Jingoes might be interested in reading aimbree to know the 'official' amirkhans view of india.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Jan 2012 17:53

johneeG wrote:

I dont know what motivates the Amirkhan thinking. Let me imagine myself in Amirkhan shoes and try to understand their motivations.

johneeG that is top notch piskology

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 27 Jan 2012 18:05

Suppiah wrote:A gift from tallel to Pakbarics..long live PRC-TSP friendship!!!

Would do wonders to image of PRC in TSP. Knowing how much gratitude Unkil has earned for $20b++, PRC would fare that much worse..

What are the brave mard-e-momin of Kiyanahin going to do about this? This is more than four times the toll that Unkil gifted to them at the border..

Dont worry ISPR and their cronies will spin some conspiracy theory on how momeen were halaled by yindoo / yahudi lobby and cheena is tallel than mountain. After that everything will be fine.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Jan 2012 18:09

Arun Roperia wrote:Here guys, "Propaganda/Sochta Pakistan" debates "Is US media a tool of shaping narrations?"

The scum bags are living a bold-faced lie. I mean listening to that chuha and the RAPE b!tch next to him and the slime ball host makes my jaw drop. Even taking credit for getting OBL, when the same slime balls in private cheer every jihadi attack, be it on India or US, not to mention that their TSPA/ISI are the world's biggest terrorist entities. They live in an alternate universe so consumed by their beliefs and delusion, only solution is a severe catharsis.