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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2011 18:41 
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I won't underestimate them, Surya and Manum - I have no doubt they have some incredibly smart people just like every other country does. But intelligence means little when you don't have the tech to learn from and to manufacture the latest stuff. That's all.

Manum, I know that Parsis are Iranian in origin, but that's all that there is to it. I don't believe that having common ancestors from centuries ago qualifies your intelligence in either a good or bad way - the Parsis for all intents and purposes are their own special culture now.


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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2011 19:05 
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This talk will go OT...
anyways I am just saying..the way Indian did respond in difficult times by mastering few things...Iranians can do too at crude level...Lets leave it at that, Though I agree they exaggerate..


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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2011 19:06 
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Any thoughts on the American drone did crash in Iranian territory and was fully or partially destroyed, but enough structure survived for the Iranians to build a replica shell of the aircraft to display to the cameras? It did take them a few days to display it, enough time for them to build a replica. They may have had images of the drone beforehand from other sources that they could've used to determine the size, shape and visible features of the drone besides studying the wreckage. I find it hard to believe that the Iranians were able to take control of the drone so easily and land it at their base. In the Iranian video the underside of the drone being obscured is rather curious.

On the other hand, if the drone indeed land intact at the Iranian base, another possibility could be that it was accidentally landed their by the American controllers due to a multitude of malfunctions causing confusion on the Americans part. Sort of like the recent Indian Army helicopter incident across the line of control. These kinds of unintended landings of aircraft in enemy territory/base has happened through out history.


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PostPosted: 17 Dec 2011 17:57 
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India's SLYBIRD Mini-drone Payload Flights Soon

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The National Aeronautics Lab (NAL) Slybird drone, first revealed earlier this year on Livefist is shortly to begin a second phase of trial flights with a videocamera/IR payload. Its first phase of launches was completed in July this year. The drone is part of the larger micro air vehicle effort funded by the Ministries of Defence and Science & Technology to meet multiple requirements of portable drones for tactical/over-the-hill reconnaisance/intelligence. NAL sources suggest that they intend to create a drone with capabilities comparable to the US Army's Raven. Will post a video of the Slybird in flight soon.


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PostPosted: 18 Dec 2011 05:18 
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One Small coil of heater element from 15 watt soldering iron in a small 250 cc compartment of gas with a circuit board and logic with altimeter like device is good enough to self destruct
default logic can vaporize the whole thing and prevent falling into..

How wonderful it would be to fall into the arms of woman with out falling into her hands ....


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PostPosted: 04 Jan 2012 12:10 
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Heron drone proves a dud in tracking Maoists in Chattisgarh

Creativity of DDM never fails to amaze :D
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But they are proving unsuccessful in tracking down Maoists since the infra- red rays emitted by the synthetic aperture radar operate with perfection in a clear landscape, but are unable to penetrate foliage in the jungle, an officer aware of the development, said.


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PostPosted: 10 Jan 2012 10:52 
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US mulling sale of armed drones to allies

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US is planning to sell its battle-proved armed drones to key allies, including India, but the move is being opposed by lawmakers who don’t want the technology to be exported.


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It is believed that India would be one of the potential target countries for the US to sell its drones. India has been purchasing drones from Israel for quite some time now, and has been developing its drone capabilities, but does not have armed drones like the Predators and Reapers used by US security agencies with devastating effect against Al Qaeda and Taliban targets in Pakistan.


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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2012 15:13 
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There is a problem in selling drones to India. See, drones can carry bombs, which effectively makes them missiles. But they also have range of over 300 kms, which is banned under MTCR rules. IOW, India cannot buy drones because of MTCR restirctions :x .

We *might* see US do a 1-2-3 agreement for us in MTCR as well, :)


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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2012 17:57 
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When India is developing stuff, everyone will queue up to see us their products.
India developing UAV similar to American Predator drone
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 728979.cms
UAV Rustom-2 project is spread over 66 months, Director of Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE), a Defence Research and Development Organisation ( DRDO) laboratory, P S Krishnan, told PTI here.
Rustom-2 would have a wing-span of 21-odd metres and an endurance of 24-hours-plus, as against seven-odd metres and 12-15 hours of Rustom-1, which has already completed five flights. ADE is the nodal lab for these projects.
Rustom-2 would have new payloads such as synthetic aperture radar, maritime patrol radar and collision avoidance system, among others, he said.
Meanwhile, Rustom-1, the Medium Altitude Long Endurance Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (MALE - UAV), would be integrated with payloads by next month, Krishnan said.
"We have demonstrated all the flying characteristics of the Rustom more or less in the final form".
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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2012 19:44 
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the only cash rich markets for the US to exploit for amortizing its projects are
- saudi barbaria
- UAE
- South Korea
- Japan
- Singapore (too small)
- Australia
- India
- Turkey (one of the new BRICs)

israel is a munna and never pays anything its covered under their yearly aid. the Euros buy things in small nos. other than India, the others are all 101% halal Munna's ... India is truly a special case.


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PostPosted: 18 Jan 2012 11:49 
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Thales and Aerovisión present FRONTEX with an unmanned aerial vehicle for border control

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The UAV Fulmar is a small-size model (3.1 metres) weighing only 19 kilos that can fly at a height of 3,000 metres and achieve 150 kilometres per hour, with an 8-hour flight range that would allow it to fly up to 800 kilometres without having to refuel.


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The demonstration confirmed the ease of installation and flying of the UAV Fulmar, as it does not require a runway for takeoff and landing given that it is launched from a catapult and is recovered by means of an impact-absorbing net. Both elements are simple to install in a short time and in different places.


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PostPosted: 25 Jan 2012 18:52 
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DRDO test flights Lakshya-II UAV at Sea Skimming height

Two pics shortly.


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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2012 11:46 
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DRDO lab tests UAVs

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In a significant boost to Indian capabilities in using unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV), the Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE) — a laboratory under DRDO — conducted flight trials of micro and mini UAVs at Hoskote near Bangalore.

According a press release from the DRDO, three Micro Air Vehicles named Black Kite, Golden Hawk & Pushpak with sizes ranging from 300 to 450 mm with a maximum ‘all up’ weight of 300 gms to 500 gms have been flight demonstrated and these vehicles have an endurance of 30 minutes and carry a miniature daylight video camera as payload that relays the imagery of the gaming area to ground control during its flight. The video and telemetry range is about two kilometres.

These vehicles are designed and developed to meet requirements including countering low intensity conflicts, counter terrorism and for rescue operations during natural calamities. These small vehicles are capable of flying in full autonomous mode and transmitting live day and night video to the portable Ground Control Station (GCS) in real time. Two mini UAVs categorised under 2 Kg class vehicles with endurance of 1 hour were also demonstrated and these vehicles carry either a daylight camera or thermal/night vision camera (one at a time) as payload and thus have capability for both day and night surveillance.


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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2012 12:02 
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A very long time ago, there was a report that Israel was looking to purchase Lakshya(?)
Any records of that available?


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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2012 00:16 
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One can easily strap bombs to netra uav and use it in counter insurgency operation.


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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2012 04:11 
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To ask a question:

How many UAVs do the Indian armed forces have ?

62 Herons (12 Navy and 50 IAF) ?

100 Searchers

12 Nishants ?

That's as far I have been able to calculate.

Any input welcome.


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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2012 05:03 
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ashish raval wrote:
One can easily strap bombs to netra uav and use it in counter insurgency operation.

You are way off the mark here.


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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2012 15:58 
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High-tech Israeli drone with the wing span of a Boeing 737 crashes during test flight

Israeli Heron TP crashes as test flight goes wrong


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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2012 16:41 
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Isn't the cost of Netra a little high ?
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Each unit costs around Rs.15-20 lakh.

Will the cost decrease once mass production is achieved ?


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PostPosted: 01 Feb 2012 09:55 
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I think we should try to get Neuron tech for our own UCAV by leveraging Rafale deal


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PostPosted: 04 Feb 2012 13:33 
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IAF plans separate UAV cadre

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In what would be a significant move once it comes through, the IAF is already in talks to have a separate cadre for the RPVs and is in the process of drafting a proposal to be sent to the Centre.

“Just like the fighter pilots, transport pilots and so on, this will be a role-specific cadre, so that the officers are trained for a specific role from the word go,” a senior official said.
The IAF, which already uses UAVs, is in the process of multiplying the forces. And DRDO’s Rustom and Lakshya-II are also expected to be inducted into the IAF.

Air Marshal Dhiraj Kukreja, Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Headquarters Training Command, Bangalore said: “...There are talks about sending a proposal for this. We currently discussing various options.”

Speaking to Deccan Herald over phone he said: “...It would be part of existing squadrons but said that the numbers might not to the same tune. Flying squadrons have about 12-15 aircraft.”

Indicating that the procurement/acquisition of the UAVs in the future will be based on very careful assement so as to balance between the manpower and the role of such vehicles, sources said that the number of UAVs however will not be as high as 12 or 15.
The IAF though, is already training its personnel for this specific role as the air force already has some UAVs in its fleet.

But Kukreja said: “At present we are diverting people who are medically incapable of being fighter piolts into this role but with the kind of advances the medical field is making, we will soon see the number of such people reduce. And that is where this proposal comes in handy.”


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PostPosted: 07 Feb 2012 14:58 
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India Eyes More Drones For IAF

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... 0For%20IAF

"the Heron TP Eitan—which costs an estimated $35 million."


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PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012 14:57 
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Thales enhances its maritime border surveillance offer

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Thales has reinforced its coastal and maritime border surveillance offer thanks to the FULMAR maritime surveillance and identification UAV system from the Spanish firm Aerovisión.


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Thales has bolstered its maritime surveillance systems offer with the addition of innovative surveillance and identification capacities, through the integration of the FULMAR long lasting medium-range UAV, a 100% European platform with a unique capability of landing at sea. Jointly developed in Spain by the teams of Thales and Aerovisión, the Thales solution considerably improves the operational capacities of the coastguards by enabling rapid and easy detection of new threats.

In this way, Thales is able to propose a complete and modular solution for coastal surveillance and intervention, built around a C2 system and incorporating multiple coastal sensor data (radar, electro-optical, sonar, Automatic Identification of Ship - AIS etc.), mobile surveillance, communication networks and mobile equipment with intervention capabilities (UAVs, patrol / interception craft, vehicles, etc.).


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PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012 15:22 
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BAE demonstrates UAV recovery capability

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BAE Systems has for the first time successfully demonstrated the ability for an unmanned aerial vehicle to recover to an airfield which is unfamiliar to its mission system.

The demonstration – conducted at West Sale in Victoria – was conducted by a Kingfisher 2 UAV, and also saw the vehicle successfully integrate into nearby RAAF East Sale’s busy air traffic services.

“Most autonomous landing technologies require a fair amount of specific detail about an alternate recovery airfield before the aircraft’s launched on its mission,” said BAE’s Airborne Systems Integration and Development’s general manager Brad Yelland. “We’ve shown that we can get the aircraft back safely when its mission system has almost no detail about an airfield but still has to land there.”


That, is a real breakthrough


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PostPosted: 15 Feb 2012 11:33 
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Asian Debut for Hermes 900 UAV

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Elbit Systems is displaying its largest platform of the Hermes family of UAS – Hermes 900.

Hermes 900 was designed as a derivative of the Hermes family of UAS, introducing significant savings and enhanced capabilities over existing platforms. With over 300,000 operational flight hours with Hermes 450 UAS, the new ‘900 inherits the reliable building blocks, ground support equipment, payloads and ground mission controls, while expanding the flight envelope and endurance to new levels.


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Among the key capabilities offered by the new drone are longer endurance, flight altitude of 30,000 ft. and a large payload capacity (up to 350kg). Unlike many other UAS, the Hermes 900 is designed with a 2.5 meter long internal payload bay, capable of accommodating up to 250 kg and allowing quick modular payload installation and replacement. The spacious bay accommodates multiple payloads with more installed on four hard points under the wings. The UAS includes innovative avionics and electronic systems, a low noise engine, as well as solutions that can be offered for sense & avoid capabilities and safe integration of the UAS into the relevant air space.

The ‘900 employs the same ground control station, line of sight data link, various sensors and key ground support equipment elements as the Hermes 450. This enables seamless insertion of the new UAS into Hermes 450 units, enabling users to benefit from reduced logistics and operational cost.

A typical sensor suite includes the baseline EO payload DCoMPASS, or Stand off EO/IR/Laser system such as the AMPS from ElOp. Different area surveillance missions can be performed in parallel to the EO payloads; these include various radar systems such as the SAR/GMTI and Maritime Search Radars. Three new mission specific sensor packages are being introduced for the drone – the electro optic mapping and survey area scanning systems (LASSO), hyperspectral payload and wide area persistent stare system.

The sheer size of the drone enables the deployment of other sensors – hence, the SIGINT payloads include the Skyfix COMINT/DF and Skyfix-G COMINT GSM systems. Electronic attack configurations may include the SKYJAM communication jamming system and AES 210 V/V2 ESM (ELINT) systems.

Hermes 900 uses an integral satellite communication data link enabling operations beyond line of sight and in mountainous areas, where line-of-sight restricts non SATCOM UAS from descending to lower altitude. In addition, the UAS can takeoff from a launch and recovery site in theater and be controlled from a mission station positioned remotely and conveniently in the user’s home facilities thousands of miles away. In order to implement this capability, Elbit Systems uses a cutting edge SATCOM system that combines highly advanced technologies, increasing bandwidth efficiency and assuring maximum cost effectiveness for its customers.


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Elbit Systems Introduce a Hyperspectral Sensor Payload for UAVs


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PostPosted: 15 Feb 2012 13:33 
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DRDO officially display the Lakshya and Rustom UAV at singapore air show.Indian defence technology have attracted strong interests from Brazil, Canada, Israel, Jordan, Japan, Myanmar, Singapore and Japan at the Air Show from February 14-19. :)
Indian defence technology attract global attention in Singapore


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PostPosted: 16 Feb 2012 11:17 
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weaponised version of the ‘bomb hunter’ Daksh robot


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Robo-snake SERP is out | Robotics set to play key role during low-intensity conflicts in India

With robots marching in, Indian industry gets a defence spin-off touch


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PostPosted: 17 Feb 2012 13:54 
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Navy UAV crashes near Vizag
no loss of life or property, thx to god...


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PostPosted: 20 Feb 2012 10:02 
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x-posts from special forces thread -

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How accurate are the coordinates that can be acquired by UAVs? Good enough to feed into precision guided artillery?

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The fundamental issue is that of determining locations of targets in real time, and rapidly delivering ordinance accurately to those locations.

What is needed is UAVs fitted with SARs, thermal imaging cameras etc which can accurately acquire targets within an accuracy of a couple of meters say, and the ability to send PGMs there.

Any ideas on what is possible in principle, and what DRDO might be able to deliver.

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ArmenT wrote:
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While GPS can be accurate to < 1 meter resolution, that capability is only available to the US military. Everyone else has to make do with a degraded signal which is accurate to around 20 meters resolution or so. The only way to get around this is to create your own GPS system, which some countries are attempting to do, such as the EU's Galileo system and India's IRNSS program. However, these systems are still under development and until they are brought online, everyone has to rely on the GPS system from the US.


Right ... but IMHO the harder issue is coordinates acquisition. You can put a gimballed camera on a UAV. You know the location of the UAV with GPS, and you can get roll and pitch values with level sensors. Using a series of GPS measurements can give you the approx bearing, but then if there is a wind, the UAV may not be pointing in the direction of travel. A compass would also give approx data.

Perhaps better to use 2 UAVs and get the target coordinates by triangulation. First get approx location using one UAV, then get both UAVs to take simultaneous snaps of the site. Then a human operator takes the two images and manually locates the target on each. You have the GPS readings of each UAV at the instant of the snaps. You would also have a non-real time satellite image of the area, with coordinates grid.

Of course one or both UAVs can be replaced by a soldier on the ground, but you may often not have somebody on the ground when a target is first spotted in a remote area.

The question is what accuracy you can get by using all this data.


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PostPosted: 21 Feb 2012 18:52 
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Delhi Students Build Prototype Of Next-Gen UAV For Lockheed Martin

Northland Community and Technical College will use Innocon TUAV for its unique UAS maintenance & training program


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PostPosted: 21 Feb 2012 19:06 
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Impressive Chinese design
China’s SVU200 UAV conducts maiden flight

SINGAPORE: ST Aerospace unveils Skyblade UAV at air show

Watchkeeper to be Key Pillar of Anglo-French Defence Cooperation
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PostPosted: 21 Feb 2012 19:23 
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At the Aviation Expo/China 2011 last September in Beijing, Fetters told Flightglobal the aircraft has a 78hp (58kW) engine, and an endurance of up to 2.6h at its cruising speed of 177kmh. Fetters is a freelance American UAV designer who resides in China.

wow. I hope the stavatti stalma guy also joins him in self-imposed exile there to create the J-21


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PostPosted: 21 Feb 2012 21:42 
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The real question is why he is in China when he could have as well worked out of India..


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'First flight of UAV Rustom-2 scheduled in Feb, 2014'

The first flight test of indigenously developed UAV Rustom-2, set to be used solely for defence purposes, would take place in February 2014, a top Aeronautical Development Establishment official said today.

"Designing of Rustom-2 has been completed, purchase orders have been placed and we are on schedule to fly for the first time in February 2014," ADE Director P S Krishnan told reporters.

He said the entire project of making 10 Rustom-2 UAVs and spare vehicles at a cost of Rs 1,540 crore would be completed by August 2017.

Indigenous technology would enable ADE save about 40 per cent cost, he said, adding that all parts, except for cameras and sensors, have been developed in the country.

Weighing 1.8 tonnes, Rustom-2 would have a capacity payload of 350 kg, a wing span of 21-odd meters and an endurance of above 24 hours, he said.

Rustom-2 is in the league of US 'Predator' drones due to its advanced capabilities and additional payloads, he said.

"Rustom UAVs could be deployed for military missions like reconnaissance and surveillance, target acquisition, target designation, communications relay, battle damage assessment and signal intelligence," Krishnan said.

In future, India would also develop Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicles (UCAVs) and solar drones, he said.

Rustom-2, designed and developed by ADE, a DRDO laboratory, is comparable to top drones in the world, he said.

The second edition of the two-day international Conference on Autonomous Unmanned Vehicles would get underway here from February 24, Krishnan said.


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GA-ASI tests AESA based radar for UAV's


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Vipul wrote:
'First flight of UAV Rustom-2 scheduled in Feb, 2014'

The first flight test of indigenously developed UAV Rustom-2, set to be used solely for defence purposes, would take place in February 2014, a top Aeronautical Development Establishment official said today.


He said the entire project of making 10 Rustom-2 UAVs and spare vehicles at a cost of Rs 1,540 crore would be completed by August 2017.

Indigenous technology would enable ADE save about 40 per cent cost, he said, adding that all parts, except for cameras and sensors, have been developed in the country.

Weighing 1.8 tonnes, Rustom-2 would have a capacity payload of 350 kg, a wing span of 21-odd meters and an endurance of above 24 hours, he said.

Rustom-2 is in the league of US 'Predator' drones due to its advanced capabilities and additional payloads, he said.



A UAV of the nature of Rustom -2 should cost around US$ 5-7 million or so. Assuming Rustom-2 is even cheaper, say US$ 4 to 6 million USD, I guess that 10 Rustom UAVs mean ten "units" of Rustom UAV which would mean around 10x5=50 flying aircrafts. That would mean price of around US$ 6 million per UAV including development cost.


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Possible guesses on the engine used?


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Kailash wrote:
The real question is why he is in China when he could have as well worked out of India..


Because he would have to report to and take orders from a Class III babu and he may not have liked it


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