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Utterly Pakindom

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But as an inquest heard last week, he lay floating face-down for more than half an hour while firemen, police and paramedics watched and did nothing.The reason? Even though they could all swim, the first fire crew to arrive hadn’t been ‘trained’ to enter water higher than ankle-deep. Instead they waited for ‘specialists’ to arrive to retrieve his body.


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Some of the situations they are taught to follow the bookish training and fu*k the use of common sense.


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The illegal immigrants desperate to escape squalor of Britain
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They came to Britain illegally in search of a better life, but the reality turned out to be far removed from what they dreamed of.

The BBC has spoken to illegal immigrants who find themselves living amongst rats and rubbish in makeshift garden sheds and garages. They want to be deported back to India, but many are trapped in a bureaucratic no man's land without any documents.


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ArmenT,

I posted a similar link a short while ago, same story different source.

The tragedy is that their familes have borrowed £10,000 plus to send them to the UK. They could have borrowed a smaller sum and started some local business in Punjab/India.

My cousin is here from Punjab, working as a chef, when he goes back we will be converting the large family house into a guest house/hotel. This will provide him and his family a business opportunity, provide funds to maintain the property.

This will also provide employment to others, cooks, cleaners, dhobi, taxi services etc.

I have made it clear to my relations, there are no real opportunities in the UK any more and we will help them start businesses in India.

The government in Punjab/India must do more to create opportunities in India.


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India’s tit for tat to UK on visa norms

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NEW DELHI: Indians have often been at the receiving end of UK visa regulations in the recent past but New Delhi for once has managed to tame the British authorities. In yet another visa row between the two countries - this time around in a third country - India has forced the UK to roll back its decision to bar Indians to apply for UK visas from Belgium.

In what is being described by officials as a strange decision, British authorities stopped issuing visas to Indians in Belgium and instead asked them to travel to Paris to apply for the same.

With its new-found assertiveness, the foreign ministry retaliated by not just issuing a note verbale to British authorities to protest the decision but also immediately stopped issuing visas to UK nationals seeking Indian visa in Brussels. They were asked to go back to London and apply for Indian visa there.

Highly placed sources told TOI that the decision forced the UK to beat a quick retreat. Now, London has approached India, formally communicating its decision to roll back its decision and ensure visa facility to Indians from Brussels.

The Indian retaliation though was not limited to restricting UK nationals from applying for visa in Brussels. It also increased the visa fee, bringing it on par with the money charged from Indians for UK visa.

"Now that they have given in, we have also decided to restore visa facilities for UK nationals in Belgium. There will be no change in the visa cost though," said a source. Apparently, the number of UK nationals seeking Indian visa in Brussels was more than the other way round.

The UK decision not to issue visa to Indians inconvenienced not only diplomats and other Indians based in Belgium, but also many Indian travellers, including VIPs, who wished to fly to London and did not have a visa. Belgian capital Brussels is not only a travel hub in Europe, but also one of the main centres of international politics.

Besides, Britain announced further restrictions in its immigration system this week that could severely impact Indians planning to settle there. British immigration minister Damian Green declared that the changes in the UK immigration system will mean that migrant workers coming to the UK on a skilled worker visa will no longer be able to settle in the UK based on the amount of time they have spent in the country.

Breaking the link between coming to the UK to work and staying forever, the new rules will ensure that only "exceptionally talented people, investors and entrepreneurs" will have the option to stay in the UK. "Skilled temporary workers who want to apply for settlement will have to earn at least £35,000, or the going rate for their job, whichever is higher," said the British High Commission in a statement.


Extremely surprising! Seems like someone in the ruling class found their strength! If only this was across the board, especially when dealing with neighbors.

BTW, what is this "new found assertiveness" that the author talks of?


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The UK decision not to issue visa to Indians inconvenienced not only diplomats and other Indians based in Belgium, but also many Indian travellers, including VIPs, who wished to fly to London and did not have a visa. Belgian capital Brussels is not only a travel hub in Europe, but also one of the main centres of international politics.

<blah blah>


Extremely surprising! Seems like someone in the ruling class found their strength! If only this was across the board, especially when dealing with neighbors.

BTW, what is this "new found assertiveness" that the author talks of?


The highlighted part above would explain it.


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Brit still dont allow visa free transit to indian passport holders to change the plane/terminal at Heathrow. No European country have issue with it but the Urinal King only.


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Brit still dont allow visa free transit to indian passport holders to change the plane/terminal at Heathrow. No European country have issue with it but the Urinal King only.


Its a way to shame you and me and other brown brothas about their origin, when the almighty threw the dice he did not make us enter the white boys club. It could also be paranoia, what to do in case we jump out of the terminal into Her Holy Queendom's great and mighty bosoms, like rats jumping out of a sinking ship into a island of wood floating in the sea. Or it could be ...you see.. Asians are dangerous... they now come for our women and children.

Although seriously, the dont come here, go to Paris is rather a very dubious white-boy-clubish move. The process of getting a visa to France would filter out a lot of Indians and it would make the UQstani Visa officer's job of dealing with us much easier :)


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Brit still dont allow visa free transit to indian passport holders to change the plane/terminal at Heathrow. No European country have issue with it but the Urinal King only.

That's not true. My parents flew with BA on their last trip here (khanland) in October last year. The stopover was at Heathrow. They did not have a UK visa only a visitor's visa for the US. One of my friends came via Heathrow on Kuwait airways in 2010. He too did not face any issues. He had a US student visa.


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The exorbitant UK exit/transit tax on air travel via the UK is one reason why BA has seen such a huge drop in traffic and the airline is lobbying hard for it to be removed.In some cases the transit tax is actually more than the cost of the air tkt! So beware leaving the UK/Heathrow by air,use the Eurostar instead and fly back from Paris/Brussels.


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Brit still dont allow visa free transit to indian passport holders to change the plane/terminal at Heathrow. No European country have issue with it but the Urinal King only.

That's not true. My parents flew with BA on their last trip here (khanland) in October last year. The stopover was at Heathrow. They did not have a UK visa only a visitor's visa for the US. One of my friends came via Heathrow on Kuwait airways in 2010. He too did not face any issues. He had a US student visa.


That is the catch. You need to have a valid US visa to transit at Heathrow. If you are a H1b holder, with a valid H1b but with say no stamp in passport(F1->H1 conversion, common case), or if your previous H1b stamp in passport has expired, or if you using Advance Parole(with no stamp in PP), then you can't transit through Heathrow.


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That is the catch. You need to have a valid US visa to transit at Heathrow. If you are a H1b holder, with a valid H1b but with say no stamp in passport(F1->H1 conversion, common case), or if your previous H1b stamp in passport has expired, or if you using Advance Parole(with no stamp in PP), then you can't transit through Heathrow.

Correct. Ditto with Frankfurt and Paris. Brussels has no issues.


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That is the catch. You need to have a valid US visa to transit at Heathrow. If you are a H1b holder, with a valid H1b but with say no stamp in passport(F1->H1 conversion, common case), or if your previous H1b stamp in passport has expired, or if you using Advance Parole(with no stamp in PP), then you can't transit through Heathrow.

Hmm. Thanks for that info.


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no visa is required if you are changing flights within the same airport


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no visa is required if you are changing flights within the same airport

Dunno lal mullah. One of my relatives who was in the IAD/ Parole period got into this transit visa mess. She was flying BA (serves her right!) and when flying out from US , there was no problem, she transited through Heathrow, but while going back, BA in Bangalore did not allow her boarding because she didn't have a transit visa! There was no time for her to apply for one in the UK consulate in Chennai, so she flew back to the US in another airline after forfeiting the return leg on BA!

Moral of the story . If you are not on a tourist visa, US Green Card/Citizen , but on any other status such as H1, L1 or IAD etc, avoid UK stan like the plague. The think you are a walking piggy bank that can be shaken down at will.

In anycase, avoid UQ altogether. No point putting money in their pockets. Those guys deserve the Pakis and are made for each other. Recommend sending plane loads more of such welfare mooching freeboarders from Lahore, Peshawer and Mirpur in particular.


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potentially your relative had a ticket which required a change of airports, thats the only thing i can think of, and possible for flights to the US. normally if you are changing flights you wont come anywhere near an immigration counter. She should sue BA because they missold her a ticket and then denied her access. To be honest BA staff in India - desis for the most part - are overzealous in their duties and annoy me. BA staff in heathrow are far more courteous and accomodating. that said in matters of visas, most check in staff anywhere in the world are pretty ignorant and will default to worst case assumptions


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Prof, something is wrong with the training of BA staff then - shows how incompetent British airways is and speaks very poorly of border agency and cordination. How come despite so many 1000s living in UK, thousands transiting via London, they get this wrong. surely this is not something new.
Heard recently that because of improper communication from ministers, border control in UK stopped checking visas or let people in with poor checks. Compare this with Mumbai immigration - Landed at 12 midnight yesterday - yet the person manning the station did a full minute of checks, before stsmping my passport

UK visa is a racket. So far, I have spent close to 30k on it for personal travel. A 4 year visa as spouse of uk citizen will set me back 300 pounds - all for what? Land of yellow malformed teeth ?


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potentially your relative had a ticket which required a change of airports, thats the only thing i can think of, and possible for flights to the US. normally if you are changing flights you wont come anywhere near an immigration counter.

Mullah, the UQ shylocks have something called Direct Airside Transit Visa, which covers just what you talked about, changing planes and not clearing immigration at all.

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You transit the UK airside if you arrive here on a flight, remain in the arrival lounge of the airport without passing through UK immigration control, and then depart on another flight from the same airport.

The UK government operates a DATV system for some countries. These countries are listed under 'More information' below.



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She should sue BA because they missold her a ticket and then denied her access. To be honest BA staff in India - desis for the most part - are overzealous in their duties and annoy me.

Nah. The BA staff in Bangalore were just doing their job correctly. She did need an airside transit visa. It is good they stopped her from boarding or she could have got into trouble in Heathrow.

I advised her to fly out in any other airline at the earliest (she had to be back soon after) and forget this BA rubbish and never fly them again.


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Looks like Las Malvinas aka Falklands seem to have hit the headlines once again. Roger
Waters making some very uncomfortable statements for the queen's government.


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Aid Charade: UK wants 'peanuts' back: RT



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Sorry the local red-faced monkeys ate them (the peanuts)


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look at the smooth road, the well fed people, the good quality clothes...there's plenty more fat to burn before they can ask for the money back offer. same for any of the PIIGS...not until cosmetics, clothing and eating out expenses have plunged 90% from the peak can be they called poor.


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potentially your relative had a ticket which required a change of airports, thats the only thing i can think of, and possible for flights to the US. normally if you are changing flights you wont come anywhere near an immigration counter.... that said in matters of visas, most check in staff anywhere in the world are pretty ignorant and will default to worst case assumptions


apparently, EAD/Adv. Parole legal status is neither here-nor there status in massa. Somebody said that it is considered equivalent to a refugee status (eventhough, within US, it is treated as good as a GC). So, european airlines have this weird logic where even transiting through an airport requires a visa. Too much hassle.

Bypass euro zone all together...for your travel needs.


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Aid Charade: UK wants 'peanuts' back: RT



Once again, astounding that India's space programme finds mention on the subject of British aid. If the British are so concerned about what they feel is wastage or misuse of money, why not criticise luxury imports( including from the UK!), corruption, project delays, and money in Swiss banks? This is at least the 4th time I've heard some Brit refer to the space programme. Why don't they ask "When is India going to get back all that cash in Swiss accounts, which could be put to productive use in India"? If they're really concerned.


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they're concerned that they are being overtaken by little brown underlings


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paquis up to their usual underage drugs and rape antics in ukistan
Rochdale child-sex trial: 'Victim woke up being raped'


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they're concerned that they are being overtaken by little brown underlings

The usual chatter against space program of little brown people means that something is going well with the space program of little brown people. Though chatter is secondary, primary concern should be well done space program of little brown people.

Seriously, who chatters against space programs?


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in service of birtish masters...might be useful to r&d the other contributors

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/econom ... 77812.html

Despite "impressive" achievements in various sectors in recent years, India is unlikely to be a superpower and in fact, should not aspire to become one, a study by the London School of Economics (LSE) has concluded.

The study, titled 'India: The Next Superpower?', recalls and dismisses US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's statement made during her visit to India in 2009 that "I consider India not just a regional power, but a global power".

The LSE study comprising essays by nine experts in the areas of India's economy, defence, government, culture, environment and society advises "caution in assessing India's claim to superpower status".

Ramachandra Guha, currently the Philippe Roman Chair in History and International Affairs at the LSE, argues that it is doubtful whether India should seek to become a superpower.
He cites seven reasons why India will not become a superpower.

These are: "The challenge of the Naxalites; the insidious presence of the Hindutvawadis; the degradation of the once liberal and upright Centre; :rotfl: the increasing gap between the rich and the poor; the trivialisation of the media; :rotfl: the unsustainability, in an environmental sense, of present patterns of resource consumption; the instability and policy incoherence caused by multi-party coalition governments", he writes.


Listing India's several achievements that prompted predictions and ambitions in some quarters about India being the next superpower, the study goes on to discuss several challenges that are likely to prevent India from realising such ambitions.

It says: "Still, for all India's success, its undoubted importance and despite its undisputed potential, there is cause for caution in assessing India's claim to superpower status.
"India still faces major developmental challenges. The still-entrenched divisions of caste structure are being compounded by the emergence of new inequalities of wealth stemming from India's economic success".

The study adds: "India's democracy may have thrived in a manner that few ever expected, but its institutions face profound challenges from embedded nepotism and corruption.
"India's economic success continues to come with an environmental cost that is unsustainable".

Moreover, the study says that India has pressing security preoccupations, but sees the country continuing to play a constructive international role in, among other things, the financial diplomacy of the G20.

"(It) certainly has a soft-power story to tell as a model of liberal political and economic development.
"Perhaps even more significantly, the cultural impact of Indian cuisine, literature, films, music and sporting events will increasingly be felt globally through and beyond India's vast diaspora", the study says.

It adds: "Yet the hopes of those in the West who would build up India as a democratic counterweight to Chinese superpower are unlikely to be realised anytime soon".
Besides Guha, other contributors to the study are Rajeev Sibal, Iskander Rehman, Nicolas Blarel, Oliver Stuenkel, Harish Wankhede, Mukulika Banerjee, Andrew Sanchez and Sandeep Sengupta.


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^^^So, we can safely infer that India has a very realistic chance of becoming a superpower and that thought is making the britistanis(or perhaps, the Anglo-saxons) and their lackeys tizzy?

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the unsustainability, in an environmental sense, of present patterns of resource consumption

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"India's economic success continues to come with an environmental cost that is unsustainable".


The above quotes are interesting especially since India is being compared to China by these 'eminent' analysts. So, according to these analysts, is China's economy sustainable, 'in an environmental sense'?

I would have been surprised if there would have been no reference to Hindutva. :twisted:

What an argument though! Hindutva in a Hindu majority country will hinder the progress! WoW! BTW, do these worthies remember the comment of Brit PM who declared(or perhaps, re-emphasized) that Britistan is a christian nation. What do these guys have to say about that hindering the Britistan progress?

I sometimes wonder why they hold such hatred towards Hindus and Hinduism. I really would like to know what is their real problem. Is it just money? Is it something about family background? What is it? These people with Hindu sounding names hating everything remotely related to Hinduism offering their services(of bashing Hindus) to every Tom, Abdul and Harry.


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I would have been surprised if there would have been no reference to Hindutva. :twisted:

What an argument though! Hindutva in a Hindu majority country will hinder the progress! WoW! BTW, do these worthies remember the comment of Brit PM who declared(or perhaps, re-emphasized) that Britistan is a christian nation. What do these guys have to say about that hindering the Britistan progress?

I sometimes wonder why they hold such hatred towards Hindus and Hinduism. I really would like to know what is their real problem. Is it just money? Is it something about family background? What is it? These people with Hindu sounding names hating everything remotely related to Hinduism offering their services(of bashing Hindus) to every Tom, Abdul and Harry.

One should be very careful, these guys are no uneducated bystanders. Now there is a chatter against Hindutva- then what else- just so that some straw-men could be set up later when needed the most. All one has to be is create a biased look and then put some lies to make that person look neutral at the best in a biased set up = put Hindus away from hierarchy without reason. Voila, entire nations is structured well for lackys to do their job.

A reverse argument is that the British set up is full of some biased(loose/organized with atmost neutral thinking in biased set-up) individuals and therefore tolerated at the most etc.

Perhaps Jews are mistreated in this manner all over.

Just a strawman theory, no proof et al.


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they're concerned that they are being overtaken by little brown underlings

The usual chatter against space program of little brown people means that something is going well with the space program of little brown people. Though chatter is secondary, primary concern should be well done space program of little brown people.

Seriously, who chatters against space programs?


The interesting thing is that they never mention other areas of Indian technological advancement, like the nuclear programme, the missile programme, the warship building programme, the supercomputer programme, alternative energy et al. India is quite developed, in a few select technologies, more developed, than the UK in all these categories. But it is the space programme alone that is the focus of their censure. They must be deeply( though secretly) affected by India's impressive success on a shoestring budget.The multiple launches of foreign satellites and the first time success of the moon mission must have astonished them. They really do feel India is unreservedly ahead of them in this one industry. Hence the non-stop whining.


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BRICS are now in agreement to have their own World Bank and soon will provide loan to each others in local currency. BRICS have also invited Gulf countries for coordination and participation in the new financial set up. IMHO, Dollar will survive and so will Euro but the value of Pound will definitely diminsh as international currency. How long can UQ hold on pretending to be power till the tide turn and sweep them away in ignominy?Ultra Konstipation is about to smell the Rose of Realism.Sooner they change, longer they survive and remain relevant .


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Within about half a century after they were weaned off the t1t$ of mother India, the briturds are going to be in a position where they might be begging their former colony for aid....Tsk Tsk :twisted:

I have only flown BA once, while going to massa for the 1st time. After that I have never flown it and never will.

vina mullah, the BA staff in India can be pretty over-zealous. I remember one desi chick at the BA check-in counter tried to open my sealed I-20 envelope even though it clearly stated that it needs to be opened by a US immigration officer at the 1st US port of entry. Despite my warning her not to open it, she tried to claim that without opening it, she could not give me a boarding pass. :roll: Had to make a scene and loudly tell her to go eff off and called her supervisor for a dressing down before sanity prevailed on them.


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The interesting thing is that they never mention other areas of Indian technological advancement, like the nuclear programme, the missile programme, the warship building programme, the supercomputer programme, alternative energy et al. India is quite developed, in a few select technologies, more developed, than the UK in all these categories. But it is the space programme alone that is the focus of their censure. They must be deeply( though secretly) affected by India's impressive success on a shoestring budget.The multiple launches of foreign satellites and the first time success of the moon mission must have astonished them. They really do feel India is unreservedly ahead of them in this one industry. Hence the non-stop whining.


They would need to

After Germany, Britan was the first country in the world to delve on rockets although they were later overtaken by soviets and americans. Also it is important to remember that brtishers took Tipu sultan's rockets and didnt do much. Had they did some better research, they would have been number 1

Their space programme misreably failed in the Australia's Woomera launching facility in 1960's. They could never revive it back. Indians started from where they left literally

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The interesting thing is that they never mention other areas of Indian technological advancement, like the nuclear programme, the missile programme, the warship building programme, the supercomputer programme, alternative energy et al. India is quite developed, in a few select technologies, more developed, than the UK in all these categories. But it is the space programme alone that is the focus of their censure. They must be deeply( though secretly) affected by India's impressive success on a shoestring budget.The multiple launches of foreign satellites and the first time success of the moon mission must have astonished them. They really do feel India is unreservedly ahead of them in this one industry. Hence the non-stop whining.


Saar,
I think Nuke prog. and Space prog. have a lot of propaganda value for a nation. Even a layman would be impressed by these two prog.s. I think, this is the reason for the takleef towards these two prog.s.

The thing with Space prog. is that it is presented as epitome of development. You know, how fictions written about a day when Mars would be colonised by the futuristic human race. So, it is like you master Space prog., then pretty much you are at the epitome of development. That is the impression given out. This is, perhaps, why there was such fierce space rivalry between US and USSR during cold war. 'Man on Moon' was used by US for lots of propaganda value to 'prove' that capitalism has beaten communism in terms of achievement. Infact, it seems the whole space prog.s of both these countries was a costly affair whose aim was to project the grandeur of their respective nations.

This history reveals what is the takleef of people when they look at a country like India having a successful Space prog. They assume that India is also wanting to make grand statements by having a Space Prog.(which is assumed to be costly). They 'know' that India is poor. So, that really causes itching. Perhaps, they look at India as a country, which is actually poor, but trying to project fake richness through these Prog.s. I think the reason for this outlook is that Space Prog. has lots of propaganda value and, to see a former colony outdoing you is something few can bear. So, they develop this alternative outlook and then bash the prog. based on that outlook.


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has UK ever designed a IRBM or ICBM from cold war era till date or just shopped for american polaris and trident missiles? i read the launch orders for tridents and tomahawks need some american operator intervention in a scottish base because khan prefers to black box that from its client.


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i think the last british strategic missile was the blue steel from the mid 60's, around the time of the TSR2 strategic bomber and the lightining - all of which were technologically advanced for their time

my belief is that khan slowly but surely strangled this capability out of the brits, only the french defied khan and kept pumping money into this sector to build up some strategic independence


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johneeG wrote:
Saar,
I think Nuke prog. and Space prog. have a lot of propaganda value for a nation. Even a layman would be impressed by these two prog.s. I think, this is the reason for the takleef towards these two prog.s.
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True, and they are working hard to ensure they get their claws in these programs, in one they did make significant headway before being stalled again.


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Sriman wrote:
putnanja wrote:
That is the catch. You need to have a valid US visa to transit at Heathrow. If you are a H1b holder, with a valid H1b but with say no stamp in passport(F1->H1 conversion, common case), or if your previous H1b stamp in passport has expired, or if you using Advance Parole(with no stamp in PP), then you can't transit through Heathrow.

Correct. Ditto with Frankfurt and Paris. Brussels has no issues.


Frankfurt & Paris will let you transit from US to India even if you have no US visa stamp without transit visa. Heathrow is the height of pakiness here. Friend in univ needed transit visa(55 pounds) when he flew during summer break, with a valid F1 stamped on his passport.


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