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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02/29 ... -pipeline/
US Treasury Department cuts Iran's cash pipeline, sources say
The U.S. Treasury Department disrupted a Dubai-based banking operation that Washington believes had become Tehran's primary conduit for evading international sanctions and processing its oil sales, according to people briefed on the operation.The effort was particularly sensitive because the targeted institution in the United Arab Emirates is partly owned by the local government of Dubai, a close U.S. ally. The chairman of the bank, called the Noor Islamic Bank, is the son of Dubai's ruler.In mid-December, Noor agreed to close off what the people briefed on the operation characterized as Iran's single-largest channel for repatriating foreign-currency oil receipts -- facilitating as much as 60 percent of Iran's foreign oil sales by late last year, they estimated.That figure couldn't be corroborated. But last year, Iran is estimated to have earned more than $80 billion from oil exports -- transactions that came under increasing pressure over the course of 2011 as U.S. sanctions also closed Tehran's banking channels in India, East Asia and Europe.
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Undeterred India for moving ahead with Iran
Country is pushing hard to put the missing rail links in place

Notwithstanding the U.S. pressure to scale down its engagement with Iran, official sources here said the country not only remains an important source of oil for India, but is crucial to opening up routes to Central Asian and Caucasian countries, where New Delhi's quest for hydrocarbons and minerals is gathering critical mass.

“We recognise that Iran is the key to connecting with Central Asia,” said the sources while referring to a major meeting last month on a proposed Russia-Iran-India promoted North-South corridor that would originate from Bandar Abbas leading to Russia and other countries via the Caspian Sea.

India has “taken the lead” and is “pushing hard” to put the missing rail links in place so that a seamless route from Bandar Abbas port to Russia and Central Asia opens up by next year by when the customs union of Russia-Kazakhstan-Byelorussia would have expanded to include other Eurasian countries.

Customs procedures

Besides the three original signatories, over 15 countries have joined the north-south project. In addition to putting in place missing railways links of about 200 km, all the sides will have to harmonise their customs procedures to make the endeavour workable. Currently Indian goods enter Russia through the Baltic ports of St. Petersburg and Kotka, the European port of Rotterdam and the Ukrainian ports of Illychevsk and Odessa.

Iran, said the sources, was also critical to stabilising Afghanistan as part of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) grouping after the NATO forces scale down their operations in 2014. Nearly all the countries surrounding Afghanistan are either members or observers to the SCO and they said, “we take it [the SCO] as an important platform to discuss the post-2014 situation in Afghanistan.”

India is also closely following the development of another route into Central Asia via Iran and Afghanistan into Uzbekistan. Currently a portion of the route (part of the the Northern Distribution Network) — from Termez in Uzbekistan to Mazar-e-Sharif — is used by the NATO to transfer non-lethal supplies for its forces to Afghanistan.

Alternative route

A western spur from Mazar to Herat would go to Delaram, follow an India-built road till the Iran border and, if the missing rail link is constructed, will connect to the Iranian port of Chabar. India is also interested in another alternative route that would go from Mazar to Iran's Sangan and Kerman cities and ending at Bandar Abbas port.

Both these routes bypass Pakistan and the insurgency-hit southern Afghanistan, while giving it access to Central Asia. In both cases as well as the North-South route, India will have to ship its goods to the Iranian ports and then transport them by land into Afghanistan and Central Asian countries in the north and the east.

However, the sources admitted that the intense U.S. pressure has put the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline on the back burner for the moment. While not involving Iran, a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan's South Yolotan gas pipeline to Afghanistan, Pakistan and India is making rapid progress. But Iran remains central in plans to source gas and oil from Central Asia, where political goodwill for India has resulted in allocation of the Satpayev oil block in Kazakhstan despite intense interest shown by China. India is also discussing the sourcing of gas from Uzbekistan's Karakalpakstan region with talks having gathered pace during its President Islam Karimov's visit last year.
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India has to stand firm and protect its own interests which are growing in Central Asia/Iran.We must also build up a strategic oil reserve of at least one year and buy as much Iranian oil at a discount now as possible.If need be,Indian tankers should have IN protection while they transit the Gulf.
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When insanity rules the world
Prem Shankar Jha

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/ar ... epage=true
India should resist the West's brazen efforts to use championship of democracy as a cover for regime change.

In June 1914, Serbian ultra-nationalists calling themselves the Black Hand managed to kill Archduke Ferdinand, the heir apparent to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian empire, in Sarajevo and ignited the First World War. None of the Great Powers wanted that war. None expected it to last more than four weeks. It lasted four years and took 19.5 million lives. Today, three apparently coordinated attacks on Israeli diplomats in Georgia, India and Thailand, for which Tel Aviv is strenuously blaming Iran, could become the spark for a similar conflagration in the Middle East.

The comparison is not as fanciful as it sounds, for the configuration of forces in the international state system is beginning to resemble what existed in the decade before the First World War. The most striking similarities are the decline in the economic power of the hegemonic nation — Britain then, the United States today; challenges from new aspirants to hegemony, Germany then (with the U.S. lurking in the wings), China and Salafi Islam today; attempts to shore up hegemony through alliances with like-minded nations — Britain, France and Russia then — the U.S., the European Union and Israel today; the emergence of a bunker mentality that hardens stances and progressively closes the avenues for peace through accommodation; and a growing temptation to use military power to pre-empt potential challenges even before they arise.

Minor player

In 1914 it was Austria, a minor player in the great power game, that lit the fuse that blew up Europe. It could have chosen to accept Serbia's frantic efforts to make amends after the assassination. But it chose to invade Serbia in order to teach its own fractious nationalities a lesson. Serbia was allied to Russia, Russia to France and France to Britain. Austria, on the other hand, was allied to the principal challenger for hegemony in Europe, Germany. None of the great powers wanted war, but none felt sufficiently secure or had the confidence to back off from its commitments. The result was a war that wiped out the flower of a generation in Europe.

Today, it is once more the smallest and least secure member of the western alliance, Israel, that is threatening to light the fuse in the Middle East. Unable, or perhaps unwilling, to make peace with the Palestinians on terms that they can accept, it now perceives the mere existence of states in its neighbourhood that are not reconciled to its existence as a threat to its existence. Iran heads the list.

Israel has given a virtual ultimatum to its partners that if they cannot stop Iran from setting up uranium enrichment plants, it will take unilateral military action to stop it from doing so. Instead of dissuading Tel Aviv in unequivocal terms, Barack Obama has dithered between privately reining it in, and publicly supporting it by sending two aircraft carrier groups into the Arabian Sea and threatening to use “other means” if Iran does not stop its nuclear enrichment programme.

Dangerous moment

Israel's brinkmanship has come at a dangerous moment because, for reasons both domestic and international, Europe, the U.S., Russia, China (the new kid on the block), and Iran, are suffering from a crisis of confidence that makes them wary of appearing weak in the eyes of the international community and their own people. Tired of unending economic woes at home and fighting a losing battle against the Taliban in Afghanistan, the U.S. and the EU have seized upon the so-called Arab Spring in a desperate bid to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. To do so, they are posing as champions of democracy and human rights, who have come to the aid of the long suppressed Arab “people” in their fight for democracy against corrupt, brutal and autocratic rulers. In their eagerness to don the mantle of saviours they have not merely abandoned the secular, albeit autocratic, regimes that had kept the peace in the Middle East for four decades, but trampled upon the last remnants of the doctrine of national sovereignty upon which the international order, indeed international law itself, has been based for the last 350 years.

Thus in January last year, Mr. Obama virtually forced Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to resign; in February, the U.S. and the EU joined hands to destroy the Qadhafi regime in Libya; less than two months later, they embarked upon a campaign to oust the Baath regime of Basher-al-Assad in Syria.

Unfortunately, the Arab Spring hasn't turned out quite the way the West had hoped, for in every country, the secular democratic elements have been swamped by an Islamist upsurge. Faced with a possibility that these governments could turn out to be far more anti-West and anti-Israel than their predecessors, the West has turned to the orthodox Wahabi establishment of Saudi Arabia and the Sunni sheikhs of the UAE to keep the Muslim brotherhood and more extreme Salafi factions in check. But these regimes too have been feeling the cold winds of the Arab Spring and have hastened to find ways of diverting them elsewhere. They have done so by reviving a far older conflict — between Sunni and Shia Islam, between Arabs and Persians.

Syria, the convergence point

Syria has become the convergence point of both this conflict and the U.S.' and the EU's struggle to protect Israel at any cost. This is because it is an anomaly. It is an authoritarian country ruled by a minority in which the religious majority has not shown any signs of restiveness for more than 40 years. It is a deeply religious but secular country in which men and women mingle freely in the workplace, in markets, and in restaurants; where movies are not banned and drinking liquor is not haraam. It is western enough to have a national symphony orchestra and a western music conservatoire patronised by the President of the country, but is also an unabashed champion of Arab nationalism and the rights of the Palestinians, willing to cooperate with Iran and the Hezbollah to further their cause.

In Israeli and American eyes, it is precisely Syria's (and Libya's) capacity for independent action, and the remote possibility that it might become a conduit for Iranian fidayeen to penetrate and attack Israel, which turns it into a threat. That is why the Assad regime must now be destroyed, much as Qadhafi was four months ago.

India has been asked to join the high table at which the U.S., the EU and Israel already sit and has so far been a none-too-unwilling guest. It has either abstained, or voted for, every resolution tabled in the U.N. by the hegemonic powers in favour of militarily enforced regime change in the Middle East. It is again faced with a non-binding resolution in the Security Council, being brought by Saudi-and UAE-dominated Arab League, demanding that Mr. Assad “move aside.” And Israel is already urging India to support a resolution in the Security Council condemning Iran for the bomb attack on its diplomat in Delhi, before its agencies have completed their investigations.

New Delhi can be forgiven if it is tempted to stay on at the high table. But it has a duty, to not only its own people but the rest of the world, to get off it and become an independent voice of sanity and moderation. It must stoutly oppose the West's brazen effort to turn the championship of democracy and human rights into a cover for regime change. This is the most complete violation of Article 2 of the U.N. Charter that is possible to imagine. The U.S., and now the EU have decided to ignore their commitments as signatories of the U.N. Charter and have twisted the U.N. into an unrecognisable parody of itself. But for scores of small countries, its Charter remains the only refuge from international anarchy and a headlong plunge into Hobbes' State of Nature. India must speak up for them. As the most open and democratic and the least threatening large country in the world, it has far better credentials to do so than Russia and China. It must not leave this task to them alone.

Balance smashed

For decades, peace in the Middle East had depended on a balance between secular nations that subscribed to the ideals of social freedom and gender equality, and traditionalist emirates and monarchies, created or sustained by the western powers to safeguard their interests in Arab oil. Today, the West has all but smashed that balance. Only fools can persuade themselves that handing over control of the Arab world to the Salafis who planned, participated in, and certainly approved of the destruction of the World Trade Centre, will make terrorism go away. But only those who are fools twice over can believe that allowing Israel to trigger a ruinous war with Iran will make the world “safer for humanity.” What it will do is to unleash the fury of Shia terrorism as well on the West. One shudders to think of where that road could lead.
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vikramd wrote:Having blunt talks with India, China on Iran: US
What arrogance!

After spending the last 11 years propping up Pakistan with $40 billion in money and arms (the equivalent of India's entire military budget for 2 years!), the US has created a monster on our border far more viscious than ever before. Thanks to US aid, Pakistan has built up not just a formidable conventional force but also a potent nuclear arsenal now capable of destroying every single major Indian city and military base in a matter of minutes. Whereas before Pakistan was an irritant, the US has now transformed them into a major existential threat to our country.

The US had the chance to do the right thing in 2001, but they chose instead to make a devil's bargain with Pakistan at our expense. Now 11 years later, we see the result.

After all that, the US has the supreme arrogance to demand we sabotage our own economic growth to help them strangle Iran? They're going to make "blunt" demands as if we ever owed them anything? This is a country that has done nothing but undermine us and get our people killed for the last 60+ years.

I can only hope our leaders have unexpectedly found their collective balls and told the US to f*ck off. I agree with Phillip: if anything we should be increasing our oil shipments from Iran to build up a strategic stockpile. We need to be preparing for the inevitable US-Jew attack on Iran and the resulting oil disruption\price spike that will result.
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What's at stake in Iran's elections
By Pepe Escobar
Parliamentary elections this Friday in Iran are far from being free and fair. Well, at least that's a step beyond those paragons of democracy - the election-free Persian Gulf monarchies.

In Iran, this time the problem is there's no opposition; it's cons (conservatives) against neo-cons.

The Green Movement leaders, Mir Hossein Mousavi and his wife, Dr Zahra Rahnavard, as well as Mehdi Karroubi, have been under house arrest for over a year now; echoing Myanmar's Aung Suu Kyi, but more vocally, they have repeatedly stressed they will not "repent".

Virtually all key opposition leaders, including university activists, almost 1,000 people, are in jail; not because they're criminals but because they're very canny organizers of popular anger.

The most influential opposition groups have in fact been outlawed - and that even includes groups of clerics and the Islamically correct Association of Teachers and Scholars in the holy city of Qom. No fewer than 42 influential journalists are also in jail.

The absolute majority of the reformist press has been shut down. Non-government organizations such as the Center for the Defense of Human Rights, founded by Nobel Prize winner Shirin Ebadi, have been outlawed.

A short definition of these elections would be something like this; a byzantine scheme of power sharing between political groups representing a very small elite, while large swathes of the population - and their representatives - are totally sidelined.

Essentially, this will be a fierce battle between Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. So why do these elections matter so much?

Welcome to the Islamic UFC
Khamenei-Ahmadinejad is now a cage match. Stripped to the bone, it's the fight between the ayatollah and the man with a halo over his head that will set the stage for the next presidential election, in June 2013 - when in the best of possible worlds there will be an Obama II, and the specter of war might have been averted.

Whenever lazy, prejudiced and nuance-adverse Western corporate media refer to Iran, it's all about "the mullahs". No; it's infinitely more complicated than that.

Khamenei is betting on an "epic event" of an election involving a turnout of at least 60%. That's far from a given - and that's why the regime is pulling no punches. This Wednesday, the Leader himself laid out his view of what's at stake: "Thanks to divine benevolence, the Iranian nation will give a slap harder than the previous ones in the face of Arrogance [as in the US] and will show its decisiveness to the enemy so that the front of Arrogance understands that it can't do anything when confronting this nation."

Yet this is more about the internal front than the "front of Arrogance". At this supremely delicate stage, Khamenei badly craves legitimacy. He needs to show that he is in charge, widely respected, that most Iranians still believe in the current Islamic Republic system, and thus ignored the opposition's call to boycott the elections.

The economy is a disaster, to a certain extent because of Western sanctions but most of all because of the Ahmadinejad administration's cosmic corruption and astonishing incompetence. The Khamenei camp is actively stressing the point, while positioning the Leader above it all.

Finally there's the "front of Arrogance" - the non-stop threats of an attack by Israel, the US or both. Khamenei needs the graphic proof - in the polling booth - the country is united against foreign intervention.

The role of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) is also key. We should not forget: this is now a military dictatorship of the mullahtariat. The IRGC badly wants to control the Majlis - for their own reasons.

This would allow them, simultaneously, to monopolize the tools to impeach Ahmadinejad if they need/want to and/or eliminate a president elected by popular vote and reinstate the position of prime minister - who would be picked by the Majlis. The undisguised IRGC position is essentially that they need to control the Majlis, otherwise the "sedition" - as in the Green movement - will return.

Meet the players
So on one side, we have the so-called "principlists" - let's call them the Khamenei party. They are - in theory - led by Ayatollah Mohammad Reza Kani, the chairman of the Council of Experts. But in practice, whatever powerful, former IRGC commanders say, goes.

A key candidate in their list is Gholam Haddad Adel, the father-in-law of Khamenei's second son, Mojtaba. He's running for a Tehran seat. This means, crucially, that the IRGC positioned the election in Tehran as a de facto referendum on Khamenei. That's something to watch closely.

The principlists boast a "United Front" that actually became seriously disunited (scattered in at least four groups). They fear the Ahmadinejad faction will manipulate the vote - via the Interior Ministry; it's an open secret in Tehran that the Ahmadinejad people have been furiously bribing blue-collar workers and peasants. The principlists know if Ahmadinejad controls the Majlis, he can't be impeached, and will confront Khamenei even more forcefully.

On the other side, we have an outfit called the Durable Front of the Islamic Revolution. Let's call them the Ahmadinejad faction. They claim to be the real principlists - and essentially are disciples of the mega-reactionary Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi. Now that's a tough cookie; many times I visited his hawza in Qom, but Mesbah Yazdi refuses to talk to foreign journalists.

Ahmadinejad used to be an adoring Mesbah Yazdi worshipper. But then a theological bomb exploded; Ahmadinejad started to publicly boast that he was directly linked to the hidden Imam Mahdi - and not to the Supreme Leader, in thesis the Mahdi's representative on earth. Mesbah Yazdi was mildly horrified. He then started saying he is not the party's leader - but people hardly believe it. If they capture a lot of seats, Mesbah Yazdi will be even stronger among the neo-cons.

A third faction is led Mohsen Rezaei, a former head of the IRGC between 1981 and 1997, and the current secretary-general of the Expediency Council, the body that mediates between the Majlis and the Council of Guardians and also advises Khamenei. Among conservatives and neo-cons, this faction is not exactly very popular, even though Rezaei's game is to position himself as a viable third way.

And then there are the conservatives and neo-cons who are not aligned with anyone, with a major group led by two fierce Ahmadinejad critics, and at least 200 smaller groups.

To give an idea about the tortuous nature of the system, the major group presented a lot of current Majlis representatives, as well as other regime figures, as candidates. In the initial screening, run by the Ahmadinejad-controlled Ministry of Interior, they were rejected; but then the Guardian Council said they were OK ...

So no one should expect a Kim Jong-ilesque turn out this Friday. Expectations for Tehran are a paltry 15% - and that may be even less. A crushing majority of university students will definitely follow the boycott.

Anyone interested in examining the extraordinary impact of the aftermath of the 2009 elections in Tehran should read Death to the Dictator: A Young Man Casts a Vote in Iran's 2009 Election and Pays a Devastating Price, by Afsaneh Moqadam (Sarah Crichton Books, Farrar, Straus and Giroux).

In small town Iran and faraway provinces, the Leader - as well as the "man of the people" with a halo over his head - may still be popular. But no one, anywhere, really knows for sure whether the absolute majority of Iranians would do anything to support them.
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ramana wrote:If all those countries depend on non Iran based oil wont that drive up the price of oil and thus drag the US economy down?

Whats the point of blunt talks when it hurts ones own economy which is in doldrums as BB said today!
Destruction of dollar as the global currency is essential to foist a carbon credit based or a digital currency based economy.
Globalists can then control people by supplying or denying them 'money' based on the individual's acceptance of their global technocratic dictatorship.
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Y. Kanan wrote:
vikramd wrote:Having blunt talks with India, China on Iran: US
What arrogance!

After spending the last 11 years propping up Pakistan with $40 billion in money and arms (the equivalent of India's entire military budget for 2 years!), the US has created a monster on our border far more viscious than ever before. Thanks to US aid, Pakistan has built up not just a formidable conventional force but also a potent nuclear arsenal now capable of destroying every single major Indian city and military base in a matter of minutes. Whereas before Pakistan was an irritant, the US has now transformed them into a major existential threat to our country.
That's their order out of chaos trick. pakistan was created to create chaos in the sub-continent, so they could impose their order. If there was no pakistan then no terrorist training camps, no taliban and al-qaeda, no war on terror, no massive profits that are being made everytime a million dollar missile is fired by a predator drone to kill talibanis, no ruse to setup military bases, no indulging in massive spying of every individual on this planet by means of electronic surveillance.
Y. Kanan wrote:I can only hope our leaders have unexpectedly found their collective balls and told the US to f*ck off. I agree with Phillip: if anything we should be increasing our oil shipments from Iran to build up a strategic stockpile. We need to be preparing for the inevitable US-Jew attack on Iran and the resulting oil disruption\price spike that will result.
this will only put indian lives at risk for no fault of ours. time to play smart and move out of the way, war is imminent and has been planned to the last detail. we should cut our imports from iran and search for alternative sources to meet the shortfall.
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Not sure if already read,

India begins use of Chabahar port in Iran despite international pressure

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ssure.html
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Yet another play. Shipping Company Insurance :)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/ ... DV20120301

Global oil reserves are sufficient?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/ ... U720120301
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Now that things are being warmed up for the persians, I dearly hope there will not be a second version of the langoti-centric movie "300" foisted on the world.
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So many US ally nations. The sunni's have sold themselves to the west to the detriment of shias. So much for the ummah brotherhood. The underdogs have a choice to fade away silently in lieu of sunni dominance of islam or go out guns blazing.
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I have a very bad feeling about Iran and US. This is going to be a bloody summer. Chinese will play the surprise factor.
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More update. Its a dilemma for the US how far to push India since China might have objections too ?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0f1daa50-61c6 ... z1nyL3oq83
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India did outsource it's foreign policy wrt iran when it signed the indo-us nuke deal.

The nuke deal was signed in 2005. It's inception was much earlier. Probably originated to counter the conception of the indo-pak-iran pipeline project.

This reveals that the intent to attack iran was conceived much earlier. 9/11 guaranteed an iranian invasion.

First afghanistan(osama), then iraq(saddam) and now iran(ahmadinejad)... All this can't be a co-incidence.

The indo-us nuke deal is not complete. It didn't give us access to ENR in a capacity that we had expected. IOW, We didn't get what we asked for. India didn't get what it signed up for.

The deal guides india's foreign policy wrt iran but if the US and the NSG has openly disregarded the deal then india too must disregard any clauses which assists US plans wrt iran.
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vikramd wrote:this will only put indian lives at risk for no fault of ours. time to play smart and move out of the way, war is imminent and has been planned to the last detail. we should cut our imports from iran and search for alternative sources to meet the shortfall.
Why would importing Iranian oil put Indian lives at risk? Does it put Indian lives at risk to pay Saudi Arabia for oil instead of Iran? Let's help fund more Saudi maddrasses in India to further poison our muslim youth. Let's give our hard-earned dollars to the Saudi-Pak terror nexus so they can pay more militants to kill our people.

And let's do all this to please the Americans (and their Jew masters) - the very same people wo happily made a deal with Pakistan to redirect their terrorism against India in exchange for aid.
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Visions of violence in defense of the dollar
“In contrast to the murderous vision of violent extremists, we are joining with allies and partners around the world to build their capacity to promote security, prosperity, and human dignity,” wrote U.S. President Barack Obama in a document entitled “Sustaining U.S. Global Leadership”.

While not identifying the “violent extremists” referred to by President Obama, the report details the United States’ own vision of violent extremism being directed against Iran. Diminishing hopes for peace in the Middle East, the war department report makes it crystal clear that U.S. policy in the Persian Gulf has two objectives: first, denying Iran’s right to develop peaceful nuclear technology, and second, providing unflinching support for the Zionist regime’s paranoid pursuit of security.

According to the report, “U.S. policy will emphasize [Persian] Gulf security, in collaboration with [Persian] Gulf Cooperation Council countries when appropriate, to prevent Iran’s development of a nuclear weapon capability and counter its destabilizing policies. The United States will do this while standing up for Israel’s security and a comprehensive Middle East peace.”

Under the claim of standing up for the “security” of the Zionist regime, the U.S. has employed its own “murderous vision” here: a build-up to a war with Iran that appears to be a carbon copy of the scenario used in the march to war with Iraq in 2003. A U.S. Congressional Research Service report on the Iraq war captures the essence of the plot: “After 16 weeks, inspectors turned up some evidence of undeclared activities, but not enough to convince a majority of the Security Council members that military force was necessary. Nonetheless, on March 19, 2003, U.S. and British forces attacked Iraq to forcibly eliminate its WMD.”

The pretext for the Anglo-American invasion was based on unresolved issues outstanding since 1998, which according to UN Monitoring, Verification, and Inspection Commission Chief Hans Blix, neither verified nor excluded the possibility that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. Iraq had even agreed to overflights by U.S. U-2 spy planes, about which then president George W. Bush alleged that Iraq was merely stalling for time. Of course, no WMDs were ever found in Iraq.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has reiterated Iran’s willingness to resume negotiations with the Western powers and has even allowed a team of International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors to return to Iran. These inspectors may find some ambiguous, inconsequential shred of evidence, the significance of which may then be magnified to gargantuan proportions by the Western media, and held up as proof positive of the “smoking gun” confirming the existence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program. The inspectors will exit Iran and present their findings; there will be an exchange of charges and denials; ultimatums will ensue; and then Israel may make a provocative move. In an understandable and justifiable response, Iran may close the Strait of Hormuz, causing an anticipated 50% rise in crude oil prices, resulting in widespread economic havoc. Also, March 20, 2012, which is Noruz, the Iranian New Year, is the target date for the Iranian oil bourse to begin trading crude oil in currencies other than the U.S. dollar.

The dispute over Iran's nuclear program is nothing more than a convenient excuse for the U.S. to use threats to protect the “reserve currency” status of the dollar. Recall that Saddam announced Iraq would no longer accept dollars for oil purchases in November 2000 and the U.S.-Anglo invasion occurred in March 2003. Similarly, Iran opened its oil bourse in 2008, so it is a credit to Iranian negotiating ability that the “crisis” has not come to a head long before now.

Europe is on the brink economic chaos due to the prudent monetary policies of the European Central Bank, which has refused to print money to buy government debt, quite unlike the U.S. Federal Reserve. Having been lured by cheap 1% bailout loans from the Fed to prevent government defaults, Europe caved in to the Zionist-inspired U.S. pressure and agreed to shoot itself in the financial foot by imposing oil sanctions on Iran, thus guaranteeing a European double-dip recession. For the U.S., however, these financial events help ensure that the euro will not pose the threat it once did to the dollar’s hegemony over oil transactions.

In contrast, India has declared it will buy Iranian crude in gold and China is expected to follow suit. Both nations have robust economies and nuclear weapons as well, so the U.S. will probably not do anything beyond sending trade missions headed by U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to both countries to beg for currency devaluation and jobs. China is especially significant, since it holds a plethora of dollars as a result of perpetual U.S. trade deficits. What this suggests is that China may now be preparing to dump its dollar holdings, absorb its losses, and allow the renminbi to float on world currency markets.

One of the few growth sectors in the U.S. is the arms industry, and this is partially fueled by the over 3 billion dollars the U.S. sends to Israel as foreign military aid, almost 75% of which returns to U.S. arms manufacturers (Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon to name a few) as weapons purchases. With facilities throughout the U.S., the arms industry can pressure senators and representatives into opposing defense budget cuts by threatening plant closures in their respective districts at election time. This partially explains why both Democrats and Republicans are hawks and usually support every war.

Remember also, since the end of the Bretton Woods system in 1971, the U.S. dollar “floats” on world currency markets and is not backed by gold. This occurred because the U.S. was running out of gold reserves trying to finance its obscene war in Vietnam. Supported in part by the mammoth Greenspan-created credit bubble until it burst in 2007, the once-almighty dollar is now backed by the power of the U.S. military, which enforces its acceptance in world markets and will continue to do so as long as the United States is the sole remaining superpower.

Unless the U.S. is willing to concede defeat to the Asian economic powers, led by China and India, it has no other option except to use military force to postpone the inevitable demise of the dollar. This means it must either choose to support Israel’s paranoia about Iran, or watch the dollar and its global empire ride off into the sunset.
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Y. Kanan wrote:
vikramd wrote:this will only put indian lives at risk for no fault of ours. time to play smart and move out of the way, war is imminent and has been planned to the last detail. we should cut our imports from iran and search for alternative sources to meet the shortfall.
Why would importing Iranian oil put Indian lives at risk?
I explained in my previous post how pakistan is an american ally in this order out of chaos policy. Think what will happen if India refuses to stop buying iranian oil, more chaos will be engineered in the region. terrorist attacks will be launched by pakistani terror groups against india while america will protect pakistan from any indian retaliation, giving the same old lecture about maintaining restraint. Havent we seen this after so many attacks now. Paki-American terrorist david headley is not prosecuted and given full protection by the american govt while the pakistani plotter of attacks hafiz saaed is given protection by pakistan govt which america funds to the tune of billions of dollars. Its time the Indian govt start protecting innocent Indian lives by understanding this evil game that is being played by american pakistan combine in the region.
Y. Kanan wrote: Does it put Indian lives at risk to pay Saudi Arabia for oil instead of Iran? Let's help fund more Saudi maddrasses in India to further poison our muslim youth. Let's give our hard-earned dollars to the Saudi-Pak terror nexus so they can pay more militants to kill our people.
I said "cut our imports from iran and search for alternative sources to meet the shortfall". Saudi Arabia is the not sole option, African states and Russia are major producers of crude oil, we can import from there.
Y. Kanan wrote:And let's do all this to please the Americans (and their Jew masters) - the very same people wo happily made a deal with Pakistan to redirect their terrorism against India in exchange for aid.
Blaming a particular religion wont solve the problem. All these preparations are to impose new world order thru the order out of chaos policy. Understanding and defeating this policy while protecting Indian lives should be the main concern of the govt.
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@vikramd
The US has no real objective in iran other than to bomb the hell out of it. That's no strategy; it's plain hillbilly stuff.

The only way the game could be broken is if the governor(the pakistani army) of the tanzims looses full control. Incidents like the chinese women getting shot in karachi or that shahzad guy trying to bomb a US city shows that they(the PA) does not have full control over its tanzims.

The real question is:
1) How can india help the tanzims to run wild?
2) How can india help the tanzims to get the bum?

My argument is that the sunni's give full compliance to the west. But the shias faced with the predicament of extermination might just decide to do a gamble.
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Sanctions and bombing the hell out of it is to damage their nuclear aspirations first. Next to make the people ask what the regime has done for the people and eventually over power the regime.
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nvishal wrote:@vikramd
The US has no real objective in iran other than to bomb the hell out of it. That's no strategy; it's plain hillbilly stuff.
There are large reserves of oil in Iran, owning them or destroying them would raise the price of oil which will immensely benefit american oil barons.
nvishal wrote:The only way the game could be broken is if the governor(the pakistani army) of the tanzims looses full control. Incidents like the chinese women getting shot in karachi or that shahzad guy trying to bomb a US city shows that they(the PA) does not have full control over its tanzims.
Funding for 9/11 was provided by pakistani army general, what did america do? nothing


china knows terrorists attacking it in xinjiang are pakistani trained, what does it do? nothing. afterall communists are controlled opposition and were fathered by wall-street. current amercian and chinese govt will gladly sacrifice millions of their citizens.
nvishal wrote:My argument is that the sunni's give full compliance to the west. But the shias faced with the predicament of extermination might just decide to do a gamble.
iske baare main mujhe patha nahin, maybe or may not be
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@shyamd
Bombing can't damage what they already know. Attacking iran will send a jingo wave down every gulli and nukkad in iran.

Afg taliban had a tentative strength of 50,000
Iraq had a strength of 4,50,000
Iran has almost 40,00,000

Face it, the US won't put boots on the ground. Without boots on the ground, there can't be a regime change.
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vikramd wrote:There are large reserves of oil in Iran, owning them or destroying them would raise the price of oil which will immensely benefit american oil barons.
What kind of assessment is this?

It's a simple demand v/s supply theory. The oil prices will rise world over, not to mention the slowdown in economy it will cause.
nvishal wrote:Funding for 9/11 was provided by pakistani army general, what did america do? nothing
The PA also won the afganistan war. So?

It's not a secret that PA is an unfaithful ally but it is still an ally. It might not be the best governor but it is the only governor the US is ever going to get in this region.
nvishal wrote:china knows terrorists attacking it in xinjiang are pakistani trained, what does it do? nothing.
An unreliable governor is better than no governor according to the cost benefit ratio.
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nvishal wrote:@shyamd
Bombing can't damage what they already know. Attacking iran will send a jingo wave down every gulli and nukkad in iran.

Afg taliban had a tentative strength of 50,000
Iraq had a strength of 4,50,000
Iran has almost 40,00,000

Face it, the US won't put boots on the ground. Without boots on the ground, there can't be a regime change.
Damage what they already know? The aim is to delay the nuclear process for a few years. Not a long term solution. Long term solution is regime change. You don't need boots on the ground for regime change - coup combined with people's uprising is all that is needed.

Iran's army will be sitting ducks once their air force and air defence, navy is destroyed.
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shyamd wrote:The aim is to delay the nuclear process for a few years.
Obviously
shyamd wrote:You don't need boots on the ground for regime change - coup combined with people's uprising is all that is needed.
Post foreign invasion? No chance
shyamd wrote:Iran's army will be sitting ducks once their air force and air defence, navy is destroyed.
Forget that sort of clash. That iranian military is a hit and run menace of 3-4 million rag tag troops. IOW, iran is an ambush territory 7x times the strength of afg.
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There will be no invasion, only air force and special forces operations. Possibly naval blockade.

Regime change doesn't need boots on the ground - see Egypt for example
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shyamd ji,

IMHO, the Iranian regime change would be effected through uprisings among the ethnic minorities - Azeris, Kurds, Khuzestani Arabs, Baloch, etc. and a possible external intervention by GCC+USA.

Should the Iranian regime fail to keep the country together, it would lose legitimacy very quickly, and Iranians would turn nationalist.
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Yup. That's the plan I think. popular uprising plus a coup is the aim.

But the opinions are still quite divided, some say that if the US attacks, the regime will strengthen with internal support. These are coming from Iranians. Many of my Iranian friends also say the same. A former senior general in the shah regime who was asking the shah to execute the ayatollahs today agrees with what the current regime is doing with regards to the west. So there is some evidence to it.

Brzeizinski insists the mood to attack Iran is only from the top Israeli govt echelons as supposed to popular support from the israeli people. He says that the Mossad and other intel services are also against the plans to hit Iran. I disagree with him on the latter based on what I hear.
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Iran oil embargo questioned
Lloyd's List Intelligence said China appeared to have turned instead to Angola and Venezuela. But India raised the amount of crude oil imported from Iran in January to 16.2m barrels. This represented a jump of 53% compared with the previous month and is two-thirds higher than average levels recorded last year.

India, South Korea and Japan are among the nations most dependent on imports shipped via the strait of Hormuz. These three, together with China, were the only four nations to take more than 100m tonnes of crude oil via seaborne shipments from the Gulf last year. Italy, Greece and Spain were the most significant European importers of Iranian oil in 2011.
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nvishal wrote:
vikramd wrote:There are large reserves of oil in Iran, owning them or destroying them would raise the price of oil which will immensely benefit american oil barons.
What kind of assessment is this?

It's a simple demand v/s supply theory. The oil prices will rise world over, not to mention the slowdown in economy it will cause.
well you said "The US has no real objective in iran other than to bomb the hell out of it. That's no strategy; it's plain hillbilly stuff."

The real objective is to control oil. That's my point, i hope you get it now.
nvishal wrote:
vikramd wrote:Funding for 9/11 was provided by pakistani army general, what did america do? nothing
The PA also won the afganistan war. So?
First its the Afghan Mujhahideen who won the war, not PA.

You said"The only way the game could be broken is if the governor(the pakistani army) of the tanzims looses full control. Incidents like the chinese women getting shot in karachi or that shahzad guy trying to bomb a US city shows that they(the PA) does not have full control over its tanzims."

My point is america will not abandon even if pakistan loses control of it tanzeems and they start attacking america. It will ignore it just like the pakistani involvement in 9/11 was ignored and never fully investigated.
nvishal wrote:
vikramd wrote:china knows terrorists attacking it in xinjiang are pakistani trained, what does it do? nothing.
An unreliable governor is better than no governor according to the cost benefit ratio.
Then why are you suggesting PA losing control of its tanzeems will change the dynamics of its relationship with china? You are arguing against your own point.
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shyamd wrote:Yup. That's the plan I think. popular uprising plus a coup is the aim.

But the opinions are still quite divided, some say that if the US attacks, the regime will strengthen with internal support. These are coming from Iranians. Many of my Iranian friends also say the same.
shyamd ji,

I think if any external power attacks Iran, say for the reason of stopping Iran's quest for nukes, the Persians would rally to support the Islamic regime! However if there is uprising among the various ethnicities, and some external powers manage to intervene with the excuse to rescue those ethnicities, then the issue would look very much different.

Then those ethnicities would be considered traitors, but the regime too would be dragged over hot coals for allowing the ethnic group to feel isolated, and as Shi'ism as a model failed to deliver on keeping the country together.

In the aftermath of a disembodying war, the regime would be severely weakened, even as the people would support it during the war!

The thing is Iranians do not understand why their country has been crying hoarse about the Palestinian issue. The hardliners do use that plank, but the general population is more interested in the well-being of Iran itself. If the people start believing that their country got dismembered because of some useless anti-Israeli propaganda of the hardliners, then there is going to be a backlash from the nationalists.

I don't think the GCC+Turkey+USA+Israel should attack Iran solely due to the nuclear question. They should bring Iran to a boiling point like in Syria say in Kurdish or Azeri region, and then intervene there, and at the same time they can try disabling the nuclear program.

But if it is just an attack or a war due to the nuclear issue, then there is certainly going to be a consolidation of the regime's power!
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Iran Parliamentary elections - hardline conservative supporters of Khamanei triumph over Ahmadinejad's camp. First, the faction that could by some logic claim to be 'reformists' were forced out, and now even Ahmadinejad's camp is out. So now there is no more doubt that Grand Ayatollah Khamenei and the mullacracy is in direct and full charge of Iran (in case there was any doubt before).

Regime mouthpieces claim 64% voter turnout. However, some video footage floating around shows empty polling stations in various parts. Foreign journalists explicitly forbidden from visiting voting stations other than the 3 or 4 explicitly selected by their tour guides.
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The liberation of Iran can begin now.
Some here claim the Iranians to be liberals etc. They are still an Islamic country. The people May be to a certain extent when compared to Saudi Arabia. Most want to get out of the Arabian enforced ideology to their roots. That's they still consider Ahura Mazda to be their god. It's better to have a Parsi Iran than an Islamic one. Let the liberation begin. If the liberating forces can get to make Iran a liberal democracy, then this change can take place within a very short period of time. I'm all for a war that eliminates the current system in existence.
The after effects are Many. The west will never need Pakistan anymore. No more baksheesh. No more terrorists. And no more terroristan. If Iran gets liberated, the dismemberment of Pakistan can begin with much ease and the nuke threat from there will be eliminated.
There will be peace all over the world.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/0 ... 18370.html
Iran Elections 2012: Ahmadinejad Rivals Rack Up Wins
TEHRAN, Iran -- Conservative rivals of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad appeared on course Saturday to gain firm control of parliament after elections that could embolden Iran's nuclear defiance and give the ruling clerics a clear path to ensure a loyalist succeeds Ahmadinejad next year.Although Iran's 290-seat parliament has limited sway over key affairs – including military and nuclear policies – the elections highlight the political narratives inside the country since Ahmadinejad's disputed re-election in 2009 and sets the possible tone for his final 18 months in office.Reformists were virtually absent from the ballot, showing the crushing force of crackdowns on the opposition. Instead, Friday's elections became a referendum on Ahmadinejad's political stature after he tried to challenge the near-total authority of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to decide critical government policies such as intelligence and foreign affairs.The apparent setbacks for Ahmadinejad's backers, according to early results, could signal a decisive blow in the internal political conflicts and give hard-liners an even stronger voice in Iran's showdowns over its nuclear program.e results also greatly reduce Ahmadinejad's leverage to have a protege clear the ruling clerics' election vetting process and become a candidate to succeed him in mid-2013. It now seems likely that only staunch Khamenei loyalists could be in the running."It appears that the era of `Ahmadinejadism' in Iran's political history is gradually coming to an end," said prominent Tehran-based political analyst Davoud Hermidas Bavand.What that means is a much bigger comfort zone for the ruling system in a volatile time.Khamenei said Friday that Iran was moving into a "sensitive period" in the confrontation over Tehran's nuclear ambitions, which the U.S. and allies fear could lead to atomic weapons. Iran claims it only seeks nuclear reactors for energy and medical research.
Out of 197 winners that emerged by midday Saturday, at least 102 were conservatives who turned against Ahmadinejad after he openly challenged Khamenei. Also elected were six independent candidates opposed to Ahmadinejad.The remaining seats were split between Ahmadinejad supporters and centrists. At least 15 races will have to be decided in runoffs.Among the prominent anti-Ahmadinejad victors were: Gholam Ali Haddad Adel, whose daughter is married to Khamenei's son; and parliament speaker Ali Larijani, who was Iran's former nuclear negotiator.There were no immediate claims of irregularities – which touched off the huge protests in 2009 after accusations the results were rigged. But at least one Iran watcher, Israel-based analyst Meir Javedanfar, raised questions about the loss of Ahmadinejad's younger sister, Parvin, who was running for parliament in her home region southeast of Tehran where the family remains popular."This is likely to lead to even more infighting," he said.Already, Ahmadinejad's opponents are making plans for an unprecedented slap.
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Gareth Porter reviews the case:

Who was behind the Delhi bomb?
But a review of the evidence uncovered thus far makes the link to Iran begin to look very dubious. Instead, it points to the distinct possibility that the Israelis planned a carefully limited bomb attack that was not intended to cause serious injury to Israeli diplomatic personnel, but that would advance the larger Israeli narrative on the need to punish Iran.
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http://www.juancole.com/2012/03/khamene ... -bomb.html
Now, you could maintain that Khamenei is lying when he says he holds that possessing nuclear weapons is a grave sin. (You could also maintain that the Popes are lying when they say using birth control is a grave matter, but you’d have to explain why they put their papal authority on the line for a lie they weren’t forced to utter). But even if you think it is a lie, you have at least to report what he says. I guarantee you that Khamenei’s speech opposing nukes was not so much as mentioned on any of the major American news broadcasts.
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Carl wrote:Gareth Porter reviews the case:

Who was behind the Delhi bomb?
But a review of the evidence uncovered thus far makes the link to Iran begin to look very dubious. Instead, it points to the distinct possibility that the Israelis planned a carefully limited bomb attack that was not intended to cause serious injury to Israeli diplomatic personnel, but that would advance the larger Israeli narrative on the need to punish Iran.
For some reason, Gareth Porter does not mention the fact that the lady who rented the house in Thailand is already back in Iran.

If it was a false-flag, then would not Iran track her down and expose her?
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PIB
India-Iran to enhance cooperation in renewable energy
India and Iran have agreed to enhance cooperation in the field of renewable energy. In a meeting with President of Iran Mr. Mehmoud Ahmadinejad in Tehran, Union Minister of New and Renewable Energy Dr. Farooq Abdullah called for an enhancement in bilateral ties and economic cooperation with Iran especially in the field of renewable energy. President Ahmadinejad agreed that the two countries should use their full potential to enhance cooperation and bilateral ties.

Earlier in the day, Dr. Abdullah had a bilateral meeting with the Iranian Energy Minister, Mr. Majid Namjou. Mr. Namjou called India a leading country in the production of renewable energy. He added that Iran intended to develop renewable energies in cooperation with India. Dr. Abdullah outlined the progress that India had made in generating power through use of renewable energies, especially wind and solar. He also highlighted the progress of India’s National Solar Mission which has resulted in significant increase in installed capacity and an almost 40% fall in costs.

Dr. Abdullah also had bilateral meetings with the Governor-General of Shiraz, Mr. Hossein Sadegh Abedin, and Governor-General of Isfahan, Dr. Alireza Zakar Esfahani. Dr. Abdullah recalled the ancient, cultural and civilizational ties between the two countries and the similarities in lifestyle and languages of the two countries. He warmly spoke of the contributions of ancient Persia to Indian culture and architecture. He also called for enhanced cooperation in tourism, cultural exchanges and people to people contacts.

Dr. Abdullah was accompanied by Aga Syed Ruhullah Mehdi, Minister for Science & Technology and Information Technology, Animal and Sheep Husbandry, Government of Jammu & Kashmir and Shri Gireesh B. Pradhan, Secretary, Ministry of New and Renewable Energy, Government of India.
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Iran muscles in on Azerbaijan
Iran, a country with its own large Azeri minority, has for years been seeking to destabilize the secular government of Shi'ite Azerbaijan, a neighbor with vastly increasing wealth and one moving ever closer to the West in terms of security and energy.
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