Bharat Rakshak

I doubt it. It will be an expensive (and prolonged) war for both China and India. For China, it does not make an economic sense as there are no large oil/gas and other materials reserves in that region to justify conducting an expensive war.

This is not 1962; the world is much more integrated economy-wise. It is no longer just going to be isolated to the Himalayas if a war does break out. At the moment, IN can defeat PLAN in the Indian Ocean region. This means IN can effectively block Chinese shipping passing through between Middle East/Africa and China; thus, cutting off large chunks of energy and raw materials from a resource-hungry China.

Here's a bit about IN's role in the Kargil War:

but the dragon has already intruded into some unoccupied areas and MEA/GOI always instructs the IA to let it go.

they could occupy small chunks of many other unoccupied areas using the creeping method.

Lot of establishment fellows are there in this "study" Is it Psy war effort? Making it easy to increase fund allotment to defence sector - particularly in NE areas and development of missiles etc.

The border states of india adjoining china are several decades behind in any kind development. Much of that region in untouched terrain specifically cultivated for ambush. The massive resource buildup across the chinese border is baffling for indian security. It doesn't make any other sense.

From today's Rediff - not exactly a military move but if true, this could be construed as an "act of aggression":

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-is-china-behind-drying-up-of-brahmaputra-in-arunachal/20120301.htm

They could be testing the waters, pun intended

Will be interesting to see MEA response

Posting link from BR news page. This exercise is taking place while PRC foreign minister is IN India! That is clearly a slap on the face of the CCP! Hope the feelings of the Chinese people aren't hurt

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=17313

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/nasa- ... ion-181883

NASA LOSES COMMAND CODES TO CONTROL SPACE STATION:

Washington:  An unencrypted laptop computer stolen from NASA last year contained command codes used to control the International Space Station (ISS), media reports said.

The PC Magazine reported that the March 2011 theft of the computer containing the ISS command algorithms was just one of "5,408 computer security incidents (in 2010 and 2011) that resulted in the installation of malicious software on or unauthorized access to (NASA) systems", the agency's Inspector General Paul Martin informed the US House of Representatives in the letter dated Wednesday.

Other laptops stolen during the period in question contained data related to Orion, the Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle (MPCV) being built for NASA's future manned spaceflight missions. NASA reported "the loss or theft of 48 Agency mobile computing devices" between April 2009 and April 2011, reported Xinhua.

Such security incidents resulted in losses of more than $7 million. NASA believes some IT security breaches in the past two years originated from amateur hackers and cybercriminals, but that others may have been the work of foreign agents.

NASA has a $1.5 billion annual IT budget, of which approximately $58 million is spent on IT security. But the space agency is behind the curve when it comes to encrypting some of its most vulnerable IT assets, said the magazine.

Federal agencies encrypt about 54 percent of their laptops and other mobile devices on average, but as of Feb 1, 2012, NASA had only encrypted 1 percent of its own mobile systems.

NOW WE KNOW HOW CHINA'S SPACE PROGRAM IS PROGRESSING SO RAPIDLY......oops

Long overdue and much needed show of strength and just the right amount of symbolism in having the arunchali IAF officer fly the sukhoi in the lead. More such exercises at needed to keep the chinese from believing in their own hype and doing something stupid.

The exercise is rich in symbolism. Please note that PRC invaded Vietnam ( I believe in 1978 or 1979) when ABV was visiting as foreign minister. They also detonated a multi megaton nuke when Indian defense minister Venkataraman was visitng ( forgot exact date I think 1990-1991).

I have a question - "Is he actually firing the gun, or are the sounds added later?" I mean, except for a camera shot at approx 1:50, everytime you hear the sound of a gun fire, it is conveniently hidden behind some soldier! Now it might just be me imagining things, but even when the gun is partially visible during the sound effects, there is just no sign of a recoil, or even spent cartridges falling out.

Request if some guru can have a relook at the video (incl the firing at 1:50 mark) and put my mind at ease

Chinese Mobile ICBMs Seen in Central China

FWIW - China Secretly Seeks The High Ground

The biggest threat from China is indeed not for Land, Air or Sea - it is over the wire and space.

Enter the cyber dragon

good luck to the russians trying to enforce copyright.

this indicates their cloned J-11 is not all that good. because if it were adequate they'd just produce more of it with local engines and radar.

From what I could gather on the whole reverse engineer story from Russian/Western sources.

The Chinese only managed to reverse engineer the original Flanker which was sold to them in early 90's which is Su-27SK including the FBW , although there are many news snippet out there which claims the quality of reverse engineered J-11 is poor even when compared to original Su-27SK.

They could not reverse engineer the Su-30MKK nor could they do with AL-31 engine , reason they still import the engine in big number for J-10 and MKK.

WS-10 has been a poor substitute for AL-31 lacking in quality and life time of the latter and still not widely adopted or would perhaps never be , its admittedly a failure even when compared to basic AL-31 specs something chinese would never admit it , but a good way to find out is how many AL-31 they keep importing every year and the deal is always close to billion $ , it seems metallurgy , composition ,multilayer coating , hot parts for engine are the most hardest to reverse engineer for any body even if some one tries that the result as always less then optimum.

The Su-35 is not just another update of earlier flanker considering the time Sukhoi took to flight test the Flanker now in its 4th year first flight in feb 2008 , so it will be much harder to reverse engineer and duplicate things , not worth the time and money when you can simply lic it and the Russian would make that much more harder since Chinese have known habit to copy if this deal goes through ...which remains to be seen.

How do plan to counter these as the SU-35's will be superior to our SU-30 Mki's?

Where are Don and wrdos when one wants to laugh at a drone or two?

No one system no matter how superior it is will be a game changer , it will boil down to many systems , training , equipment/logistics ,integrated IADS and ability to innovate in thick of war will we see one getting better then the other.

IAF does seem to have advantage in areas such as training/tactics since it has been exercising with many AF of the world in past 10 years and has good exposure to western training , tactics and can innovate , the MKI and Rafale will on an average will be superior to most deployed types fighter of PLAAF . PLAAF on the other hand has much better integrated IADS and perhaps numbers of most deployed 4th gen fighter where number would end up having its own quality , considering most types will be indiginous it would be an advantage if it leads to war of attrition.

Chinese MOD denies Su-35 deal news

China has denied the possibility of purchasing Sukhoi Su-35

Like I said, why spend money on 4th generation aircrafts like SU-35, rafale, or Euro Fighter when the next 5th generation is right around the corner ? Besides the stuff the Chinese are developing is better than any SU-35 counterpart. However it would be usefull in an aggressor role since its tech is an advance version of MKI.

It kinda reminds me when the Russian said the MMRCA is going to be cancelled because its too expensive. The fact is the Russians says lots of things.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... ompetition







or this story from 2008 about China buying SU-33



http://www.kommersant.com/p-13476/China_Su-33/

I think that they do want this deal to go public and are trying to downplay this incident.

China's 1st aircraft carrier to be deployed in August



-Ankit

Better then Su-35 , Rafale etc is very much debatable unless Chinese can put these so call 5th Gen fighter into production and prove competing with the rest of other 5th Gen fighter and win some customers. Its more of a question of credibility viz a viz established names , ofcourse the chinese can always this is better then those flying there but such claims will lack credibility unless backed by substance , we still dont know how good the J-10 is till date.



Every one who follows the Su-33 offer knows that the deal fell through because Chinese just wanted to buy it in single digit numbers and Russians were insisting they buy in 40-50 odd numbers , needless to say the single digit buy was just to reverse engineer it , the chinese then took one prototype from Ukraine and tried to engineer the Su-33 and built one or more then one prototype.

Apart from what Austin has said previously, I think this Chinese buy (if it goes through) is a good indication that the Su-30MKIs will get upgrades that will top the Su-35. IIRC the development/introduction time line was something like this:

1993-1997: Su-35 and Su-37 (TVC+NO11) - clear improvements over Su-27SK and the Su-30

1999: Su-30MKI - improvements over 35 and 37 by combining best of both.

2004-5: Introduction of Irbis and 3D tvc

2008-10: Su-35BM - improvements over MKI based innovations including IRBIS, and additional composites, and 3D TVC

2012-15: Su-30MKI.2 - improvements over Su-35 by including stealth features, better EW suite, and radar - either Bars with the 20kw TWT OR Pakfa based AESA.

All in all, it will be very difficult to determine a clear cut superiority for the Su-35 vs. an upgraded MKI, esp. when considering that there is also the Rafale to further mix it up. And then there is the Pakfa. So, while a systems approach provides a better understanding (as Austin suggested), individual platformwise too, the IAF still will maintain an edge.

A LOT will also depend upon the success of homegrown projects though because it is the latter that will truly enable the IAF to get the numbers required to keep the Chi-Pak duo in check. Success in LCA and AMCA is a MUST.

Unless you are assuming the Chinese are the most smartest people in the world who can import 5 odd plane of each model and the rest of the world do not know the true intent then it may happen , real chances are it wont happen.

Just becuase some one can reverse engineer an aircraft after putting decades of effort in reverse engineering it does not mean its good as the basic original.

Like i said we are yet to see how good the J-10 is even after decades of PLAAF service since it was never exported nor did it competed to win in international competition



US imported older model flanker and fulcrum from CIS states , most likely for aggressor role . US does not how ever have peek through of late model flanker/fulcrum or its electronics etc , unless ofcourse it has BFM with countries like India where true potential are not reveled and there too it did quite well.

Defense spending sees lower growth --- China Daily

While there are many articles which have commented on how "alarming" the rise in Chinese defense budget is, this article from China, predictably takes a very different view. According to this article the increase in Chinese defense budget is less compared to last year's defense budget increase. What is interesting is the fact that none of the China's so called sovereignty issues like Taiwan, Tibet or South China Sea are not mentioned. Rather what is mentioned is "new security concerns such as defending citizens and property overseas.". And as can be expected the article does seem to play emphasis on how there is no need to be alarmed by this rise


What is interesting is what this expert had to say about existing chinese arms

So within a decade Chinese most advanced equipment is just a generation behind US. If I recall correctly it was at least 2-3 generations behind US at the start of century. So within a decade we have seen the Chinese close the gap. By the time the 2nd decade gets over can we see China actually make the gap zero.

Yuan class

Quite a big conventional submarine with Ocean going capability , Almost a copy of original 877EKM Kilo class except for rudder on Sail. Did the Russians sell the design drawings of 877 to China considering they operate a big fleet of kilo ?

I read it has German Motors and some french systems is that true ?

^^What are the 4 tubes in the first picture in the front of the submarine ?Torpedo tubes perhaps ?

it has 6 tubes like kilo. the outlines are faintly visible. not sure why 4 tubes were opened for transport...

The Chinese mostly have the 636 Kilo rather than 877 EKM but I think it looks more like the Lada than Kilo. Either way the Russian Rubin design bureau definetly have strong influence/hand on PLAN submarine development.

LADA Class

Don , The lada is a single hull slimmer sub , the Kilo and Yuan are double hull and bigger design ( bigger by size not by endurance ) , it does have some lada influence like rudder on sail and the slit for free flooding but over all it has more Kilo influence.

Most certainly strong Rubin influence on the design and typical rubin trademark ....if Yuan turns out as good as Kilos then it would be a good achievement for Chinese.

Does Yuan have Western System ? I read of German Motors and French Sonars/Optics ?

Hi Austin, I think the Yuan has a domestic propulsion but the previous Song class has a German Diesel engine and propulsion system.
I would consider Song, Yuan and the new Qinq to be quiet submarines. The Ming and Romeo are very noisy and there are still about 17 Ming and 1 Romeo still in service with the PLAN. As for the sonars the French have supplied TSM 2233 ELEDONE / DSUV-22 and Thales TSM 2255 / DUUX-5 in the past. The sonar in Yuan is probably a mix development of French, Russian and domestic tech.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... a/song.htm

Don , not surprising since Diesel-Electric submarine on battery and slow speed tend to be quieter then most nuclear submarine out there.

BTW how do the french supply sonar and other kit supplied by Germany , isnt china under some arms embargo from West ?

Oh you be surprise how much tech China is still getting from the Europeans especially those "dual tech" for example the Dauphin aka Z-9 helicopter tech and the new upcoming Z-15/EC 175. The French are even designing a new engine for the helicopter which will be built in China so it can be used by the Chinese military.

Yeah Dual use tech is one way to get around military sanctions , I remember reading some of the dual use tech that China got from US satellite was used to upgrade their missile guidance , atleast that is what Congress was saying officially.

Isnt the Z-9 and Z-15 are just reverse engineer Western stuff for Military applications , do the chinese pay any lic fee or they simply clone it.