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PostPosted: 16 Mar 2012 13:12 
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Here is the TOI Link confirming the hike in Budget...


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PostPosted: 16 Mar 2012 14:38 
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the higher allocation should take care of the modernisation needs for the forces.


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PostPosted: 16 Mar 2012 15:23 
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I think we should be pleased with the hike. Most of the increase will go towards existing liabilities. We deal in dollars, the rupee has fallen by around 12% wrt the dollar. Given that elections are not too far away, a lot were expecting a populist budget. Lets keep in mind that the economy hasn't done too well either (good but not as good as previous years) and fiscal deficit is higher hence why they had to take away excess money. This should be an incentive for MoD to spend the money before December.


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PostPosted: 16 Mar 2012 15:45 
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6000 youth attend Army recruitment rally in J&K


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PostPosted: 16 Mar 2012 19:52 
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A lot of money was spent to tarnish my image: Army chief

NEW DELHI: Army chief Gen V K Singh, whose date of birth was mired in a huge controversy, has alleged that " a lot of money" was spent by people within the force to get a "false" birth certificate and tarnish his image as he had stopped their wrongdoings.

He said he had evidence that people within the Army were behind the "derogatory and completely fake" stories against him and action was being taken against them.

"A lot of people went on a drive to tarnish my image because they were not happy with the cleansing action I had taken. You will be suprised to know the amount of money which was spent to get the false certificate about by date of birth," Gen Singh told 'The Week' magazine.

Asked who was spending the money to defame him, he responded, "There were a large number of people. A lot of money was given to a lot of people to do stories against me. The stories were derogatory and completely fake."

When pointed out that one retired Lt General has already been accused of plotting against him, he said, "He was not the only one. We have identified a number of people."

He said, "We have evidence of how documents were leaked and how much money was given" and that they were within the Army.

Queried whether he was surprised that serving officers were working against him, the Army Chief said, "In a large organisation like ours, you will always have people who feel left out. There were people who were doing wrong things but after we stopped those things, they turned against me."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... ?prtpage=1


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PostPosted: 16 Mar 2012 20:52 
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So what was being talked about in this thread about Age Issue has been almost endorsed by the Current Army Chief. He also hints that a lot of money was spent for this purpose. Obviously not without future benefits. Lets see.


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PostPosted: 16 Mar 2012 21:01 
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Chacko saar, have you disabled commenting ? Can't type anything in the comment box.


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PostPosted: 16 Mar 2012 21:12 
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So what was being talked about in this thread about Age Issue has been almost endorsed by the Current Army Chief. He also hints that a lot of money was spent for this purpose. Obviously not without future benefits. Lets see.


It is now clear as day. Vested interests in armed forces promoted by Congress politicians to the level of Man mohan to carry out the agenda.


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Ex Indian Army Chief says China may occupy Arunachal
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General V P Malik, Former Indian Army Chief has concerned that China may try to forcefully occupy Arunachal Pradesh in Northeast India anytime and that India has to step up the vigil along the Chinese border in that region. Malik, addressing a symposium on How prepared India is to defend herself organized in Nagpur by the local daily The Hitvada, also stated that China may even forcibly occupy some of the territories in North West India.

Malik also voiced his concern to the fact that Chinese Defence budget has gone up by 11.5 percent but Indian policy matters are not even discussing about the raise.

Besides Malik, former Air Chief Marshal A Y Tipnis and former Admiral Sushil Kumar also participated in the event. The two former service chiefs stressed importance on the need to engage Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Myanmar to counter the threat and adopt a long-term foreign policy.

Speaking about the Kargil war, Admiral Sushil Kumar said the Indian Navy had deployed its ships in the Arabian Ocean though the war was fought on hills by the Indian Army and Indian Air Force. But we succeed in blocking Pakistan’s supply chain through the sea route which was a key factor in our victory, – said the Admiral.

Former Air chief marshal AY Tipnis spoke about the need for government to government, military to military and people to people interaction in the sub-continent.


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Chacko saar, have you disabled commenting ? Can't type anything in the comment box.


Its working. If not frontierindia at gmail.

Indian Army pays rent cheques to J&K land owners


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PostPosted: 18 Mar 2012 04:09 
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This article by Ajai Shukla absolutely stunned me. The capital budget for the Indian army for the upcomin financial year is $2.7 billion. How do you fight a two front war with that kind of money? Especially when importing rifles for $4,000 a pop from Israel. DRDO will get less than half of fresh equity to be pumped into the rat hole called Air India. Luckily the GOI has so many resources and so few other problems to deal with that it can concentrate on running a commercial airline. I have almost reached the point of just giving up on India. The parliamentary system of gov't. results in unwieldy coalitions and a race to the bottom mentality. Fourth rate buffoons like Didi can dictate policy at a central level and drag the whole country down to the industrial wasteland level that is West Bengal.

I used to think that if a new generation of politicians got into power things would finally get on track and "reforms" which other countries have practiced for centuries would finally get implemented in India. Now I have reluctantly come to the realization that it is not the fault of the people who pass as "leaders" in India that the majority of the population defecates in public or that India has a lower per capita income than Syria. It is the fault of the illiterate cretins who dominate India's electorate. The inmates are running the asylum and the results are there for all to see. :( :( :(

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Army rescues injured from a passenger bus accident near Manasbal


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PostPosted: 18 Mar 2012 21:34 
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Generals at War
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Army turns on its own, says serving and retired officers conspired against chief

Lt-Gen Bikram Singh, Army Chief General V.K.Singh
Lt-General Bikram Singh (left) with Army Chief General V.K. Singh.
On February 29, Chief Vigilance Commissioner (CVC) Pradeep Kumar called on Defence Secretary Shashikant Sharma in South Block. Kumar handed over an anonymous letter that made sensational claims against the Indian Army. It alleged that the army was tapping telephones of bureaucrats and decisionmakers at the behest of army chief General V.K. Singh. It also spoke of secret Military Intelligence (MI) funds being diverted to run a campaign against the Ministry of Defence (MoD). The letter was unsigned but evidently, its contents were disturbing enough for it to be personally borne by the CVC. It signalled a historic low in the already frayed relations between the army and the MoD, which has ordered an inquiry into the source of the letter.

On March 2, MoD announced that Lt-General Bikram Singh would take over as the next army chief on May 31, the day the present army chief retires. The announcement was a break from tradition. The army chief-designate is made known only two months before the retirement of the incumbent. In this case, the decision was made 90 days early.

The implications of the announcement: The army chief will now have to keep his successor in the loop on all major decisions. It was the defence ministry's way of indicating its deep displeasure with the present chief. More disturbing was an assertion by the Intelligence Bureau (IB) that the army had deployed 'off-air interceptors', to snoop on conversations between key decisionmakers in MoD and the Government. These Ukraine-made 'interceptors' are fitted in vehicles to extract mobile phone conversations from cellular towers. "It is just fiction, it does not deserve any reaction," General Singh said on March 5, responding to media reports on phone monitoring.

But the same evening, the army issued a sulphurous press release that targeted Lt-General Tejinder Singh, former director-general of the Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) that operates under National Security Adviser Shiv Shankar Menon. "The officer, along with some disgruntled serving officers of the military intelligence against whom disciplinary and administrative actions are in the pipeline, has worked out this fictitious story," the release said.

It went on to accuse Lt-General Tejinder Singh of bribery. "This officer was the Ex-DGDIA (he retired in July 2010) and has been earlier questioned on the purchase of the 'Off the air Monitoring System', without sanction by the technically empowered committee. This officer has also been an allottee in Adarsh Housing Society in Mumbai and has also offered bribe on behalf of Tatra and Vectra Limited, which supplies vehicles to BEML (Bharat Earth Movers Ltd)." The statement did not mention who Lt-General Tejinder Singh attempted to bribe. An army spokesperson said it was being kept confidential and that the ministry had been kept in the loop on the episode. Officials stated off the record that Lt-General Tejinder Singh had attempted to bribe the army chief himself. The army chief reported the alleged bribery attempt to Defence Minister A.K. Antony in 2011 but did not pursue the matter to its logical conclusion, says a senior MoD official. Lt-General Tejinder Singh has termed the allegations "laughable" and is contemplating a defamation suit against the army chief.

On February 16, a bug scare gripped the defence minister's office. A hand-held bug scanner wielded by an mi team beeped, indicating the presence of a listening device. An IB team was subsequently called in to investigate the 'discrepancy'. Officially, the army said the bug scanner had developed a malfunction after a voltage drop. An army official privy to the incident said the scanner beeped after two telephone wires had crossed each other in a short circuit.

Defence preparedness has clearly been a casualty of the bitter feud between the army and the MoD. The army has failed to acquire significant weapon platforms in the current financial year. This month, it will return over Rs.3,000 crore in unspent funds to the Government. The promotions of over 40 brigadiers and major-generals have been halted for the second time in a year. The ministry has referred the army chief's controversial new promotion policy to the law ministry. The new policy gives the seven army commanders and the army chief greater leeway in promoting officers of the rank of general. The ministry is worried that the new policy which it terms "arbitrary" would result in lawsuits by disgruntled brass.


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Again, the venerable India Today rises to the occasion.....true shining example of journalistic integrity and apolitical reporting. They give a new meaning to the word HMV!!!!


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PostPosted: 18 Mar 2012 23:58 
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Its interesting to note that when it comes to scutinizing the Army, no proof, basis or logic is used. Suddenly, the babus are the moral and apolitical lot, the ministers holier than thou and all the miscellaneous junta self-righteous.

Its a case of being pronounced guilty till proven innocent.


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PostPosted: 19 Mar 2012 00:23 
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same author so why would we expect anything different?


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Bengal youth have brittle bones, army stops staffing

Bone deformities due to arsenic poisoning are rampant among youth in Bengal, the Indian army has found. Less than 100 youths among the 2,000 who turned up for an army recruitment drive in February, passed the physical test.

The recruitment was not for fighting ranks but for technical positions — aviation, ammunition and nursing.

"We found out most of the candidates came from arsenic affected regions of Bengal, and drink water from hand pumps," he said. Hand pumps — used rampantly in the state — are the most widespread source of arsenic poisoning.
Arsenic contamination in Bengal was detected more than 30 years ago, said Niyogi.
Since the early eighties, arsenic related skin diseases were detected in Malda, Murshidabad, Nadia, North-24-Parganas, South-24-Parganas, Burdwan, Howrah, Hooghly and Kolkata by Kolkata's School of Tropical Medicine and the All India Institute of Hygiene and Public Health.
Following a 20-year study, the School of Environmental Studies of Jadavpur University, categorised those districts as severely affected areas


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Nepal govt directs Ministries to halt Gurkha recruitment

The parliamentary report argues that although the Gurkha recruitment gave the Nepali youths limited employment opportunity, serving with foreign military had not allowed the country to hold its head high.


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Army rescues injured from a passenger bus accident near Manasbal
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13 Rashtriya Rifles (Kumaon) today rescued and evacuated injured persons of an passenger bus JK01 D 8261 , which met with an accident near Manasbal. The accident took place around 830 hrs when the passenger bus going to Srinagar lost control and side turned off the road.

Manasbal is located in the Jhelum valley, north of Srinagar city in the State of Jammu and Kashmir in India.

A total of 21 persons were injured in the accident. After being administered first aid on the accident spot by the med team of 13 Rashtriya Rifles, the injured were evacuated to CHC, Sumbal. A total of eight critical persons were further referred to Srinagar for further treatment.


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PostPosted: 19 Mar 2012 12:43 
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chackojoseph and keshavchandra :

Army rescues injured from a passenger bus accident near Manasbal
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The same scenario repeated thousands of time - when the nation and its citizens are in distress, it is always the armed forces
that come to the rescue.

Did the babus or the khaki fellows lift their fingers on this occasion ? No prizes for the answer.


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PostPosted: 19 Mar 2012 13:22 
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I agree partly, but sometimes, the khakis do not have the necessary resources. Once, during a bike ride in HP, one of us fell off side of the mountain. There was a tree which fortunately broke his fall and his gear protected him from much injuries. Police came, but they couldn't arrange for a crane as it was being used somewhere else. So, they called in the Army who promptly came and rescued both the man and the bike. It is very common for the Army to step in such situations in the mountains. If you read blogs of people who ride or drive to Ladakh, you will find frequent mentions of Army being called to help them. Kudos to the Army for responding to all such crises immediately.


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PostPosted: 19 Mar 2012 14:53 
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Khakis simply don't have the resources and worse they lack an effective PR cell :D


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PostPosted: 19 Mar 2012 16:13 
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narmad wrote:
Nepal govt directs Ministries to halt Gurkha recruitment

The parliamentary report argues that although the Gurkha recruitment gave the Nepali youths limited employment opportunity, serving with foreign military had not allowed the country to hold its head high.


Any idea on what % of recruits in GR come from Nepal? IRIC (don't have links to mention), the ratio of Nepalese recruits had slowly started coming down especially when the Maoist insurgency related problems had started in 1990s


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PostPosted: 19 Mar 2012 16:17 
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chackojoseph wrote:
Khakis simply don't have the resources and worse they lack an effective PR cell :D


Khaki training, admin, develop/deployment and finally annual allotted budget, all are state government related issues, that’s why we see variations in standard of mamu’s state by state.(Hai ho ... :P )…And currently in most of the state the situation is very verse due to years after years of negligence on standard.


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I think we should be pleased with the hike. Most of the increase will go towards existing liabilities. We deal in dollars, the rupee has fallen by around 12% wrt the dollar. Given that elections are not too far away, a lot were expecting a populist budget. Lets keep in mind that the economy hasn't done too well either (good but not as good as previous years) and fiscal deficit is higher hence why they had to take away excess money. This should be an incentive for MoD to spend the money before December.


Me thinks that the FM has just parked the money in the MOD.

Last year the FM quickly took back a lot of money that the IA was not allowed to spend / did not spend.

A similar Shakespearean drama will play out this year too.


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Nepal govt directs Ministries to halt Gurkha recruitment

The parliamentary report argues that although the Gurkha recruitment gave the Nepali youths limited employment opportunity, serving with foreign military had not allowed the country to hold its head high.


Any idea on what % of recruits in GR come from Nepal? IRIC (don't have links to mention), the ratio of Nepalese recruits had slowly started coming down especially when the Maoist insurgency related problems had started in 1990s


Still very high and IMHO cannot be resolved by recruiting purely from Indian domiciled/born Gorkhas (like this spelling better than the British Gurkha).


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Very touching:

Indian Army rebuilds life of a poor Kashmiri effected by terrorism


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chacko - should be "affected"


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^^ Think it should be "affected", not "effected"


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IMO, the usage is correct. "Effected" : Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result


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Well, here's something which is a direct result of discussions on this forum. Kapil had met Gen Ian Cardozo and posted the Broad Banding issue on this thread. The cause has been taken up at www.satyamev-jayate.com
May I request everyone to please go through the letter to the PM. Everyone can sign, not just ex-Servicemen. Please pass the link to all your contacts asking them to further the message etc.


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chackojoseph wrote:
IMO, the usage is correct. "Effected" : Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result


Effect is a noun while Affect is a verb

Sand AFFECTED the movement of tank columns.

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The EFFECT of sand on tank movement was apparent.


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merlin wrote:
Still very high and IMHO cannot be resolved by recruiting purely from Indian domiciled/born Gorkhas (like this spelling better than the British Gurkha).



There are fair # of Indian Gorkhas that serve in Assam Rifles and several Infantry Regiments like the Kumaonis, Garhwalis etc. Perhaps the mix in these regiments may need to be looked at (if the worst case scenario comes true, ie the Nepalese Parliamentary report is implemented) so that the various GR remained suitably staffed...

Nevertheless, it'll be a very sad day if this actually happens - and it wont only be a negative impact on IA but for the India geo-political connect with Nepal


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Gurneesh wrote:
chackojoseph wrote:
IMO, the usage is correct. "Effected" : Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result


Effect is a noun while Affect is a verb

Sand AFFECTED the movement of tank columns.

vs

The EFFECT of sand on tank movement was apparent.

Effect can be used as a verb. It means cause or bring about or make something happen.

But the correct usage here is "affected" which means to produce a change or effect (noun).


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Friendly Fire

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Amidst reports of telephone tapping and other embarrassing allegations involving the top military brass, Army chief General V K Singh is learnt to have officially conveyed to the Defence Minister that elements within the Defence Ministry were behind the “leaks” and rumours. The General is learnt to have conveyed that any attempt to denigrate the office of the Army Chief would have a direct impact on the image of the Defence Minister himself. Antony is believed to have responded with reassuring words to the General.


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Salute that soldier at the LoC : Rediff

A pointer to the hard working life of jawans at LoC.


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Beautiful article in Rediff on life at LoC. Read it all since its a long read:
Exclusive: Salute that soldier at the LoC

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"Line of Control -- what comes to your mind when you think about it?" asks Major Anurag Chaturvedi, sitting in the front seat of the Maruti Gypsy as we drive towards a forward post guarding the LoC in Jammu and Kashmir.

The officer, a native of Rajasthan, is stationed at a place which does not have a name; only a number -- indicating its location from sea level.

This morning he has left at 4.30 am to pick us up -- soldiers at the LoC say their day begins at night when infiltrators often use the shroud of darkness to cross into Indian territory.

But that hardly means that the day is any better and to prove this the commanding officer of one of the battalions guarding the LoC stops the car en route and asked, "Can you see anything beyond the periphery of this forest?"

You can't.

It is early afternoon and it is calm. There is a stillness in the wooded landscape flecked with hills, the last village is left 15 kilometres behind, ahead lies the India-Pakistan Ceasefire Line, famously known as the LoC, defended by the Indian Army -- where at one point in this area the enemy post lies just 70 metres away.

Here 'Eyeball to Eyeball' is not just a figure of speech; it means that and only that.

From these border posts, soldiers keep a strict watch -- 24x7x365 -- defending the Line of Control. Keeping a day and night vigil to prevent Pakistani infiltrators from crossing into India.


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The posts are small -- almost makeshift structures -- but are formidable and crucial to India's defences.

Some have seen bloody action in every war with Pakistan, where men have had to fight to the last man and the last bullet in the face of enemy attack.

"The post was attacked by Pakistan several times -- again and again -- over three days during the 1971 war, but it did not fall," a young officer entrusted with defending that post explains. "If this post goes, the battleground is lost. It will be very difficult to recapture it."

A different infantry battalion now mans this post. Most of its soldiers were not even born in 1971, but speak with great admiration of the soldiers who held on to this post unrelentingly 40 years ago. A small memorial salutes the men who died fighting here.

Up ahead, in the precincts of another post that gives us a bird's eye view of the LoC and Pakistan, is another memorial to those who died defending this front.

Apart from saluting our martyrs, it also extends solemn tribute to the fallen Pakistani soldiers -- 'Homage also to enemy soldiers killed' reads the last line of the plain marble plaque.


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The men here guard their territory zealously. Away from family, human habitation, cell phone communication, theirs is a 24x7x365 job which comes with no weekend or festival breaks.

Their post is their home.

"You could take a picture of my post from anywhere -- aerial view, bottom view, side view, sky view -- any which view and I will be able to tell you the line of sight from where you've taken it," says Major Anurag Chaturvedi, a tough officer who has served on the China border and was on the search team looking for the late Andhra Pradesh chief minister Y S Rajasekhar Reddy's helicopter in the Nalamalla jungles in September 2009.

To the lay-eye all posts may look almost alike. Some on towers, some in bunkers, with sandbags and narrow windows armed with sophisticated rifles aimed in readiness. Men in bullet-proof jackets and helmets, carrying guns as easily as we carry shoulder bags.

Raising a curtain made of bamboo logs stringed together, Major Neeraj Sundaram -- a second generation soldier also from the Gorkha Rifles -- points to the enemy posts across and in the direction from where Pakistani attacks have come in the past.

"That river that you see, we have to keep a watch on it because it has been used by infiltrators in the past," he says. "The difference between them and us is that they have villages upfront. They bring their cattle to the forward slopes to graze and these guys come along with them, have a look and go back. If five guys come, four may go back and one may stay back, so we have to keep a constant watch."


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The stray dog being another dependable alarm that also serves as a stress buster for men at the border. At every post there is one -- in one battalion it is named dhaai, Hindi for two-and-a-half, which is a location within the post periphery.

Behind a bandh-cum-ditch, to counter an enemy tank attack, young Lieutenant K Navin Kumar, just out of the Indian Military Academy into his first posting, is located at a post almost breathing distance from the enemy.

"The listening drill is most important for us. We can hear them talk, listen to their vehicle movements," says the enthusiastic officer from the Grenadiers Regiment.

At the LoC, "where even moonlight does not reach some places," the men begin to trust their ears more than their eyes.

While the soldiers guard their posts, their team comprises an army dog and when they speak about the number of men stationed here, they make it a point to include the dog, a soldier in his own right.


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Last year, 15 Indian soldiers lost their lives in counter infiltration/counter-terrorism operations; 45 others were seriously injured defending the border in Jammu and Kashmir.

One of them, Lieutenant Navdeep Singh -- who was awarded the Ashok Chakra, the highest gallantry award in peacetime this Republic Day -- was just 25 years old.


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The terrain is difficult, the jungle is thick; in the night it is often difficult to know whether the moving figure is an animal or a man. But these pale out when confronted with what lies on the other side of the LoC.

"Can you trust the person across? Never! Since '48 we have not been able to trust him. There is a ceasefire on, but despite that you don't know what he will do next," says an officer who has seen a friend die in front of him fighting terrorists in Srinagar.

In the face of harsh weather, tough terrain and a hostile enemy, these soldiers hold the peace against tremendous odds.

Young men -- in their 20s and 30s -- who 'stand on the wall', keeping the watch as they defend one of the world's most volatile borders.

"You can call us the CEOs of 800 men," says Colonel Nair, slapping the back of a jawan, "but the difference is that I will give my life for him and I know he will do the same for me -- 200 per cent and without a doubt."

"When the fire comes, I will stand in front of him and he will stand in front of me. That is the kind of faith we have."


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PostPosted: 20 Mar 2012 10:56 
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Ajay Sharma wrote:
merlin wrote:
Still very high and IMHO cannot be resolved by recruiting purely from Indian domiciled/born Gorkhas (like this spelling better than the British Gurkha).



There are fair # of Indian Gorkhas that serve in Assam Rifles and several Infantry Regiments like the Kumaonis, Garhwalis etc. Perhaps the mix in these regiments may need to be looked at (if the worst case scenario comes true, ie the Nepalese Parliamentary report is implemented) so that the various GR remained suitably staffed...

Nevertheless, it'll be a very sad day if this actually happens - and it wont only be a negative impact on IA but for the India geo-political connect with Nepal



According to this link about 70% of the seven Gorkha Rifles are Nepalese while the remainder are "Indian Domicile Gorkhas"

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 334603.cms


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PostPosted: 20 Mar 2012 12:49 
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All the Nepal govt is going to do is push more Gorkhas to seek domicile in India, which IMVHO is a good thing.


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