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PostPosted: 23 Mar 2012 12:33 
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when i was a nanha muj i wrote some parts of the range safety software. the range safety officer had a whole set of inputs displayed on three-four screens back then and one mouse click would terminate the whole test


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PostPosted: 23 Mar 2012 12:38 
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I am sure the greenpeace dudes who turn up and station their boats during such missile tests have no such fancy equipment at their disposal. Or do they? :shock: these NGOs are better funded than anyone else.


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PostPosted: 23 Mar 2012 14:57 
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Indian SAM-3s Smash Pak F-16s. In Film@livefist.

This animation by Anurag Rana depicting PAF F-16s being intercepted by Indian SAM-3 Pechoras is part of a larger upcoming film by Wing Commander R.S. Chauhan.


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PostPosted: 25 Mar 2012 10:32 
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This system would be useful to protect ships, radar installations and maybe even tanks ...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... GrJnxdDbO8

Also, if such systems are being used by the enemy, then a Mach 6 missile such as Prahaar would probably have a better chance than a Mach 3 missile like Brahmos.


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PostPosted: 25 Mar 2012 11:38 
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^^^ That's why Hyper sonic Brahmos.


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PostPosted: 25 Mar 2012 13:07 
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Pranav wrote:
This system would be useful to protect ships, radar installations and maybe even tanks ...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... GrJnxdDbO8

Also, if such systems are being used by the enemy, then a Mach 6 missile such as Prahaar would probably have a better chance than a Mach 3 missile like Brahmos.


And Airfeilds, command centers etc, taking down TV Laser Guided, GPS guided bombs and Cruise missiles, increasing the ability to defend vital miltary targets.


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PostPosted: 25 Mar 2012 17:15 
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Pranav wrote:
This system would be useful to protect ships, radar installations and maybe even tanks ...


CIWS like goalkeeper or phalanx are too big for tanks, for tanks and APCs you have the 'trophy' :)



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PostPosted: 25 Mar 2012 22:27 
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Also, if such systems are being used by the enemy, then a Mach 6 missile such as Prahaar would probably have a better chance than a Mach 3 missile like Brahmos.


Given enough time and funds this cat and mouse game will continue. There is really no end to it.

From an Indian PoV all that matters for the immediate future is what is in the 'hood.

What is of great importance is that India has been able to adapt this neat technology for all three branches AND tweak that one missile for multiple purposes. We talk about open-architecture (for the MKI as an example), seems that that thinking has helped build numerable options and will continue to provide even greater options at reasonable costs and expectations.


What I would like to see is a host of missiles for missile defense. And, missiles to take out the source of missile launchers within very, very short time.


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PostPosted: 26 Mar 2012 15:12 
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An excellent very informtive lengthy paper on the enormity and challenges of the task of neutralising underground facilities,as we are nows eeing with Iran and surely exist also with Pak.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB372/index.htm

National Security Archive

Underground Facilities: Intelligence and Targeting Issues
U.S. Intelligence : Hiding of Military Assets by "Rogue Nations" and Other States a Major Security Challenge for 21st Century
U.S. Documents Describe Monitoring Effort Going Back to Early Cold War Years
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 372
Posted - March 23, 2012

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Washington, D.C., March 23, 2012 – A central element of the current debate over how to deal with Iran's nuclear program has focused on the possible difficulty of destroying the Qom underground uranium enrichment facility via air strikes. However, documents posted today by the National Security Archive show that Qom is only the latest in a long series of alleged and real underground facilities that for decades have been a high priority challenge for U.S. and allied intelligence collection and analysis efforts, as well as for military planners.

The documents featured in this posting describe in detail the agencies and programs the U.S. government has brought to the task of identifying and assessing underground structures in foreign countries since World War II. Internal records indicate there are more than 10,000 such facilities worldwide, many of them in hostile territory, and many presumably intended to hide or protect lethal military equipment and activities, including weapons of mass destruction, that could threaten U.S. or allied interests.

The records (and introductory essay by Archive Fellow Jeffrey T. Richelson) also discuss the vast complexities of gathering and analyzing intelligence on these facilities, and detail several of the highly technical methods U.S. agencies have developed for the purpose over time.



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PostPosted: 26 Mar 2012 19:16 
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indranilroy wrote:
Is that not a ducted fan?!

Edited: to display image correctly.
No, it was replied to the quote inserted in your reply. I thought I would wait for his reply. Maybe later.


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PostPosted: 26 Mar 2012 19:26 
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Pranav wrote:

Also, if such systems are being used by the enemy, then a Mach 6 missile such as Prahaar would probably have a better chance than a Mach 3 missile like Brahmos.


A large missile at mach 3 will come at such a speed that AAA fire will not enough damage and the momentum will still assure a direct or close hit on the target. One of the reasons systems like Phalanx are being replaced by RAM.


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PostPosted: 26 Mar 2012 20:54 
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^^^ adding on :

- cue-ing a gun accurately on a heaving ship, particularly when maneuvering violently during an attack or anywhere above moderate sea conditions.
- multi-targeting of simultaneous threats from various directions

The gun based system might be a cheap solution for predictable trajectory, slower weapons like smart/dumb bombs or older gen sub-sonic AShMs.


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PostPosted: 28 Mar 2012 12:59 
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Wonder what this test was about today

Brahmos supersonic cruise missile test fired successfully

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"The missile was test fired from a ground mobile launcher from the launch complex-3 at about 1122 hours and the trial was successful,"


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PostPosted: 28 Mar 2012 13:14 
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Block 3 with new software per live fist


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PostPosted: 28 Mar 2012 14:36 
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BrahMos Block III version tested in steep dive mode


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 09:28 
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http://www.freemaptools.com/measure-distance.htm
ships leaving to intl waters near australia! I thought we would go all the way to intl waters near antartica.. two mangoes in one stone.. antarctia expedition to target - to be acquired by mid april.

go a5!!


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 10:10 
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if we draw a line from australia to madagascar, and a fire from chandipur to the south, the intersection is around 5500km range.
a line from orissa to perth is around 5800km
so this is in line with the A5 stated range with designed payload of 5500km

from orissa to edge of antarctica is around 9000km. the A5 might make it with a much reduced payload which is of no use because A5's will be few and need to deliver full heavy payloads.

perhaps in future the A6 a all-composite 3 stage missile might finally deliver a 0.5t payload out to 12000km which will permit our SSBNs to patrol the vast southern IOR region freely while keeping most targets in range.


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 11:43 
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chackojoseph wrote:


bad grammar ?


Quote:
India today tested BrahMos Block III version with advanced guidance algorithm was flight tested from ITR Balasore.


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 12:03 
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dnivas wrote:
chackojoseph wrote:


bad grammar ?


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India today tested BrahMos Block III version with advanced guidance algorithm was flight tested from ITR Balasore.



Corrected. Thanks

Singha wrote:
if we draw a line from australia to madagascar, and a fire from chandipur to the south, the intersection is around 5500km range.
a line from orissa to perth is around 5800km
so this is in line with the A5 stated range with designed payload of 5500km

from orissa to edge of antarctica is around 9000km. the A5 might make it with a much reduced payload which is of no use because A5's will be few and need to deliver full heavy payloads.

perhaps in future the A6 a all-composite 3 stage missile might finally deliver a 0.5t payload out to 12000km which will permit our SSBNs to patrol the vast southern IOR region freely while keeping most targets in range.

very good info. can you do the same for Beijing and Chengdu and where should we launch A-5 from?


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 12:21 
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you can use tools->ruler in google earth to find the distances. chengdu & chongqing is around 1200km from the NE and Beijing around 2800km. from NE they are already in range of A3 and perhaps A2-P as well.

but A5 will give you the option of sitting in bangalore,kerala and pressing the red button - vastly more areas to hide assets in. northern part of karnataka/MP/Chatisgarh/MH/north AP/orissa and the western ghats have lot of desolate areas to vanish into.


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 12:24 
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chackojoseph wrote:
very good info. can you do the same for Beijing and Chengdu and where should we launch A-5 from?


Beijing, Chengdu from any place in India.

Harbin, from Hyderabad and above.


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 12:31 
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koti wrote:
chackojoseph wrote:
very good info. can you do the same for Beijing and Chengdu and where should we launch A-5 from?


Beijing, Chengdu from any place in India.

Harbin, from Hyderabad and above.


Thank You very much.


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 12:34 
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I would like to know the distance at which spent stages of missiles like Agni are likely to fall at.
The spent stage impact from launch site on a maximum range shot will be good enough to begin with.

TIA.


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 14:09 
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the 1st stage will likely fall downrange around 50-100km away.
the 2nd stage I am not sure it will make it to ground level or burn up along the way
the 3rd stage might burn up for sure as the RV needs re-entry shield to prevent that.


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 14:30 
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SaiK wrote:
http://www.freemaptools.com/measure-distance.htm
ships leaving to intl waters near australia! I thought we would go all the way to intl waters near antartica.. two mangoes in one stone.. antarctia expedition to target - to be acquired by mid april.

go a5!!


http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm

Radius around a point on the map.. :)


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 18:32 
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Pinaka test fired


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 19:40 
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If it is a simple ballistic missile all stages burn up within the boot phase. But if its like modern missile like Bulava, third stage of Agni 5 could be retained anywhere from the ascent phase till the descent phase.


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PostPosted: 30 Mar 2012 08:05 
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http://www.daftlogic.com/projects-googl ... ulator.htm

Can be used to calculate distance between two points on the map.


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PostPosted: 30 Mar 2012 12:06 
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Brahmos missile with new systems test fired


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PostPosted: 30 Mar 2012 14:08 
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Brahmos Mark III test fired second time in last 3 days


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PostPosted: 30 Mar 2012 17:03 
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chackojoseph wrote:


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It has a censor warhead and could change the direction before 24 km.


CJ saar, I did not understand this one. Can you please clarify?


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PostPosted: 30 Mar 2012 20:19 
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Spell check issues.
Sensor not censor.


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PostPosted: 30 Mar 2012 21:22 
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Hahahhaa.. The copy and paste mistake. A lot of my mistakes arise from the source itself. it is a shame. Sensor and Censor are ok with the spell check, so these mistakes pass through.


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PostPosted: 31 Mar 2012 01:05 
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I meant the 'changing direction' part. Does it mean that the missile can switch between targets when its upto 24 kms away from the target?


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too much of movie dhekoing eh..nice catch!, but quite apt for gdf>lm.


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PostPosted: 31 Mar 2012 17:07 
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The army's vertical dive brahmos can be used by navy to hit aircraft carriers. :wink:


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PostPosted: 31 Mar 2012 17:58 
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looks like a last minute climb and steep S-dive complicates the situation for ciws guns and short range missiles by increasing the rate of displacement of the missile vs the ship?


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PostPosted: 31 Mar 2012 19:41 
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courtesy : sayareakd via MP.

is that drdo designed active radar seeker?? can somebody clarify??


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PostPosted: 31 Mar 2012 20:39 
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^^It could be the seeker of DRDO-IAI Barak8. I can't comment on the size from the pic.


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PostPosted: 31 Mar 2012 22:17 
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Guys , I have a question. Can we develop a supersonic cruise missile a la Brahmos with a range > 3000 kms ? Is it possible and if so what will be the size and cost implications ? You can also factor in international collaboration(Russia/Israel/etc).


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