Bharat Rakshak

Even if this letter is personally leaked by the chief, I support the COAS.

Times Now,Arnab G, is waving a letter purporting to be an open offer from the Italian-Anglo manufafcturer of helos,AW offering commissions for helos (8% for helos and 15% for spares) and demanding why the acquisition of VVIP helos should not be investigated based upon the letter,supposedly contravening the directives of the MOD to suppliers/manufacturers. While the US rejected /cancelled the deal for the same helo (Merlin)/AW-101/EH-101) for Marine Corps-1 for the US president,,partly due to its cost,we on the other hand have ordered 12! Looking at VVIP configured MI-17s at Aero-India's,very posh and luxurious inside,and a helo that AWST says is the "darling" of forces operating from Iraq to Af-Pak,giving ulcers to Sikorsky which cannot compete with it,surely we could've ordered MI-17VVIP helos at a fraction of the cost of the AWs.

Coming back to the Tatra alleged scam,the owner of Tatra has denied on the same channel any wrongdoing and has sensationally accused Gen. AKS of being corrupt favouring the Ural truck,where he built up a "good friendship" with Ural during his stint in Calcutta.He also alleges that Gen.VKS conducted trials of the Ural trucks without getting MOD sanction for the same.He further says that there have been NO reports of substandard trucks,etc., throughout the Tatra supplies to the IA. Talking heads on the show have drawn attention to the
"perfect storm" timing of the revelations,while the BRICS summit is to take place in Delhi with the eyes of the world on India and the BRICS nations,plus the fact that it is another massive blow coming just after the latest mother-of-all scams,the coal scam,and also during the Def-Expo also being held in Delhi!

Back to the letter ,"top secret" to the PM.It was written after Gen.VKS was shafted by the GOI/MOD over the issue of his DOB and smacks of revenge.It must be ascertained how many times the good general brought up these very same points with his DM and the PM earlier,not at the fag end of his tenure as chief,when a chief is generally in the throes of organising matters relating to his retirement .The delays and obfuscating of critical needs of the services are too well known and have been for many years.What gen.VKS should've done,perhaps he did and one hopes so,is to have written to the PM right after assuming office,well knowing the time it takes to get decisions relating to defence in India.

According to some talking heads,we are going to see more skeletons and allegations of corruption in defence .Frankly,the latest scams are the "iceberg" that will sink INS UPA-2 and "Capt.Singh",like his counterpart on the Titanic is merrily sailing along at full speed (at the behest of the ship's owner?) regardless of the damage caused to his ship.Who will survive the catastrophe in the making is a moot point.Ironically,the re-release of the film "Titanic" this time in full 3-D has just hit the screens in India!

Well Ramana spelt it out pretty clearly once again. Read this.



Hope this helps in clearing up. Although Ramana has been very polite in his characterization.

Exactly! Needs to be understood by all.

Any respect I had for MMS and AKA in the past has long evaporated. They are all frontmen guarding the sorry reputation of the Congress Royal Family and their cronies.

AKA clearly says in an interview that he forwards ALL complaints, even anonymous ones, to CBI for investigation. That's how a completely spineless and clueless man behaves, not an honest one.

AKA is only concerned about his personal reputation and his party's reputation. He has proved again and again that he is not capable of putting the country above all other things which is what his job demands. Same goes for MMS.

Philip you must not say characterize Gen VKS action one way or the other while saying we still need to ascertain the facts.

In any case the facts are ascertained, he had been writing to DM for the longest time, and EVEN IN THIS CASE the letter was routed through DM.

The leak is fun part, not the letter, and Gen VK Singh does not leak to do this.

Actually rohitvats has been very polite, your nonsense required in reality a far more earthy response.

You are no different from Congress mouthpieces like Digvijay Singh who make a assertions completely devoid of facts only to besmirch the reputations of good honest patriotic Indians.

@Philip
How does Mr Ravi Rishi know there was no sanction from MoD. He must have followed the RTI route, right.
There are certain Army Commanders who have what is called Special Powers Fund, to procure necessary equipment without waiting for the organised purchase through MoD. Could the trials have been done for that purpose. But what bothers Mr Rishi.
If Mr Rishi and Co is confident of what he is alleging, why did he wait for this day to raise this? The same question that you and the talking heads are asking VKS. Or better still why does he not file a suit for damages on violation of the 10 year contract, tomorrow? And may be defamation case a la Tejinder? He will not dare to, because he knows that his geese will be cooked.

Actually with what he has uttered, his goose is ready to be cooked.

Having already pre-stated my position, I am still curious to know the source of the leak. Which media outlet / reporter first go it?

EVM-ocracy is the word you need to use

And you know this how? The current PM is leading THE most corrupt government in Indian history by far. He is either corrupt himself or willing to look over the crimes of his ministers.


Wrong! The chief of the army should look after the army and make sure it is in a fit state to protect the country. It is very much his job to make sure the political leaders are aware of any shortcomings which they alone can address.


Don't make up stuff as you want. Read the posts before yours. Here, this is what nelson posted a few posts above yours:


Clearly the rasksha mantri wasn't up to the task (perhaps because he is more interested in maintaining a spotless image than actually getting stuff done) which is why the General had to go to his boss.

People need to read this in full.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... epage=true

More importantly...


and this
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PS: This besmirching campaign does not make any difference to the gentleman in the target, he will take his pension go to retire in Jhumri Tilaiya to spend his retirement with his grandchildren. The difference he is trying to make is for this nation, you and me. If BRFites do not understand this, i have no hope for rest of the country.

The real disappointment in this whole affair has been the media.

All the mainstream media, including Indian Express, India Today, Times of India, etc. have proven beyond doubt how completely they are owned by politicians.

No attempt at investigative or objective journalism and utterly one-sided coverage. Like tame parrots, they just print whatever bulls@it the politicians utter. Most of the people working at the big-name media houses are just bigoted reporters, not journalists.

It is a pity that I find that BBC provides me better coverage of important Indian events and a more balanced analysis than any big-name Indian newspaper.

With the PR machinery of the entire nation at its disposal, the Govt. should easily succeed in convincing the common man that it is the wronged party. Hell, it has already convinced some of the BR members, so the rest of the public should be a cakewalk.

What good are the so-called-honest men when they are neither honest to their ideals nor honest to the country they serve when they side-step their duties and let the looters r@pe the country off it's resources and wealth.

We can't call them both Honest, cause honesty is when you are first honest to yourself and take a stand between right and wrong and hold onto the truth and rightness until the end.... but these two individuals you have mentioned are exact opposites of the above.

Maybe they can be called incorrupt, but definitely not honest. Or maybe they aren't yet corrupt with respect to money, but they have been already been corrupted with position of RM and PM to which they cling on so tightly.

Afterall, if they were HONEST, the first thing they would have done was to throw away their position when they couldn't do justice to their positions....they both should have done that long time back...

For God and the country's sake, please don't call them both HONEST.....

Sorry for the OT gentlemen......couldn't resist.

Despite many pages in this thread and previous one, you have a particular liking to insiniuate COAS-VKS.
Looks like you know him as a chaddi dost but now an enemy.
You outpourings on VKS are like comedy to me.

They don't need to convince people about their position. They just need to convince people that they have convinced people about it.

After all, if the chief is corrupt as this sh!t head alleges and is favoring Ural, then what's the need for TRIAL……he can just go ahead and order them isn't it? and what's the need to rake that up now… this guy should have complained when his contract was not renewed……

sore looser…..

Taking no sides,Tatra or Ural,Gen.VKS or AKA please! I am merely reporting on what was said on the channel by the individuals named.

Coming back to the letter reg, the state of the IA or IN,IAF etc., why does it have to be written ONLY before the chief retires?! It would be best if the chief write two official letters giving his picture of the service under his command at the beginning and end of his tenure,where he can assess the health of the service during his tenure.There is supposed to be continuity in the services,one doesn't chop and change with every new incumbent,procurement takes years and a chief's thrust for a new system ,upgrade,etc.,may take years to fructify,after he leaves office.What would happen if a new chief took over and disagreed with some of the points raised by his predecessor? There would be total confusion. Here one must ask what role is being played by the parliamentary committee on defence and the NSAB.Are these bodies merely "observers" or of academic worth?

Look,I have no grouse or axe to grind with with Gen.VKS. I am being objective. There are many retd. generals,air marshals and admirals,etc. who feel that Gen. VKS was wrong in his tactics in pursuing his issue with the GOI. I feel that his judgement was wrong at crucial times on the DOB issue,he has also displayed a sense of naivety ,and he was the first to take his "personal issue" to the media. It is quite evident that as said before,like Samson,he is making use of his last days in office to fire salvoes at his enemies.I felt was wrong.On the issue of rooting out corruption there is no question that it is sorely needed esp. under the UPA-2 regime which in the famous words of Edmund Burke,"for evil to flourish it is only neccessary for good men to do nothing",as our twp honourable ,upright,pure,incorruptible souls,Dr.Singh and St.Anthony have done!

New bombshell on SFF procurements with TMC MP writing to CAS. Letter forwarded to CBI


Ind Express:

VKS requests CBI inquiry into SFF procurements

The person, I think, who gets it is Lalu Prasad Yadav. If MMS has any sense left in him, to save his seat, he should sack VKS. I will support anything that takes this administration and this system down.

Honesty wont help in defending the borders. Dont we cry how honest, honorable we were in facing the Islamist marauders? We are facing the threat now , exhibiting similar bhaviour humoring the ideological ,communal people like Khalidhi who was granted the the access to PMO while the same people had no time for looking into Army'concerns like Salary , Guns etc. Glad the fight is public now, sooner or latter guilty party wil be exposed.

From the above.

"MP’s complaint against Lt General Dalbir Singh Suhag. Lt Gen Dalbir Singh is commanding the Dimapur-based 3 Corps and is in line — after Lt General Bikram Singh — to be the Army chief."

This is significant.

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That was discussed in SF thread sometime back. Now the media wants to sell and at the same time wag the tails to their masters. So, they have rehashed the story to make it appear that VKS is responsible for all ills of the country.

Or better still, people want to make hay while the sun shines.

@Philip
You must really take some time and read what has been posted before. Whereas the article from The Hindu says it is customary for service chiefs retiring to write to PM, it does not say they do not write at other times. As I already mentioned, such letters appear to be routine.
But to ascribe motives to such letters, without caring to ascertain facts, is mere vindictive attitude that does not help anyone. And further blaming VKS for leaking the contents borders nonsense.

Also if Vectra group in now trying to sell helicopters to Home Ministry to fight Naxals after the 197 helicopters deal being nixed by AKA in Dec 2007, is there another scam lurking there in MHA too?

Also the general pattern for promotions by MoD or RM is that the officer must have facilitated a scam that MoD approves to get ahead. In other words what have they done for the babus, polticians and 2Gs.

You talk about "revenge" so much I have to wonder if you're living in a Hindi movie of the 70s. I find it absurd that everyone spends more time discussing "Kisne kisse kaha, kab kaha aur kyun kaha" as my 10th std Hindi book would put it instead of wondering if the contents are true and if so what the implications are. If the critical needs of the services are so well known then the real question worth asking is why the manufactured storm of indignation at its revelation? Why are you so busy questioning the timing when we'd be better served questioning what happens next to those things in the letter.

I wonder, do you read what you write? You quote Burke but go around questioning motives when the "good mean" actually do something. I mean at least read the bloody preceding sentence in the same paragraph. If I was in the General's place I'd do exactly the same. Use my office to do the best I can for my men and as I leave try and take down as much of the corrupt edifice as I can and give my men and country a better chance for the future. It would have been extraordinarily stupid for someone to commit political suicide early in their term. I don't know what the problem with this country is. We like moaning about problems but when someone speaks up about it, we only moan some more. Maybe we're too used to story book heroes and don't recognize real life good people when we see them. Seriously what kind of moron would I look if I pointed out the problems with my job when I first got it? My manager would tell me to shove off. Only a politician starts by listing all the reasons why nothing can be done.

Please no religion or you will get warned.

Edit that post ASAP.

ramana

You can look for that link about Lt Gen retd Tejinder Singh which carries his links with Maj retd Hooda and Karti P Chidambaram.

Unfortunately the latter part seems to be the rule.

Feels like the 1700's Britain playing all over again. The admiral leaked news to the press of their naval warfighting capability being steadily eroded over the years a 100 years after Nelson's famous victory. while france was steadily upgrading thier capabilities. Naturally there was an uproar, this was enough to jolt the govt out of slumber.

This is in nutshell.
VKS is actively curbing corruption wherever he sees them in his own way.
The GOI (includes super white RM and PM) turning the other way.
No wonder they are pure white but cowards IMO. Incorruptibly corrupt.

Why do these gentlemards behave in this way-- They are not corrupt but facilitate corruption.
Are there families held hostage by their superiors or something is holding them back.
I dont think they are in the GOI for any power or prestige. They both have had long innings in the GOI. they dont have to prove to anyone about their good intentions.

People who are honest and resist being bribed either fight their way or resign citing intolerance to corruption. They dont sit like fevicol glued to their kursi. On top of it both are above 75 years of age and have nothing to prove to anybody. They will be doing a spectacular service to the nation if they put the scoundrels in prison.
At least here VKS is resisiting corruption despite his name being sullied. Surely David vs Goliath fight.

I am at loss to understand their inactions.

----****Surely they have been blackmailed****------ ( my CT onlee)

Antony and Manmohan: The dishonesty of honest men


Not anymore-





This is another scam under incorrutibly corrupt RM. what honesty by RM!!

ShauryaT: Which comment of Lalu?

From the comments - Shivani bhatnagar was murdered by an IPS officer,who is being official controlled of govt ...Shivani Bhatnagar was murdered in 1999 under strange circumstances and her killer (a police officer) was later acquitted.

So which PM's son is that in the above story?

Some people are saying that VKS by revealing the gaps in army posture was exposing the weakness to the enemy. The enemy already knows and is handlers have assured him of this. Its the Indian public that doesn't know the gaps.

However I think he is informing the public of how the forces were denuded and is thus answering a higher call to the public.

Even in BRF folks get tagged with CT tags when its all now in the open.

And after all who was in charge since 2004 to ensure that procurements happen on the right time?

Lets cross reference this MP list with the 162 murderers, looters & rapists who grace our Parliament!

Honesty from a coward is like peace-offering from a weakling!

He said to some channel, that VKS should be summarily sacked and that VKS wants to fight elections. Lalu is the most astute of politicians and the most corrupt. Lalu smells it first, when an honest man is successful in dragging this corrupt system down just like he has been the most out spoken against Anna Hazare. MMS protects such men and the likes of the henchmen of the other Yadav. Behind this so called clean PM is the most corrupt administration in the history of the country.

I sincerely and skeptically wish that what you say is the case. I sense something far more sinister. something is brewing which is so capricious that either poles of Indian polity shudder to be responsible for it. The lesser people (3rd front) coming to power will only exacerbate the situation. Like ramagupta agreed to give his wife dhruvadevi to scythian satrapa, the lesser people when in power will also bet on draupadi.

To those who are defending current GOI, AKA, MMS etc.. know that silence of the righteous people like bhishma, drona and kripa when draupadi was being dishonoured was also adharma.. Arthasya Purusho daasa (man is servant of money). When kurukshetra happens, these epitomes of personal integrity (if really that is what they are) too shall fall..

I don't see any side backing down. It's only going to get uglier.