peter wrote:a) No. Anthony *did* not ask VKS for an FIR. He asked VKS to take "action". See Anthony's sound bytes quoted above from TOI. If the "action" is written complaint (can't be an FIR) then are you saying that Anthony does not trust the General? Do remember Anthony has opined that he acted even on anoymous complaints earlier!
b) Come on buddy. Don't you realise Anthony still does not have an FIR or anything in writing from VKS. So why did Anthony order the CBI inquiry now? Is'nt this duplicity in behavior?
c) No. He could not have denied the incident. Have we forgotten Anthony is an honest man?
chackojoseph wrote:
Here is Antony's statement:
With regard to questions on his own inaction in the sensational matter, Mr Antony said: “I acted on my judgment. If I am wrong, you may punish me. I think I have done my best.” The minister said it has been his policy to take action even on anonymous complaints but in this case there was nothing in writing. He was responding to questions by Opposition members as to why he did not act despite the matter being brought to his notice by none other than the Army chief.
The minister also said he cannot ignore even an anonymous complaint. “I am very clear. That is my approach...it is my priority. If a written complaint, even if anonymous, was received, I used to forward it for inquiry,” he said.
Here is my statement:
My contentions are two, because of which I hold them both guilty.
a) written or not, AKA should have made a case and asked his junior to comply.
b) Post of Army Chief was attempted to be bribed and VKS left the alleged accused scot free, there by creating an atmosphere where in future anyone can drop in and offer a bribe to the Army chief. he refused the orders of his senior and there by refusing to bring in the material witness to the case.
While these are my observations, I still stand by the two honest people for the omission, as they have done a larger good for the nation.
Clearly for point a) you believe it is Anthony's fault.
For b) what stopped Anthony from ordering a CBI inquiry back then? If VKS disobeyed direct orders then Anthony is spineless as VKS should have been sacked. What you are saying is VKS disobeys a direct order, Anthony the defence minister is so helpless he cannot order a CBI inquiry eventhough his COAS is telling him that he was offered a 14 crore bribe! Now an year later the General himself goes to the press and Anthony orders the inquiry.
Do you see how preposterous your belief about Anthony's innocence is?
I hope you realize, as every one else has, that it is the General who took the matter to the press and not Anthony.
How on earth this is VKS's fault is beyond me.
chackojoseph wrote:
I want to understand your motive on why you are accusing me for this aspect? And it is not that I had said that 100 posts back. Its very in the debate.
Is it still not clear?
chackojoseph wrote:
Coming to your points, which again are a repeat.
a) Antony asked Army chief to take action is not equal to ordering a probe by Army? Army chief did not pursue. You may give an excuse that Army chief cannot probe etc. However, since his superior had asked him to, he should have created necessary conditions to enable a probe via procedural advice or something else. Instead he said no. It is clear insubordination.
So now are we to believe that Anthony did not sack VKS is a mark of his greatness? Or do you believe the version anthony is peddaling and you are believing may have holes in it? Like asking a question who brought this matter to the public? VKS or Anthony?
Ask yourself why would a defence minister sit on a report of a 14 crore bribe to his COAS from his COAS.
chackojoseph wrote:
b) The CBI has been asked to inquire after it blew up on face. This is admitted by the defence minister too. its in paras above: Mr Antony said: “I acted on my judgment. If I am wrong, you may punish me. I think I have done my best.” He is saying that.
Nonsense. This is foot in the mouth. If India really had an honest investigative system then it would be clear why Anthony sat on his back side and did nothing. Come on how can an honest defence minster sleep when he knows that his COAS has been offered a bribe of 14 crores? Especially if the same COAS , as you assert, disobeyed a direct order. This should have been an even stronger reason to launch a CBI probe.
chackojoseph wrote:
c) Is your opinion. I don't know what you are saying. If you are implying that he is corrupt, i beg to defer. Even BJP leader jaitley says "Opposition did not question the minister's integrity."
As I said before, you are selectively reading or not reading. This is unfortunate.
No selective reading. You are highly biased in your assessment of Anthony for reasons best known to you.
Anthony is not consistent in his behavior. People of integrity are very consistent in their behavior.
Lastly we should not forget how this debate with you started:
chackojoseph wrote:
I am saying onus lies on both of them. Both are equally guilty. Why is VKS a hero and AK a villain?
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chackojoseph wrote:
VKS helped loot for two years as he did not complain. Whats the point after complaining after two years when the deed is done?
Up until the point of your above quote, you were misinformed and could have entertained the view that VKS allowed the loot. Once it was pointed out that VKS cancelled the contract immediately and thus there was no loot for two years, your assertion of equal blame should have fallen to the ground. But perhaps you did not want to back down from your public position.
