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Security firm links cyber spy campaign to Chinese hacker
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FRANCISCO — Tokyo-based computer security firm Trend Micro on Friday said it linked a hacker in China to a "cyber espionage" campaign targeting India, Japan, and Tibetans.A Chinese hacker whose nicknames include "Dang0102" and "scuhkr" was involved in online spying to steal military secrets, spy on Tibetan activists and mine information from players in the energy, shipping and aerospace industry."The Luckycat campaign attacked a diverse set of targets using a variety of malware, some of which have been linked to other cyber-espionage campaigns," Trend Micro said in a research paper.
"We were able to track elements of this campaign to hackers based in China."
Luckycat has been going on at least since June of 2011 and has been linked to 90 cyber attacks in Japan and India and on Tibetan activists, according to Trend Micro.Cyber spies compromised 233 computers, usually by tricking users into opening links or files booby-trapped with malicious software crafted to let hackers continually loot information, the security company said.The pinpointed Luckycat hacker has published posts in a notorious XFocus online forum and recruited peers to join a network attack and defense project at the Sichaun University Information Security Institute, according to Trend Micro.Trend Micro refused to comment on reports that the hacker was a former graduate student who works for China's leading Internet portal Tencent.The report did not directly implicate the Chinese government, but security researchers believed that the style of the attacks and the types of targets indicated state-sponsored spying."Unlike largely indiscriminate attacks that focus on stealing credit card and banking information associated with cybercrime, targeted attacks noticeably differ and are better characterized as cyber espionage," Trend Micro said.


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Is China the next superpower?

Many people see China's strength mainly in its economy and although China's economy now ranks as the second largest in the world, its per capita income is still roughly 10 times lower than that of Japan and the United States. Due to The low standard of living China is forced to export. And that's what the Chinese economy is, an export- oriented economic system. This has made China overwhelmingly dependent on consumers in the West. Chinese exports, which go through the global sea trade routes, are dominated by the U.S. Navy. This forces Beijing to invest its resources to build a modern navy to protect its interests. Aside from the economics and naval buildup, China faces enormous domestic issues. The east side of its territory is inhabited by secessionist-


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Limits to Beijing's bullying

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You may remember how in 2010, an independent Norwegian panel considered giving the Nobel Peace prize to a Chinese dissident. Despite intense pressure from Beijing, it wanted to make a decision it thought was right. But Liu Xiaobo wasn't allowed to go to Oslo to receive his award, so the committee went ahead and presented the prize to an empty chair.

Beijing of course, wasn't pleased. So it decided to make Oslo pay. It pressured its friends to abandon the event. The likes of Russia, Iraq, and Cuba didn't attend.

But Norway didn't flinch. So Beijing suspended talks on a free-trade agreement and barred imports of salmon from Norway. The two countries stopped talking.

But this is perhaps where Beijing overstepped its reach. China's economy may be 15 times the size of Norway's, but it accounts for less than 2% of Norway's exports. The two are about 4,000 miles apart. So consider the irony now. China wanted to bully Norway to do its bidding. Now, when China wants to join the Arctic Council, a powerful forum, which controls energy and security around the North pole, it needs all eight of the Council's members to vote "yes". China really wants this membership, so it can chart shorter routes to Europe and discover new energy sources.

But guess who could vote "no"? Yup, Norway.


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abhishek_sharma wrote:

This offers a fascinating insight into the internal politics and power struggle of China. Must read.


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Wait for the real PANDAmonium to break out in China. This is nothing.


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Keep off South China Sea, India warned

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"China will not stand any joint cooperation in our claimed maritime areas," said Wu Shicun, president of the government-run National Institute of South China. Wu was referring to joint exploration project by ONGC-Videsh and a Vietnamese oil company in South China Sea.

Beijing had lobbied hard to block discussion on the South China Sea dispute at the Asean summit but it failed to keep the dispute out of the agenda.

"There are a lot of economic and political risks" for the Indian oil company, Wu said.

Wu, who advises the Chinese government on the South China Sea dispute, said India and Japan should "play a positive role in pushing for settlement" of the problem. The Chinese government will not dilute its claims over the disputed islands because "nationalism prevails strongly in China," he said.


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China has funded or plans to invest in several major infrastructure projects including ports in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Burma, in a policy described as a “string of pearls” with which to ‘choke’ India.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/seychelles/8953319/China-considers-Seychelles-military-base-plan.html

This could get interesting as the US does operate drones from Seychelles. Dheere Dheere sahi but they are strategically positioning around the Indian Sub-continent.


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There was an ethnic clash between 1,000 Hui Muslims and Han Chinese which left 20 injured at Ningjin of Shangdong Province. The article describes it as more like Huis out hunting Han Chinese. The Chinese authorities are covering up the incident because of the current volatile states of ongoing ethnic clashes in China.
According to the article(if you are to believe the Han Chinese version of the story), two Hui young men tried to harass one Han Chinese middle school girl. The mayor of thevillage saw this and criticized the Hui men to behave themselves. The Hui men got angry, so they returned with a knife and stabbed the mayor and his sun. The next day, 1000 Hui men showed up and went on an indiscriminate attack on Han Chinese, during which a public servant's leg was severed and 20 were injured. The Hui justification for the attack is that the Han Chinese were belittling them and their anger against the Han Chinese finally exploded. The Chinese authorities have the situation under control, but is trying to make sure the story not leak outside at the moment.

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PLA Must Prepare For Struggle


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Chinese Antiques: What You Can Get for $2 Million to $90 Million
Gilt-Bronze Figure (12th century)

Sold for $4 million.

This piece, which dates to the Dali Kingdom in Yunnan Province, had an estimated price of $500,000 to $800,000.
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Yunnan was Hindu before Hans took over. May be Indians should start claiming Yunnan as part of India.


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China suspends Bo Xilai from Communist Party politburo, wife suspected of murder
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BEIJING: China's Communist Party suspended former high-flying politician Bo Xilai from its top ranks and named his wife, Gu Kailai, as a suspect in the murder of a British businessman, in explosive revelations on Tuesday likely to rattle leadership succession plans.

The decision to banish Bo from the central committee and its politburo, which effectively ends the career of China's brashest and most controversial politician, and the confirmation that his wife is suspected in the murder of Briton Neil Heywood were reported by the official Xinhua news agency.


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So the state capitalists are gaining strength over the neo-Maoists in the Politburo. Bo's Politburo Standing Committee backer Zhou Yongkang.


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^^ Suraj ji, did you check the latest PRC PMI's ? Manufacturing output decreased at the second-fastest rate in three years in March, with production falling for the fourth time in the past five months. Factory output was reduced largely in response to lacklustre demand from domestic and external markets. New orders fell at the fastest rate in 2012 so far, while new export business decreased for a second month in succession. All this tends to confirm what a lot of recent data has been telling us, that the Chinese economy is slowing significantly.

If you strip out the seasonal factors Chinese exports are now virtually stagnant, and volumes are moving sideways. Year on year growth rates have dropped to levels not seen since 2009. This confirms the impression that the rate of expansion in the global economy has slowed significantly.

I think unrest in PRC will increase even further and sooner or later they will have to divert somewhere - via war of some form. This could be in SE Asia or India, doubt theywill pick a fight with Russia. India needs to be on guard.

China ask Russia to stay away from South China Sea

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Dialogue and more communication can lead to more trust between countries: Le

A top Chinese official on Tuesday said China was open to the idea of a trilateral dialogue mechanism with India and the United States to build trust between the countries, in remarks that have been seen as reflecting a larger, subtle shift in Chinese foreign policy away from a traditional “zero-sum” view of its relations.

Assistant Foreign Minister Le Yucheng said dialogue and more communication “can lead to more understanding and more trust” between the countries, when asked about a proposal made by a leading Chinese strategic scholar last week, who is known to be close to the leadership, for putting in place a China-India-U.S. dialogue, a move that is backed by Indian officials.

China, Mr. Le said, was in general “open and positive” towards such mechanisms. “We believe dialogue is better than confrontation,” he said.

Mr. Le's remarks were seen by analysts and diplomats as reflecting a wider shift in Chinese strategic thinking away from a traditional view of its relationships in the region which, for instance, tended to frame ties with India largely against the backdrop of China's relations with Pakistan and concerns over U.S. “containment.”

This shift has also been seen in unusually strong comments from Chinese officials and the State media this week in welcoming an improvement in India-Pakistan ties. The Foreign Ministry, which rarely breaks from script while commenting on issues not directly involving China, said it was “happy” to see Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari travel to India on Sunday.

The Communist Party-run Global Times went a step further on Tuesday, saying in a commentary that “China has been working hard to help better the relationship between India and Pakistan.” Pakistani officials have also suggested that China had, in fact, advised them to focus on improving trade ties with India as a first step towards greater regional stability.

The Global Times article hinted that there were some sections in the Chinese establishment that had reservations over this approach, saying that it “has even been lambasted” by some in China. A more conservative view of China's policies in South Asia, which is known to find favour among the military and more traditional strategic experts, has advocated a deepening of ties with Pakistan as a response to India-U.S. relations growing closer.

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“As a developing State itself,” the commentary said, “China understands how important a peaceful external environment means to India and Pakistan, where living standards still require major improvements. Hence, rather than aggravate regional tensions, China has been promoting dialogue and cooperation between the two.”

Mr. Le underscored this new approach guiding Chinese foreign policy in a speech on Tuesday at the China Institute of International Studies (CIIS), a think-tank run by the Foreign Ministry.

Mr. Le, who is in charge of the Ministry's policy planning division, outlined the country's priorities in the coming year in an address titled “China's relations with the world at a new starting point.” He said two big shifts in the international system had underpinned current Chinese diplomacy: an increasingly networked world, where countries saw their interests “entwined” and the emergence of the BRICS countries.

“We must abandon the so-called “see-saw” mentality, which contends one's rise is another's fall,” he said. “We must stop playing the “zero-sum” game which builds one's gain on another's loss. Instead, countries must develop a new type of relationship that keeps up with the changes of our time.”

He said there was a mixed international reaction to the rise of emerging countries, with “some applauding, others more negative, and those who cry wolf and see emerging countries as monsters.”

“China, India, Brazil and others have become indispensable components to the world market and their market potential is still being unlocked,” he said, pointing to the agreements reached in New Delhi last month to boost trade and set up a BRICS development bank.

“Rising powers,” Mr. Le said, “should not challenge established powers and established powers should accommodate rising powers.”


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Why does the PRC govt need US. It should have a open dialogue with Indian govt on Pakistan and its policy in Gilgit Baltistan. PRC should invite IA and Indian troops into Gilgit and Baltistan and apprise India about what it is doing in the region. PRC govt should have a frank dialogue with Indian govt over the nuclear technology given to Pakistan and what they are doing inside Pakistan.

PRC/PLA should also invite Indian troops into Tibet/Lhasa and the region to discuss status of Tibetians and Tibet region. This will go a long way to develop trust between PRC govt and the Indian people.

This new dialogue mechanism with India to build trust between the countries,will be been seen as reflecting a larger, subtle shift in Chinese foreign policy away from a traditional “zero-sum” view of its relations with India and its border dispute including Tibet state.


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Starting a war is not something PRC can contemplate with as much ease today. However, an Indian doctrine must openly state the intention to resort to a conventional-weapons based countervalue response to such an action - it will force them to worry about their economic and trade links being disrupted in the event of war.

Hu's own dynastic theme has been peace and harmony, both in the domestic arena through the Harmonious Society ideal and moral Eight Honors and Eight Shames imperatives, and internationally through the peaceful rise slogan.

However, Hu is himself a hardliner as far as domestic liberalization goes - much more like Deng, and not at all in the Zhao Ziyang mould. Wen is probably more in the Zhao mould, but also takes inspiration from Deng; in this famous picture of Zhao Ziyang making his 'I have come too late' speech at Tiananmen in 1989, the guy behind Zhao's left shoulder is a much younger Wen Jiabao. Wen's hardline stance is directed at the neo-Maoists, since he remembers what the actions of the Mao era did to Deng and Zhao; he was probably the driving force behind Bo Xilai's removal.

I'm more interested in knowing who controls PRC's foreign policy signals. I exclude Taiwan from this, since they consider it an internal matter and everyone from Hu downwards is a hardliner as far as that's concerned. However Hu's foreign policy doctrine otherwise suggests a more measured approach, so I'm interested in knowing who else in the Politburo or PSC is the foreign policy hardliner; it does not seem to be Wen. Perhaps someone from the PLA. Even though Hu is the head of the Central Military Commission, he's not a foreign policy hardliner in the Jiang Zemin mould.

Of the next generation of heir-apparents, Xi Jinping is a princeling with a famous father, while Li Keqiang is more of a rose-from-the-ranks type. Neither have a PLA past, nor do they seem particularly inspiring. They're the first generation not directly selected by the original Long March era communists (Hu was handpicked by Deng for inclusion in the 1992 Politburo Standing Committee). It looks like China's post Founding Fathers moment, just as the US had political stasis in the 1820s-1860s.

The South China Sea issue can be seen from China's absurd claim lines:
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They seem to be willfully setting themselves up for trouble there - the US, Russia, India and ASEAN will all contest them on such a maximalist claim.


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SMH: Philippines and China clash as tensions rise over oil-rich seas
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MANILA: The Philippines' biggest warship, obtained from the United States last year, was locked in a standoff with Chinese vessels over fishing in the South China Sea yesterday, increasing tensions in disputed waters rich in oil and gas deposits.

Philippine personnel attempting to arrest Chinese fishermen aboard eight boats on the Scarborough Shoal were blocked by two marine surveillance ships, the foreign affairs department in Manila said in a statement.

The Philippines summoned the Chinese envoy in Manila to seek a ''diplomatic solution''.

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Disputed waters ... Philippine navy troops inspect a Chinese fishing vessel after it was intercepted in the South China Sea. Photo: DFA

The latest incident comes as the Philippines tries to build support among the south-east Asian nations for a common position on territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

China claims most of the waters as its own and used patrol boats last year to disrupt hydrocarbon survey activities, chasing away a ship working for Forum Energy off the Philippines and slicing cables of a vessel doing work for Vietnam.

''It's the law of physics: two competing parties cannot occupy the same space at the same time,'' said Carlyle Thayer, a politics professor at the ADF academy in Canberra.

''The danger now that this has been publicised is growing nationalism in the Philippines that leads to greater resolve for the Philippines to take action.''

The Chinese fishermen were first spotted in the area on April 8, according to the Philippine statement, which referred to the waters as ''an integral part of Philippine territory''.

The Philippine foreign secretary, Albert del Rosario, asked China's ambassador in Manila, Ma Keqing, to discuss the issue today, according to the statement.

The US has a mutual defence treaty with the Philippines and has boosted military relations with Vietnam in recent years.

Both of the countries reject China's map of the South China Sea as a basis for joint development of oil and gas resources, and have pushed ahead with exploration work, leading to more confrontations as China expands the use of its marine surveillance vessels.

The South China Sea contains oil reserves that may total as much as 213 billion barrels, according to Chinese studies cited in 2008 by the US Energy Information Agency.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-17686233

China morning round-up: 'Sacking Bo Xilai is right'
Newspapers on Thursday emphasise that Beijing's decision to suspend Bo Xilai from the Politburo has received "firm support" across the country.


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China causing irritation in the islands of south china sea is a perfect opportunity for india to build "refueling stations" on those islands.


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Why does the PRC govt need US. It should have a open dialogue with Indian govt on Pakistan and its policy in Gilgit Baltistan. . . .

PRC thought that because of its economic clout, it could deal (and therefore browbeat) individually with the countries in South China Sea rim. That did not happen both in ASEAN and ARC where China was isolated. It also thought (based on history) that perhaps Indian leaders would tremble if China upped its hype vis-a-vis India. But, this time, they are seeing for a change an India that is willing to play the poker game with an equal felicity. Besides, the rapidly-developing trilateral collaboration between the US, Japan & India must be worrying China. The increasing US naval presence in Australia and the Philippines and the local countries of the region looking up to India (which the US Secretary of State egged on to take an active role in Asia-Pacific last year at Chennai) mean that China cannot continue its confrontational approach. China does not want to accord primacy to Japan and so is left with only India and the US to talk to (the rest of the ASEAN countries being too puny for it) to diffuse the situation.


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Thousands of Chinese protesters clashed with police and uniformed security forces wielding batons in an area of Chongqing on Wednesday, according to news reports and images posted by activists.

The clashes in Chongqing, a fast-growing urban center, broke out after crowds gathered to protest economic issues in the Wansheng district of the sprawling municipality, just south of the main city of Chongqing and the epicenter of a widening political scandal that has shaken China.


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Photos posted to Chinese microblogs and collected on the Chinese activist site Molihua.org showed crowds and scenes of violence said to have taken place on Wednesday. Several people were shown bloodied, apparently from clashes with security forces.

In one photo, a group of riot police in fatigues defend themselves with plastic shields as protesters appeared to hurl projectiles from a highway overpass. The site also published similar images of large numbers of security forces along with others, presented as bloodied protesters, that were said to be from Tuesday.


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Why does the PRC govt need US. It should have a open dialogue with Indian govt on Pakistan and its policy in Gilgit Baltistan. . . .

PRC thought that because of its economic clout, it could deal (and therefore browbeat) individually with the countries in South China Sea rim. That did not happen both in ASEAN and ARC where China was isolated. It also thought (based on history) that perhaps Indian leaders would tremble if China upped its hype vis-a-vis India. But, this time, they are seeing for a change an India that is willing to play the poker game with an equal felicity. Besides, the rapidly-developing trilateral collaboration between the US, Japan & India must be worrying China. The increasing US naval presence in Australia and the Philippines and the local countries of the region looking up to India (which the US Secretary of State egged on to take an active role in Asia-Pacific last year at Chennai) mean that China cannot continue its confrontational approach. China does not want to accord primacy to Japan and so is left with only India and the US to talk to (the rest of the ASEAN countries being too puny for it) to diffuse the situation.

Very interesting.
Why is that China does not want to give primacy to Japan during negotiations. They do it in the east asia problems such as North Korea.

If Japan gets closer to India and even gets into looking at PRC India dispute this will be a pincer movement against China and this will terrify PRC.


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^^ alliance already exists. When Japan had its problems with PRC the defence minister flew to Delhi and deepened cooperation. I can tell you our intel agencies work closely with Japanese counterparts. Japan and Aussies pool the intel and have formed an anti PRC alliance. Our warships visit regularly.


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why is it that india works closely with every colonial power while not at peace with the only power that rose from the ashes and is our giant neighbor?

is our govt a colonial govt as well?


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Foreign Ministers of China and India to discuss recent spat over South China Sea
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The Foreign Ministers of India and China will meet today in Moscow to discuss the recent spat over the South China Sea, the next steps to resolve the border dispute, terrorism and the forthcoming calendar for high level meetings. The two leaders will be meeting on the sidelines of a trilateral meeting with their Russian counterpart.

With India and China having traded statements over the South China Sea, the South Block is likely to explain that External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna's comments were made in the context of freedom of navigation and unfettered shipping links in the area and that there was no intention to weigh in on overlapping claims of suzerainty by littoral states.

On the border issue, having made slow progress, India is examining the suggestion made during the last round of talks by senior Chinese leader and Special Representative for the border talks Dai Bingguo to document the essence of the discussions held so far and thereby place them on record so that both sides have something to build upon.

Earlier this week, Beijing took an exception to Mr. Krishna referring to South China Sea as the “property of the world'' and calling for “trade-ways to be kept free from any national interference.” This led a Chinese newspaper to contradict the Minister on the first statement and a Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson pointed out that the unfettered robust economic development of the region had demonstrated that freedom of navigation on the South China Sea was unaffected by the dispute.

The South Block has interpreted China to mean that activity by countries from outside the region should not lead them to prejudge claims by a specific littoral state. India has inked oil and gas exploration agreements with the Philippines and Vietnam.

India's preoccupation is with the block in the portion of the sea claimed by Vietnam. There is no issue with a well that has been in the production mode for a decade. But China is suspicious of India having taken up exploration activity in an area that is much closer to Hainan where it has built a nuclear submarine base. :(( :(( Vietnam is firm in its assertion that the new block to India is in its territorial waters. Things will assume an air of finality in a few months after reports are prepared on economical viability of the block.

The border talks have seen the two sides clarifying, explaining and seeking out each other's views rather than entering a phase where they begin talks of a settlement. In the meantime, Mr. Dai and his counterpart Shiv Shankar Menon have found the forum useful to discuss other issues that could improve bilateral ties. There is hope of forward movement with the introduction of a mechanism to address border issues such as the presence of a Chinese patrol in an area India recognises as its territory and the Chinese don't and vice versa in quick time and immediately clam down on a developing unsavoury situation.

On terrorism, India will be pressing its case for Pakistan to put curbs on Hafiz Saeed, the strategist of the 2008 Mumbai attacks, as part of the need to clamp down on purveyors of militant Islamist ideology. The context for acquainting Beijing with India's concerns is the event of China freezing the assets of six absconding persons in Xinjiang who it fears had imbibed radicalism from Pakistan.


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why is it that india works closely with every colonial power while not at peace with the only power that rose from the ashes and is our giant neighbor?

is our govt a colonial govt as well?


No it is the other way around.
china does not want to be at peace with India.


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Why is that China does not want to give primacy to Japan during negotiations.
There is no love lost between them and that is historical.
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Nehru refused to sign the Japan Peace Treaty at San Francisco in c. 1951 because China was not invited to it. Of course, he also wanted a UNSC seat for China more than for his own country. Much have happened in the India-PRC relationship since those days. Similarly India-Japan relationship has metamorphosed within the last decade.

In October, 1999, Indian Coast Guard ship ICGS Tarabai and the Indian Naval Ship, INS Prahar captured a hijacked Japanese vessel MV Allondra Rainbow(and repainted as MV Mega Rama). This incident strengthened relations between the maritime defence forces of Japan and the Indian Coast Guard and the Indian Navy. The anti-piracy operations have brought the two Coast Guards even closer since then. The two Coast Guards signed a Memorandum of Understanding on November 24, 2006 for joint exercises, codenamed ‘Sahyog-Kaijin’, once a year which alternate off Indian and Japanese coasts. The National Defence Programme Guidelines of Japan released in 2011, bring India into sharp defence focus. IIRC, India was the only country mentioned by name. On the economic front too, India & Japan entered into a Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (CEPA) in February 2011 followed by India stepping in to export rare earth minerals to Japan after China unilaterally banned such exports after the incident involving Japanese Navy and Chinese fishermen in September 2010. In 2011, Japan removed seven Indian entities from its Foreign End User List and Indian Rare Earths company was one of them. During defence minister A.K.Antony’s visit to Japan in November, 2011, the two navies decided to expand their joint drills to unprecedented levels. During Japanese PM Yoshihiko Noda’s visit to India in December 2011, Japan also lifted embargo on arms sales to India. India immediately started scouting for the Japanese search-and-rescue planes.

India, Japan and the USA established a trilateral dialogue mechanism by c. 2011 to exchange ideas on ‘regional and global issues of mutual interest’. The first Secretary-level U.S.-Japan-India trilateral meeting took place after the East Asia Summit (ten ASEAN members along with observers) in November, 2011, to set the agenda for future summit-level meetings. The agenda was reviewed by the Indian Prime Minister Man Mohan Singh and the Japanese Prime Minister Yushihiko Noda when the latter visited India in the last week of December, 2011. By c. 2010, India and Japan had already formalized a rare 2+2 format of consultations between the two countries involving the Foreign and Defence Ministers of the two nations simultaneously. They also formalized a Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CEPA) that came into existence from August 1, 2011. These represented a reversal of the diplomatic situation immediately after the 1998 Shakti-II tests when Japan imposed sanctions on India and stopped its Overseas Development Assistance (ODA). The irony is that after Fukushima, India was the only country to receive ODA at the same quantum as before. Japan had also strongly supported India’s inclusion in ASEAN and the East Asia Summit over objections by China.

Since c. 2010, the Japanese Navy (Japanese Maritime Self Defence Force, JMSDF) has also become part of the long-running India-US Malabar exercise. In c. 2007, a five-nation exercise (including Australia and Singapore) was conducted, which China objected to. The Malabar Series of exercises are no longer carried out just off the Malabar coast. The 2011 exercises were off Okinawa in Japan, but Japan itself pulled out because its Maritime forces were deeply involved in relief efforts following the earthquake and tsunami that devasted that country in March, 2011.

All in all, the peaceful rise of China has many countries worried, especially Japan and is leading to unprecedented cooperation among the Asian countries which want India in the pole position to contain the likely conflagration.


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Why is that China does not want to give primacy to Japan during negotiations.
There is no love lost between them and that is historical.


The reason this question was asked was that they engage Japan in the east Asia.
But in South asia they may want to give an image that it is their region of influence and they do not like Japan to participate. If India and Japan start regular mil exercise then they may want to reconsider.

PRC may have already tried to give the impression to rest of Asia that South Asia and Indian Ocean Region is their sphere of influence.

But why do they want US in this round. What is US going to provide PRC. Is US the main architect of the PRC;s South Asia policy?


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Check how China can gets its energy from it own production.
Why is China want to challenge IOR and the region. It is an excuse to keep India down.

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As the world’s No. 2 economy, China, needs oil and lots of it — some 10 million barrels a day. Until now it’s been heavily dependent on oil from the Middle East, especially from Iran. That supply has left Beijing vulnerable to the ups and down of Middle East geopolitics, including the recent Hormuz Straits blockade scare.
Nor do its other energy options look much better. Trying to tap offshore reserves in the South China Sea has roiled relations with Asian neighbors. Another neighbor, Russia, is the world’s biggest oil producer — but it’s hard to see Beijing allowing its ancient rival to control its flow of energy. (Moscow has already shown it’s unafraid to shut off the oil and gas tap in order to intimidate the Europeans.)
But then there’s North America, where combined Canadian, American and Mexican oil production could approach 26.6 million barrels a day by 2020 — more than Russia, Saudi Arabia and Iran put together.
The explosion in US production alone has not only cut our oil imports from 60 percent in 2005 to 49 percent last year, but also put us in the position of becoming a net exporter of natural gas. At the core of that growth are the fracking technologies that are turning oil and gas shale land into an economic bonanza from Canada and Texas to Pennsylvania and North Dakota.

Fracking could do the same for China: Its shale oil and gas reserves might be the largest in the world — an unbelievable 1.275 quadrillion cubic feet, says the US Energy Information Administration. But to tap that huge supply, China would naturally want to work with the Americans who are the world’s leaders in that technology — and in making it environmentally safe.
In fact, China has already started. China Petrochemical or Sinopec recently partnered with Devon Energy for a $2.5 billion stake in explorations in various US sites, while Petrochina has bought a 40 percent stake in Athabasca Oil Sands Corp. Sinopec is also competing with Chinese offshore drilling giant Cnooc Ltd. for a stake in a leading US shale-gas-services company, FTS International.
Some might find this kind of Chinese carpetbagging worrisome. But a smart president would see that exporting gas to China while helping Beijing open its vast shale reserves would not only boost our own economy, but help smooth the way for Beijing to build its energy future on cooperation with the democracies of the West, rather than Iran, Syria and other dictatorships of the East.


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why is it that india works closely with every colonial power while not at peace with the only power that rose from the ashes and is our giant neighbor?

is our govt a colonial govt as well?

There are three reasons that I can think of
1) PRC along with Pakistan is the only country which claims indian territory.
2) PRC along with Pakistan is the only country which occupies Indian territory, just as the Nippon and Nazis were in illegal occupation of Asia and Europe respectively.
3) PRC continues to illegally and immorally occupy Tibet.

None of the any other colonial power does any such sort of thing.

If all of the above conditions are removed, then I think nothing is stopping us from having a fruitful relationship with China, exceeding what we had with the Soviet Union and the one that we plan to have with US.


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China invites Japan, South Korea to build observatory in disputed Aksai Chin


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BEIJING: China is pushing Japan and South Korea to establish an astronomical observatory in Aksai Chin, a remote part of Jammu & Kashmir that Beijing occupied after the 1962 war and had Islamabad cede parts of the region to it a year later.

A Chinese scientist on Sunday said the East Asia Core Observatories Association -- with China, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan as it members - has recommended the site for the observatory. Yao told the official Xinhua news agency that the association had also surveyed sites in the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau and the Pamirs Plateau in Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region, but the new observatory is likely to be established in Tibet (Aksai Chin) this year.

The association's website shows one of its proposed sites in Aksai Chin (Shiquanhe in Chinese) in Tibet.

"EACOA directors reached a consensus that a review and evaluation meeting are urgently needed among regional excepts, aiming to update EACOA on relevant site survey progress, particularly focus on the site-testing metrology, instrumentations, procedures and data analysis performed on the candidate site at Ali (Aksai Chin) Tibet," it said about a recent meeting.

Ali in Tibet's Ngari Prefecture falls within Aksai Chin, which India claims to be its own territory.

The move comes as Beijing has been asking India to pull out of oil exploration from the disputed areas of the South China Sea off the Vietnamese coast. Both China and Vietnam claim the South China Sea.

China feels that the presence of India and Russia, which recently entered the area, will further complicate the territorial dispute. Experts see the Chinese proposal for the observatory as an attempt to complicate the Aksai Chin dispute by drawing in Japan and South Korea, who are members of the Japan-based EACOA.

The observatory will carry out research on planetary science, star formation, gamma-ray bursts and other astronomical projects. It will conduct around-the-clock observations of certain celestial bodies.

The move, if successful, will legitimize Beijing's claim over the disputed area and make it difficult for New Delhi to establish its rights over it.


i hope they turn it down!!


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India has to put pressure and inform Japan and South korea not to participate in Aksai chin as it is Indian territory illegally occupied by china.


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Look at the nations - they all have issues with PRC. Lets say they do establish a centre there, the question is what concession did PRC offer them in return? Its obvious the PRC are trying to break/hurt the alliance with this move and cause tensions. But their move wont work.


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The PRC is playing the old Imperial game of "divide and rule",as far as ASEAN and Asian nations are concerned ,with China's attempts to steal the Indo-China Sea.The so-called discussions with India on the issue are an example,as it excludes the other nations whose rights are being usurped by the thieving Chinese.Here is the latest take on the Phillipines-Sino naval standoff.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asi ... story.html

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Tense naval standoff continues between China, Philippines at disputed shoal

By Associated Press, Published: April 15

MANILA, Philippines — A dangerous naval standoff between China and the Philippines at a disputed South China Sea shoal has eased, but tension flared anew after China deployed a second ship and an aircraft that briefly hovered over the area, Filipino officials said Sunday.

The South China Sea, one of the world’s busiest sealanes, has become more vulnerable to confrontations after governments with conflicting territorial claims started beefing up their maritime forces.

China and rival countries like Vietnam and the Philippines have bolstered their maritime forces to protect islands, reefs and potentially oil- and gas-rich offshore areas they claim in the South China Sea, increasing the possibility of confrontations, he said.

“If the South China Sea can be compared to a bathtub, it is only a matter of time before there is a collision in this congested space,” Thayer told The Associated Press in an e-mail reply to questions. “The incident at Scarborough Shoal is a harbinger of what is to come.”

“Unless this matter is effectively addressed ... the future portends more confrontations and possible clashes at sea,” Thayer said.


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shyamd wrote:
Look at the nations - they all have issues with PRC. Lets say they do establish a centre there, the question is what concession did PRC offer them in return? Its obvious the PRC are trying to break/hurt the alliance with this move and cause tensions. But their move wont work.




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BEIJING: China is pushing Japan and South Korea to establish an astronomical observatory in Aksai Chin, a remote part of Jammu & Kashmir that Beijing occupied after the 1962 war and had Islamabad cede parts of the region to it a year later.


This is the move to change the dynamics in Asia and also the global trade. PRC will come under pressure to show that it can stand up to entire asia and also create its sphere of influence.
There is move to link up the Siachen issue with China with this event.


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Not enough is being discussed of the earth-shattering political event in China,the purge of the exceptionally powerful Bo Xilai,boss of erstwhile Chungking,now "Chonqing",one of the 25 Polkitburo members who aspired to becoming one of the most pwoerful cabal of "9".Bo was pushing for a Maoist philosophy return to achieving greater equality amongst the Chinese people in an equitable share of the economic boom.Bo seems to have fallen for a well-laid out trap by those in the hierarchy who were worried about his egalitarian and "Leftist" leanings.Deliciously wrapped up inside this ouster of Bo is the mysterious death of an English bum-chum,now being ascribed to murder by Bo's wife! Read on.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 45958.html

The dangerous connections of an Old Harrovian
Clifford Coonan Author Biography , David Randall

Sunday 15 April 2012

Neil Heywood's death in a Chongqing hotel might have gone unremarked but for one man's actions. Clifford Coonan in Beijing and David Randall in London step into a bewildering world of intrigue.

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It begins, as so many mysteries do, with a corpse. An Old Harrovian called Neil Heywood, 41, and in hitherto robust health, is found dead in a Chinese hotel room.

His body is rapidly cremated, the family grieve, and there the sad matter might have rested. Except that this is China, and Heywood had connections. Important connections. One is said to have poisoned him; others have disappeared, and, this weekend, yet more layers of apparent intrigue were added with fresh revelations that jealousy and sex may explain all. Or, rather, that's what the authorities want us to believe.

This is, as yet, a puzzle with too many pieces and no clear picture of where they belong. But one thing must be understood at the outset: China is this year having a once-in-a-generation transfer of power. For all its economic vigour, there is jitteriness here. Seven places on the country's nine-man inner ruling elite are due to be changed, and, among the candidates until recently, was Bo Xilai, the party chief in the huge, sprawling city of Chongqing.

It was to Bo that Neil Heywood hitched his commercial wagon when he began to wheel and deal in China. Heywood wrote to a number of rising young Chinese movers, Bo responded, and the Old Harrovian began to build a relationship with him and his family, second wife Gu Kailai and young son Bo Guagua. Bo Xilai was then mayor of Dalian, a city where Heywood met and married his wife, Lulu. When Bo went to Beijing, Heywood followed. When Bo became boss in Chongqing – a city of some 30 million people – Heywood was involved. Among the tasks that Heywood carried out for the Bo family were helping with investments, making introductions to foreign firms trying to start up in the region, and apparently also helping smooth the path of Bo Guagua's English education at Harrow and Balliol College, Oxford.

Heywood by now had two children, and lived the life of a successful fixer in a gated community on the outskirts of Beijing, sailing at weekends, wearing a linen suit, smoking cigars, and driving a silver Jaguar. Like many players in places such as Russia and China, he trailed behind him a certain air of intrigue, leaving the vague impression that he might have intelligence connections. Indeed, he was known to have worked on occasion for Hakluyt & Company, a consultancy firm co-founded by a former MI6 officer. Best not to ask too many questions, old boy.

In the last year or so, Heywood's relationship with Bo and his wife waned. This may have had something to do with Gu's behaviour. She is reported to have suffered from depression and panic attacks, and she started requesting that members of the family's inner circle, including Heywood, divorce their wives and swear an oath of loyalty. Heywood, understandably, refused. Bizarre, but an alleged explanation was to emerge.

Meanwhile, Bo's regime in Chongqing was far from low-key. He was a boss who combined wheeling and dealing to lure Western business to his city with a populist line in Mao-era nostalgia that included organising public sing-songs of revolutionary songs. He had also led a ruthless purge of organised crime which involved torture, and the trial and execution of his rivals. He made money, big money, but he also made enemies, and his grandstanding style made him dangerously conspicuous in the conformist world of Chinese politics.

And so we come to the moment in November 2011 when Heywood was summoned to Chongqing. He checked into a hotel, which is so far unnamed, and it was here that he was found dead. The Chinese told British diplomats that this modest drinker had died of excessive alcohol, but informed his family he had succumbed to a heart attack. Either way, no one raised any suspicions about the sudden death of a 41-year-old, and his body was cremated, reportedly at the request of, or at least with the agreement of, his family.

It is unusual for the Chinese authorities to conduct no post-mortem examination, to so swiftly dispose of a body, and, curiously, to have two policemen at the cremation. A foreigner's death is always problematic for the Chinese police; the usual reaction is inertia, as officers kick the problem upstairs. The role, if any, of the British embassy in all this is not known.

The next material development involves Wang Lijun, Bo's deputy, head of security, and the man in charge of Bo's extirpation of organised crime. In February, Wang went to Bo and told him that Heywood's death was murder, and the suspects were Madam Gu and one of her domestic staff. The city boss's reaction was to relieve Wang of his duties, a move that, given Bo's wide powers, made the now ex-police chief fear for his life. On 6 February, he contacted the British consulate, made an appointment he never kept, and instead drove 170 miles to a US diplomatic outpost in Chengdu. There he spilled his considerable store of beans, telling the Americans not only of the alleged killing of Heywood, but much else besides.

The Americans listened, took notes, accepted the as yet unspecified documents he handed them, declined to give him protective shelter, and, a day later, Wang emerged into the waiting arms of the Beijing authorities. He was detained and has not been seen since.

The Chinese – Wang presumably having unburdened himself – now acted. First Bo was stripped of all positons, then Madam Gu was held and charged with poisoning Heywood. The motive, it was said, was that she and Heywood "had conflict over economic interests, which had been intensified". But why would she kill a prominent member of the British community because of a wrangle over commission? After all, her husband had reportedly made merry as city boss, she was a successful lawyer in her own right, and her sisters controlled a business empire worth about £80m. Last night, Mandarin websites claimed it was not business that was the motive, but jealousy: Gu was having, or had had, an affair with Heywood, and Bo ordered the Briton killed.

Just as likely – if Heywood's death was murder – is that it was to do with what he knew of the couple's business dealings. It's very difficult to work out how much money Bo Xilai has, but it probably runs through a web of family members and associates. Very little can be traced back to the man himself, but his wife would have leveraged his high position into major business opportunities. Certainly the party hierarchy thinks so – or wants others to think so. The People's Daily hinted at this when it said that she made use of her closeness to power.

Corruption allegations have hung around Bo and Gu for many years. There were lots of rumours of corruption during his tenure as mayor of Dalian in the 1990s, but a journalist who made allegations about graft in the family, Jiang Weiping, was jailed. He says he was abducted on the orders of Bo's minions, and he has lived in exile in Canada since 2009. Jiang has made other allegations about Gu, including that she has both a Hong Kong ID and a Singapore green card.

The idea that Bo Inc had major funds was supported by debates about how he afforded the very high school and college fees for his son on a politician's salary of a reported £75,000. Bo has always insisted Guagua was a scholarship boy, but he certainly did not behave like one. At Oxford, he was known as a party boy, and was warned to spend more time preparing for exams. While his father was pushing "red" cultural activities in Chongqing, Bo Guagua was supposedly driving a red Ferrari. Whatever happened, he managed to get into the John F Kennedy School of Government at Harvard (fees, $70,000), where he lived in a $3,700-a-month apartment and drove a Porsche. He is now in the care of US officials.

And then there is the man who has barely been mentioned so far: Xu Ming, China's eighth-richest man. He is the founder and chairman of the Dalian Shide chemical group, and one of Bo's closest allies. He has also been detained, on 15 March, for alleged economic crimes. Bo, meanwhile, has not been formally charged with corruption, but it can be only a matter of time.

As for Madam Gu, her chance of getting off is thin. People are rarely found innocent once an investigation starts, and, because President Hu and Premier Wen are so keen to get rid of Bo, the government will do everything to connect Gu's activities to him. The couple will be made an example of, by the look of things. In a speech in March, the anointed future leader, Vice President Xi Jinping, said: "Everyone is equal under the law." It has been much repeated lately, and that is not a good sign for Bo, Gu, Wang or Xu. Whether it delivers the truth to Neil Heywood's family is another matter entirely.


There you have it,China today! Sounds very much like the good old days of Shanghai and the opium dens what?


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Considering the depth and longevity of tensions that PRC has with Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, an observatory in Aksai Chin is not the kind of inducement. This is being done as a tit for tat for the ONGC-Vietnam deal and to legitimize the grab of Aksai Chin. China also wants India to react so that it can turn the tables on her.


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A nice counter would be to talk to Japan and Korea and have them request PRC to include India in the observatory plan as a requirement for their joining. That should provoke an interesting response from PRC.


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That would legitimise China's illegal occupancy of Aksai Chin.Instead we should warn both Japan and SoKo that India would destroy any such installation which was illegally constructed in India's opinion and taking part in such a venture a "hostile" act on their part,which would have serious strategic and diplomatic repercussions and would place the lives of their nationals in harms way.


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