Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
lakshmikanth
BRFite
Posts: 723
Joined: 27 Oct 2008 10:07
Location: Bee for Baakistan

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by lakshmikanth »

I have been thinking about the reasons why we allowed Baki elites to invest in India. I agree to shiv's reasoning on the options available to us, but I believe that does not give our elites an excuse to align with the Baki elites.

I see this opening up of FDI move as the first steps towards unification and alignment of the elite structures of India and Pigistain.

What does each other get from this:

For the Pigs-Elites:
--------------------
  • It buys the pigs tremendous power in using the 5th column in India more efficiently.
  • It gives them a cushion of protection against western sanctions
  • It gives them a part of the Indian pie, allowing them and their financial muscle to grow with India.
  • It serves their delusion that they will one day rule over the red fort, if not militarily financially, and they can use terrorism in a strategic way to influence them to get there.
For the Indian Elite:
--------------------
  • It gives them some leverage over Baki elites (but Baki elites do not control the fundus anymore, so no hope there).
  • It gives them hope that the Baki elites would bury the hatchet and reduce hostility, and will not use terror anymore (another delusion)
  • It serves their delusion (if present) that sauth asia should be ruled by one block of elites (the Baki elites will never share power, their memes do not allow it)
I think in this the Indian Elite might have miscalculated the fact that Baki elite have very little control over the memes and "narratives" of Bakistan, which are the root cause of the issue. They cannot say "two nation theory is bull$h1t", they cannot say "Hindus are not evil anymore", they cannot say "India is not the number one threat" and last but not the least: "Less Islam is the solution".

The Baki elite going against this meme would make them a traitor who is planning for the destruction of the entity called Bakistan, and then they would become cutlets for the jeehardy fundos, and most average Baki would also gladly support it (as seen by the support to Qadri)

However, Jeehardy fundies would see an opportunity to threaten the elites who invest in India to get things done in India or to get the 5th columnists in India to wake up and support Jeehardis. Since the Indic memes are weak and are continuously weakened by the eminent sons of Macaulay, they will not find any issue with berating Indian memes, which are much weaker than the Baki one and are not the foundation of India.

This event is a serious security risk, and I hope our Babus atleast wake up and throw a big spanner in the works of the elites. The Elites are planning to make this a one way street that serves the Bakis and no one else.
shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by shiv »

abhishek_sharma wrote:>> It is politically easier in India to ignore deaths,

Probably right. jab log nahi rahenge, tab is zameen ka kya karenge?

Maybe Pakis with Indian visas will live here.
Actually there is another way of looking at it. "I will die for my land".

If you look at criminality and murders in India some of the most common provocations are love and land. People kill for land and die for land. But the land has to mean something for them personally. I have extrapolated this with the observation that it has not been politically easy to sell loss of land after 1949, but it has been politically relatively simple to explain away thousands of deaths - especially when you look at the fact that a huge number of deaths and injuries have been of soldiers at the border "protecting the land".

Let me make some statements that are bound to shock. Putting a lot of value on one life or "this life" is more of a Christian trait than a traditional Indian one. It is a trait that politicians recognize and use. Islamists do that too in fact

Take this as criticism or as praise - but that is an observation that I am not making for the first time. I am willing to discuss this further, and take inputs on that statement in some other thread.
Prem
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21233
Joined: 01 Jul 1999 11:31
Location: Weighing and Waiting 8T Yconomy

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by Prem »

Dear Friends,
Dont fear Poaqs we have handled the Poaqqolos in 47 well. And that was the time when they thought Allah was on their side. Now they have failed miserabley , Allah has forsaken them and now getting ready to deliver Pakis in our kaffir hands to wash them with the Karmic Detergent and o make them "good" for ever . Lets have rich and famous first and after we have taken their money , we will get the Aaamfool to make them feet ka dhool. These guys are born slaves , both mentally, physically, culturally and nationally. They have taken the first step to replace one of the masters with India.Soon we will own all of them.
5 more years and here come the Pathan checking Pakjabi maal e ghanimat and the watch the fun.
abhishek_sharma
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9664
Joined: 19 Nov 2009 03:27

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by abhishek_sharma »

Dying while protecting the country is one thing. It should not be compared with GoI's current approach: "We will only fight if Indian territory is captured, and we are going to ignore deaths in terrorist attacks". The latter implies that human lives are not worth fighting for. It is consistent with some despicable arguments like "We have 1.2 billion people. What is the big deal if 200 people died".
shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by shiv »

Pakistanis already have FDI in India. Only it's mostly illegal and Hawala. Apart from pushing in crores as fake currency, some real currency is sent in along with "experts" like Kasab and the shaheeds of the LoC. Dawood funds Bollywood ventures. Dawood also helps Indian hawala operators and the odd neta.

The problem with legal FDI in India is that if Pakistani elites really really want a stake in FDI it's going to have to be done with non fake, fully accountable money that could otherwise be usefully spent in funding the Jammat ud Dogwa or the Difart e Pakistan.
shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by shiv »

abhishek_sharma wrote:It is consistent with some despicable arguments like "We have 1.2 billion people. What is the big deal if 200 people died".
Never mind objections to the argument. The argument has been openly used.

When terrorist attacks are called pinpricks - that is the first step towards making exactly such an argument. What is anyone who is opposed to that argument going to do about it apart from make a feeble protest? The argument works effectively as a political ploy in India. Pakistani attacks are "pinpricks" More people ar dying from blabla every day. Therefore we ignore the "minority" attackers.

Isn't this exactly what is happening even as we on BRF have watched? It may be morally/ethically wrong, but it is happening.
SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 25113
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by SSridhar »

abhishek_sharma wrote:Dying while protecting the country is one thing. It should not be compared with GoI's current approach: "We will only fight if Indian territory is captured, and we are going to ignore deaths in terrorist attacks".
Abhishek ji, apart from 1.2 billion Vs. 200 nonsense, I would say that we don't fight always when territory is lost.
shyam
BRFite
Posts: 1453
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 11:31

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by shyam »

Paki FDI will be coming in in fake currencies.
Prem
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21233
Joined: 01 Jul 1999 11:31
Location: Weighing and Waiting 8T Yconomy

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by Prem »

Bijli Chamke gi, Poaqri Khanke gi

India offers electricity at Rs15 per unit
ISLAMABAD: India has offered tariff of about Rs15 per unit for sale of 500MW of electricity to Pakistan at the Wagah-Attari border that would require a total of 45 kilometres of transmission line, a government official told Dawn on Friday.A 14-member delegation of Global Energy, a company based in New Delhi, flew into Islamabad on a special plane on Friday for three-day talks with Pakistani authorities to negotiate electricity tariff, firm up technical and transmission details and finalise a sales and purchase agreement.A four-member team of the delegation had an opening session with Water and Power Minister Syed Naveed Qamar who directed the Central Power Purchase Agency (CPPA), a state-owned entity that purchases electricity from various sources and sells it to distribution companies, to negotiate tariff and other technical details of the project.An official said the Indian company with most of its operations in Mumbai and Bangalore was acting in the project as purchaser-cum-exporter of electricity from Indian Punjab through Amritsar and delivery at Attari.
He said the company had offered an initial tariff of Indian rupees 7.5 per unit delivered on the border that translates into about Rs14.7 per unit in local currency.He said the Indian offer was on the higher side given applicable tariff in Pakistan at less than Rs8 per unit that would be negotiated by the CPPA. However, he said that electricity produced through furnace oil, diesel and wind in Pakistan cost between Rs15 and 22 per unit on average.Officials said that while the CPPA team would negotiate a maximum possible reduction in tariff on proposed import project but at the end of the day it would be up to economic managers and the political leadership to take a final decision on electricity import keeping in mind comparable sources of electricity available in the country.They said the project would require a 45 kilometre of 220kv transmission line on both sides of the border, including 25 kilometres in India and 20km inside Pakistan.
anishns
BRFite
Posts: 1382
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 09:43
Location: being victim onlee...

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by anishns »

Bwaaaaa Bwaaaaa!!! :(( :(( :(( :((

Pakistani troops feel West undervalues their war

http://media.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/ ... rmy_01.jpg

Notice the brown pants in the above picture!!!

Click on the link for more images...although these are from Kalpani base at the Afghanistan-Pakistan theater.
The outer wear looks more like a thin rain-jacket rather than a winter Parka....is it used so as not to restrict mobility?

They look more like a sad bunch of rag tag jihadis than soldiers!
Last edited by Gerard on 15 Apr 2012 04:46, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: removed inlining
svinayak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14223
Joined: 09 Feb 1999 12:31

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by svinayak »

After Himalayan avalanche, many in Pakistan call for patching ties with India
TOM HUSSAIN
McClatchy Newspapers

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/04/12/35 ... -many.html

ISLAMABAD — The probable loss of an entire garrison of Pakistani troops to a Himalayan avalanche on the country's disputed border with India has firmed national support for settling the longstanding political disputes between the nuclear-armed neighbors.

In particular, the avalanche has refocused the attention of Pakistanis on the futility of posting thousands of troops on the Siachen Glacier, where 6,200 troops have died since it notoriously became the world's highest battlefield in 1984. Ninety percent of the troop deaths were due to hypothermia and other climate-related ailments, according to peace activists.

The Pakistani military has all but acknowledged the deaths of 124 mountain soldiers and 11 civilians, whose garrison at an altitude of some 16,000 feet was buried under 80 feet of snow early Saturday. The military's spokesman, Gen. Athar Abbas, has asked the Pakistani public to "pray for a miracle."


Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani effectively signaled the government's acceptance of the massive loss, offering the Muslim fateha prayer — offered for the dead — for the soldiers at a meeting of the federal Cabinet on Wednesday.

Some 240 rescue workers, using detection dogs, earthmoving machinery and shovels, have braved subzero temperatures and blizzards since Sunday to work around the clock to find the men of the Northern Light Infantry buried alive at the Gayani garrison.

An eight-member U.S. search-and-rescue team joined the increasingly desperate efforts this week as infantry troops and earth-excavating machinery dug five tunnels into the snow in attempts to detect survivors, but to no avail. No bodies have been recovered, either.

The tragedy coincided with a one-day visit to India on Sunday by Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari, the first in seven years by a Pakistani president, ostensibly for a pilgrimage to a Sufi shrine in the northwest Indian city of Ajmer. Politics trumped spirituality, however, with Zardari and his son first stopping in New Delhi for a lunch with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and top officials of the ruling Congress Party.

The cordial meeting, coming against the tragic backdrop of the avalanche, has sparked calls from across Pakistan's political spectrum for the acceleration of negotiations with India, with which it has fought four wars since the countries gained independence in 1947.

Opposition leader Nawaz Sharif set aside a war of words with Zardari to voice support earlier this week for improving relations with India and resolving their dispute over the disputed territory of Kashmir, where the glacier is located.

Sharif was particularly supportive of the president's suggestion that India's world champion cricket team should tour Pakistan.

"I am ready to do my part in reviving ties. ... I want to be part of the Pakistani team when India comes to play," joked Sharif, a cricket enthusiast.

Politicians from Pakistan's ruling coalition government have called on India to accept its proposal to "demilitarize" the Siachen Glacier. Defense officials from both countries discussed proposals in May 2011, but the talks stalled after India insisted that Pakistan first recognize its troop positions so that Pakistani forces would not subsequently occupy them.

"What we want is the honorable withdrawal of forces to pre-1984 positions," said Qamar Zaman Kaira, spokesman for Zardari's Pakistan Peoples Party.

Pakistan and India had in 2006 come close to reaching an agreement on their core disputes over Kashmir, said Khurshid Kasuri, Pakistan's foreign minister at the time. The process was scuttled, however, by the Pakistani militant organization Lashkar-i-Taiba, which days later launched a four-day killing spree in Mumbai, India's largest city, that cost 166 lives.

Peace talks were tentatively resumed last year after Singh invited Gilani to watch the Pakistani team play a semifinal match in the cricket world cup in India.

In the absence of agreement on any substantial political issues, talks on reducing trade restrictions have taken the lead. Prodded by its closest ally, China, Pakistan agreed in December to remove restrictions on Indian imports of fresh produce, petroleum products and newsprint. Both countries have agreed to remove restrictions on most other goods by the end of 2012.

Indian and Pakistani trade ministers on Friday are expected to open a dedicated trade facility at a border post located between the cities of Lahore and Amritsar. And interior ministry officials on both sides are scheduled to meet later this month to approve a new, streamlined process for issuing business visas.

After their meeting Sunday, Zardari and Singh told reporters that they had discussed "all possible issues" over delicacies that included gushtaba, meatballs from Kashmir. They agreed to work toward talks on the less controversial aspects of their bilateral relationship, and Singh accepted Zardari's offer to visit Pakistan this year.

But Singh is adamant that talks on the countries' core disputes, particularly Kashmir, hinge on Pakistan taking action against Lashkar-i-Taiba and its founder, Hafiz Mohammad Saeed.

The U.S. Justice Department last week offered a $10 million reward for information leading to Saeed's arrest or conviction, in a move that was widely seen as increasing pressure on Pakistan. But the Pakistani government has said it cannot act against Saeed because Pakistani courts — which have a fierce independent streak — acquitted him in 2009 of involvement in the Mumbai attacks.

"The problem of terrorism ... is a major issue by which the Indian people will judge progress in the bilateral relationship," India's foreign secretary, Ranjan Mathai, told reporters after the meeting between Singh and Zardari.

(Hussain is a McClatchy special correspondent)
shravan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2206
Joined: 03 Apr 2009 00:08

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by shravan »

Nine gunned down, several hurt in Quetta firing incidents
http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=46116&CID=1

QUETTA: Incidents of targeted killings continued in Quetta on Saturday as nine more people were gunned down and several others injured in three armed attacks at different areas of Quetta, SAMAA reports.
Last edited by shravan on 14 Apr 2012 11:52, edited 1 time in total.
shravan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2206
Joined: 03 Apr 2009 00:08

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by shravan »

PESHAWAR:Bomb blast kills excise officer
http://dawn.com/2012/04/14/bomb-blast-k ... e-officer/
Gaurav_S
BRFite
Posts: 785
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 15:40
Location: Out on other planet
Contact:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by Gaurav_S »

Is Pakistan an Emerging Market?

http://www.nl-aid.org/continent/south-a ... ng-market/
Most people in the West believe that Pakistan is an unstable country on the verge of imminent collapse or an explosion of violence. It is consistently portrayed—by politicians, policymakers, and the media—as the most dangerous and dysfunctional state in the world, struggling with terrorism, an out-of-control military, and interreligious conflict.
Many of the problems the country faces can be found in some form in other emerging markets such as India, Indonesia, Mexico, and Nigeria, all of which are increasingly targeted by international investors. Nigeria, for instance, has suffered from terrorism, attacks on churches and mosques, and nationwide strikes—all in the last few weeks. It also has a long history of military intervention into politics. Mexico’s war against the country’s drug cartels has produced nearly 40,000 deaths over the past five years—roughly the same number as Pakistan’s troubles (in a country that has far fewer people).

India, which is more like Pakistan than either would care to admit, has many of these same problems. It currently faces an insurgency that operates in over one-eighth of its districts. :roll: Its government has more often than not been a hindrance to development. Many of it northern states have social development indicators worse than Pakistan. Yet, it is considered one of the most important emerging markets in the world.

Pakistan also has a number of important assets that contributed to its former success in attracting investment, including an able pool of professionals, an enterprising business community, a significant industrial base, and a modern banking system. It is a very investor-friendly country in terms of regulation and a relative lack of corruption. Its low wages, strategic location, and large domestic market offer an abundance of opportunities for investment and trade.
Nice try to lure investors.Seems like author is unaware abouut insuregency and threats faced by India and the world emits from his own country. Whole world is aware of this but he is unaware.
svinayak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14223
Joined: 09 Feb 1999 12:31

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by svinayak »

Last edited by Gerard on 15 Apr 2012 04:54, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: removed inlining
svinayak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14223
Joined: 09 Feb 1999 12:31

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by svinayak »

Check the ridge
Patrolling has created the avalanche

Image
svinayak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14223
Joined: 09 Feb 1999 12:31

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by svinayak »



Life of a Siachen Soldier Part 2 (Pakistan Army)

They dont even see the siachen glacier side and they keep referring to Siachen
Anindya
BRFite
Posts: 1539
Joined: 02 Feb 2003 12:31
Location: USA

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by Anindya »

What is the value of brainstorming with Pakistanis on education?

Borders blur as experts brainstorm on education
Indian members found that they could learn from some best practices of public-private partnership followed by Pakistan in the education sector.

Besides this, both countries can share the best practices for skill development which is imperative to meet the future demand for skilled professionals.
Really!! Skill development and public-private partnership from Pakistani educators?
SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 25113
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by SSridhar »

Anindya, don't you see the Chankian move here ? We are just humouring the Pakis by finding some best practices in education such as madrasseh=Government partnership, jihadi extremist curricula etc. Once they are taken in, we will change them completely to our way of thinking. Anyway, just wait for startling developments.
Anindya
BRFite
Posts: 1539
Joined: 02 Feb 2003 12:31
Location: USA

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by Anindya »

"Anyway, just wait for startling developments" - that's what I'm nervous about.
SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 25113
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by SSridhar »

The New Liberal Visa Regime
Talking to journalists later, Mr. Chidambaram said though details could not be revealed now, the new visa regime would facilitate the movement of businessmen, the elderly, children and spouses. India had already agreed to the new regime, and was awaiting an appropriate decision from the Pakistan Cabinet.
It is India which is moving with more speed than Pakistan as the bolded part shows. No one knows Pakistani perfidy more than P.Chidambaram and yet we are throwing all caution to winds and are embracing the jihadi terrorists from across the border with open arms.
member_23114
BRFite -Trainee
Posts: 2
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by member_23114 »

I very strongly feel that the "aman ki aasha" and "Wagah candle light huggers" are the Punjabi and the North Indian (more so Western UP with a large Muslim population) people. They seem to have an extremely disproportionate influence in the corridors of power as compared to the Western (Gujarat, Maharashtra, Rajasthan) and Southern (TN, Karnataka, Andhra and Kerala) people who really..really hate Pakistan and would never...ever contemplate any lenience towards them as shown by the current GoI. I also feel that the Western and Southern parts of our country do not care a wee bit about the shared "Turkic-Mongol-Persian Mughal Heritage" that the North so proudly trumpets.

Disclosure: I'm from MP, lived and educated in Mumbai and now in Bangalore, my wife is from Western UP..so my bias is not per-se region specific to anyone in Bharat. My apologies if I've offended anyone.
SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 25113
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by SSridhar »

anshuljain, if leaders from the Punjab and other North Indian states (Indus-Gangetic-Yamuna) belt are for aman-ki-asha more than the leaders from other regions, why is it so ? After all, they are the ones who have suffered the most during Partition or post-Partition times until today (excluding Mumbai). Indeed, they have also suffered enormously in the regime preceeding Pakistan and Great Britain. Can you attribute a reason ?
sum
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10196
Joined: 08 May 2007 17:04
Location: (IT-vity && DRDO) nagar

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by sum »

^^ Sigh, as suspected , the 26/11 anger took 3.5 years to dissipste and we once again show another "hand of friendship" as if nothing had happened earlier. Lets see what thappad we recieve this time ( after Kargil and 26/11 earlier) for the amazing Chankianess on display.

Anyways, let this hindu fundamentalist ,who has no clue of geo-political Chankianess, not dispurt the pappi-jhappi which will reach a cresendo in next few months before the next Paki thappad brings everyone back to earth and we would have a BRF thread which would fill 50-60 pages within 1-2 days with outraged BRFites blasting the GoI..

And then the cycle would repeat.
shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by shiv »

anshul attitudes to Pakistan in South India have moved from ignorance and apathy to hatred after Pakistan showed its true colors with terrorism. I don't get the feeling that people in the North actually love or welcome Pakistan.

Tolerating Pakistan is not a "peoples movement" in India. It has become a political strategy that was set in motion within 2 years of 26/11 and was clearly announced by many including PC who (along with a few others) made the rather unconvincing argument that "Even if we don't talk we are not getting anywhere. So we might as well talk"

This is the policy we are seeing now and unless there is a major terrorist attack we are sure to hear some "startling things".

Having said that I cannot see any serious political movement in India opposing the government's strategy on Pakistan. Aside from BRF (where it is generally opposed ) and the newspapers who make dumb headlines like "relations warming up" there is no one who is telling the GoI to back off. Funnily enough there appears to be no one telling the Paki "government" such as there is to back off either. That makes it convenient for the Indian government.

This love Pakistan policy seems to be moving forward rapidly and in the absence of any terrorist hit I can't see it stopping.
ArmenT
BR Mainsite Crew
Posts: 4239
Joined: 10 Sep 2007 05:57
Location: Loud, Proud, Ugly American

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by ArmenT »

Acharya wrote:
....
Some 240 rescue workers, using detection dogs, earthmoving machinery and shovels, have braved subzero temperatures and blizzards since Sunday to work around the clock to find the men of the Northern Light Infantry buried alive at the Gayani garrison.

An eight-member U.S. search-and-rescue team joined the increasingly desperate efforts this week as infantry troops and earth-excavating machinery dug five tunnels into the snow in attempts to detect survivors, but to no avail. No bodies have been recovered, either.
Question is, are they really searching for the bodies or have they decided to hide some evidence of hanky panky going on there (a la washing the area with a powerful water hose after BB met her sunroof lever).
SureshP
BRFite
Posts: 256
Joined: 10 Apr 2002 11:31

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by SureshP »

:rotfl: :lol:

UK police accuse PIA crew of stealing goods


Bhagwandas | 13 hours ago

KARACHI: The United Kingdom police have asked the PIA management to stop its crewmembers, including airhostesses and stewards, from stealing goods from hotels and shops during their stay in that country, it is learnt reliably.

According to sources, a superintendent of Greater Manchester Police, North Manchester Division, Stuart Ellison, said in a communication to the Pakistan International Airlines: “I would be grateful if PIA could confirm by return the steps it will take internally to support us as we look to solve this problem together.”

After repeated attempts to contact him, PIA spokesman Sultan Hassan said the query had been communicated to the department concerned and its response was awaited.

Mr Ellison said that retailers, hoteliers and individuals had been voicing concerns over the conduct of PIA crew. The goods stolen form hotels included gowns, towels, kettles and glasses, he said.

Some of the key retailers from the Market Street Area of Manchester were regularly detaining PIA crew for shoplifting offences.

He said PIA’s reputation was at stake because if a hotel filed a complaint, police would have to take action and detain the suspect/s and without a backup / standby crew available the aircraft might be delayed.

“Often the relatively low value of stolen property, the fact that your crew have openly disclosed that they’re returning to Pakistan the following day and the fact that the store has recovered its property has meant that police arrests have not been sought.

However, given that there may be three PIA crews in the city at one time, the regularity of reports of theft (shoplifting) by PIA crew has increased to a point where positive action has to be taken.”

He said that following a complaint, “an arrest is made, your staff members will be processed at our Custody Suite and, because of them being overseas nationals who we cannot verify at a UK address — and thereby assure ourselves that they would answer bail if released, they will be kept in custody overnight and detained to appear in court the following day”.
http://dawn.com/2012/04/14/uk-police-ac ... ing-goods/
abhijitm
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3679
Joined: 08 Jun 2006 15:02
Contact:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by abhijitm »

^^ found this thread talking about PIA crew stealing showerhead from a hotel back in February
PIA Crew caught stealing shower from Hotel
Came to know from 'reliable' sources that a PIA crew member has been caught stealing bathroom shower from PC. The hotel staff had doubts as on few previous occassions the toilet showers were missing from the room, this person was staying. This time they were alert and caught him/her with 'maal masrooqa' while he/she was checking out.
abhijitm
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3679
Joined: 08 Jun 2006 15:02
Contact:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by abhijitm »

^^ and found these headlines after digging more about PIA recent criminal activities
1. Rawalpindi: PIA hostess arrested, 2.5kg heroin recovered (june 2011)
2. Karachi: Wildlife trafficker, PIA fined; lions confiscated (feb 2011)
3. Islamabad: Human smuggling with collusion of FIA functionaries (oct 2010)
4. Islamabad: PIA official sacked in fake visas case (sep 2010)
5. Karachi: PIA dismisses 200 employees for fake degrees (july 2010)

PIA is their true national carrier
anupmisra
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9203
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 04:16
Location: New York

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by anupmisra »

abhijitm wrote:PIA is their true national carrier
I guess the pakis are taking the slogan that they are the "Ambassadors of their country" far too seriously. They probably assumed they have diplomatic immunity.
shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by shiv »

Reading today's papers I find that the headlines speak f allowing Paki FDI into India and a liberalized visa regime as some great victory. Not sure if newspaper editors are dumb and without any analytical insight or the media are being forced to put out such stuff.

Unless I am mistaken I can see no such triumph in the Pakistani media suggesting that a great breakthrough has been achieved. In fact the Pakistani demand after Kashmir is much more mundane - that India resume cricketing ties. Pakistanis want relationships with India where they feel they have a chance of showing their supremacy. They need something to prove that Pakistan is the right choice baby and that the kafir Indians will always be down.

On the other hand, I can imagine why there is not much jubilation in Pakitan about FDI into India. You see Pakistan wants FDI, not the other way round. FDI from Pakistan into India means Paki putting his money in india. This is akin to Indian being allowed to settle in Australia or Canada if he can bring in X thousand dollars. You are welcome if you show the money.
anupmisra
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9203
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 04:16
Location: New York

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by anupmisra »

The Great Khan speaks:
Imran said the system of slavery is prevalent in the country and people are being economically prosecuted.
“Around 80 percent of the people have joined PTI on the recommendation of their children,” Khan revealed
shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by shiv »

anupmisra wrote:The Great Khan speaks:
“Around 80 percent of the people have joined PTI on the recommendation of their children,” Khan revealed
Hmm female children?
KLNMurthy
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4838
Joined: 17 Aug 2005 13:06

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by KLNMurthy »

shiv wrote: ...
b has been critcized for being ineffective because we still get punished by terorism
...
This is not an India-Pakistan game at all. Continuous punishment from Pakistan may be the cheapest course for India. This is what it is looking like to me unless someone can point out an option that seems more credible and doable.
I actually agree that the name of the game cannot be about reducing paki terrorism. Yet that is exactly what we are playing. Keeping TSP at arm's length and hurting them on the diplomatic and propaganda fronts can teach them to get out of the master race mindset. Policies towards China and US can be discussed elsewhere.

We are getting hit no matter what we do with TSP. If India's larger goal is Indic self-development, it requires choosing to assert ourselves and to press the enemy to change its ways. Instead we are reinforcing the TSP mindset, by defining ways=terrorism which is a dead end.
Last edited by KLNMurthy on 14 Apr 2012 20:41, edited 1 time in total.
brihaspati
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12410
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 03:25

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by brihaspati »

anshuljain wrote:I very strongly feel that the "aman ki aasha" and "Wagah candle light huggers" are the Punjabi and the North Indian (more so Western UP with a large Muslim population) people. They seem to have an extremely disproportionate influence in the corridors of power as compared to the Western (Gujarat, Maharashtra, Rajasthan) and Southern (TN, Karnataka, Andhra and Kerala) people who really..really hate Pakistan and would never...ever contemplate any lenience towards them as shown by the current GoI. I also feel that the Western and Southern parts of our country do not care a wee bit about the shared "Turkic-Mongol-Persian Mughal Heritage" that the North so proudly trumpets.

Disclosure: I'm from MP, lived and educated in Mumbai and now in Bangalore, my wife is from Western UP..so my bias is not per-se region specific to anyone in Bharat. My apologies if I've offended anyone.
That is historical consequence. From the start of Islamic expansion, all the way through to Brit occupation - the population in the north facing up to the occupiers divided up into three. Those that fought straight up and died or were systematically eliminated by the Muslims and the Brits. Those surviving from the resistors and deliberately sent out by their elders to carry on the family lines and resistance elsewhere and who spread out far away from the hotbeds of the invaders - many went south. Those who were too attached to their land and wealth and power to either resist or leave and ready to compromise.

The last group would be predominantly those whose interests lay in land, and especially long distance trade routes and urban centres of manufacture. The financier class, could not leave the established trade points without losing their main handles, neither could the artisan classes. Thus the portion of the landed gentry, the financiers and the artisans for whom all else was a commodity to be sold for a price - faith, culture, ones people, family, women, any concept of nationhood - sold off and compromised for the sake of profits and wealth.

This is the nature of the north Indian, Gangetic valley, and even those points in the south which were long centres of Islamic or British colonial existence - dominant, wealthy, trading, landed - networks. These spawn networks ruled by the mercantile mentality, where everything in life and nation is a commodity - to be sold if the appropriate price is available.

The thing is - we fail to realize that this is also the nature of similar ruling/trading interests in the territories comprising current Pakistan. So Pakistani ruling trading/landed networks are equally ready to sell off whatever they have in their life and concepts of nationhood if the appropriate price is available. This is what drives their abject guboing to the west or China or more resourceful Islamic countries. Pakistanis were the first to receive the ME memes - from Persian empire and Buddhist-Islamic times - and they showed the Paki memes [virulent iconoclastic and intolerant as well as foreign guboing] from even Buddhist times. The north Indians or GV show this to a lesser extent becuase they were exposed for a shorter period and the south shows the least simply because the Islamic filtration period was even shorter.

The problem with current love-Paki strategy is that it fails to understand the essentially mercantile nature of the Paki problem is dependent on the degree of coercion and threat of loss of profits. Indian strategy would succeed onlee if India threatens and is in a position to actually show that it damages the profits of the Paki mercantiles - physically. then the Paki elite will gubo to India too. But that means India has to show that China or USA+UK or KSA or even Iran cannot save it from Indian punitive damages.

One of the reasons Pakis have promoted and been forced to increasingly allow the Dawaists to run more and more the state role - is trying to plug this vulnerability in the paki mercantiles. Compared to that the Islamist and then the Brits influnece in north-Indian networks ensured that no such immunization using the majority faith took place.

Hence also the obvious and persistent attempt by north-Indian elite networks to delegitimize or emasculate the majority faith as having relevance for the rashtra.
svinayak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14223
Joined: 09 Feb 1999 12:31

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by svinayak »

Can you post it in GDF forum. Very good post. BJji.
shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by shiv »

KLNMurthy wrote: Keeping TSP at arm's length and hurting them on the diplomatic and propaganda fronts can teach them to get out of the master race mindset. Policies towards China and US can be discussed elsewhere.

We are getting hit no matter what we do with TSP. If India's larger goal is Indic self-development, it requires choosing to assert ourselves and to demolish the enemy--by means short of war in the case of TSP.
By concentrating on hurting Pakistan India gives Pakistan the opportunity to exploit what the UN gives it - full legitimacy as a nation state that is free to seek allies in a harsh world where a huge belligerent neighbour is bent on expansionism and hegemony. India is China to Pakistan's Tibet. By concentrating on hurting India Pakistan loses very little. To make Pakistan lose, India has to neutralise those above Pakistan.

In my view the words "demolishing the enemy" implies one enemy. I don't agree with that. An India that has to rise will find itself against China and/or the USA. Both those countries understand that rather well. But i am not sure that many Indians understand the implications of getting ready to take on the biggies.
brihaspati
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12410
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 03:25

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by brihaspati »

Actually, apart from 1971, at no other point of conflict has India shown any move or inclination to hurt Pakistan. All the other reactions were reactive, defensive and not anticipatory or pre-emptive. Pakistan was supported regardless of India's ability to hurt or not, showing inclination or not, and long before 1971 right from 1948. Pakistan was the Churchillian reptilianism of the British ruling classes in the form of insane jealousy and anger for being humiliated by the former slaves - plenty of whom had previously shown lots of guboing thereby inflating the British ego sky-high.

Pakistan was planned as imperialist retaliation on India, and has been maintained as such since 1930's - not any protective gesture for Indian aggression. The main driver of Paki hatred and genocidal Dobermannianship against India has been the constant nurturing of the same by the British state and secret services and the political class. Americans are more concerned about those they consider their mortal enemies in the game of retaining dominance over the global financial capital extraction process - their friends actually, like Europeans or the Chinese and even the British. India-Pakistan is a side game for them that must be subordinated to the big-picture of systematically undermining potential imperial threats without having to lose too many American boys overseas.

For the British ruling class - India-Pakistan is at the heart of their national identity - the last and onlee trailer end of the moth eaten game and sepia-toned movie called "rule Britannia". Sinking of Pakistan means that last hound in the hunting pack of the senile British landlord gives up its ghost. It is british interest in preserving Pakistan as a scoring point that uses every means at its disposal - including its apron strings attached to the USA. the British ruling interests work on the basis of sadism - its a near pathological end process of mercantiles not yet free from feudalism. Americans are more evolved mercantiles with profit overlooking feudal sadism when profits are large.
Anindya
BRFite
Posts: 1539
Joined: 02 Feb 2003 12:31
Location: USA

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Post by Anindya »

Re-posting the URL here - suggest that people take a few minutes to put cogent responses to Jyoti's support for the Pakistani position on Siachen

Jyoti Malhotra's article toe-ing the Pakistani line on Siachen
Post Reply