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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 12:37 
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Gen VK Singh stalled stopped BEML's 1,000 truck order in 2010
And ordered Global tender for 6x6 and 8x8 trucks.

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NEW DELHI: Bharat Earth Movers Limited (BEML), which is in the eye of the storm kicked up by the Army chief's claim about a Rs 14-crore bribe offer, was preparing to supply 1,000 Tatra trucks in 2010 when General V K Singh stalled the entire acquisition.

Sources said BEML, the Bangalore-based defence PSU, had on the assurance of the then Master General of Ordnance (MGO) of the Army in 2010, had taken "advance action" for supply of 1,000 Tatra vehicles. All these vehicles were to of 6x6 and 8x8 variants.

It is not clear if Gen Singh refused clearance after September 22, 2010, the day he was allegedly offered the bribe by Lt Gen Tejinder Singh on behalf of Tatra.

Tatra truck purchases are usually sent by MGO directly to the ministry of defence (MoD), BEML later pointed out to the MoD. But in 2010, the Army chief had asked for the Tatra file and put the acquisition on hold.
Instead, the Army moved a proposal to the Defence Acquisition Council, headed by defence minister A K Antony, for a competitive global tender for the purchase of 6x6 and 8x8 trucks.

The last order for Tatra trucks were placed with BEML in March, 2010, a few days before Gen VK Singh took over as the Army chief on March 31. The last order was for 788 vehicles out a total projected requirement of 3,296.


While the last order was placed by MGO Lt Gen Vinay Sharma, his successor told the BEML that there was no requirement for new vehicles to be acquired from revenue budget.

The Army is presently processing the global competitive tender, which could take several months to complete.

The forces' stand on Tatra acquisition would be a key component of the ongoing CBI probe into Gen Singh's allegation that he was offered Rs 14 crore bribe for clearing the purchase of Tatra trucks.

While many of the documents related to Tatra deal - from the Army HQ, MoD and BEML - have been handed over to the CBI, indications are that the agency is yet to get any 'breakthrough' documents to show corruption trail in the Tatra deal.

CBI officials would be meeting with Gen Singh, who was away in Punjab on Friday, for collecting further clarification to his written complaint about the bribe offer.


Iteresting bit is there that MGO sends proposal directly to MOD. COAS is not in the picture. VKScalled for the file and asked for Global tender in DAC. He inadvertantly stepped into the 'Gravy Train' which got delayed and might get eventually derailed.

Last order was in 2010 before VKS took over.


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 18:48 
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As Gen VKS is being shunted out on the manufactured DoB by Man mohan, Antony on the orders of 2G --> The next step of the game is being put into action.

Next two years are going to be very dangerous for India, even during the last few months of the UPA I, Man mohan managed to get the 123 fiasco through. Wonder what will be the list this time? Reservations in armed forces, dilution of AFSPA, what else?


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 19:44 
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Manmohan Singh is He is really the Man he is, he is must step down from the PM ship owing moral responsibilities for all the scams and fiascos. I wonder how he sleeps in night when he is told that soldiers dont have sufficient ammunition to last 2 days and we have 2 trouble making nations we have fought 6 wars in last 6 and half decades. I really ask him what makes him go to sleep in night? Please advise.


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Manmohan Singh is He is really the Man he is, he is must step down from the PM ship owing moral responsibilities for all the scams and fiascos. I wonder how he sleeps in night when he is told that soldiers dont have sufficient ammunition to last 2 days and we have 2 trouble making nations we have fought 6 wars in last 6 and half decades. I really ask him what makes him go to sleep in night? Please advise.


IMHO I would prefer these 2 "good " men - PM and DM to stay on course till the end of this regime for the precisely the above reason.
Want more scams to be unearthed. Investigations will be launched if it comes to their notice(however late or by default).
At least they do not stop it irrespective of the outcome.
If any other wily politician comes to power, the leaks will be suppressed and we will never know of it again to the detriment of the nation.
Better to know and whine and not know at all. :(( :((


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 22:01 
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Altair wrote:
Manmohan Singh is He is really the Man he is, he is must step down from the PM ship owing moral responsibilities for all the scams and fiascos. I wonder how he sleeps in night when he is told that soldiers dont have sufficient ammunition to last 2 days and we have 2 trouble making nations we have fought 6 wars in last 6 and half decades. I really ask him what makes him go to sleep in night? Please advise.


Jesus holy Christ man! You want Dr. Singh to step down because soldiers only have two days worth of ammunition in the front lines? That poor olde man is trying to fight poverty, illiteracy, infrastructure latency, and corruption in the government while boosting the Indian economy into a global powerhouse. Leave the sabre rattling to Pakistan because if they start shit, the IN can blockade Karachi and the entire paki forces will bring to a halt in a week or so and then India can waste the MotherF*****s, Samuel L Jacskson style.


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 22:22 
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Altair wrote:
I wonder how he sleeps in night when he is told that soldiers dont have sufficient ammunition to last 2 days and we have 2 trouble making nations we have fought 6 wars in last 6 and half decades. I really ask him what makes him go to sleep in night? Please advise.


He is known to lose sleep only when next of kin of terrorists and their sympathizers are effected.

Otherwise his sleep is not disturbed. On the night when Rajbala was beaten to death by Delhi Police as a part of police brutality to break up Baba Ramdev's satyagrah at 1 PM at night, we are told that Man mohan had retired after a hard days work at 8 PM.


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 22:35 
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Sanku wrote:
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I wonder how he sleeps in night when he is told that soldiers dont have sufficient ammunition to last 2 days and we have 2 trouble making nations we have fought 6 wars in last 6 and half decades. I really ask him what makes him go to sleep in night? Please advise.


He is known to lose sleep only when next of kin of terrorists and their sympathizers are effected.

Otherwise his sleep is not disturbed. On the night when Rajbala was beaten to death by Delhi Police as a part of police brutality to break up Baba Ramdev's satyagrah at 1 PM at night, we are told that Man mohan had retired after a hard days work at 8 PM.


Did Indra Gandhi lose any sleep when blue star happened? Did Vajpayee lose any sleep when the Hindus and Muslims started to slaughter each other? Just because Manmohan Singh is trying to keep the fragile peace with a trigger happy nation does not make him the devil. No commander can sleep at night when they know they have sent their men to the abyss, and he doesn't want to send the entire Republic of India to war against the Madrasa educated idiots who hold the button to unleash nuclear hell.

Anyways, if we want to continue political banter, we should do it somewhere else.


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 22:49 
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That poor olde man is trying to fight poverty, illiteracy, infrastructure latency, and corruption in the government while boosting the Indian economy into a global powerhouse.

If that is your sense of humor I am not amused. Our economy has slowed down considerably in case you have not noticed. Our Armed forces are weaker. There is a bigger list but it is OT here. I am only rising here because IA appears weaker under MMS leadership. Any self respecting man would hang his head in shame and put papers.


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 23:17 
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Altair wrote:
Gurinder P wrote:
That poor olde man is trying to fight poverty, illiteracy, infrastructure latency, and corruption in the government while boosting the Indian economy into a global powerhouse.

If that is your sense of humor I am not amused. Our economy has slowed down considerably in case you have not noticed. Our Armed forces are weaker. There is a bigger list but it is OT here. I am only rising here because IA appears weaker under MMS leadership. Any self respecting man would hang his head in shame and put papers.


For a long time when Man mohan's blatant acts of omission and commissions which went against Indian interests were put out, the sort of saving grace argument used to be "look he has still not hurt our conventional military power after all other aspects are tenuous but a strong military even without nukes is what counts" and "he is a politician like any other"

I am glad that even that misplaced hope (born out of desperation) is now exposed. The first step of fixing issues is being aware of them.


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 23:33 
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Altair wrote:
Gurinder P wrote:
That poor olde man is trying to fight poverty, illiteracy, infrastructure latency, and corruption in the government while boosting the Indian economy into a global powerhouse.

If that is your sense of humor I am not amused. Our economy has slowed down considerably in case you have not noticed. Our Armed forces are weaker. There is a bigger list but it is OT here. I am only rising here because IA appears weaker under MMS leadership. Any self respecting man would hang his head in shame and put papers.


That's pure unadulterated BS. All the nations in the world are in an economic slump of sorts, but India and China are still growing. As for the forces, what do you call the $12 billion MMRCA contract? Or the IN just inducting the Akula this month and the Vikramaditya coming this year? The forces have been growing and they are being modernized and the training is becoming world class since India has been shed in brighter colors this past decade thus allowing the forces to train with western nations plus Pakistan has been seen as a backstabbing nation. Don't blame the entire problems of the nation on one man, just because you do not like him. And I am not being humorous when I say this.


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 23:39 
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Akula and Vikrmaditya were signed on during NDA, ditto for MMRCA etc etc.

We should just be glad that Man mohan did not actively work to over turn those, like he overturned 60 years of autonomy in nuclear space.

In any case this government has dragged its feet everywhere it could w.r.t. arming India. Its a miracle that even some things went through being stopped.


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 23:45 
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NDA also isolated India by detonating the nuclear bomb(s). And it was this government that went ahead with refinancing Vikramiditya, closing the MMRCA and getting the Akula. And the government is taking its time in precurement because it does not want a repeat of the bofors thus leaving the navy and air force gimped like the army. Maybe if foreign vendors and Indian politicians weren't so greedy, the army would have its artillery and the airforce could have shed its flying coffins since the 90's but I do remember it was Manmohan Singhs economic policies that saved India from economic collapse in the 90's.


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 23:46 
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Sanku wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:


As Gen VKS is being shunted out on the manufactured DoB by Man mohan, Antony on the orders of 2G --> The next step of the game is being put into action.

Next two years are going to be very dangerous for India, even during the last few months of the UPA I, Man mohan managed to get the 123 fiasco through. Wonder what will be the list this time? Reservations in armed forces, dilution of AFSPA, what else?


Paki FDI in the Indian defence sector??


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Gurinder P wrote:
NDA also isolated India by detonating the nuclear bomb(s). And it was this government that went ahead with refinancing Vikramiditya, closing the MMRCA and getting the Akula


I see another one who thinks India should "stay in its place" and support those who actively work in keeping India "in its place"


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chetak wrote:
Sanku wrote:
As Gen VKS is being shunted out on the manufactured DoB by Man mohan, Antony on the orders of 2G --> The next step of the game is being put into action.

Next two years are going to be very dangerous for India, even during the last few months of the UPA I, Man mohan managed to get the 123 fiasco through. Wonder what will be the list this time? Reservations in armed forces, dilution of AFSPA, what else?


Paki FDI in the Indian defence sector??


Good catch, yes Paki FDI too.


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 23:54 
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Gurinder P wrote:
That's pure unadulterated BS.

Please dont confuse yours with mine.


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 23:55 
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Sanku wrote:
Gurinder P wrote:
NDA also isolated India by detonating the nuclear bomb(s). And it was this government that went ahead with refinancing Vikramiditya, closing the MMRCA and getting the Akula


I see another one who thinks India should "stay in its place" and support those who actively work in keeping India "in its place"


If you want to be a war mongerer, be my guest. But the battles of this century will be faught in the stock house not likely on the battlefield, especially when it concerns china.


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2012 23:56 
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Altair wrote:
Gurinder P wrote:
That's pure unadulterated BS.

Please dont confuse yours with mine.


I'm sorry that you are confused, that it required to you to confuse the bs in your statement into thinking my counter argument was laden with bs.


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PostPosted: 15 Apr 2012 00:03 
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If you want to be a war mongerer, be my guest. But the battles of this century will be faught in the stock house not likely on the battlefield, especially when it concerns china.

Gurinder P, do not derail discussion by posting inane stuff. There is no substitute for capability (economy as well as military).


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PostPosted: 15 Apr 2012 00:15 
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If you want to be a war mongerer, be my guest. But the battles of this century will be faught in the stock house not likely on the battlefield, especially when it concerns china.

Gurinder P, do not derail discussion by posting inane stuff. There is no substitute for capability (economy as well as military).


Tell me, if their is no economy, how can soldiers be fed? How can new equipment be purchased? When two regional powers go head to head, it will primarily be through economics, like the USA vs USSR. The world thought the two would start ww3 but the fight was pure economics. My theory is going to be this:

1) Pakistan is not India's major threat, due to that country is crumbling in on itself and the security of it's nuclear stockpile coming into question.

2) the sun is setting on the American Empire and it is rising over China and India. Therefore I believe these two nations will aggressively start building their armed forces and the clear winner will be the nation that doesn't go bankrupt doing so


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