Bharat Rakshak

Difference of 10 might be a deal breaker for you but no one in the MoD or the armed forces see it as a wastage of resources by HAL, so do explain in detail why you are sticking with that thought.



Instead of giving such one liners do tell about the thought process that went into reaching this conclusion.

SRai,et al,the French have developed a new torpedo that does exactly what some have been asking for,but for a different reason.Their super-torp has massive hours of endurance,because the development of soft kill countermeasures has been so effective that a torpedo might be seduced a few times to miss the target,but with the new endurance parameters,can circle,attack again and again until the target is hit,rather like two players at the French Open each waiting to outlast the other! This has also brought into the spectrum of anti-torp weapon systems several new hard-kill options to defeat such intelligent torpedoes.Mini-anti-torp torps,saturation attack by Russian MBUs,etc.This is perhaps the most exciting and challenging aspect of naval warfare today.

Andy B, a good Navy always tries to achieve Sea Control, that allows usage of the sea for any purpose militarily or economically for the benefit of the nation. For example, drilling for oil offshore of Vietnam. For sea control, one needs reach and presence. In simple terms, going there and staying there. Staying power is defined as endurance and ability to fight it out across a broad spectrum of threats.

On the Eastern seas, the Arihant and Chakra submarines along with VLS equipped Ranvir/Ranvijay and Prithvi equipped OPVs will project power afar. The Shivaliks will provide multi-functional capabilities like ASW and Fleet AD. The Kukhri/Kora will defend our Island territories and scout for the main fleet.

On the Western seas, the OPVs will protect SLOC. The Sindhu's/Talwar's and their land attack Klubs will enable power projection over land. The Vikramaditya will provide mobile protection to the fleet. The Godavaris/Brahmaputras/T209s will provide significant ASW capabilities. The Delhi's will provide fleet air defence. Missile boats will scout and attack whenever needed.

Amphibious capabilities exist on both coasts. Logistics are doubled with 4 tankers in service.

The launcher system can accommodate Brahmos but it likely require some software level integration.


If travels too slow a vessel armed with RPK-8 should be able to travel parallel and intercept them before they do any harm.

INS Satpura

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Beautiful pic of the INS Satpura AbhiJ! It will give us an excellent opportunity to examine her range of sensors,worth listing out and comparing with the Shivalik and Talwars.

AbhiJ
Please put a smaller pic. The big pic is screwing the page alignment.
Thanks

Newb question. Why is the radar tilted on the Satputra?

Transition to Truimph - History of the Indian Navy 1965-1975
By - GM Hiranandani Vice Admiral (Retd)

Nausena.nic.in

Just ran across this while twiddling thumbs. A simple search of the boards did not find this. Hopefully this is not a duplicate post.
Still reading it, but touches construction of the Nilgiri class at MDL and the 1965 war.

An update to the end-of-March explosion on Vikramaditya. Exaust pipe of one of the boilers has been damaged. The boiler and turbocharger itself are operational. The repair process is desribed as not complicated but meticulous, will start as soon as the producer of boilers will deliver new tubing compensators to Sevmash. Probably the sea trials will be started running on just 7 boilers. We'll see.

With the unqualified success of A-V,and the comments about "mastering underwater launch by an admiral",the stage is now set for tweaking the A-V into an operational ICBM for our SSBMs.A-Vs length has been given as 17m.The diameter of the ATV-1 has been given as "15m",and there is virtually no discernible "hump" ,or "turtleback" on ATV-1,which indicates that a larger missile can be carrried by fitting a larger silo to the ATV.A "12,000t" version is hinted at in the future too.From the pics of the A-V-and we must await official confirmation of its dimensions,the diameter appears to be between 2-2.4m,easily carried by the ATV series of SSBMs and perhaps can even fit into ATV-1s existing silos if the length is a trifle shorter.Being solid-fuelled,A-V can very easily be now refined into becoming our first true sub-launched ICBM with a range of not less than 5000km.If it can be extended to about 8000km,with MIRVs,then we would've truly arrived a full-fledged N-power.With at least 3 warheads per missile along with several decoys too,an SSBM carrying 12-16 A-Vs would give us upto 50 warheads.What we now need to determine is how many SSBMs we need todeter the Chinese,the Pakis and their cronies like NoKo and the Saudis (Paki godfather),who already possess Chinese BMs and most probably Paki N-weapons in the basement.

Though there is little requirement for a missile that can reach the US or the farthest parts of Western Europe for example,as we have no issues with the democracies,a longer ranged sub-launched ICBM would allow our SSBMs a far wider area of ocean in which to conceal themselves,making it even greater for the PRC to detect and track,thus dramatically increasing the survivability of the most important leg of our strategic deterrent.Our main rival for the next century and beyond is China.China shares nothingwith any nation on an equal footing,it wants only servitude from the nations of Asia.India thus cannot allow our guard to drop even for a a moment and we have to show the Chinese that militarily,we are their equal,if not technologically in certain areas their superior.There is a lot of catching up to do,but the success of the A-V launch is a true "game-changer" as many of our scientists and defence analysts have said.On with the sub-launched A-V!

Big V heading for de-Gaussing. Best ever side view I've seen so far.

Some time back, There was a news posted here about an explosion aboard INS Vikramaditya. Any further details about that???

Yes. If you would look three posts above.
It was boiler No.4. The exhaust pipe was dislocated and tubing compensator damaged, some control equipment dislodged as well. Most probable cause - exaust pipe wasn't properly ventilated prior to engaging the boiler, causing explosion of fuel condensate.

This is the first time I am hearing about the 16 x "Coastal" anti-submarine vessels. These could be the follow on to P-28 ASW corvettes but smaller in the 1,000t - 1,500t class. As the 45-potential order list does not include P-28A, it can be assumed that the IN has decided to go with smaller and cheaper ASW vessels. But it could also be the 16 x ASW vessels are in fact the follow-on to the P-28 series (2,500t class).

In any case, this will be huge boost to the IN's surface anti-submarine capability by 2025:

• 20 x ASW Corvettes -> 4 x P-28, 16 x coastal ASW vessels
• 19 x FFG -> 6 x Kirvak.III, 10 x P-17/A, 3 x P-16A
• 10 x DDG -> 10 x P-15/A/B

Total ASW capable surface ships (2025): 49

These are the "Janta" class follow ons to the Abhay class corvettes.

Ah, Thanks!

Found these in the old thread from last year regarding the "Janta" class:

its almost certain ADS2 will be in 55,000t weight category - same as varyag and CVF size, and that we will probably take up rafale-M and E2-D with catapult system...probably even EM cats if things go well.

I’m not sure why members are calling it Janta class.

Let us understand DE submarines like Pakistani Agosta and Chinese EKM877 copies

They travel 10 knots on surface, 20 knots submerged just under the surface using diesel engines and snorkel, and 4-6 knots truly submerged using batteries. Range in the last mode is barely 300-500 nm before batteries need to be recharged.

So a DE submarine sprints and ambushes. In 1971, the PNS Hangor had multiple ambush zones on the West Coast of India. She was first off Bombay, but when the main fleet departed, she moved off Gujarat coast with the (correct) assumption that the Petya and Osa boats would need refueling there, where she encountered Kukhri and Kirpan.

http://indiannavy.nic.in/t2t2e/Trans2Tr ... ps_enc.htm
Bravo Zones were seas around Bombay. Mike Madras Victor Vizag

It is very difficult for a DE submarine to chase a fleet at high seas because it simply cannot keep up. During WW2, German U Boats set up ambush zones in the Atlantic guided by HQ. However, they simply didn’t have the endurance to chase convoys.

Now the Janta class with patrol exactly these areas where submarine ambushes are expected.

1. Janta class is Water Jet propelled, so will have high speeds of 35 knots & short reaction time and will be able to sprint to areas wherever enemy submarines have been detected. Same water jets powering TFTA LCS.

2. It will have greater endurance than ASW helicopters that need to depart after X hours and MPA that need to depart after XX hours.

3. Janta class will be low cost, enabling greater numbers to be built.

4. A submarine commander will pause before firing an expensive DM2A4 torpedo at a cheap Janta class.

5. Janta class with its high speed can maintain a safe separation distance from any enemy torpedo

6. Full sensor suite

7. Even the latest ASW HWT at 50 knots gives an enemy submarine enough time to detect and launch countermeasures to seduce torpedoes away. Janta class will race in at 35 knots atop the enemy submarine and blast it with RPK-8 system that cannot be jammed. Or it can launch TAL at close ranges giving enemy submarine lesser time to react.

Janta class, like the Gurkha and his Kukhri, packs a lot of punch in a small package. Call it Gurkha class.

INS Vikramaditya update:
http://www.sevmash.ru/eng/news/419-0904

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Folks might remember my plea for the Janata class ASWs a long time ago-replacements for the Pauk.If they can also possess a flight deck (no hangar),which can operate a small ASW helo or UAV,triangulation of the sub-surface contact can be better achieved.TSarkar has well described the kind of sensors and weaponry that the class could carry,and the absence of a BPDMS system like Barak would allow more dedicated ASW weaponry aboard.If like the Pauk it carries a stern-mounted modular TAS/VDS,coupled with high speed (35-40kts,remember that the Pauks have the same hulls the Tarantula missile boats),these craft could be extremely valuable in sanitising our main naval bases and key ports allowing the larger surface vessels to concentrate upon command of the high seas.If our new minesweepers,which will possess excellent sonars too,are also kitted out/can be kitted out for emergency use as ASW vessels,we would have more than 24 coastal ASW assets apart from the larger frigates etc.

PS:In fact if the same hull is also used to build Coast Guard cutters,these craft too could be roped in during a crisis for ASW duties (with fitted for but not installed,lightweight ASW TTs,etc.,) just as our OPVs have other capabilities like launching Dhanush.

maybe a P28 or similar ship could provide a helicopter or two to command and lead a swarm of Janata class ships. a MCM ship in the swarm might also help.

India should park a floating base just outside the EZ of TSP. Even a 8 week period is good enough.

Some pictures and details on Talwar/Teg on this blog

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-163.html

Singha, Philip, I speculate the Janata class will be very similar to the GRSE WJFAC & GSL XFPV, with an increase in displacement, and maybe a fourth diesel and waterjet to account for the increased weight. And it can be built rapidly like the IN and ICG FPVs.

OT - the blue car in Austin's link is a Logan, that is a best seller from Renault in Russia and Eastern Europe and whose manufacture is outsourced to Mahindra.

New INS Vikrant - April 2012 pics:

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http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/5245 ... 55356f.jpg

The construction has stopped since the hull was floated out

The ship is supposed to be built in a modular manner. This means there are other parts being built separately and will be integrated to the main when ready. Also, there must be tons of work going on internally - cabling, pipes, engine installation, fittings, etc.

Galleries of pictures from Rediff on two exercises being conducted by Indian navy

Tropex-2012 (theatre-level readiness and operational exercise)

Indo-US naval exercise -Malabar

Very detailed videos on the Krivak.III class (i.e. Talwar class) [in Russian]. It shows both external and internal of the ship. For each weapon type, it shows where it's located, how it's stored internally, its guidance radar, its control stations and live firings.

India-Japan defence talks are on and in future JVs in certain areas...

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2012/04/i ... on-in.html

IN is evaluating the Shin Meiwa US-2 long range 4-engine seaplane for military logistical tasks.

I say its the ideal plane for our island territories and coast guard's LR surveillance needs. even MARCOS units could add this as a long range strike asset like paras got C130J.....I see the makings of a good alistair mclean novel here, in the island chains around the south china sea...."south north by java head" or "to the shores of bandar seri bagawan"

This is an interesting buy for more than one reason.

Although I do hope that India considers the A-40 Albatross as well. Given that we are pretty much preparing for peer-peer warfare, the A-40 would be in line with all the other badass developments we are seeing or will be seeing shortly.