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PostPosted: 22 Apr 2012 11:42 
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IOC-2 update on tarmak


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PostPosted: 23 Apr 2012 12:20 
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30 flights in march is good


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PostPosted: 24 Apr 2012 18:32 
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*Flash* : LCA Navy Gets Ready For Take-Off, Successfully Completes High Speed Taxi Runs!!

her plog ijj now bious. 400% behind purqa aphter vijit to Azaad Cashmere


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PostPosted: 25 Apr 2012 11:21 
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Naval Tejas , successfully completed last high speed taxi trials yesterday and NP-1 has been cleared for its first flight . as per sources today will be the day the first flight likely to be carried out .

after issues with undercarriage and Landing gears , problems seems to be sorted out by ADA and HAL and it was certified airworthy recently , it was twice in recent times flight worthy certification was denied to it .


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PostPosted: 25 Apr 2012 12:15 
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^^^ http://idrw.org/?p=10931#more-10931

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PostPosted: 25 Apr 2012 13:25 
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strange that tarmac not reporting anything about the NP1 flight even though being based in Bangalore


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PostPosted: 25 Apr 2012 13:27 
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Flight test update

LCA-Tejas has completed 1835 Test Flights successfully. (21-April-2012).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-221,PV3-339,LSP1-74,LSP2-206,PV5-36,LSP3-48,LSP4-49,LSP5-80,LSP7-2)

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LCA-Tejas has completed 1830 Test Flights successfully. (16-April-2012).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-220,PV3-338,LSP1-73,LSP2-205,PV5-36,LSP3-47,LSP4-49,LSP5-80,LSP7-2)

Wishing all the very best for NP-1 successful test flight. :D


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PostPosted: 25 Apr 2012 13:50 
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SagarAg wrote:
Wishing all the very best for NP-1 successful test flight. :D


Overcast outside. Clouds thunder and rain predicted for Bangalore for next 4 days :(


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PostPosted: 25 Apr 2012 14:04 
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shiv wrote:
SagarAg wrote:
Wishing all the very best for NP-1 successful test flight. :D


Overcast outside. Clouds thunder and rain predicted for Bangalore for next 4 days :(


And here I already started preparing myself for mithai. :((


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PostPosted: 25 Apr 2012 23:36 
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shiv wrote:
SagarAg wrote:
Wishing all the very best for NP-1 successful test flight. :D


Overcast outside. Clouds thunder and rain predicted for Bangalore for next 4 days :(

perfect weather for NP-1 for a test flight under exact sea conditions, no? :twisted:


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PostPosted: 25 Apr 2012 23:38 
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Ah..this explains why HT on its news channel was mentioning the nlca flight planned for today in the morning and took off that ticker later in the day.


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Bluru is bad for LCA testing :( we lost last monsoon

Btw when is LCA Navy going to be given a name, AFAIK Tejas was for the AF variant


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 02:52 
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LCA naval variant’s first flight on Friday

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After almost two years since its rollout, the naval prototype (NP-1) of the country’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) will take to the skies on its maiden flight this Friday.

The flight is slated for 10 am. But it will fly with some unresolved problems. The maiden flight, however, does not mean the team LCA has overcome all the technical glitches that had forced it to miss several deadlines in the past.

The Centre for Military Airworthiness & Certification (CEMILAC), sometime last week, gave its clearance for High Speed Taxi Trial (HSTT) and flight.

The flight will last 20 minutes with the National Flight Test Center (NFTC) pilots doing a sortie over a designated flight path besides testing the systems onboard for performance.

But they will not retract the undercarriage, as they do not want to take a chance. “It is potentially risky to retract it,” a source said, indicating that there are some problems still persistent. Isn't that the SOP for all first flights?The undercarriage is retracted to reduce the drag experienced by aircraft.

Compared to Tejas, the IAF version of LCA, the LCA NP-1 will be different with a longer and stronger gear, front fuselage droop for better over-the-nose vision, an additional control surface to reduce carrier landing speed and consequential changes in various systems and will fly with a GE-F404-IN20 engine.

Designed specifically for ski jump take-off and arrested landing, the aircraft was faced with heavy undercarriage problem, which sources fear might not have been addressed completely. The undercarriage was bulkier by 500 kg.

The aircraft is likely to replace Indian Navy’s Sea Harrier squadron, and already orders for six aircraft have been placed. While the NP-1 is a twin-seater trainer, the NP-2 will be a single-seat fighter.


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 02:59 
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“It is potentially risky to retract it,” a source said, indicating that there are some problems still persistent

On the contrary, not wanting to retract it is simply a routine risk reduction exercise. The F-22 story:

Advanced Tactical Fighter to F-22 Raptor: Origins of the 21st Century Air Dominance Fighter
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Landing gear retraction was not attempted on the first flight but did not work when it was attempted on subsequent flights. <snip> A successful gear retraction was accomplished on the fifth flight.


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So, on the testing.. is it not possible do rectraction testing while the fighter is in the state of flying (fixed to some hangar support and bolted down, raised up).. perhaps the engine is throttled for 200kmph creating near real simulations.

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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 04:27 
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So, on the testing.. is it not possible do rectraction testing while the fighter is in the state of flying (fixed to some hangar support and bolted down, raised up).. perhaps the engine is throttled for 200kmph creating near real simulations.

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They would have already done that - simulations in the research & design phase and then during & after development on a static test jig and on the LCA platform. But this is not the same as testing on an actual platform flying at xx knots for the first time. There are a host of other factors that will come into play. Besides for the first flight, more important is that the NLCA flies (aerodynamics w/ FBW etc) and if risks can be mitigated by not retracting the landing gears then that should be done.


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srai wrote:
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So, on the testing.. is it not possible do rectraction testing while the fighter is in the state of flying (fixed to some hangar support and bolted down, raised up).. perhaps the engine is throttled for 200kmph creating near real simulations.

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They would have already done that - simulations in the research & design phase and then during & after development on a static test jig and on the LCA platform. But this is not the same as testing on an actual platform flying at xx knots for the first time. There are a host of other factors that will come into play. Besides for the first flight, more important is that the NLCA flies (aerodynamics w/ FBW etc) and if risks can be mitigated by not retracting the landing gears then that should be done.


Indeed, the testing of the retraction of the landing gear is done on the Iron Bird rig. At the 2:09 mark in this video, you'll see the retracting landing gear on the Iron Bird. This would've been tested for the naval prototype's landing gear as well. Apart from that you can go to the 9:22 mark in this video to see it being done on a real Tejas prototype.

All this is done apart from the specific landing gear tests (such as drop tests shown at 9:27 in the latter video).


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“It is potentially risky to retract it,” a source said, indicating that there are some problems still persistent

On the contrary, not wanting to retract it is simply a routine risk reduction exercise.


I'm being pedantic, but its not really contrary is it? It's the same thing. Risk reduction implies reducing the chances of occurrence of something that is risky.


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 08:47 
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But there aren't any persisting problems, in all probability :)


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 09:02 
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Bluru is bad for LCA testing :( we lost last monsoon

Btw when is LCA Navy going to be given a name, AFAIK Tejas was for the AF variant


Perhaps Sea Tejas :D


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Before it snowballs, may i request that any name guessing be done in the Mil Miscellaneous thread? :)


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 10:38 
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is there any update ?


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 11:41 
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Just heard a fighter type take off- could not see through the clouds.

Edit: I "think" she took off a minute ago- the first one might have been the chase bird.


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 13:03 
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After almost two years since its rollout, the naval prototype (NP-1) of the country’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) will take to the skies on its maiden flight this Friday.

The flight is slated for 10 am.


http://www.deccanherald.com/content/244815/lca-naval-variants-first-flight.html


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 13:09 
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AbhiJ wrote:
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After almost two years since its rollout, the naval prototype (NP-1) of the country’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) will take to the skies on its maiden flight this Friday.

The flight is slated for 10 am.


http://www.deccanherald.com/content/244815/lca-naval-variants-first-flight.html


Just has to be on the day I am out of town..... What I saw today may have been a Hawk or another lsp flying.


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^^ I saw a MiG-21 flying around very noisily


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 15:08 
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Will it fly above Sarjapur area?


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WIll it fly over London?


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^^ Common Man, it will be having it's first flight tomorrow and you expect it to fly to London ??? Though it will be a dream come true for me atleast if it can do that :D


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i think it will fly to london via ulan bator and timbuktoo
definitely


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So long as it passes over Karachi on the way! :mrgreen:


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So long as it passes over Karachi on the way! :mrgreen:


And drops a single TN pataka there just for sharing the celebration of their recent successful launch of the green colored ding dong mizzile

OT discussion though :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 17:18 
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Its already flying in my mind. :D


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 20:17 
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So, on the testing.. is it not possible do rectraction testing while the fighter is in the state of flying (fixed to some hangar support and bolted down, raised up).. perhaps the engine is throttled for 200kmph creating near real simulations.

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Retraction of undercarriage is a routine maintenance practice. The aircraft is jacked up on three jacks, a hydraulic power source is connected, and the functioning of the u/c is tested. Of course the engine remains switched off during this process.


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 21:13 
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okay.. srai and abhibushan, what are the host of other factors that impede a retraction[just assuming the risk is not detailed here for the discussion, I understand the part of risk, and it is safer that way].. I am trying to understand the parameters that would play in. thx


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 21:35 
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Here's wishing the NP-1...

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A happy take-off!!

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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 22:11 
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Anybody planning on being near the NFTC for the first flight??? I am thinking of going down there and seeing the beauty take off for the first time..
Also, is this the first time that the specific time is announced publicly???


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^^Is that SBTF@INS HANSA?


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 22:54 
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Yup.. Here is the link to the article


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PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 23:05 
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I presume its going to be a take off from runway ...and not from SBTF ?? That would be too much for a first flight...


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