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PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012 16:29 
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marten, If pilferage is the main concern, then why not use govt run NPR to prevent it, it has the added benefit of being proof of citizenship. Spending thousands of crores of rupees on UID with added security risks of data being spurious doesn't make sense.


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PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012 21:38 
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Because NPR will take ten years and will not provide 100% coverage. It did not receive bids for nearly 40 circles. Why else do you think the compromise was achieved? They will reconcile the databases at some point after capturing a decent number of IDs - eliminating the impostors is easier once their biometrics have been captured and marked as illegal or non-citizen or suchlike. Using the biometric data in the right manner is definitely a governance issue. Capturing it is easier using a structured program, and then cleaning up the rolls of benefit recipients is up to good governance - the biggest difference being that UIDAI will capture it more efficiently and quicker (at 55-60, rather than 70 that NPR is expected to pay). We can use this data effectively, provided NPR and UIDAI move together. That is my hope though, time will bear out if the Govt. is indeed keen on using the program to reduce poverty and pilferage.


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PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012 21:52 
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NPR could have been fast-tracked, slow pace of work is no reason to handover essentially govt work to private firms and share sensitive citizen data with them. UID data is basically junk due to the way its collected and if NPR is forced accept that data then it too will inherit UID flaws, sabotaging the whole citizen identify scheme. Reducing poverty and pilferage under the current multi-million scamster govt is essentially a pipe-dream.


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PostPosted: 06 Mar 2012 23:58 
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UIDAI-Plan panel in a fresh row.

Row between Nandan Nilekani led Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) and the Planning Commission is not over with the former expressing its displeasure over allocation for the next financial year.

The Plan Panel had earlier objected to UIDAI’s move to collect biometric details of entire population saying it would lead to duplication of work as Home Ministry’s National Population Register (NPR) had a similar mandate.

The issue was resolved after a Cabinet Committee on UIDAI decided to split biometric collection of residents between the authority and NPR. After the Cabinet decision, plan panel deputy chairperson Montek Singh Ahluwalia had claimed that both the organizations --- UIDAI and NPR --- will work together to implement the decision.

The UIDAI has now charged the plan panel of putting a financial barrier to meet the target of enrolling additional 40 crore people by June next year.

The root of the dispute was the Plan Panel’s decision to allocate just Rs 1,750 crore to UIDAI for the financial year 2012-13. The authority had sought Rs 3,250 crore to ensure that it would be able to enroll a million people every day.

In a recent communiqué to the panel, the UIDAI had argued that the Cabinet Committee this January had approved an additional Rs 5,791 crore for the UIDAI project up to March 2017 and therefore, it should get adequate money to implement the project.

The UIDAI says the project is of vital importance to India as the government plans to replace indirect fuel and food subsidy with direct cash transfer to unique identification or Aadhaar number linked bank account of beneficiaries. Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee is expected to announce a scheme in this regard in the budget.

The plan panel is, however, not willing to buy the argument and had stuck with its initial allocation of Rs 1,750 crore. It says, if required, the unique identification authority can seek additional funding during supplementary grants decided in the winter session of Parliament.

The project aimed at providing an Aadhaar number to each resident in India by June next year would cost Rs 8,814 to the government. Of this, an allocation of Rs 3,023 crore has already been made to UIDAI.


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PostPosted: 07 Mar 2012 00:22 
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IT vendors including Accenture-NEC, L1 ID and Mahindra Satyam-Morpho lock horns with Unique ID Authority
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Biometric vendors de-duplicating Aadhaar numbers have refused to work with Unique ID Authority of India after finishing their contract, next month. The vendors were eliminating duplicate or redundant information in the Aadhaar IDs at the price of Rs 2.75 per number fixed with the agency.

The deadlock over price threatens to create an uncertainty for the second phase of enrollments, which starts post-April, for about 40 crore citizens, even as new service provider is yet to come on board and take over UIDAI's IT operations. Three consortiums, led by Accenture-NEC, L1 ID Solutions and Mahindra Satyam-Morpho, are providing the biometric de-duplication for the Aadhaar scheme for about 20 crore Indian residents.

All the IT consortiums have told the UIDAI to revise charges due to a hike in price by their biometric partners. "There are only four biometric providers present in India. All of them have hiked costs due to high imports costs, leading us to quote a price of Rs 8 per number," said an official of an existing provider.

Less than six companies in the world are capable of providing biometric solutions at a large scale, and at high quality standards. Biometric companies NEC, L1, Morpho and Cogent passed the UIDAI's biometric standard test, and were eligible to be partnered by any IT vendor. Some others had failed the standard test.

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HCL Infosystems, which has emerged as the lowest financial bidder for the managed service provider contract, has been learnt to have quoted a price of Rs 2.75 per number to the government in its bid. The MSP contract is to store data, de-duplicate and issue Aadhaar numbers for 70 crore people. "Even a price hike of 1 will mean a hit of Rs 70 crore on HCL Infosystems' balance sheet," said another IT vendor who had backed out from bidding for the MSP contract.

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HCL Infosystems doesn't have its own IP on biometrics and is learnt to have partnered with Morpho for biometrics. About 13.5 crore people have been issued Aadhaar numbers, and the rest will be issued over coming weeks. UIDAI plans to start the next phase of enrolling additional 40 crore people by June 2013, from next month.

Fwiw, HCL won the MSP bid over TCS, and the value of the MSP contract is Rs 2,200 crore.


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PostPosted: 27 Apr 2012 12:10 
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Aadhaar card scam unearthed in Hyderabad

Data point here is part about where the card could be used to obtain a passport -

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The uniqueness of Aadhaar card is inclusion of iris scan and fingerprint details in the card's micro chip. However, to include those without fingers and eyes, an option has been provided in the enrolment process, where it would be declared that the candidate does not have fingers or eyes. As Aadhaar card would not have these details printed on the card, it would become easy for the fake user to utilize the card to get essential identification documents like a passport.


Which essentially implies that the Aadhar card is also implementing a one-time amnesty scheme to regularise illegal immigrants.


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PostPosted: 27 Apr 2012 13:32 
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^How can they obtain a passport using the card? Aadhaar is not a valid document for RPOs. Plus, even if they connected the systems, would the RPO staff not verify that the applicant does indeed have fingers and eyes? Remember biometric capture is a part of RPO process as well.

The scam related to enrollment is mostly about the supervisors enabling fraud by attempting to push through a few candidates for multiple cards. The Face data will be captured as duplicates during the automated/manual deduplication process which relies on Face if the other modalities are not present. In either case, benefits would not be receivable by these folks since they cannot be verified by any other means and would require specific approval for the same.


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PostPosted: 16 May 2012 17:46 
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 159565.cms

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The Centre has fast-tracked the process to make Aadhaar numbers integral to the delivery of services under its social and welfare schemes.

The move, aimed at ensuring efficient delivery of subsidies and checking pilferages, came after the Nandan Nilekani-led Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) has already notched up an enrolment figure of about 20 crore.

The Authority is mandated to provide an Aadhaar number to all 1.2 billion Indian residents. The UIDAI has also successfully run a pilot on Aadhaar-based authentication service and transfer of funds to Aadhaar-based bank accounts.

The Planning Commission has directed all ministries and departments, including its own divisions, to ensure integration of Aadhaar in delivery of schemes.

The move will ensure the benefits of UPA flagship schemes like ICDS, MGNREGS, scholarships, PDS, old age pension and initiatives in the health sector worth around Rs two lakh crore in the current budget reach the beneficiaries.


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For implementation of Aadhaar, the state governments are required to set up a single database of all beneficiaries and then link it with an Aadhaar number. As many state governments have expressed inability to set up the data base citing financial constraints, the Authority has offered help to integrate the existing database of beneficiaries into one as a way out.

The circular sets the ball rolling for making Aadhaar applicable to all government schemes by end of next year. All Indian residents are expected to get Aadhaar by middle of 2013.


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PostPosted: 17 May 2012 13:00 
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An anecdote, if you will.

In our house in India, my Father, Mother, Guards (X2), Maid and Drivers (X2) all applied at the same time for the UID card (July 2011). Went to the same center and stood in the same line.

My wife and I did the same 3 months later on trip to Desh.

The domestics received their UID cards in 3 months Flat (post Diwali 2011). They had very sketchy documents to back up their residency claims.

I got mine last week (May 2012) (Pan Number and Land line Bill in my name as proof). My Mother Father and wife still waiting.

Most people do not accept it as an identity card and it clearly says "proof of residency, not of citizenship".

What purpose is this ultimately going to serve? It is not even helping as a proof to get a new prepaid mobile phone number in Delhi.


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PostPosted: 17 May 2012 14:49 
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^In welfare schemes, folks will not be able to use their finger/iris for more than one beneficiary account. Pilferage will reduce if implemented correctly, wouldn't you say? Think of the plan implementation in Governmental/Babu years, not human years. A delay of 6 months would be nothing in this context, if it saves even a measly 10K cr each year. :)


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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2012 09:52 
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Coriander s/o Pulao


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PostPosted: 20 Oct 2012 08:58 
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Marten wrote:
^How can they obtain a passport using the card? Aadhaar is not a valid document for RPOs. Plus, even if they connected the systems, would the RPO staff not verify that the applicant does indeed have fingers and eyes? Remember biometric capture is a part of RPO process as well.


Aadhaar ID now for passports too

Since non-citizens can get Aadhar card, I believe the stage is being set for electoral fraud in coming elections. Once a non-citizen obtains a passport, they would be able to vote in elections as well.


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PostPosted: 20 Oct 2012 15:22 
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Since non-citizens can get Aadhar card, I believe the stage is being set for electoral fraud in coming elections. Once a non-citizen obtains a passport, they would be able to vote in elections as well.

Things may be even worse. I guess this is the clarion call for the Jehadis and other terrorists to get an Aadhar card, and use it to get an Indian Passport. And then they can literally 'blast-away'. The blame would be then on India, and become an embarrassment. Other countries like Pakistan, which has a label of "Exporter of Terrorists" can let a huge sigh of relief.


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PostPosted: 20 Oct 2012 15:54 
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Marten wrote:
^In welfare schemes, folks will not be able to use their finger/iris for more than one beneficiary account. Pilferage will reduce if implemented correctly, wouldn't you say? Think of the plan implementation in Governmental/Babu years, not human years. A delay of 6 months would be nothing in this context, if it saves even a measly 10K cr each year. :)


Babu years :rotfl: Liked the term. Time required for file to travel from one table to adjacent table.


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PostPosted: 20 Oct 2012 18:38 
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 884033.cms

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Submitting photocopies of identity and address proof for opening a bank account, buying insurance or getting a mobile connection could soon be a thing of the past. Instead, it would all be there at your finger tips.

The Unique Identification Authority of India ( UIDAI) is ready with electronic know-your-customer authentication (eKYC) service which will pave the way to provide identity and address proof by just providing your fingerprints for biometric identification.

Officials said the facility of a one-touch eKYC could start as early as next month after government and other agencies, such as Reserve Bank of India (RBI), notify the new norms that explicitly provide for Aadhaar as a valid identity proof.

So, when a bank asks for your ID proof to open an account, all you will have to do is tap on a device that reads fingerprints and the information will be transmitted electronically in an encrypted form. The front desk will receive a message saying that the information has been received and has matched with the data available, explained an official.


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PostPosted: 09 Feb 2013 09:41 
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Headlines Today exposes UID fraud in Delhi

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/head ... 70400.html

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The unique identification (UID) number was supposed to be the most secure identity card for Indian citizens. However, a Headlines Today special investigation has revealed that security is being compromised in issuing the UID cards.

The authorities concerned have not been verifying the identity and residence proofs of the UID card seekers. Ironically, Delhi's MPs and MLAs have been handing out the necessary documents for the UID blindly.

Headlines Today special investigation team found that the identity proofs were being handed out without any verification at West Delhi MP Mahabal Mishra's residence.

Headlines Today's undercover reporter was asked for his address only verbally and it was put on Mishra's printed letterhead. No one bothered to check if the address was genuine.

The letter was stamped and Mishra's signature forged by the person issuing it. The letter was enough for Headlines Today's undercover reporter to get his UID made.

It is standard procedure that if someone does not have a valid residence or identity proof, he or she can get it from the local registrar. However, local MPs and MLAs have been compromising national security by issuing identity proofs without any checks to woo the voters.

Scene at MLA Jaikishan's residence
Headlines Today visited the residence of MLA from Delhi's Sultanpur constitution -- Jaikishan -- and found a long queue of people waiting to get their forms signed. Shockingly, the printed forms on Jaikishan's letterheads were being sold for Rs.2 each by a vendor.

However, the twist was yet to come. The MLA was not even present at his residence when the forms were being signed. His staff were seen signing forms on behalf of the MLA and putting stamps without even asking the credentials of the applicant.


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PostPosted: 26 Feb 2013 04:35 
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A very shaky Aadhaar: http://www.niticentral.com/2013/02/24/a ... 49542.html
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In my own case I never got to hand in my registration form that morning because the centre closed before I could, so I went back the next day and to my surprise found the centre closed. When I asked why it was closed, two women officials said that the next date for accepting forms would be on Sunday at 10 am. Nobody explained why and so ended my fourth visit to this Aadhaar centre without having been able to take the first step towards getting my unique identification number. If my own experience is anything to go by, it could take another two decades to register a billion Indians and by then people will have stopped wondering what the purpose of the scheme was in the first place.


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PostPosted: 01 Mar 2013 08:08 
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I am convinced that Indians can and will defeat any system through their dishonest attitude.


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PostPosted: 01 Mar 2013 08:13 
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SSji,

The rot started when people of some communities complained that they do not have ration cards or any other identification documents. So it was recommended that they can get a signed affidavit from local MLA or gazetted officer or something like that.

Thus we created a scenario where real IDs are issued based on fake IDs.

I proposed a better approach a long time ago. Unfortunately the Neelekanis of this world are stupider than some random Internet-warriors....


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PostPosted: 01 Mar 2013 10:02 
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So it was recommended that they can get a signed affidavit from local MLA or gazetted officer or something like that.

If I remember it right, this was the case especially with Bangaldeshi illegal immigrants (who naturally are from "a specific communty"). The MLAs would give affidavit to any one, provided the vote comes to him. And if I am not mistaken the Passport authorities clearly said that this Aadhar-Vaadhar card would not be a proof for Passport applications. Passports would be issued in the current fashion, with a mandatory police verification.


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PostPosted: 03 Mar 2013 05:37 
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UID not must to register vehicles

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Petitioner had argued that UID cards are unconstitutional and have no legal sanctity as the National Identification Authority of India Bill-2010 is pending in Parliament.


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