Bharat Rakshak

Shiv-saar,

1) why should a circus owner change the rules of recruitment into his circus, if he actually needs folks from other communities for sideshows at the same time have a system for pretty people from his community to "manage" the rings, frontdesk and accounts? The pyramid is owned by them and their types rule the other higher bands.

eg: despite yehudi-birathers of the ashkenazi background hogging all pure science prizes, they are not changing the system. As long as the yehudi birathers work within the system for their benefit, why do the pyramid controllers care about the dominance in awards of such poor birathers hunched up over the years in front of books?

As I mentioned earlier, this spelling bee is a narrow band in a pyramid of creative writing. From publishers to critics to distro to award committees to PR lawyers, the other bands are far more influential to pose any challenge from these ill-looking Indian origin kids and their unhappy parents (only a tiny, tiny percent reaches stardom). We need kids that publish stuff, whenever they sneeze.

2) That changing goal-post happens a lot in HDI area, for obvious reasons: cheesed off voters in Chattanooga wondering why their poverty rate is higher than an ugly country in the third world. In this case, the Shield of Budweiser protects Joe-sixpaki from Spelling Bee's influences.

Scandinavians especially need the HDI v!agra to feel erect amongst nations. Especially since their barbaric past and barbaric recent past (Romanos).

Meanwhile some news straight out of Hannibal franchise:
Witness says naked attacker was chewing man's face

Instead of shooting to kill, I wonder what prevented the cop from taking him down and arresting him for questioning? Fear? Too much X-files as a kid? Or he could not attend the seminar circuit of the Lt John Pike? Maybe he thought zombie movie axiom of "double-tap" is law of his country?

Sam Bahadur at his best!

Jai Hind!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvDjHcTe ... age#t=162s

hnair sir, I believe things will get a tad hostile if indic origin kids start to crowd out the chosen in ivy league financial schools and then onto the plum NYC/chicago/boston financial houses. but then selection into these money mills is not just based on test scores or CGPA, but on interviews and the 'right' people will always have a discreet advantage there.

here and there , for sake of diversity and emerging market psyops they will let people in, but never allow to dominate.

Regardless of the merit or usefulness of winning spelling bees, it is a useful thing for the Indian community and Indians in general. I once read some Indo-Canadian who said that till the 1970s, Canadian textbooks said East Indians are lazy because of the hot climate and are poor because of cultural factors etc.

Winning contests like these puts one more dent in the whiteman's supremacy belief. Suppose, if Indians were not at all interested in winning spelling bees and there was not a single desi kid winning. These same goras who are now saying winning a spelling bee is no big deal who be saying that the fact Indians don't win, shows that their protein starved brains can't handle memorizing/ understanding English blah blah blah.

Of course as Singha has said, as Indians move even more up the ladder, from upper-middle class/professional to actual positions of power and influence there is going to be friction. Be ready for crap on caste, women blah blah blah.

Colonial narrative of India was the only view point in most of the west. Even now those view are prevelant in the books and reports.

As if this is not already happening. Anglos have a peculiar tendency to insult those races/groups they are threatened by. In the 80s it was the Japanese, in the 90s it was the Chinese, and now it is us.

abhischekcc, the main difference with Japanese/Chinese and us is that the Indian government, and our elites both in India and abroad are also against us.

We only have Ranjan Zed

I mean, how many of our emerging elites in US have the right attitude. I read on Harvard (or maybe Yale's, either way) site that the Hindu students who had organized the Diwali festival as part of the "South Asian club" changed the name to something else to make it "more secular".

This was from the early 2000s. They seemed to be 2nd gen undergrads. And these ppl are now probably our "elites"/self-appointed community leaders. I can only hope they have more sense now. This is how deep our rot is.

I finally got to watch this event.

Top 10 were 1 girl and 9 boys. The girl was Indian, and so were six of the nine boys, the rest being two white kids and one Chinese.

The girl had a Punjabi last name. Unfortunately, she couldn't answer one of the only two questions in the event that I knew the answer to, i.e. she didn't ID the Harmandir Sahib from an aerial photo. She and the white kids got eliminated early. The Chinese kid held on for a little longer, but by the time it got to top 4, it was all Indians.

Anyways, don't forget to set your DVRs for the spelling bee this Thursday.

I don't really agree with hnair, but I would like to see Indian kids taking as dominating a position, or close to it, in the math olympiads.

i don't dispute what you've witnessed, but my personal experience is that i've seen the complete opposite of the above. 2nd gen kids who are born and brought up in US, or who've been in US since 2 or 3 years age, who wear tilak on forehead, without any sense of shame or loss of face.

you'd be surprised just how much "resistance" there is to p-sec nonsense in certain determined sections of Indians in US. and it is not limited to any linguistic section, but spread out among various regional origins in India.

It's sledging, psywar. The target either believes the insult and loses the drive to win, or gets enraged and wastes energy and attention battling the insult.

Just read the news about Rahul Nagvekar winning the spelling bee. As more and more desis win these type of contests, except editorials saying that these kids are just robots, not winning push-up contests and being the star quarterback etc etc. That they need to be more well-rounded for their own benefit and learn to play the piano blah blah blah.

Btw, nothing on Fox News about the kid or even the contest.

Reading the comments on Yahoo, some of the comments from the "native" population are just sour grapes, calling the contest useless.

Seems like most Americans would rather raise their kids to be an Al Bundy.

Anybody remember the show. Al "4 touchdowns in a single game" Bundy and then sr. shoe salesman.

hnair is spot on. There was an article about where the past spelling bee winners are doing now. What they have done is yawn compared to the past Westinghouse/Intel winners or IMO winners.

I also had a chance to talk to Dr. Ratnam. I asked him why concentrate on spelling. His premise was that PIO kids are good are getting good scores in the math section of ACT and SAT, but not doing so well in the verbal and analogies etc. I think that premise is incorrect. (and the end goal - to do well in standardized tests - is not a great thing either).

Personally, I find spelling bee championships a little one-dimensional (I am sure it helps in more than one way though) but I say that participating and winning the spelling bee is any day better than not participating in it. And yes, some of the comments seem to be just plain pejorative. A local radio talk show that had a guest talking about (a few years ago) about the pre-ponderance of Indians winning spelling bee, he dismissively said something about the kids being 'home-schooled'. He had no clue but that did not stop him from pontificating. Married, with Children. How dare you mock my guru and role model Al Bundy....there is and will be only one Al Bundy. . Trivia: AL Bundy=Ed O' NEill is also a jiu jitsu martial artist, black belt, I saw him recently on a show about Bruce Lee.

@matrimc: If you find that article on the spelling bee champions and where are they now, please do post a link.

Srikumar, here you go (from Wikipedia entry of Scripps Spelling Bee)

when spelling bee champs grow up

Regarding Indian languages being phonetic which leads us to be good spellers, I have first hand experience of this with my daughter. We were in India for a year when she was 2.5 years old. She picked up a lot of Telugu. When we came back to US, she had a few classes in Telugu alphabet. After that she was able to read fairly complicated Telugu books fluently, but I doubt she understood everything she was reading. Now she completely forgot the Telugu alphabet and lost the Telugu reading ability as well. At about the same time, she started to learn English alphabet and she started to read English books quite fluently at the age of 4 which I felt was quite remarkable. I think her knowing Telugu alphabet and language helped her in English reading enormously. FWIW...

ok this is funny

here we have some saying the reason for excellent performance is the basis in Indian languages??

but out there in burkha thread people are wasting their lives trying to find a link language to replace English


i always mention the fact that European languages originate from Sanskrit. Also the fact that most Indians speak more than 2 languages. I used to wonder why it is so difficult for Phillipino's, Japanese, Chinese to speak grammatically correct structures in English which they learn as a 2nd language.

err many Indians who learn English as a second or third language much later are not that fluent either.

Just like the effects of Tamil or Hindi rub of on their english speaking skills - the same happens to Chinese etc

As for Filipinos they compete with Indians in the many of the same areas (call center\off shoring etc) - so I am not sure why you think their English skills are poor.

Many of the teachers\nurses coming actoss on H1s to US are filipinos.

I would neither disparage others nor overrate us

Thanks. It seems to be a mixed bag. Three of them are doctors/lawyers including the only desi in the list of 7 winners.

To put in perspective Westinghouse winners went on to win nobels and IMO winners went onto win fields medals
Added later I am not saying that they are not good solid professions but they are not like winning a Fields or equivalently a Pulitzer or booker or something

Al Bundy rocks! Love that man and his No Ma'am club. Incidentally, Ed O' Neill is a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu practitioner and is supposed to be pretty good at it.

Good catch.

I don't understand this anti-bee feeling among many people here.

Bee or other things, we want Indian names to appear in public media. More the better and these bees do a good job in that. If you realize that being a bee-champion doesn't get much, no problem, send your kid to outshine others in something else that you find suitable and make his/her name appear in the media. We have enough talented people to excel in different fields. There is no need to demonize something that does good PR job for Indians in America.

bee et al., stereotype indian kids in a particular model. i don't think that is universally good. we need to excel in all walks of life

desis are also stereotyped as some kind of a 'model minority' in massaland. IOW, the 'keep yer heads down and keep paying taxes on time' group. Has among the highest per capita incomes by ethnic group, has a huge number of med school admissions (almost a sixth of all US med school admissions are to PIOs i.e. in a decade, a sixth of all US doctors would be desi origin), poor stats on law school admissions though. And so on.

Any case, reality catches up with stereotyping. I'd worry more about packees claiming to be Indians than Indians doing anything.

that stereotyping is more prevalent in areas where the Indian population is tiny. in place like the NJ belt, the stereotypes are being broken pretty visibly. the "outliers" who have chosen to be "radical" have increased in frequency. and "radical" in the sense that doing the opposite of the "norm".

I am okay with this type of stereotyping. This is a positive stereotype. So it is welcome. When people think doctors, they think Indians. Earlier, it was only cabbies and 7-11 owners and motel guys. Software is taken over by Indians. The Chinese and Koreans are like us.

Contrast with Pakis. They are only known for terrorism, going to Pakistan for "religious training", causing trouble in their patron nations and just making regular asses of themselves.

The hidden angst over the spelling bee is the bogus premise that a mastery over vocabulary is an IQ indicator. SDRE kids have shown its a skill that can be learned and mastered.
The Westinghouse/Intel winners are creative and have to come up with something new and hence some of them go on to win acclaim.
Spelling bee champions have demolished a myth of high vocabulary== high IQ.
So they too have contributed.

moved bee/westinghouse question to off-topic thread...

Ramana garu,

Having a high/decent IQ by itself doesn't make one successful.

High IQ ( 140+ ) + Hardwork --> Very successfull
High IQ ( 140+ ) --> Successful ( depends on how high )
Decent IQ ( 130 + ) + Hardwork --> Successful
Decent IQ ( 130+ ) --> Success not guaranteed

Spelling bee champions have already cultivated a habit of putting effort and developing a good work ethic. I feel this is not something that can be ignored. It will help them to become relatively successful.

I have never worked hard for anything in my life. I never developed a good work ethic. In fact, I had never done any homework in my life ( It was not required in my school ).
I do not consider myself as a successful person. I have an IQ in the 140s ( apparently genius level .. genius my *ss ). It means didly squat.

There is no substitute for hardwork. 99% perspiration..1% inspiration.

JMT

US eyes 7th fleet base in Chittagong port per Times Now.
http://www.timesnow.tv/Excl-America-eye ... 403319.cms

Indian strategists leaked the news. My initial comments is a no although I am aware of the alliance (with US) strategy that strategic community is debating.

^^ Shyamd ji,
This has been first mentioned by an ORF research analyst Dr Joyeeta Bhattacharjee back in April. After 2 months our DDM has finally sniffed it.

Please refer this post

Thanks. DDM sniffed it because officials leaked it to journo's. Why the leak now? Thats the question.

It is the location near china which is the focus. also access to bay of bengal and snooping on Indian nuclear fleet will be in the radar. Not good for Asia and Asians.

By splitting the Indian subcontinent Indians have allowed other powers to enter our region.

How in seven hells is India responsible for this? Are you saying that we should not have helped the Bangladeshis in 71?

No its the 1947 Partition silly.

Raman Sir,
Partition? Ask Pakis , they already existed and in fact post 1990, there is a birth of new nation called 'South Asia' and it exists in the stratosphere.

Owww sheeet! Don't they have enough on their plate in the Pacific?

hnair Apparently the zombie effect is due to a high potency street drug called "bath salts". Check the Islamism thread for the effects.

Leon panetta says US will shift 60% of navy into pacific by 2020.

excerpt:

The increased U.S. naval presence in the Pacific will allow the U.S. to boost the number and size of the military exercises in the region in the next few years and to plan for more port visits over a wider area (*cough cough* chittagong anyone?), including the Indian Ocean. Last year, the U.S. military participated in 172 exercises in the region involving 24 counties.

Currently, the Navy has about 285 ships, with roughly half assigned to each coast, but that total may decline a bit as some ships are retired in the coming years and may not be replaced.

The current fleet includes 11 aircraft carriers, with six assigned to the Pacific. But those numbers are slated to go down later this year, dipping to 10 carriers, with five assigned to Pacific ports in San Diego, Washington state and Japan.

Panetta, however, said he intends to go back to having six carriers in the Pacific in the coming years. And he said the Pacific will also eventually host a majority of the Navy's cruisers, destroyers, submarines and littoral combat ships, which operate in close to shore.

Numbers, however, aren't everything. So Panetta assured the conference that the region will also get ships that have greater technological capabilities. He did not elaborate on what those might be, but he noted that the U.S. expects to deploy more enhanced and high-tech submarines and fighter aircraft, along with new electronic warfare and communications systems.

Panetta is on a nine-day trip across Asia, with planned stops in Vietnam and India

Ramana ji , The Miami cannibal attack is also being blamed on consumption of bath salts by the aggressor.Probably you know this already. Check out the following links.

http://kdvr.com/2012/06/01/zombie-canni ... dangerous/

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/true-c ... 6376597046

If true , then this is the final evidence that US has lost the war on drugs. Infact there will come a time when Americans will rue the fact that they never legalised Marijuana and cocaine. Same goes for other countries who chose to follow similar policies.

After all Human imagination can never be restricted by govt regulation.

Just check the following link (as a testament to human imagination)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_drug