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Aerobatic team "Golden Eagles" celebrated its 20 - year anniversary ,some pictures of the event Mi-8,Mi-28,Ka-52

http://jury-tver.livejournal.com/66105.html#cutid1
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Seems like Russian version of JSTARS is under works .....seen picture of aircraft with sensors on Tu-214 airframe

http://russianplanes.net/images/to78000/077910.jpg
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what could that big ventral radome be for ? they seem to have gone for 4 side panels to get clean LOS avoiding the wings.
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From the looks of it it appears the 4 side panel radar ( 2 near the nose and 2 behind the wings ) are SLAR type radars use to look deep inside the other side (SAR/ISAR mode ) , plus monitoring air activities.

The one below the nose fuselage does not look like radar but some SIGNIT stuff , the one below the fuselage behind the wings in a dome are GMTI type stuff that can scan ground below/ahead of it and scan air activity below it.

We need such JSTAR stuff on big Tu-214/B-737-800 frames .....the one we have on Gulf Stream airframe is low on range and power requirement ........we have a big border to scan deep inside , cant imagine how we can keep track of Shaheen TEL on move without having such assets scan deep inside in real time.
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one below nose could be a IRST/FLIR type thing of very long range given its considerable size.

B737 is really too small - the cargo bay is small enough that people cannot stand upright inside it. and the passenger area if you fit a dozen consoles hardly has anything left over for 2nd crew rest area and eqpt racks.

thats why Khan always use 767 or 707/C135 for these jobs...even going to expense of re-engining many 100s of old airframes..707 is a plenty big a/c and 4 engines I am sure generates additional power to feed to the antennas. khan never cared for the 737 of any hue as a strategic platform. neither did the japanese who went with 767. its only the small scale turks, aussies who went wedgetail on 737.

in our case, A330 is perhaps the best bet. or the IL476 if no other option is there...but A330 massively beats up the IL476 in payload, speed and endurance.

SAR/ISAR/GMTI would give us ability to locate artillery positions, mobile kabila/HQ camps and truck concentrations from 100s of km away and vector in airstrikes or even better nirbhay/brahmos strikes even in blind weather conditions...a quantum leap in our ability to locate and target depth targets 100s of km behind the front....very big table player stuff.
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Austin wrote:Seems like Russian version of JSTARS is under works .....seen picture of aircraft with sensors on Tu-214 airframe

http://russianplanes.net/images/to78000/077910.jpg
is that TU 204
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Prithwiraj wrote:
Austin wrote:Seems like Russian version of JSTARS is under works .....seen picture of aircraft with sensors on Tu-214 airframe

http://russianplanes.net/images/to78000/077910.jpg
is that TU 204
Likely Tu-214 on which most military/intel aircraft are based , its similar to Tu-204-200 series but made by different factory at Kazan.
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Singha wrote:in our case, A330 is perhaps the best bet. or the IL476 if no other option is there...but A330 massively beats up the IL476 in payload, speed and endurance.
Neither of them has been flight qualified with those modification , all those big bumps and pimples means the aircraft will have to be designed , wind tunnel tested and flight qualified ....thats major chunk of work taking lots of time and money which we end up paying being a lone customer.

Better to go for aircraft which is already flight qualified like Boeing 707 or Tu-214 and use Indian/Israel AESA radar/avionics suite , reportedly the JSTARski was contracted in 2003 and is now flying with full suite with induction scheduled for 2013 , thats cool 10 years of effort to rejig that bird and flight qualify/test it.
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Singha wrote:one below nose could be a IRST/FLIR type thing of very long range given its considerable size.
You were right in that its some sort of Thermal/TV channel , details Tu-214R
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any latest update this year?
this is from last year on mars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7DwA9pN ... re=related
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This news should help speed up our own P-8I program

US Navy to start P-8 operational tests in the summer
The US Navy is set to start operational testing of the Boeing P-8 Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft this summer.

"What we're looking forward to this year, really, is our initial operational test and evaluation of the programme," says Capt Aaron Rondeau, the USN's Poseidon programme manager.

The Increment 1 capability on the P-8 will be an improved version of what is on the USN's upgraded Lockheed Martin P-3 Orion, which the Poseidon will replace. However, there are a host of improvements that are planed for the new Boeing 737-based jet.

The first major upgrade will be Increment 2, but that effort has been split into two parts, says Boeing's P-8 business development director David Robinson. The incremental upgrade is being developed with Australian participation.

The first part of that effort is to equip the aircraft with a new Multi-static Active Coherent (MAC) system, which has been accelerated to be fielded in fiscal year 2014. That will enable the fast, high-flying aircraft to search for enemy submarines over a much larger area with a network of active and passive sonar buoys.

"The major focus is on the anti-submarine warfare," Robinson says. "MAC is a major portion of Increment 2."

The other part of the Increment 2 upgrade includes the Automatic Identification System, which would allow the P-8 to read ships' transponders, plus a new computer architecture to rapidly add new capabilities, a new tactical operations centre (TOC), and a high-altitude anti-submarine warfare (ASW) system.

The high-altitude ASW system, which is a collection of sonar buoys, would enable the P-8 to take a closer look at "areas of interest" generated by the MAC, Robinson says. "You'd be able do both [MAC and high-altitude ASW] at the same time," he says.

The TOC would allow a Northrop Grumman MQ-4 Broad Area Maritime Surveillance (BAMS) unmanned air system aircraft to coordinate seamlessly with the P-8, and would allow the Poseidon to better manage its various ASW activities and sensors. Those capabilities should become operational around FY2015.

A follow-on Increment 3 capability has not yet been fully defined, but will include the ability to have some level of control of the BAMS aircraft, Rondeau says. It would also have further architecture improvements to allow for roll-on/roll-off capabilities that might enable the jet to take over certain intelligence-gathering missions currently assigned to the USN's Lockheed EP-3 Aries, he adds. It would also have a new high-altitude ASW weapon and a new "digital, net-ready" anti-surface ship weapon that would improve upon on the existing Harpoon missile.

It might also incorporate J-series inertially-guided satellite-correct weapons and the advanced airborne sensor littoral surveillance radar.
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^^^

That raises the question how much of the above is the IN getting with its P8I?
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good pointer.. anyone knows? I am sure IN version would be tangentially developed and packaged. none of these increments would in there..unless we know the details of the package.
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BAe Hawk still sells , WoW !

BAE Systems and Saudi Arabia sign £1.9bn Hawk jet deal
British defence giant BAE has signed a £1.9bn ($3bn) deal to supply Hawk trainer jets to Saudi Arabia, saving over 200 UK jobs.

The military contractor said the deal averted job losses at its Brough plant and guarantee work for 30 apprentices.

Twenty-two Hawks will be built under the deal with the majority of the work taking place in Lancashire - at BAE sites in Samlesbury and Warton.

A Unite trade union official said hundreds of jobs were still at risk.

BAE had previously said it was ending manufacture of the Hawk training jets at its Brough factory in 2013, with the loss of 865 jobs. Planes have been made at the plant for almost 100 years.

The company said on Wednesday 218 jobs at the Brough factory had been saved until mid-2015 and 73 more employees could be offered transfers to plants in Lancashire.
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1.9billion pounds for only 22 hawks? thats almost the price of the F22!
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pah singha what do you know

Super GCC air force needs super gizmo

Its equipped with AESA and can wipe out IRAF
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Singha wrote:1.9billion pounds for only 22 hawks? thats almost the price of the F22!
Most probably includes the commission paid to Members of saudi royal family. In the earlier eurofighter deal too , such allegations were made.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Yamamah ... llegations
There have been numerous allegations that the Al Yamamah contracts were a result of bribes ("douceurs") to members of the Saudi royal family and government officials.

Some allegations suggested that the former prime minister's son Mark Thatcher may have been involved, however he has strongly denied receiving payments or exploiting his mother's connections in his business dealings.[22]

In February 2001, the solicitor of a former BAE Systems employee, Edward Cunningham, notified Serious Fraud Office of the evidence that his client was holding which related to an alleged "slush fund". The SFO wrote a letter to Kevin Tebbit at the MoD who notified the Chairman of BAE Systems[23] but not the Secretary of Defence.[24] No further action was taken until the letter was leaked to and reported on by The Guardian in September 2003.[25]

In May 2004, Sir Richard Evans appeared before parliament’s defence select committee and said: "I can certainly assure you that we are not in the business of making payments to members of any government."[26]

In October 2004, the BBC's Money Programme broadcast an in-depth story, including allegations in interviews with Edward Cunningham and another former insider, about the way BAE Systems alleged to have paid bribes to Prince Turki bin Nasser and ran a secret £60 million slush fund in relation to the Al Yamamah deal.[27] Most of the money was alleged to have been spent through a front company called Robert Lee International Limited.

In June 2007 the BBC's investigative programme Panorama alleged that BAE Systems "..paid hundreds of millions of pounds to the ex-Saudi ambassador to the US, Prince Bandar bin Sultan."[28]
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Australia and South Africa to share world’s biggest telescope
To be one of the great scientific projects of the 21st century, the array will be so sensitive it could detect an aircraft radar on a planet 50 light years away.
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USAF eying mobile ICBM based on Train or Mobile launcher in quest to replace Minuteman 3 by 2030

Air Force Eyes Mobile Options for Future ICBMs
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Austin wrote:Seems like Russian version of JSTARS is under works .....seen picture of aircraft with sensors on Tu-214 airframe

http://russianplanes.net/images/to78000/077910.jpg
what is that railings like antenna at the rear?
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Singha wrote:1.9billion pounds for only 22 hawks? thats almost the price of the F22!
No, FWIW the deal also includes 55 PC-21, simulators, spares, cross over training etc etc.

Doesnt make it much better though :lol:
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Singha wrote:1.9billion pounds for only 22 hawks? thats almost the price of the F22!
the deal includes the price for 55 Pilatus PC-21s and ground equipment for training and simulators.
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Prithwiraj wrote:Interesting story about this WW2 fighter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... esert.html
WOW! Thanks for sharing.

Cheers....
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Since the Netherlands is now looking to shed further F-16s to an eventual fleet size of only 42 F-16s instead of 68 to reduce costs, there will be additional used Dutch MLU’ed F-16s available on the second-hand market. Chile is an existing customer of ex-Dutch MLU F-16s, having bought 36 in batches and may be interested in these F-16s. Now Romania is also looking at Dutch and Portuguese F-16s to replace its MiG-21 Lancers that will run out of service lives soon, since they cannot afford new jets or the Tranche 1 Typhoons that some Eurofighter partners tried to get them interested in.

Pakistan may also be an interested party, having tried to get some MLU’ed F-16s from European nations in the past but having been refused. They’ve already got an F-16 upgrade program going on in Turkey for their old F-16A/Bs, and may well want to add some more. But their situation is not as acute now, with the JF-17 fleet growing to replace old A-5s and their oldest Mirages.

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Some of the really cool stuff DARPA is working on.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ship_earth

Dont bother about the title of the article.
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For Singha-ji IOR domination plans:

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is that a regular paint scheme of Rus? I thought they used grey and sky blue only. this paint scheme looks kind of japanese.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/proj ... s/img6.jpg
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Yes, thats the new (two-tone) colour scheme for the Su-34's.

Dark grey top, light blue bottom.

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^ Thats a 3000 litre fuel tank in the centerline. I think it can carry 3 of those added to the internal fuel capacity for a total of 19 tons of fuel.

Lots more info here if you are interested -
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-8.html
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Nice. with our INs 12 Jags would be nearing end of useful life in a decade and with a only 1 x ASM payload and limited range, perhaps IN should think of a PLANAF type land based strike arm with say 24-36 of these bad boys spread across 3 squadrons. with the centerline tank, it should still be able to cart along 4 x KH31/KH59 sized ASM to multiples of the distance of the Jag-IM. the Jag-IM is a very paki specific tool and unsuitable for operations in the ASEAN region. alternately it might carry two tanks on the wing and a brahmos on centerline.

or fit these external tanks on the MKI and get some dedicated MKI for the IN under IN pilots atleast
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Yep, it would definitely be a nice replacement for the IN specific jags.

It can carry 6 Kh-31s plus the 3000l DT.

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Old but gold/good article by BAE chief test pilot John Farley on his flight experience in the Mig-29.

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/ ... 03116.html
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apart from 6x the Jag-IM payload, it would fly much faster, much farther , with a dedicated WSO , rear warning radar (useful when flying out of awacs coverage), and capacity for good self-defence suite and jammers. plus no doubt a couple of good AAM also.

it crushes the Jag-IM in all respects other than cost/complexity.
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Yesterday they tested Topol ICBM just routine but it made some bright skyline over israel and many phone calls of UFO sighting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVv449Jkoc0
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Russia test fires Topol-M missile

UFO widely seen in Middle East skies, linked to Russian missile test
Citing a report from RIA Novosti, the radio service said the missile "accurately hit its target" in a Kazakh firing range. However, Ynetnews quoted Yigal Pat-El, chairman of the Israel Astronomical Association, as saying the missile "most likely spun out of control, and its remnants and the fuel was what people saw."

The video was reminiscent of other "space spirals" that occur when rocket stages release burning fuel as they spin. One such spiral was sighted over Norway in 2009, and turned out to be caused by a failed ballistic missile test. In that case, the missile that went awry was a Bulava ICBM, launched from a submarine in the White Sea.

Another spiral was sighted in Russia the following night and captured on video. That one was caused by a Topol missile test, but the test was reported as a success. At the time, NBC News space analyst James Oberg said he had indications that the Topol's "third-stage spin is a 'feature,' not a malfunction, and may be associated with guidance, or decoy deploy, or enhancing hardness against U.S. boost-phase antimissile weapons."
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^^^ That should be Topol i.e. SS-25 and not Topol-M which is SS-27
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZjCGbQV ... re=related

This is better video/
Kapustin Yar (Russian: Капустин Яр) is a Russian rocket launch and development site in Astrakhan Oblast, between Volgograd and Astrakhan. Known today as Znamensk (Russian: Знаменск), it was established 13 May 1946 and in the beginning used technology, material, and scientific support from defeated Germany. Numerous launches of test rockets for the Russian military were carried out at the site, as well as satellite and sounding rocket launches.

Closest to ME and can be used as a site for BMD
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http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology ... r-pacific/

US Navy Successfully Tests New Anti-Ballistic Missile Over Pacific
May 11, 2012
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Pentagon Conquers Space with Its Mysterious Super-drone
La Stampa, Italy

Pentagon Conquers Space with
Its Mysterious Super-drone

By Paolo Mastrolilli

Translated By Francesca Baldanzi

06 June 2012


Edited by Becca Prashner


Italy - La Stampa - Original Article (Italian)

It was launched more than a year ago, but the commanders are not clarifying its target.

Except that it resembles a mini-space shuttle, everything else about it is a mystery. What is American space-plane X-37B, also known as the Orbital Test Vehicle? What purpose does it serve? Why has it been in orbit for over a year? What did it carry on board when it was launched on March 2011? What kind of data will be brought back when it lands back on Earth, in California in mid-June?

The top-secret operation started in 1999, when NASA launched the project to design a small unmanned spacecraft. The project was an experimentation opportunity to test new technologies. The initial cost was just under $200 million. In 2004, the initiative was transferred to the legendary Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which does scientific research for the Pentagon. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is responsible for developing computer networking, among other things. From that moment on, the X-37B has been enshrouded by mystery, and most information about it has disappeared.

As a matter of fact, we know that the spacecraft ended its first mission in 2010, taking off in April and landing 224 days later on the runway of the Vandenberg base. The second mission began in March 2011 and was initially scheduled to be completed in December, but it was extended by the Pentagon with little explanation. “Keeping the X-37 in orbit” said the program director, U.S. Lieutenant-colonel Tom McIntyre, “will provide us with additional experimentation opportunities and allow us to extract the maximum value out of the mission.” Ok, but what is the mission about? The X-37B, designed by Boeing Space and Intelligence Systems in its Huntington Beach, CA headquarters, is 9 meters long and 3 meters high, has a wingspan of 4.5 meters and weighs 4.990 kg. It looks like a small-scale shuttle and was originally meant to go right into the belly of a shuttle. Once this program was stopped, it became an unmanned spacecraft, which took off from Cape Canaveral aboard an Atlas rocket. Nobody could clarify what the spaceship is doing up there, though.

The spacecraft is too small to be a prototype for space explorations. It operates unmanned flights in low-earth orbit, around 300 km above earth with an orbital inclination of 42.79° from the equator. Since this route is nearly identical to Tiangong-1, the first Chinese space-station, where Beijing hopes to bring its astronauts by 2012, some orbital analysts suppose X-37B is probably spying on China's space program. However, several scientists dismissed this conjecture, because the speed and distance between the two objects orbiting do not allow good control.

Those who have tracked the craft’s orbit has revealed it goes past North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan, and, therefore, it may have to monitor these countries. Spy satellites, however, generally prefer the polar route, because it allows a more complete view of the Earth, while X-37B follows the equator. As a result, the Pentagon's story remains the only plausible version, according to which the spacecraft is a test bed for new technologies to be used elsewhere. This hypothesis does not satisfy anyone, and a new fascinating and dangerous rumor circulates: X-37B is the first orbiting weapon. It has been designed to destroy enemy satellites, and as a space-capable bomber. Is it science fiction or a new frontier of war?
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fascinating. the cockpit volume appears nearly similar to the B2.
btw pics and explanation of a B2 crash....deceptively simple air pressure sensor malfunction and lack of co-ordination led to it...
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... es/4273248

B2 cockpit
http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/wp-c ... kpit-1.jpg
Su34 cockpit
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jj-Aw-03vQc/T ... 1600/9.jpg
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