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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 19:21 
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^^ Congrats to the Chinese...

They sure are making giant strides!!


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 20:30 
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It is an achievement indeed.


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 21:23 
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carrier derivative of a land-based Su-27 might not have all its theoretical advantages. Naval air battles are going to be more on what khan calls co-op engagement mode - ship based, helo and UAV based long-range sensors cueing crafts for taking BVR shots against incoming. Su-27 in that context is a curious animal. Large radar footprint, lesser fuel etc, unless it is able to sneak in closer for doing WVR abhyas.

Su-27 derivative on land is a beast and the naval one looks good on paper. But if you add in other params like fuel, loadout etc from a carrier, that thing seems like relic of the soviet era thinking of "going big". Suits Chicom's marchpast agenda too

But a cat will change that.


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 22:01 
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Congratulations are in order. Indeed great achievement.


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China puts its first woman astronaut into orbit

http://news.yahoo.com/china-puts-first- ... 54354.html

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JIUQUAN, China (Reuters) - China put its first woman into orbit on Saturday, one of three astronauts to attempt a critical space docking in the latest challenge for the country's ambitious space programme.

A Long March rocket blasted off in the early evening from the remote Jiuquan Satellite Launch Centre in the northwestern Gobi Desert, carrying with it the Shenzhou 9 spacecraft and the three astronauts, including 33-year-old female fighter pilot Liu Yang.

This is China's fourth manned space mission since 2003 when astronaut Yang Liwei became the country's first person in orbit, and comes as the United States has curtailed manned launches over budget concerns and changing priorities.

Congratulations to the Chinese people and its state. This is truly a remarkable achievement. Hope you keep up the tempo. I hope the Chinese are planning for a human-moon landing and have their eyes set on rocks beyond the moon.


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 22:11 
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their eyes have set on h3 when once abdul kalamji talked about it.


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 22:12 
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Even ISRO congratulated the Chinese:

Indian space scientists praise Chinese space feat

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India's top space scientists praised China's maiden mission of manned docking of its space lab even as New Delhi's own human space flight programme seems to have lost momentum.

"It's a wonderful thing that has happened," ex-Chairman of Indian Space Research Organisation, U R Rao told PTI here. "Essentially, they are making sure that they are going ahead systematically with manned mission programme".

China today launched its longest and heaviest rocket to sent its first woman astronaut in space as part of a three- member team to conduct its maiden manned docking of its space lab being built to rival Russia's Mir International Space Station.

Another former ISRO Chairman, G Madhavan Nair said China is marching forward in manned space programme with a lot of aggression. ISRO first formally mooted the proposal on human space flight programme after about 80 senior scientists from across the country participated in a meeting to discuss the issues related to Indian manned space mission in 2006.


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Back-to-back failure of India's Geosynchronous Space Launch Vehicle (GSLV) -- one with home-grown cryogenic engine and another Russian one -- in 2010, put brakes on India's proposed human space flight, which ISRO was eyeing in 2008-09 to undertake it in the 2015-16 time-frame.

ISRO officials in private now say they do not expect such a mission before 2020. Rao, meanwhile, also said China's defence and space programmes have lot of synergy. "Their largest missile has a 13,000 km reach. They can practically reach anybody on the earth".

He said India has not started any manned mission programme at all. "We have to have much larger and much more powerful launch vehicle," Rao said. Nair was more forthright.

Despite the failure of twin GSLV missions, he said ISRO should have taken up the human space programme parallel with other space programmes. "We had picked up momentum after the Chandrayaan mission. Precious three years have been lost. As far as India is concerned, we have missed a great opportunity. By this time, we would gone half-way through (if we started three years ago)," Nair said

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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 22:14 
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I would like ISRO to send a team to dock with ISS. we have something to boast better than chinese.. get into the books right away on the mission statement.. time is ticking.


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 23:11 
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Hold on Sirs. We don't know how much is gimmick/photoshop and how much is stolen and how much is real.


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 23:40 
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Congratulations to the PRC on a great achievement. I'm happy to see the space programme reach these heights.
Wish the astronauts good luck with the mission, and a safe return.


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PostPosted: 17 Jun 2012 01:15 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR7wR0aUpuE

on you tube

excellent clean burn fuel


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PostPosted: 17 Jun 2012 07:03 
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Christopher Sidor wrote:
wrdos wrote:
China puts its first woman astronaut into orbit

http://news.yahoo.com/china-puts-first- ... 54354.html

Congratulations to the Chinese people and its state. This is truly a remarkable achievement. Hope you keep up the tempo. I hope the Chinese are planning for a human-moon landing and have their eyes set on rocks beyond the moon.


Fair enough. Thats a quick return to space and put a woman in there.
Well done and Congrats to them


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PostPosted: 17 Jun 2012 07:07 
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Good pics of Vik out and inside. Check out the quarters etc.

http://jjamwal.in/blog/2012/05/ins-vikramaditya-aircraft-carrier.html


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PostPosted: 17 Jun 2012 09:56 
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if those quarters are for all crew and not just officers - look spacious and better than american carriers which tend to be quite cramped and have 3 tier bunks for crew and only officers get 2 tier bunks iirc.

http://www.militaryaircrafthistorian.co ... arters.jpg

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/22 ... 7-7008.jpg

I once visited a east german tarantul class missile boat docked in new haven MA maritime museum. for its length, it was a ship of broad beam and surprisingly very spacious inside the areas that were open to the tour.


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PostPosted: 19 Jun 2012 19:28 
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http://news.yahoo.com/china-conduct-aut ... EAvsKPIsF_
China in first automatic, manned space docking

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China completed its first automatic space docking on a manned mission Monday, before the three astronauts on board enter an orbiting module -- a key step towards the nation's first space station
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China aims to complete construction of a space station by 2020, a goal that requires it to perfect docking technology


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The technique is hard to master because the two vessels, placed in the same orbit and revolving around the Earth at thousands of kilometres per hour, must come together very gently to avoid destroying each other.


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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2012 00:00 
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India mulls joint military exercises with China

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India is planning to propose joint military exercises with China which will also include army-to-army exercises, sources said.The armies of the two countries last held counter insurgency and counter terrorism wargames codenamed ‘Hand-in-Hand’ in 2009 in Belgaum in India and prior to that in China in 2007.

India and China had agreed to enhance defence exchanges and communications for better understanding and mutual trust during the fourth round of Annual Defence Dialogue (ADD) held here in December last year after a tumultuous two years for military ties.



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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2012 00:10 
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SaiK wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR7wR0aUpuE

on you tube

excellent clean burn fuel



Indeed very impressive....


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PostPosted: 22 Jun 2012 14:18 
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http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=1677038148

It is being transported from Shenyang to Xi'an.


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PostPosted: 22 Jun 2012 15:26 
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songfeihong wrote:
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=1677038148

It is being transported from Shenyang to Xi'an.

which aircraft is this?


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PostPosted: 22 Jun 2012 17:03 
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adityadange wrote:
songfeihong wrote:
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=1677038148

It is being transported from Shenyang to Xi'an.

which aircraft is this?


L-15 Lead-In Fighter Trainer (LIFT).

It looks like it has fallen to the right and broken it's wing.


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http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/read.php?tid=707 ... d=&page=11

SAC F-60


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PostPosted: 22 Jun 2012 19:22 
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^^ is China perusing 2 projects for 5th Gen fighters :shock:

if yes then we should speed up our AMCA project and PAKFA testing & induction. These Chinese cutting down the technology gap between them and US very fast, either by stealing or copying.

If once they success in making fighter comparable to 5th Gen then Pakistan will also have it. I don't want that to happen in next 20 years. :)


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PostPosted: 22 Jun 2012 20:01 
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SaiK wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR7wR0aUpuE

on you tube

excellent clean burn fuel


That could be because the Chinese didnt use a million gallons of water to dampen the sound. The launch pad appears to be in the middle of nowhere. So unlike the US launch they may not have sound dampening requirements. Check google and you will see that there a huge water tank right under the US shuttle launch pads, plus they pump in many more.

Another factor is the fuel used. When you say clean burn, one would think less polluting as it burns clean with no soot, CO, NOx etc. I think you meant no smoke, hence clean burn. It is a case of different fuel here. Chinese use UDMH which is highly toxic/polluting, but appears clear, unlike Space Shuttle with H2 and O2. But some of the US rocket core still use UDMH (Titan ?)

Nothing on fuel that they invented new. Great effort. Only if they could reduce their belligerence and focus more on Asia axis


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songfeihong wrote:
http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/read.php?tid=707511&fpage=0&toread=&page=11

SAC F-60


I doubt those are any thing beyond Full Scale Mock Up or some wind tunnel model of what appears to be some fighter aircraft may be new type.

Looking at the way Chinese has maintained a cover on J-20 and J-10 program for a long time , it would be too liberal of them to show any thing even a mockup of new fighter.


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PostPosted: 23 Jun 2012 13:10 
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Spy sub had China target
by: Paul Lampathakis

From: The Sunday Times

June 16, 2012

A WA submarine was spying on Chinese war vessels at the time of a
high-profile accident that saw five sailors washed overboard.

In revelations set to cause fresh tensions between Canberra and
Beijing, The Sunday Times has learnt that HMAS Farncomb was "keeping an
eye on the Chinese submarine fleet", including activities such as
decoding communications systems, when fishing line tangled in its
propeller in March 2007.

Sources said Farncomb - which is based at Perth's HMAS Stirling base -
had to wait for the cover of night before surfacing for repairs because
it was in a "strategically sensitive" area.

The claims are the latest to shake Australian-Chinese relations after
details emerged that the Rudd Government's 2009 defence planning
reportedly canvassed a scenario of war with China where Australian
submarines would help US forces blockade China's trade routes.

End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar.

Farncomb's accident was made public only in 2009 when the Royal
Australian Navy announced bravery medals would be awarded to three crew
members who rescued the five swept off the top of the surfaced
submarine on March 19, 2007, while trying to repair the propeller.

Focusing on the sailors' heroism, media reports said the Farncomb was
in international waters on a spy mission as part of a five-month
deployment in South-East Asia, including Thailand, and the western
Pacific.

But well-placed naval sources told The Sunday Times: "They were keeping
an eye on the Chinese submarine fleet. They were decoding
communications systems.

"They were determining capabilities (of Chinese submarines). (The area)
was so strategically sensitive that they couldn't surface the boat in
the middle of the day.

"It had to secretly surface in the night and risk people's (crew
members') lives because where they were, they couldn't risk making
noise."

The sources said a "massive Chinese submarine base" at Hainan Island in
the South China Sea had become a major concern for Australian and US
forces, and that a reason Australia was important to the US-Australian
alliance was because of its submarine activities.

Responding to the spying claims and questions about other Australian
covert missions regarding China, a Department of Defence spokeswoman
said: "The Chief of Navy has made it clear that we do not talk about
submarine operations for reasons of national security."

Notre Dame University political analyst Martin Drum said the issue
would raise more questions for Defence Minister Stephen Smith about the
extent of spying activities against China and create further tensions
between the two countries.sAustralia and China at a time when Chinese
investment in Australia had become a "significant political issue".


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PostPosted: 23 Jun 2012 21:42 
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^^ Kindly provide a one liner as to what is being pointed to in the link. Will help the forumite to decide if it is worth clicking the link or not.


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From mp.net pics , this seems to be a twin engine bird but smaller than J-20 so likely powered by two 80-90 Kn engine ?


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Chinese Submersible Dives Below Record 7,000 Meters


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Austin wrote:
From mp.net pics , this seems to be a twin engine bird but smaller than J-20 so likely powered by two 80-90 Kn engine ?


Check out the bottom part J -21
http://cnair.top81.cn/J-20_J-21.htm#J-21

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PostPosted: 24 Jun 2012 13:32 
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if its real, this would be the A2A oriented bird in the stable.


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PostPosted: 24 Jun 2012 13:39 
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Singha wrote:
if its real, this would be the A2A oriented bird in the stable.

We shall see soon enough, apparently this will be rolled out around September in Shenyang. Your guess is as good as mine.


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PostPosted: 24 Jun 2012 14:37 
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Don wrote:
Austin wrote:
From mp.net pics , this seems to be a twin engine bird but smaller than J-20 so likely powered by two 80-90 Kn engine ?

Check out the bottom part J -21
http://cnair.top81.cn/J-20_J-21.htm#J-21


Looks fine with huge conventional control surfaces and big vertical stabiliser like the F-22 , can see shades of F-22 and F-35 in J-21 design.

As i guessed it it has 95 Kn engine each , should end up being a mid range fighter with J-20 is the top end , likely swing role fighter with Air Superiority in mind.


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^^ :-o
this is serious :shock:


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PostPosted: 24 Jun 2012 14:59 
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well a mid sized A2A bird based around same technologies was inevitable. the J20 will likely be a long range PLANAF strike fighter and cruise missile bird. this one will be the successor to the Su30/J10 in due course.

its hard to argue the case of the J20 as a nimble fighter because it isnt.


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Singha wrote:
well a mid sized A2A bird based around same technologies was inevitable. the J20 will likely be a long range PLANAF strike fighter and cruise missile bird.

I don't disagree with what you said, however, I think the J20 is probably capable of doing MIG 31 style air defense patrol with its big radar and large missile payload.


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true. meteor/amos type missiles in long range mode will work good.


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Don wrote:
Singha wrote:
well a mid sized A2A bird based around same technologies was inevitable. the J20 will likely be a long range PLANAF strike fighter and cruise missile bird.

I don't disagree with what you said, however, I think the J20 is probably capable of doing MIG 31 style air defense patrol with its big radar and large missile payload.

There is some element of truth in what both of you said. The Soviets designed Mig-31 for intercepting hostile aircraft over their vast airspace. Due to the sheer size of Soviet Union, it was not possible to ring their entire boundary with fighters. Hence the need for Mig-31 which could track multiple targets and had a massive range.

China faces a similar problem with respect to US and its allies in Western Pacific and to a certain degree with respect to India in Tibet too. Due to high altitude and other reasons, it is not feasible to station fighters to take on IAF on Tibetan highlands. They have to depend primarily on Air-defense networks. But a J-20, that to with its speculated "range" could be used effectively against Indian forces in north east and possible north-west too.

But a lot depends on what they configure the massive bays of J-20 with, either armaments or fuel. With air-to-air refueling, it would make sense to configure the fighter with armaments, but it would impact the combat radius of the fighter.


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Here's a very broad question for those in the business - are the Chinese anywhere as good at reverse engineering code as they are at reproducing hardware? Modern aircraft have millions of lines of code, and the emerging generation of autonomous optional man in the loop UAVs are that much more sophisticated. How much catching up does the Chinese software industry have to do to even make use of success in say hacking through to Lockheed Martin's secure servers and downloading everything that runs on a UCAV and its ground support terminal?


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Heres a very useful resource (chapters 2 & 4 are very useful as references);

China’s Defense Industry on the Path of Reform

Prepared for
The US-China Economic and Security Review Commission
October 2009

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Executive Summary
Key Findings
• With some notable exceptions (missiles and space), the Chinese defense-industrial base through the 1980s and most of the 1990s uniformly suffered from chronic shortages of capital, technology, and production know-how;
• The purchases of Russian military technology in the early to mid 1990s, such as Su-27 FLANKERs, Kilo-class submarines, and Sovremenny-class destroyers, were meant to fill critical mission-related gaps in Chinese military modernization, and should therefore be seen as a scathing indictment of the failures of the PRC defense-industrial base to fulfill its long-standing promises to the People’s
Liberation Army (PLA);
• Since the reforms of 1998, the Chinese defense industries have undergone a dramatic and successful transformation, surpassing the expectations of even the most forward-leaning analyst;
• There is now significant variation across the various sectors (aviation, aerospace, ordnance, shipbuilding, defense electronics) of the Chinese defense-industrial base;
• The relative progress of an individual defense-industrial sector appears to be best explained by its relative integration into the globalized production and R&D chain, which provides access to the latest production and manufacturing technologies and know-how;
• While missiles and aerospace have always been a “pocket of excellence,” the greatest progress appears to have been made in the shipbuilding and defense electronics sectors, both of which have benefited greatly from China’s current position as a leading producer of commercial ships and information technologies;
• Those sectors that have lagged in relative terms (aviation and ordnance) have been hurt by a lack of similar spin-on benefits from partnerships between multinational corporations and domestic industry, though the defense-industrial reforms of 1998 and diffusion of innovation in the system have improved their performance;
• Integration with the global production and R&D chain has facilitated dramatic improvements in Chinese defense-industrial production and PLA modernization since the late 1990s;
• China’s emergence as the world’s IT workshop has played an important role in the PLA’s C4I revolution, particularly the elements of the C4I system that rely on COTS (commercial off-the-shelf). This C4I revolution has significantly improved the Chinese military’s operational and communications security.


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CHAPTER ONE: Organizational Infrastructure and Relationships among Major Players at Government and Enterprise Levels

Summary
The structural changes and developments in each sector of China’s defense industry illustrate a broad process of consolidation and reform at both the government ministerial and defense enterprise levels. Through these changes, the leadership in Beijing aims to
build a modern military industrial base capable of competing in the world market for weapons sales and meeting the force requirements of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) as it assumes a more forward military posture.

Specifically, the reforms and consolidation process represents a new model for success built on the principle of Yujun Yumin and the concept of injecting the “Four Mechanisms” into the military industrial base. At the government level, the most significant change is the creation of the new “super ministry,” with the Ministry of Industry and Informatization (MIIT) and the elevated position of the General Armaments Department (GAD). Developments at the level of enterprises and subsidiaries manifest these strategies in expanded autonomy and competition for the enterprises and their subsidiaries, and increased opportunities for commercial business in the global market.

The following chapter will assess each sector to gauge which ones are benefiting from these structural changes and to evaluate their relative strengths and weaknesses


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CHAPTER TWO: Net Assessment of China’s Defense-Industrial Sectors

The Chinese defense industry has undergone a broad-based transformation since the late 1990s. Historically, China’s defense industry has been plagued by a lack of capital, technology, and incentives. Redundant personnel, lack of R&D experts, limited knowhow and communist management practices impeded innovation and attempts to manufacture “leap-frog” technologies. The moribund nature of China’s defense industry resulted in backward weapon systems and an overreliance on foreign technologies.

After reforms began in the late 1990s, China’s defense industry started to shed this historical legacy, resulting in substantial improvement. In fact, then head of the General Armaments Department Li Jinai stated in 2003 that “there has been a marked improvement in national defense scientific research and in building weapons and equipment. The past five years has been the best period of development in the country’s history.” Reforms included shedding thousands of jobs, increasing funding, and bifurcating each defense industrial ministry into two independent enterprises to foster competition. This was followed by a directive to commercialize and reform the business practices of the defense industry to make it competitive in a market economy. Defense industrial executives now had to respond to profit and loss statements and seek new ways to make their companies profitable outside of the defense sector. Moreover, as the civilian economy, especially the electronics sector, began to improve, the defense industry was able to exploit the “spin-on” benefits of civilian technologies. Indeed, the opening of the Chinese economy to foreign investment and technology provided new opportunities, legal and illegal, to transfer technology and know-how to Chinese weapon programs.

The result of these ongoing reforms is that analysts can no longer make blanket claims about China’s defense industry across the board but instead must evaluate each sector individually. Each sector has responded in different ways to these reforms and has faced different challenges. While China’s pockets of excellence continues in the space, missile, and nuclear fields, the relative success of other sectors appears to depend greatly on the extent to which the sector is integrated into the global R&D and production chain. Those sectors that are well-integrated, such as shipbuilding, have made enormous strides. Those sectors that are not well-integrated, such as ordnance and aviation, have lagged world standards. And at least one sector, defense electronics, appears to be a hybrid, exhibiting significant improvement in capability areas that can exploit China’s emergence as the world’s information technology workshop, such as COTS systems like switches and routers, but continuing to lag in other areas, such as radiation-hardened mil-spec electronics with no commercial analog.

The New Defense-Industrial Spectrum

Traditional “Pockets of Excellence”
Nuclear weapons and missiles, including the derivative capabilities in space launch, have long been so-called “pockets of excellence” in the Chinese system, enjoying a string of programmatic successes even during the chaos and irrationality of the Mao era.
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Globalized Defense-Industrial Sectors (“Leaders of the Pack”)
Shipbuilding
China’s shipbuilding industry is the exemplar of the globalized defense-industrial sectors, reflecting the progress possible when a sector is fully integrated into the global R&D and production chain and can take advantage of the full range of foreign technology and know-how.

Unglobalized Defense-Industrial Sectors (“Laggards”)
Aviation

Bifurcated Sectors (“The Hybrids”)
Defense Electronics and Information Technologies

The Chinese defense electronics and IT sector has always been a special case, reflecting both the successes of the shipbuilding sector and the problems plaguing other sectors. On the one hand, the sector has benefited greatly from China’s status as the world’s IT workshop, reaping the best of the state-of-the-art commercial technologies, such as switches and routers, to support the COTS elements of the PLA’s C4ISR modernization.

On the other hand, the lack of a commercial analogue for high-end military defense electronics, such as radiation-hardened electronics components with wide temperature ranges, has driven the Chinese to aggressively pursue illegal technology acquisition around the world.

...the Chinese military is in the midst of a C4I revolution, characterized by the wholesale shift to digital, secure communications via fiber optic cable, satellite, microwave, and encrypted high-frequency radio. The pace and depth of these advances cannot be explained by traditional Chinese defense-industrial dynamics, but instead spring from a paradigm shift known as the “digital triangle,” which resembles a classic techno-nationalist strategy, with high-level bureaucratic coordination and significant state funding. The three vertices of the “digital triangle” are (1) China’s booming commercial information technology companies, (2) the state R&D institute and funding infrastructure, and (3) the military.


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CHAPTER THREE: Role of Western and U.S. Companies in Contributing to Improvements in the Capabilities of the PRC Defense Industry

Summary
The examples of partnerships and exchanges that can facilitate transfers of technology, know-how, and capital from Western and U.S. companies to China’s defense industry are meant to be representative rather than exhaustive lists. They indicate the complexity of the challenges U.S. policy makers face in regulating and monitoring U.S. commercial involvement with Chinese firms. Western and U.S. companies have tremendous incentives to invest and collaborate with their Chinese partners. This is particularly evident in aviation, where safety standards must be a priority. Capital incentives also exert a strong pull, as exhibited by the U.S. software companies that agreed to transfer technology in exchange for market position. But the structure of the Chinese defense industry makes it difficult to restrict transfers of technology, know-how, and capital to Chinese military entities without crippling U.S. business with commercial firms. Under the Yujun Yumin system, and the often gray line separating civilian and military entities, it is exceedingly difficult to distinguish between commercial partnerships that are benign and those that may contribute to strengthening PRC military capabilities.
 


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CHAPTER FOUR: Access to International Capital Markets

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After a slow start, Chinese defense-industrial companies are gaining more funding from international capital markets. An emerging trend reveals that more companies are offering H shares on the Hong Kong market, which are favorable to foreign investors. While most companies still have A shares on Chinese domestic markets, a 2002 regulation enables foreign investment in A shares through QFIIs.

In the aviation sector, AVIC is expanding its access to international capital markets and foreign investment relative to the other sectors. It is in the sectoral leader in H-share offerings (3) and total listed subsidiaries (22). This additional capital is primarily used to support development of the indigenous commercial jet project. China’s shipbuilding industry also is a major player in the international capital markets through mammoth holding companies and at least one subsidiary offering H shares.


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CHAPTER FIVE: China’s Defense-Industrial Reforms As a Path to True Independence? Entering the “Critical Stage” of Defense-Industrial Reforms

The Chinese defense industry since the late 1970s has undergone a profound transformation, evolving from a relatively inefficient and backward set of legacy organizations from the Mao period to a relatively dynamic and capable network of R&D and production units increasingly integrated into the global economy. Looking to the future, however, China’s senior political, industrial, and military leaders have called the next 20 years the “critical stage” (关键阶段) in China’s modernization of its defenseindustrial base.

A key feature of this “critical stage” involves increasing the relative independence of defense industry. Though domestic innovation is playing a larger role in the industry’s successes, major policy documents and speeches by senior S&T and industry sector leaders make clear that China’s level of dependence on foreign technology and know-how is still too high. To achieve this independence and to progress to a higher level of production sophistication, Beijing is pursuing a multi-pronged reform and modernization strategy.
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• Significant contract awards to nontraditional suppliers, including non-state enterprises
• Divestures and acquisitions driven by decisions taken by enterprise management, not ministries
• Privatization of defense manufacturers
• Substitution of domestic production for imports

...analysis of procurement patterns suggests that the competitive bid process has become the norm. This revolutionary change will likely be aided by the March 1998 subordination of COSTIND under the Ministry of Industry and Informatization and the corresponding empowerment of the General Armaments Department, which is responsible for running the competitive bid process.

...In terms of significant contract awards to nontraditional suppliers, including non-state enterprises, the biannual China Defense Logistics Exhibition was notable for the number of non-state enterprises in attendance, strongly suggesting the proliferation of a network of new private sector enterprises supporting the defense establishment. Divestitures and acquisitions driven by decisions taken by enterprise management, not ministries are a major focus of SASAC’s reform efforts within the defense-industrial base, particularly as it prepares individual defense-industrial corporations for possible foreign market listings and international capital investment.


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