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sure ?

Jagan thinks it's halwara.
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Vishal, remember us discussing this at length at 5.30 in the morning? Fun it was. :mrgreen:

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Kersi D wrote:
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Any idea where they are based ?IIRC

No 2, Tezpur
No 8, Bareilly
No 20, Pune
No 24, Bareilly
No 30, Pune
No 31, ????
No 102 Chabua

Please update

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PostPosted: 12 Jun 2012 22:37 
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Rahul M wrote:

scramble.nl also says Halwara


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Kersi D wrote:
nachiket wrote:
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There are 7 known MKI squadrons - 2, 8 20, 24, 30, 31 and 102. If all of them are filled to capacity, the total will come to around 140 including reserves. So that number is not far off. I doubt if it is the exact number anyway.


Any idea where they are based ?IIRC

No 2, Tezpur
No 8, Bareilly
No 20, Pune
No 24, Bareilly
No 30, Pune
No 31, ????
No 102 Chabua

Please update

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According to this news article, it mentions Jodhpur (October 2011-):
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Now, SU-30 fighter squadron in Jodhpur
TNN Oct 1, 2011, 11.04AM IST

JODHPUR: State-of-the-art premier multirole fighters, SU-30 Squadron of IAF will be stationed at the Jodhpur air base from Sunday.

With this induction, strike capability of IAF in Rajasthan has gained far reaching advantage and the air defence of the country has become impregnable . The squadron taking on to the western skies with its lethal strike force, multirole function and weaponry carrying capability will give unassailable advantage to IAF in this sector, defence spokesperson Col S D Goswami said.
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Here is another article confirming:
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IAF to deploy more fighter aircraft along Pak border
PTI Apr 20, 2011, 09.03pm IST

JODHPUR: Strengthening its presence along Pakistan border, the Indian Air Force will deploy two squadrons of its frontline air superiority Su-30MKI fighter here.

"We have decided to deploy two squadrons of Su-30MKI fighter squadrons in Jodhpur in next two years," South Western Air Command chief Air Marshal A K Gogoi told reporters here.

Gogoi is on a three-day visit to the air force bases in and around Jodhpur.

Jodhpur will be the first Su-30MKI base along the Pakistan border. Till now, the IAF has deployed its main strike fighter in Lohegaon near Pune, Bareilly, and Tezpur and Chabua in Assam.

IAF also plans to deploy the aircraft at its Halwara air base in Punjab.

IAF has started operating Su-30s in high-altitude areas too and its squadrons on a regular basis practice flights from the Leh air base in Jammu and Kashmir.

Talking about strengthening air surveillance capabilities, Gogoi said Medium Power Radars have been deployed under the Command, which will be the first one to use them.


From what it looks to be, here is what the basing will be for the next 5 x Su-30MKI squadrons:
  • Jodhpur -> No.31 + 1 future squadron = 2 squadrons total
  • Tezpur -> No.2 + 1 future squadron = 2 squadrons total
  • Chabua -> No.102 + 1 future squadron = 2 squadrons total
  • Halwara -> 2 future squadrons

That will bring the total to 12 MKI squadrons (2 each @ Pune, Bareilly, Tezpur, Chabua, Jodhpur, and Halwara). It still leaves another 2 squadrons left to be decided on its basing. We will need to keep a look out for any new base that is mentioned by the IAF in the near future.


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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012 05:41 
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Why is it 14 squadron? 272 would translate to 15 squadrons of 18 each right?


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hopefully Kalaikunda.


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The rest 2sq of 14sq Su30 will be deployed in south India i.e, Sulur according to reports.


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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012 06:58 
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Why is it 14 squadron? 272 would translate to 15 squadrons of 18 each right?


18 is the sanctioned strength for a typical fighter squadron. However, there will be some units kept as deep reserves (fleet-wise); plus, it is likely a 0.5 squadron will be assigned to Tactics and Air Combat Development Establishment (TACDE) in the near future.


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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012 07:01 
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AFAIK both Jodhpur and Halwara doesn't have a squadron strength of SU30 yet. Halwara will be having one squadron this year, Jodhpur may be early 2013.


Lion Squadron Location -
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The Indian Air Force's 31 Squadron was presented standards by the President in Pune today. The squadron was formed at Pathankot on 01 Sep 1963, and was equipped with French Mystere aircraft. During both the wars with Pakistan in 1965 as well as in 1971, the squadron was extensively employed in the ground attack role in support of the Indian Army on the western front. The squadron operated Mysteres till 1973, and then the Indian made Maruts till 1983 before re-equipping with the MiG 23 which it flew from 1983 till its number plating in Sep 2003. The Squadron was resurrected on 01 Jan 2009 at Air Force Station Pune under the command of Wg Cdr A Srivastav. The Squadron has been the backbone of the IAF's strike force in several Operations including Brasstracks, Meghdoot, Safed Sagar, Parakram and Vijay Chakra. For its gallant role in various operations, the Sqn has earned one Maha Vir Chakra, three Vir Chakras, one Vishit Seva Medal apart from several commendations by CAS and C-in-Cs. The Squadron is now re-equipped with the cutting edge SU-30 MKI multi role fighter, armed with a state-of-the-art radar, avionics, beyond visual range missiles, precision guided ground attack weapons and air to air refueling capabilities increasing the operational capability of the squadron manifold. The unit continues its operational service exemplifying the unit motto; "Shatrum Chhidrey Praharet" meaning, " A kill with every blow".
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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012 09:17 
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^^^

It was raised in Pune in 2009 but in October 2011 it moved to Jodhpur.


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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012 09:22 
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A bit OT but Google Earth is showing a Sqn of M2K at Nal AFS,Bikaner,is it an old info?


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I suggest 1 sqdn of SU 30MKI at Port Blair / A&N area and one (or even half) a squadron in Lakshwadeep Islands. The sqdn may be based in say Sulur or Thanjuvar or XYZ with a permanent detachment Lakshwadeep Islands.
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Vishal Jolapara wrote:


How about pics of SU 30 carrying some air to surface missles like Kh 31 and Kh 59 and hkghdfkhgd. ?

How about pics of SU 30 carrying Lightening pod ?


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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012 13:28 
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Vishal bhai, thanks for sharing your great photos with us.


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it will need a new airport in lakshadweep to base a/c there.
the current one is a bare bones place
http://www.traveldealsfinder.com/wp-con ... irport.jpg

I suggest we avoid coral islands of the lakshadweep/maldives variety and instead seek a navair base in a proper volcanic island like Mauritius which is also much further out and hence more valuable as a aircraft carrier. its much bigger and we can pay a handsome price for land.

Madagascar is also a good place to drop anchor in.


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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012 14:05 
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Kersi D wrote:
I suggest 1 sqdn of SU 30MKI at Port Blair / A&N area


A&N was planned but due to Tsunami there sometime back, it was decided that Kalaikunda will take care of A&N.

Kalaikunda fighters in charge of Andaman and Nicobar Islands defences

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and one (or even half) a squadron in Lakshwadeep Islands. The sqdn may be based in say Sulur or Thanjuvar or XYZ with a permanent detachment Lakshwadeep Islands.
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Being taken care of

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The IAF would base Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) with maritime surveillance capabilities along with two squadrons each of the Sukhoi-30 and the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) at its upgraded air bases in Thanjavur and Sulur in Tamil Nadu.


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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012 14:27 
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good for securing our brown water.
for green water LRMP and securing sea lanes to africa nothing beats mauritius though. and deep ocean east of madagascar looks tempting as a SSN/SSBN base.

and some of us have a thing for Socotra inspite of the howling winds.


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Kalaikunda fighters in charge of Andaman and Nicobar Islands defenses

the article above says during the Tsunami IAF lost assets... I remember the water came all the up to the runway and washed away a part of it .. but did we loose any aircraft?


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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012 19:28 
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rahul,

the statesman link quotes a 'senior' IAF official and confirms that a squadron of SU 30MKI is based in kalaikunda airbase (30th sept 2011) which is not recorded in the BRF link above. can it be corrected please?

part of the actual quote - We are at present hosting an Su-30 MKI squadron in Kalaikunda, though we cannot divulge much details about its utility. Regular weapons practice, though, is underway with the Su-30 MKIs in Dudhkundi firing range,” said another senior IAF official.


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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012 19:31 
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Kalaikunda fighters in charge of Andaman and Nicobar Islands defenses

the article above says during the Tsunami IAF lost assets... I remember the water came all the up to the runway and washed away a part of it .. but did we loose any aircraft?


not sure of the aircrafts lost but the infra was affected which had to be built again besides the loss of 128 men as per shiv aroor.


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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012 21:46 
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I had seen a photo of a lineup of MKIs from kalaikunda about to roll off flight line for a night exercise.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/sites/de ... isplay.jpg

as you can see atleast 4 planes have pilots in cockpit and about to depart.


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tsunami will hit again, and perhaps with more vigor... and that is the nature of the terrain and geographic behavior of the place near the bande ache and other island places.

it would be surprising we continue to operate with the same level of preparedness. it is important to raise the runway height to 20ft above sea level - perhaps elevated runways, is the ideal solution... at least assets can be safeguarded.


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SaiK wrote:
tsunami will hit again, and perhaps with more vigor... and that is the nature of the terrain and geographic behavior of the place near the bande ache and other island places.

it would be surprising we continue to operate with the same level of preparedness. it is important to raise the runway height to 20ft above sea level - perhaps elevated runways, is the ideal solution... at least assets can be safeguarded.


20ft is not enough ... if you look at last year's Japanese tsunami.

Seawalls Offered Little Protection Against Tsunami’s Crushing Waves
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The height of seawalls varies according to the predictions of the highest waves in a region. Critics say that no matter how high the seawalls are raised, there will eventually be a higher wave. Indeed, the waves from Friday’s tsunami far exceeded predictions for Japan’s northern region.

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Here's another article that mentions the height of the waves at some locations.
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The town of Taro believed it had the ultimate fort - a double-layered 33-foot-tall (10-meter-tall) seawall spanning 1.6 miles (2.5 kilometers) across a bay. It proved no match for the tsunami two months ago.
In Fudai, the waves rose as high as 66 feet (20 meters), as water marks show on the floodgate's towers. So some ocean water did flow over but it caused minimal damage. The gate broke the tsunami's main thrust. And the community is lucky to have two mountainsides flanking the gate, offering a natural barrier.
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the best defence against a Tsanumi is designed by mother nature, it is called a mangrove. The force of the wave is absorbed by the mangroves.


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no.. i did not say wall will protect us. I said elevated runway. 66ft elevation is possible... but what is the safest level needed needs to be determined first.. and if mangroves, and other blockers/diverts can help could be also designed... so, if we consider a layered block approach.. then mangroves can take the first hit, and subsequent hits by blocks and the diverted water away from the run ways. may be 20ft is enough then.

yes, mangrove can help a lot.. still elevation is preferred for ops continuity.

otoh, can't we build 3 storied lengthy RCC buildings, and use the special dedicated runways on top?


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if we develop a proper Tsunami warning mechanism.like what happened after 26th Dec Tsunami..... all the assets can be airborne at a 15mins to 20 mins notice after Triggering earthquake


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^^^

That will require war-time like readiness 24/7. Not possible if many assets located there.


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yes a certain % of assets are always in non flyable condition in the midst of repair.


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one question, maybe silly. i havent come across any material mentioning our MKIs can carry nuclear weapons. Can somebody please tell me whether they are nuclear capable or not?


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srai wrote:
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It was raised in Pune in 2009 but in October 2011 it moved to Jodhpur.


looks like i missed that.. anyways thanks for update!


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I had missed this ... Su-30MKI dropping a Griffin LGB at Vayu Shakti 2010:



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adityadange wrote:
one question, maybe silly. i havent come across any material mentioning our MKIs can carry nuclear weapons. Can somebody please tell me whether they are nuclear capable or not?


There was some news that a squadron of MKI s are being raised specifically for the nuclear command.


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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2012 22:26 
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From news reports, Strategic Forces Command has a requirement for 2 squadrons (40 aircrafts) of dedicated aerial platform for nuclear strike. Rumors had Mirage-2000/Su-30MKI as candidates.


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it would make sense to have a mix unit of Su30/Rafale for the role to take advantage of the combined might of both.


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pragnya wrote:
Rahul M wrote:


rahul,

the statesman link quotes a 'senior' IAF official and confirms that a squadron of SU 30MKI is based in kalaikunda airbase (30th sept 2011) which is not recorded in the BRF link above. can it be corrected please?

part of the actual quote - We are at present hosting an Su-30 MKI squadron in Kalaikunda, though we cannot divulge much details about its utility. Regular weapons practice, though, is underway with the Su-30 MKIs in Dudhkundi firing range,” said another senior IAF official.


adding on to the above, there is atleast one link which says Jodhpur 'does' base SU 30MKI 'albeit' not explicitly.

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Following the mishape all 120 Su-30 MKI in five bases (Pune, Bareilly, Tezpur, Chabua and Jodhpur) were grounded,


http://defense-update.com/20111217_indi ... blems.html

however there was enough reports in 2011 like this one which did speak of Jodhpur would get the MKIs.

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"We have decided to deploy two squadrons of Su-30MKI fighter squadrons in Jodhpur in next two years," South Western Air Command chief Air Marshal A K Gogoi told reporters here.

Gogoi is on a three-day visit to the air force bases in and around Jodhpur.

Jodhpur will be the first Su-30MKI base along the Pakistan border. Till now, the IAF has deployed its main strike fighter in Lohegaon near Pune, Bareilly, and Tezpur and Chabua in Assam.

IAF also plans to deploy the aircraft at its Halwara air base in Punjab.


http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... e-su-30mki


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^^^I have seen SU-30MKI in Jodhpur...as the base also hosts the civilian terminal, one can see the MKIs parked as the civilian a/c roll in and out.


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what is the number of SU 30MKIs in the IAF??

if one keeps aside the last order of 42 (supposed to carry brahmos/nirbhay) which will happen between 2014-2018, it is the balance of 230 which needs clarification.

IIRC Russia has delivered all the 50 of the first lot - by 2004, which means it is all about HAL.

now atleast till nov.2011 99 were delivered by HAL as per MOS Mr. Pallam Raju - confirmed by PIB. however ex HAL chairman Ashok Nayak had said 105 delivered -

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HAL’s boss Ashok Nayak has said recently that his corporation had delivered “about 105 Su-30MKI planes” to IAF, with the Indian Defence Ministry expected to order 42 fighters more, driving the total number of HAL-assembled Su-30MKIs up to 222 units.


but it is reasonable to expect more has been added as this quote of Mr. Ashok Nayak is atleast 7 months old. he retired in oct 2011. even if he made that statement at the very fag end of his tenure - now considering HAL was delivering 12/year it is safe to assume another 7 may have been delivered by HAL till date to bring the total to 112 (HAL supplied).

so total SU 30MKIs with IAF would be 50+112-3=159 as on today IMO. srai, CM??

added later : @aditya_V, thanks. corrected.


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pragnya wrote:
what is the number of SU 30MKIs in the IAF??

if one keeps aside the last order of 42 (supposed to carry brahmos/nirbhay) which will happen between 2014-2018, it is the balance of 230 which needs clarification.

IIRC Russia has delivered all the 50 of the first lot - by 2004, which means it is all about HAL.

now atleast till nov.2011 99 were delivered by HAL as per MOS Mr. Pallam Raju - confirmed by PIB. however ex HAL chairman Ashok Nayak had said 105 delivered -

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HAL’s boss Ashok Nayak has said recently that his corporation had delivered “about 105 Su-30MKI planes” to IAF, with the Indian Defence Ministry expected to order 42 fighters more, driving the total number of HAL-assembled Su-30MKIs up to 222 units.


but it is reasonable to expect more has been added as this quote of Mr. Ashok Nayak is atleast 7 months old. he retired in oct 2011. even if he made that statement at the very fag end of his tenure - now considering HAL was delivering 12/year it is safe to assume another 7 may have been delivered by HAL till date to bring the total to 112 (HAL supplied).

so total SU 30MKIs with IAF would be 50+112-3=159 as on today IMO. srai, CM??

added later : @aditya_V, thanks. corrected.



Delivery of the third batch of direct import is probably complete as indicated by AM Bhatia @ SP's. It could be very well 40+10+112+40-3=199. And under Nayak HAL assembled 16 units per year which is quite an achievement.


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That direct import batch of 40 is a bit of a mystery. There has been no news at all of any of those aircraft being delivered. Compared to that the deliveries of the Mig-29Ks and C-130s were covered by the media on multiple occasions.


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