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PostPosted: 02 Jul 2012 13:30 
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Great to Viveks name once again. Hope he cleared his blog of the back ground and started writing. Hope his health inproved also.


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PostPosted: 07 Jul 2012 15:47 
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Interview of Tikhomirov-NIIP Director General Yuri Bely

http://en.take-off.ru/pdf_to/to23.pdf

Some updates on PAK-FA radar , Su-30MKI upgrade has been proposed with AESA radar ,IAF has to make up its mind


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PostPosted: 10 Jul 2012 15:37 
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Dear all,
Cross posting from blog AA me... on FGFA updates.
http://www.aame.in/2012/07/india-relate ... ussia.html
Hope! Its not posted before.
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PostPosted: 19 Jul 2012 12:57 
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A report from an engine technology exhibition some time late 2011 detailing FGUP TsIAM's work.

http://engine.aviaport.ru/issues/79/pics/pg04.pdf

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As regards PAK-FA, TsIAM is delegated work regarding:

малоступенчатым высоконагруженным вентилятору и КВД с низкой массой;
A fewer staged, high loading fan and a low mass, HP compressor;

основной высокотемпературной камере сгорания;
The main high-temperature combustion chamber;

высокотемпературной одноступенчатой ТВД;
High-temperature, single-staged HP turbine;

легкой форсажной бесстабилизаторной камере сгорания;
A lean-burn combustion chamber without a stabilizer

цифровой САУ с полной ответственностью (FADEC).
FADEC


via keypubs link


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PostPosted: 19 Jul 2012 13:08 
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Location: havildar-major, 1st JSOC munna detachment.
http://www.xairforces.net/images/news/l ... 170512.jpg

this pic clearly shows the true essence of the pakfa airframe
2 big engines, 2 internal bays, lots of fuel and essentially a huge flying wing with a big radar.

i wonder if instead of speculated wvr aam, those housings under each wing will house side looking radar panels and EW gear.


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PostPosted: 19 Jul 2012 13:11 
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it resonates the russi design philiosophy in which every weapons platform can stand on its own, whether a plane or a ship unlike the amreeki one which places a huge emphasis on supporting platforms


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PostPosted: 19 Jul 2012 13:24 
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Big Airplanes with huge internal fuel is an absolute requirement for Russia be it Flanker , Mig-31 or PAK-FA ( for that matter even their transport aircraft ) because the country is one of the largest in the world almost 6-7 times the size of India and nearly twice the size of United States.

A smaller airframe has cascading effect on logistics be it more air bases or more aerial refulers to cover similar area and the entire end to end need to support such air base in remotest areas like electricity , fuel , transport , manpower needs etc ......a larger airframe affords them to have few air bases and consequently smaller logistics foot print as possible , Smaller airframes like Mig-29M/F-16 clas etc can just defend a given area VP/VA or city etc


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PostPosted: 20 Jul 2012 12:41 
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missions are getting longer and more loitering needed for targets of opportunity as well. the smaller planes like Ef/rafale/F16 have tried to cope by adding huge external fuel tanks which eats into their A2A moves, making them BVR missile trucks only. F15 was lucky enough to escape with a CFT and so I think we need to pursue Rafale CFT as well and free up the big inner pylons for quad-packed Helinas.

onlee the Su27+ family manages without drop tanks given their vast size.


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PostPosted: 20 Jul 2012 13:49 
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Those Teen , Rafale ,EF were designed and built for NATO requirement where generous amount of logistics , global bases ,supporting platforms like tankers and spares were available .....almost every 2nd country in the world or the next hop would have had some US/NATO bases or support for it it land and refuel.

They didnt needed big aircraft like SU needed it what they needed was electronic/weapons/sensor suite which they had and was a crucial edge over its rivals.

Big aircraft has its own perils when it comes to peace time operating cost , logistics and maintenance cost eating into any airforces Opex ..........in the end there are no bad choice it is just dictated by own airforce requirement for its environment , operational philosophy and doctrine.

I wonder if IAF will plumb the MKI for Drop Tanks add 3 x 2000 L Drop Tank on 3 hard point you can easily get 6000L of additional fuel and you still end up with 9 HP for weapons/sensors , good for sustained loitering when you cant tank up.


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PostPosted: 20 Jul 2012 13:55 
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good for DPSA too, with 2 x 2000L supersonic drop tanks, 3 nirbhay/2000lb LGB and 2-4 self protection AAM, while some dedicated 'escort' MKI will carry 8-10 AAMs only + fuel tanks instead.
the heavy nirbhays, KH59 and brahmos-A will increase fuel burn for sure.


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PostPosted: 20 Jul 2012 22:13 
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Singha wrote:
missions are getting longer and more loitering needed for targets of opportunity as well. the smaller planes like Ef/rafale/F16 have tried to cope by adding huge external fuel tanks which eats into their A2A moves, making them BVR missile trucks only. F15 was lucky enough to escape with a CFT and so I think we need to pursue Rafale CFT as well and free up the big inner pylons for quad-packed Helinas.

onlee the Su27+ family manages without drop tanks given their vast size.



I understand how larger aircraft with more fuel will be able to fly longer, but how does one say this authoritatively...and mathematically?

If the lift to weight ratio remains the same regardless of size of aircraft (of course it will) ...how does one calculate the range of an aircraft ?

Noob qn here.


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PostPosted: 20 Jul 2012 22:20 
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^^^ MKI is good for a lot.

OT here, but what is the LCA good for, and how can we develop it into something world leading? How can we beat the Rafale (for example) with an LCA ?


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PostPosted: 21 Jul 2012 01:26 
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In these type of systems, expertise, industrial base, continuous programs, maturity of the r&d setup to production engineering metters to beat RAfale, raptor etc. It would be always a catchup game even if one small mechanical piece is imported.

It is not an achievable objective to beat existing advanced flying machines, unless others lag behind by stopping their progams to allow us to catch up. they are going to be always advancing as well., so the gap will be always there.

now let us not blame ourselves, but at least maintain the same gap or shorten it if possible.


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PostPosted: 21 Jul 2012 01:51 
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mahadevbhu wrote:
How can we beat the Rafale (for example) with an LCA ?


Give the Rafale pilot a double gin and tonic for breakfast and tie his right hand to his left foot.


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PostPosted: 21 Jul 2012 01:55 
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eklavya wrote:
mahadevbhu wrote:
How can we beat the Rafale (for example) with an LCA ?


Give the Rafale pilot a double gin and tonic for breakfast and tie his right hand to his left foot.


If that does not work, try blindfolding the Rafale pilot.


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PostPosted: 21 Jul 2012 01:59 
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mahadevbhu wrote:
^^^ MKI is good for a lot.

OT here, but what is the LCA good for, and how can we develop it into something world leading? How can we beat the Rafale (for example) with an LCA ?

Beat the rafale in what? And I humbly request you to please continue this in the Newbie thread.


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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2012 17:53 
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http://www.filefactory.com/file/4ebc6rspm0jx/n/PAKFA_ZIP - PAK FA and T 50 Development


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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2012 18:11 
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anything on pdf lines, that can be opened without download?


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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2012 18:12 
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That is a pdf copy zipped. I have to upload it as I dont have any other way of sharing it.


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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2012 20:41 
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It asks me to register and signin, which I am trying to avoid.


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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2012 20:50 
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So what is all this PAK-DA bussiness. Any open reports yet?


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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2012 21:14 
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All free download slots are in use. You can download this file immediately by upgrading to FileFactory Premium. Otherwise, please feel free to try again shortly.

Retry Download


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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2012 21:30 
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GD, Rafale has CFTs:

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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2012 21:47 
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eklavya wrote:
mahadevbhu wrote:
How can we beat the Rafale (for example) with an LCA ?


Give the Rafale pilot a double gin and tonic for breakfast and tie his right hand to his left foot.

Ha ha ha. So funny. Bhindians are such hilarious guys..


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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2012 22:00 
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^+1 funny indeed


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PostPosted: 26 Jul 2012 19:42 
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^^^^

Bhindians kaayar hothe hain.

Wish we were a little braver. Sure LCA can screw the Rafale. Its up to us to make it good enough to do so. Lets rise to the technological challenge brothers.


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PostPosted: 26 Jul 2012 21:04 
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mahadevbhu wrote:
^^^^

Bhindians kaayar hothe hain.

Wish we were a little braver. Sure LCA can screw the Rafale. Its up to us to make it good enough to do so. Lets rise to the technological challenge brothers.


In theory, mahadevbhu-ji, you can also screw Kareena Kapoor; in practice, only Saif has the privilege. But it is certainly good to "rise" to the challenge!


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PostPosted: 26 Jul 2012 22:10 
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^^^ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


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PostPosted: 26 Jul 2012 22:30 
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Just incase if any one could not download the AFM article posted by Andy here it is

AFM: Sukhoi T-50 Follow On Flanker

http://www.mediafire.com/?auksfyy9oz898c4

Guys take all the Katrina , Rise and Fall to the Rafale thread.


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PostPosted: 03 Aug 2012 15:19 
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PAK-FA ( July 31 )

http://russianplanes.net/images/to83000/082341.jpg
http://russianplanes.net/id82328


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PostPosted: 03 Aug 2012 17:52 
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I wonder if on FPGA it might be feasible to change those huge landing gear struts and wheels to a more normal size and thus make it lighter and/or carve out more internal fuel tank space...(not sure what lies near the current landing wheel bays)


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PostPosted: 03 Aug 2012 20:47 
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any significance of the red and yellow strip design on the inlet?

they were talking about plasma stealth for the inlets.


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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2012 07:08 
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Third PAK-FA (T-50-3) Prototype Tests AESA Radar : Agency


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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2012 18:24 
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cool.. the video of the radar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVpvZoKHT0s

now, they have the right platform to focus on brahmos and novator integration. India should get the APIs to integrate, and start working on the brahmos integration.. and ensure the MKI upgrades can get a version of this radar.


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PostPosted: 11 Aug 2012 09:20 
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Nice Pic

http://fotkidepo.ru/photo/401381/45305A ... 797285.jpg
http://fotkidepo.ru/photo/401381/45305A ... 797286.jpg
http://fotkidepo.ru/photo/401381/45305A ... 797283.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8435/7745 ... d15a_b.jpg

PAK-FA and Mig-29M2

http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20120809/1 ... 000809.jpg
http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20120809/1 ... 007552.jpg
http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20120809/1 ... 003079.jpg
http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20120809/1 ... 009429.jpg
http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20120809/1 ... 001736.jpg
http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20120809/1 ... 600293.jpg
http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20120809/1 ... 001323.jpg


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PostPosted: 13 Aug 2012 19:31 
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PAK-FA / T-50 Russian Air Force 100th Anniversary Air Show 2012



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PostPosted: 15 Aug 2012 17:02 
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Sukhoi starts tests on PAK-FA’s radar

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Sukhoi says it has started testing an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar on its fifth-generation T-50 PAK-FA fighter in a statement issued on 8 August.

The company says that the radar is showing "considerable progress" in ground and flight testing. The performance demonstrated so far "corresponds to the existing level of best aviation systems available elsewhere", Sukhoi says. There are currently three flying T-50 prototypes, but only one is equipped with an AESA.

The Tikhomirov NIIP-developed AESA employs "advanced technologies of electronic control over the radar beam", Sukhoi says, which is a first for a Russian-built set.

The new radar will not only afford the PAK-FA the ability to detect targets from greater ranges, it will also enable the simultaneous use of air-to-air and air-to-surface modes. The radar can also engage several targets at a time using precision-guided munitions. Additionally, it features built-in target recognition and classification capabilities as well as secure communications and electronic countermeasures.

Sukhoi says that there is a growth path to integrating additional capabilities to the new AESA radar. But, because the system is designed to be modular, there could be other potential applications for the new system including retrofits to older aircraft types or even air defence systems, the company says.

Sukhoi also is continuing to wring-out other systems onboard the PAK-FA. For example, testing of the jet's "optical channels" has started, the company says. Additionally, a fourth PAK-FA prototype could soon be joining the test fleet.


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PostPosted: 15 Aug 2012 17:03 
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few high res pic

http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/moin/V ... s-1269.jpg
http://sukhoi.org/img/gallery/wallpaper/_SPL8853.jpg
http://maks.sukhoi.ru/media/photo/maks2 ... m2_065.jpg


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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2012 16:41 
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The new radar will not only afford the PAK-FA the ability to detect targets from greater ranges, it will also enable the simultaneous use of air-to-air and air-to-surface modes. The radar can also engage several targets at a time using precision-guided munitions.


Phew! that sounds like a lot for one SDRE jock to do! With my limited flight sim experience, the best way I can think of using such a radar would be to have the option of toggling the air-to-air & air-to-surface targets between the HMD and the HUD. That way, while I'm attacking ground targets using the HUD I can always keep an eye on any air targets on the HMD and vice versa. But it's still quite a lot of data coming at you! So it's good that we decided to go with two heads for this bird as well!


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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2012 18:04 
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Austin wrote:

what a pic! wow! just fantastic-o!

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what is the rustic mark on both the inlets {after the cowl?} under the belly?


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