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Theory of Spanish Political Class

It applies to Indian political elite also.

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In this article I propose a theory of Spain's political class to make a case for the urgent, imperious need to change our voting system and adopt a majority system. A good theory of Spain's political class should at least explain the following issues:

1. How is it possible that five years after the crisis began, no political party has a coherent diagnosis of what is going on in Spain?

2. How is it possible that no political party has a credible long-term plan or strategy to pull Spain out of the crisis? How is it possible that Spain's political class seems genetically incapable of planning?

3. How is it possible that Spain's political class is incapable of setting an example? How is it possible that nobody - except the king and for personal motives at that - has ever apologized for anything?

4. How is it possible the most obvious strategy for a better future - improving education, encouraging innovation, development and entrepreneurship, and supporting research - is not just being ignored, but downright massacred with spending cuts by the majority parties?


In the following lines I posit that over the last few decades, Spain's political class has developed its own particular interest above the general interest of the nation, which it sustains through a system of rent-seeking. In this sense it is an extractive elite, to use the term popularized by Acemoglu and Robinson. Spanish politicians are the main culprits of the real estate bubble, of the savings banks collapse, of the renewable energy bubble and of the unnecessary infrastructure bubble. These processes have put Spain in the position of requiring European bailouts, a move which our political class has resisted to the bitter end because it forces them to implement reforms that erode their own particular sphere of interest. A legal reform that enforced a majority voting system would make elected officials accountable to their voters instead of to their party leaders; it would mark a very positive turn for Spanish democracy and it would make the structural reforms easier.

THE HISTORY

The politicians who participated in the transition process from Franco's regime to democracy came from very diverse backgrounds: some had worked for Franco, others had been in exile and yet others were part of the illegal opposition within national borders. They had neither a collective spirit nor a particular group interest. These individuals made two major decisions that shaped the political class that followed them. The first was to adopt a proportional representation voting system with closed, blocked lists. The goal was to consolidate the party system by strengthening the internal power of their leaders, which sounded reasonable in a fledgling democracy. The second decision was to strongly decentralize the state with many devolved powers for regional governments. The evident dangers of excessive decentralization were to be conjured by the cohesive role of the great national parties and their strong leaderships. It seemed like a sensible plan.

But four imponderables resulted in the young Spanish democracy acquiring a professional political class that quickly grew dysfunctional and monstrous. The first was the proportional system with its closed lists. For a long time now, members of party youth groups get themselves on the voting lists on the sole merit of loyalty to their leaders. This system has turned parties into closed rooms full of people where nobody dares open the windows despite the stifling atmosphere. The air does not flow, ideas do not flow, and almost nobody in the room has personal direct knowledge of civil society or the real economy. Politics has become a way of life that alternates official positions with arbitrarily awarded jobs at corporations, foundations and public agencies, as well as sinecures at private regulated companies that depend on the government to prosper.

{By rewarding dynastic politics India also established a closed political list which is a defacto proportional voting system with quotas for groups}

Secondly, the decentralization of the state, which began in the early 1980s, went much further than was imaginable when the Constitution was approved. As Enric Juliana notes in his recent book Modesta España (or, Modest Spain), the controlled top-down decentralization was quicky overtaken by a bottom-up movement led by local elites to the cry of "We want no less!" As a result, there emerged 17 regional governments, 17 regional parliaments and literally thousands of new regional companies and agencies whose ultimate goal in many cases was simply to extend paychecks and bonuses. In the absence of established procedures for selecting staff, politicians simply appointed friends and relatives, which led to a politicized patronage system. The new political class had created a rent-seeking system - that is to say, a system that does not create new wealth but appropriates existing wealth - whose sewers were a channel for party financing.

Thirdly, political parties' internal power was decentralized even faster than the public administration. The notion that the Spain of the Regions could be managed by the two majority parties (the conservative Popular Party and the Socialists) fell apart when the regional "barons" accumulated power and, like the Earl of Warwick, became kingmakers within their own parties. This accelerated the decentralization and loss of control over the regional savings banks. Regional governments quickly passed laws to take over the cajas de ahorros, then filled the boards with politicians, unionists, friends and cronies. Under their leadership, the savings banks financed or created yet more businesses, agencies and affiliated foundations with no clear goal other than to provide yet more jobs for people with the right connections.

Additionally, Spain's political class has colonized areas that are not the preserve of politics, such as the Constitutional Court, the General Council of the Judiciary (the legal watchdog), the Bank of Spain and the CNMV (the market watchdog). Their politicized nature has strangled their independence and deeply delegitimized them, severely deteriorating our political system. But there's more. While it invaded new terrain, the Spanish political class abandoned its natural environment: parliament. Congress is not just the place where laws are made; it is also the institution that must demand accountability. This essential role completely disappeared in Spain many years ago. The downfall of Bankia, played out grotesquely in last July's parliamentary appearances, is just the latest in a long series of cases that Congress has decided to treat as though they were natural disasters, like an earthquake, which has victims but no culprits.

THE BUBBLES

These processes created a political system in which institutions are excessively politicized and where nobody feels responsible for their actions because nobody is held accountable. Nobody within the system questions the rent-seeking that conforms the particular interest of Spain's political class. This is the background for the real estate bubble and the failure of most savings banks, as well as other "natural disasters" and "acts of God" that our politicians are so good at creating. And they do so not so much out of ignorance or incompetence but because all these acts generate rent.

The Spanish real estate bubble was, in relative terms, the largest of the three that are at the origin of today's global crisis, the US bubble and the Irish bubble being the other two. There is no doubt that, like the others, it fed on low interest rates and macroeconomic imbalances on a global scale. But unlike the US, in Spain decisions regarding what gets built where are taken at the political level. In Spain, the political class inflated the real estate bubble through direct action, not omission or oversight. City planning is born out of complex, opaque negotiations which, besides creating new buildings, also give rise to party financing and many personal fortunes, both among the owners of rezoned land and those doing the rezoning. As if this power were not enough, by transferring control of the savings banks to regional governments the politicians also had power of decision over who received money to build. This represented a quantum leap in the Spanish political class' capacity for rent-seeking. Five years on, the situation could not be more bleak. The Spanish economy will not grow for many years to come. The savings banks have disappeared, mostly due to bankruptcy.

The other two bubbles I will mention are a result of the peculiar symbiosis between our political class and Spanish capitalists who live off government favors. At a recent meeting, a well-known foreign investor called it "an incestuous relationship" while a Spanish investor talked about "a collusion against consumers and taxpayers." Be that as it may, let us first discuss the renewable energy bubble. Spain represents two percent of world GDP yet it is paying 15 percent of the global total of renewable energy subsidies. This absurd situation, which was sold to the public as a move that would put Spain on the forefront of the fight against climate change, creates lots of fraud and corruption, and naturally captured rent, too. In order to finance these subsidies, Spanish households and businesses pay the highest electricity rates in all of Europe, which seriously undermines the competitiveness of our economy. Despite these exaggerated prices, the Spanish power system debt is several million euros a year, with an accumulated debt of over 24 billion euros that nobody knows how to pay.

The last bubble I will discuss concerns the countless unnecessary infrastructure projects built in the last two decades at an astronomical cost, benefiting the builders and hurting the taxpayers. One of the most scandalous cases is the spoke highways into and out of Madrid. Meant to improve traffic flows into the capital, the radiales were built with no thought given to important principles of prudence and good management. First, rash forecasts were made regarding the potential traffic on these roads (currently it is 30 percent of expectations and not because of the crisis; there was no traffic in boom times, either.) The government allowed the builders and the concessionaires to be essentially the same people. This is madness, because when builders disguised themselves as license holders through companies with very little capital and huge debt, builders basically got money from the concessionaires to build the highways, and when there was no traffic, they threatened to let the latter go broke. The main creditors were - surprise! - the savings banks. So nobody knows how to pay the more than three billion euros in debt, which will ultimately fall on the taxpayers' shoulders.

THE THEORY

The principle is very simple. Spain's political class has not only turned itself into a special interest group, like air traffic controllers for example; it has taken a step further and formed an extractive elite in the sense given to this term by Acemoglu and Robinson in their recent and already famous book Why Nations Fail. An extractive elite is defined by:

"Having a rent-seeking system which allows, without creating new wealth, for the extraction of rent from a majority of the population for one's own benefit."

"Having enough power to prevent an inclusive institutional system - in other words, a system that distributes political and economic power broadly, that respects the rule of law and free market rules."


Abominating the 'creative destruction' that characterizes the most dynamic forms of capitalism. In Schumpeter's words, "creative destruction is the process of industrial mutation that incessantly revolutionizes the economic structure from within, incessantly destroying the old one, incessantly creating a new one." Innovation tends to create new centers of power, and that's why it is detested.

What does this simple theory have to say about the four questions set forth at the beginning of this article? Let us see
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1. Spain's political class, as an extractive elite, cannot effect a reasonable diagnosis of the crisis. It was their rent-seeking mechanisms that provoked it, but obviously they cannot say that. The Spanish political class needs to defend, as it is indeed doing to a man, that the crisis is an act of God, something that comes from the outside, unpredictable by nature, and in the face of which we can only show resignation.

2. Spain's political class, as an extractive elite, cannot have any exit strategy other than waiting for the storm to pass. Any credible long-term plan must include the dismantling of the rent-seeking mechanisms that the political class benefits from. And this is not an option.

3. Nobody apologizes for defending their particular interests. Air traffic controllers didn't, and neither will our politicians.

4. Just as the theory of extractive elites states, Spanish political parties share a great contempt for education, innovation and entrepreneurship, and a deep-seated hostility towards science and research. The loud arguments over the civics education course Educación para la Ciudadanía are in stark contrast with the thick silence regarding the truly relevant problems of our education system. Meanwhile, innovation and entrepreneurship languish in the midst of regulatory deterrents and punitive fiscal measures. And spending on scientific research is viewed as a luxury that politicians cut back savagely on, given half a chance.


THE FORECAST

The crisis has underscored the conflict between the particular interest of Spain's political class and Spain's general interest. The necessary reforms to keep the country in the euro are in direct conflict with the rent-seeking mechanisms that sustain this particular interest. On one hand, budget stability requires a structural reduction of spending in public administration that is upwards of five percent of GDP. This cannot be achieved with further superficial cuts; now we need deep reforms that will reduce the main source of rent for the political class. On the other hand, in order to grow, the Spanish economy needs to become more competitive. The necessary reforms to make that happen will also make it more difficult to create new bubbles.

The infinite reluctance with which our political class is tackling the reform process illustrates how, collectively at least, it is pondering the consequences that these reforms will have on their particular interest. The government is deliberately getting reform confused with cost-cutting and tax hikes, offering the second rather than the first in the hopes that the storm will let up and that, in the end, nothing really essential will have to be changed. But since this is not going to happen, at some point the Spanish political class will have to consider the conundrum of either seriously embracing reform or abandoning the single currency. And this, I believe, is going to happen sooner rather than later.

The theory of extractive elites predicts that the particular interest will tend to prevail over the general interest. I see a likely scenario in which both majority parties will quickly develop a "pro peseta" sentiment. The confusion created between cuts and reforms has the perverse consequences of preventing the population from seeing the long-term advantage of the reforms, although it does feel the short-term pain of cuts that are invariably presented as a foreign imposition. This creates the necessary conditions to present a departure from the single currency as a defense of national sovereignty in the face of outside aggression and unacceptable cuts to the welfare state.

Leaving the euro, either on its own initiative or because northern countries have gotten tired of living with southern ones, would be disastrous for Spain. It would mean, as Jesús Fernández-Villaverde, Luis Garicano and Tano Santos accurately wrote in EL PAÍS last June, a return to the 1950s economically speaking, but also a return to the patronage system and a political and social corruption that would take us back to much earlier dates and amply surpass today's situation, which is already very bad.

There is a very significant danger of all this happening in the short term. Can something be done to avoid it? Not much, except to keep publishing articles like this one. Spain's political class has no short-term alternatives. In the long run it does, as I will now explain.

ELECTORAL REFORM

Spain's political class, as we have seen, is the result of several factors, chiefly the proportional representation system with closed, blocked lists that are drafted by party leaders. This system grants the latter enormous power and has produced a dysfunctional political class. There is no perfect electoral system, but because of everything that's been discussed here, Spain should change its voting system to obtain a more functional political class. First-past-the-post systems produce elected officials who answer to their voters, instead of just to their leaders. As a result, party leaderships have less power and the representation afforded by the polls is less influenced by the media. These are the advantages. There are also drawbacks. A proportional system ends up awarding seats to minority parties that might not get any with a majority system. This would hurt state-wide minority parties, but benefit regional minority parties. In any case, the most relevant feature of a majority system is that the voters have power of decision over the parties and over the candidates who are elected, and this right now is a peremptory need in Spain that compensates the drawbacks of the system. It would not heal all wounds, but it would very likely create a different political class more attuned to Spain's needs. In Italy, there is an imminent legal initiative to change the current proportional system to a corrected majority system. It seems that the technocratic government of Mario Monti has reached similar conclusions to my own here: without changing a dysfunctional political class, one cannot embrace an ambitious program of reform. As I once heard former Socialist Economy Minister Carlos Solchaga say, a "technocrat" is a politician who also happens to be knowledgeable about a topic. How long until we have electoral reform in Spain? Will we have to wait for the "technocrats"?
Read for yourself and ponder how solutions appropriate to Indian elite have to be brought up to prevent the Spanish road of self destruction.
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^^^^ Ramana,

Fantastic post ! Every once in a while there is sheer brilliance like this post on BRF. It is to read post like these that I became a member here !

Every political elite in History has had and if it didnt have to start with, developed very quickly the "rent-seeking" mentality. I guess this mentality comes natural to all humans and is fundamentally the root of all evil within human societies and will ultimately lead to its destruction and extinction. All kinds of philosophies and exisgencies are invented to justify this "rent-seeking" mentality and certainly no natural or man made calamity is left not taken advantage of by the opportunist parasites among us humans to position themselves to extract rent.

Despite all the criticism leveled against the US and its system by everyone else, who are pastmasters and products of these "rent-seeking" elite dominated societies, I would venture to say that US elite has less "rent-seeking" mindset, by far, far less than any in History by a large degree. It is this difference in degree that makes it the most powerful society in history and a somehwhat pleasant place to live in, even for the poor and the "just off the boat" types. Please pay attention to the nuance of what I said. Pay special attention to my words, "less" and "in degree". I am not making an absolute statement here, as after all US is also made up of humans, not super-humans. I am also here not giving "ALL" credit to US elites or its people, although they deserve quite a bit, historical factors, richness of natural resources and some good fortune has a bit to do with it too.

In my opinion, it is this fundamental difference(in rent-seeking mentality) between all other human societies in History and the US, at least as it exists today, that makes it an "exceptional society", which Americans love to claim for all kinds of reasons, some of them having nothing to do with this difference in "rent seeking" mindset.

As regards your reference to India taking lessons from the content of your post above, I regret to say that India is on its way to becoming the worst "rent-seeking" oriented society in History. And it will keep getting worst, because of the acceptance of this mentality by a vast majority of our population. The struggle now is not to overthrow this rent-seeking mentality but to get into the position of collecting rent. All our individual, family, sub group, group, regional and national effort is exclusively directed at getting into the position to collect rent and nothing else. This makes us the polar opposite of the US society today and I belive that at its heart, this is the main reason, not US support of Pak, why despite all similarities and shared interests, the American middle class and the Indian middle class feel and will continue to feel estranged from each other.

This is also the reason why there sometimes is a misunderstanding between the NRIs, particularly American NRIs and the rest of the Indians. The American NRIs having experienced a society with less rent collecting mentality and its results, think that India and Indians can change and become America overnight, notwithstanding history and all the other powerful forces pushing it in the other direction. The non NRI Indians think of American Indian NRIs as drunk on money and success, West worshipping, confused and hearless bunch that has no sympathy for them. But at its heart, it is this "rent collection" mindset that is the cause of this chasm between the two group of Indians.
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Met a Lady MP form India from a major political party who has been elected since 2004. She is in the committee for Women affairs, agriculture etc. She gave the current status of the political system in Bharat and she used the word CT!
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Acharya wrote:Met a Lady MP form India from a major political party who has been elected since 2004. She is in the committee for Women affairs, agriculture etc. She gave the current status of the political system in Bharat and she used the word CT!

CT ??? What is CT, old chap ?
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who is old chap?
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Acharya wrote:who is old chap?

No, no, its just an old expression to use for a friend. Has no allusion to age at all. Not at all. Sorry, I thought pretty much everyone knew that expression. I tend to use it all the time for friends, although, technically you are not a friend.
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I am dissapointed
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^^^ Cure for your disappointment.

Old chap !
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rsangram, i didnt write the post. I was pointed to it by a dear member to whom I owe the link. The bolding and italics are mine.

And in a homgenous polity we will see the regualr churning among themselves which passes as modern thinking. In a few decades we will see how they cope with vested interests and proportional representation. Already we see the same extractive elites at work among the minorities and inner cities of US.

Carrol Quigley came up with the "History of Civilizations" the idea of cycles of power and vested interests.
Acharya, Old chap is like bandhu in Bengali!

Do enlighten us on her CT.
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Posted the article to show the thinking in Indian Universities and Media professionals.

Only Maoists, LET Hafiz Saaed, ULFA, 1984 RIots, Assam Riots should go unpunished.

Death is entirely discriminatory

Maya Kodani has got 28 years for a hate speech and may be deservedly so, if that is a criteria how many secular politicos, Leftists, Activists, NGO's, Media professionals need to be punished.
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28 years just for hate speech?!?! is this "legal" as per our Constitution?
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Is denying heritage a hate crime?

Any one/two line basic understanding of hate crime could be apt, rather than just accepting 'hate speech' nomenclature as decided by pseudo secularism.
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http://ibnlive.in.com/news/rushdie-unce ... 77-40.html

Puke alert: Sagarika Ghosh's interview of Salman Rushdie
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ramana wrote:rsangram, i didnt write the post. I was pointed to it by a dear member to whom I owe the link. The bolding and italics are mine.

And in a homgenous polity we will see the regualr churning among themselves which passes as modern thinking. In a few decades we will see how they cope with vested interests and proportional representation. Already we see the same extractive elites at work among the minorities and inner cities of US.

Carrol Quigley came up with the "History of Civilizations" the idea of cycles of power and vested interests.
Acharya, Old chap is like bandhu in Bengali!

Do enlighten us on her CT.
You may be right that in due course, like all societies, and given enough time, US will probably also fall prey to "rent collection" mindset. If it does not make a very conscious and almost super human effort as a people and a society to avoid falling into that fate, chances are that it will fall prey to it like all other humans have.

But that is not the point, really, is it ? The point is that while it is still somewhat not in that abyss of "rent collection mindset", the US society has given us a glimpse into what can be and what kind of works. While in history, different societies may have been relatively free of this "rent collection mindset" (I really dont even know, how true this statement is), in our lifetime, US is the only one that is relatively unscathed from that malignancy. And the lesson that can be learnt from the American experience so far is that, the less the "rent collection" mentality, not only is it a more moral society, it is practically a better working society, a stronger society, a more pleasant experience for the members of that society, even in practical terms. Therefore, the point is not whether US is able to forestall its descent into the abyss - who cares, really ? The question is whether we Indians, despite falling so far into that abyss, can pull ourselves out of it, against the currents of history and despite the tremendous collective will and energy required to do so, that we will survive as a basically decent human society. The question is whether we will learn from history and the present and from other people's experience and start to coalesce around the idea of overthrowing this "rent collection" mentality not only from other's within our society but also from within ourselves to be able to survive as human beings. If not, we may survive, but not as humans, we will probably survive as cockroaches, or worse, Islamists.
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nakul wrote:http://ibnlive.in.com/news/rushdie-unce ... 77-40.html

Puke alert: Sagarika Ghosh's interview of Salman Rushdie
Don't you think this interview can be considered as Blasphemy by the faithfool and she might be right to be declared Wajib-ul -Cutlet?
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Views from the Right
Critical judgment

Two weeks after a special court’s verdict convicting 32 persons, including BJP MLA Maya Kodnani, in the Naroda Patiya case, one of the Sangh Parivar weeklies, Organiser, continues to be sharply critical of the landmark judgment. In its latest issue, Organiser claims that “Maya, many others [were] convicted on tutored, false and fabricated charges”.

Criticising the “Indian secularists and pro-Islamic activists” behind the “stop Modi industry”, the article praises Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi’s government for its “impartial, non-interfering approach” that ensured that “every single riot case was investigated and arrests made”, lamenting attempts at “tarnishing the image of the state, manufacturing evidence and witnesses”.

The article seeks to question Judge Jyotsna Yagnik’s motivations, saying that she was “once a junior lawyer of known Congress leader Manubhai Pa-lkhiwala” and that her “monologue [the verdict]... ignored crucial evidence” that could have exonerated Kodnani and the others.

The article further faults the judgment for awarding separate jail terms, claiming that while it “makes [for] good headlines”, justice should be “done convincingly, not arbitrarily”.

OUT OF FAVOUR

Organiser’s editorial describes Arvind Kejriwal as a “crass opportunist”, signalling the Sangh Parivar’s disillusionment with the anti-corruption campaign. The editorial charges Kejriwal with acting in “favour of the Congress”.

In an editorial that alleges that protests against the Koodankulam nuclear plant are being managed by “Christian missionaries”, Organiser describes Kejriwal as “the latest headline monger” to have come out in support of the agitation. It says that Kejriwal has started to “co-opt several issues of interest... to the Congress” in his eagerness to “ to grab attention as part of his scheme to jump on to the political bandwagon”.

Organiser has described the lead anti-Koodankulam agitator, S.P. Udaykumar, as only the “Hindu Face” projected by the church to “debunk the accusation of its involvement”. In addition, Organiser has also advanced the theory that the protests “spring from American interests” as a strategy to “scuttle” projects like Koodankulam, being developed with Russian help, and Jaitapur, with French partnership.

Rahul Bashing

Having used the negative publicity received by the prime minister in foreign media to criticise the government, the Sangh Parivar’s Hindi weekly, Panchjanya, has another opportunity to criticise Rahul Gandhi in the wake of The Economist’s article on him. Panchjanya’s editorial focuses on Rahul Gandhi and wonders whether the Gandhi family scion is avoiding taking responsibility within the government for “fear of failure”. Organiser, too, reports that “The Economist hits Rahul where it hurts most”.

Beefing Up

The latest issue of Panchjanya reports on a fringe group’s plan to host a beef party at Jawaharlal Nehru University in the national capital. Though the party did not happen, Panchjanya wonders whether this is an attempt to “convert” JNU into “Osmania University”, alleging that students there managed to host a beef party. The article contends that these attempts try to create a wedge within society.

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Another institution that India has to keep an eye on . . .

The Hindu centre for Politics and Public Policy
The Hindu Centre will be guided by an Advisory Board comprising eminent scholars and public intellectuals: Zoya Hasan, Dean of the School of Social Sciences, Jawaharlal Nehru University; Pratap Bhanu Mehta, President and CEO, Centre for Policy Research, New Delhi; Yogendra Yadav, Senior Fellow, Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, Delhi; Gurcharan Das, management expert, author, and commentator on public affairs; and Martha Nussbaum, Ernst Freund Distinguished Service Professor of Law and Ethics, University of Chicago.

The Board of Management will comprise N. Ram, N. Ravi, and Malini Parthasarathy. Malini Parthasarathy will be the Director of the Centre.

Among the activities of The Hindu Centre will be:

Sponsoring and guiding research on significant issues of politics and public policy by awarding year-long Fellowships to scholars to conduct research and provide reports on long-term political and constitutional issues requiring further exploration.

Engaging public policy scholars to study specific current policy issues over a shorter time frame and come up with reports that will be fed into the public domain periodically.

Providing a platform for dialogue and discussion through hosting seminars and workshops involving leading political scientists, leaders, and activists working towards a resolution of intractable issues. Where appropriate, The Hindu Centre will host ‘Track-Two’ type dialogues and seminars on internal conflicts that will seek to increase public understanding of the disputes that remain thorny points in our political discourse — such as understanding the alienation of the Kashmir Valley, the intensifying ethnic-cultural conflicts in the Northeast, and the continuing Maoist insurgency.

From time to time, hosting lectures by leading public figures and political philosophers to raise the awareness of the general public as to their rights as citizens and stakeholders in the democratic process.

The outcome of the Centre’s research and programmes will be made available at its website, which will be updated frequently and provide in itself a lively platform for exchanges with the wider public.
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That looks more like a Divide India Think Tank
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Acemoglu and Robinson in their book on "Why Nations Fail" say
INSTITUTIONAL DIFFERENCES PLAY the critical role in explaining economic growth throughout the ages. But if most societies in history are based on extractive political and economic institutions, does this imply that growth never takes place? Obviously not. Extractive institutions, by their very logic, must create wealth so that it can be extracted. A ruler monopolizing political power and in control of a centralized state can introduce some degree of law and order and a system of rules, and stimulate economic activity.

{License-Quota-Permit Raj of India and we were led to think it was the Tatas and Birlas that created it.}

But growth under extractive institutions differs in nature from growth brought forth by inclusive institutions. Most important, it will be not sustained growth that requires technological change, but rather growth based on existing technologies. The economic trajectory of the Soviet Union provides a vivid illustration of how the authority and incentives provided by the state can spearhead rapid economic growth under extractive institutions and how this type of growth ultimately comes to an end and collapses.

In case of India under the LQP raj collapsed in 1991 under the balance of payments crisis. In FSU the political order changed but not in India. The same old politicians put on new clothes and claimed to be a new order and their loot increased with the economy.
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Rajaji was totally opposed to this LQP raj.
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Desai questions 'suitability' of Gita in modern India

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Professor Emeritus of London School of Economics Lord Meghnad Desai on Wednesday said the Bhagavad Gita was not "a suitable text for modern India".

"Why are we respecting the text uncritically, which has so many flaws?" he asked while delivering a lecture on "The Bhagavad Gita: A secular inquiry into A sacred text" at AN Sinha Institute of Social Studies.

He said: "The Bhagavad Gita has many flaws and certain questions should be raised by us. My purpose is to analyse and deconstruct the text. I am trying to read the Bhagavad Gita as a secular text and not as a sacred text. I am putting certain questions to the authorship though multiple authors are there."

Desai added that there are certain elements in the text of the Bhagavad Gita which are not suitable in modern India.

The Professor Emeritus said: "In the text, it has been asked to do karma without thinking about the consequences. How can it be said that we should not think about the consequences? Whatever we do affects others too. For example, if I start drinking and then driving without thinking about the consequences, I might kill many people on the road."

He added: "If I do that, I might have to go for psychological examination. It is not possible that we go on thinking just about doing karma without thinking about others. How can we think only about ourselves and not others and go on killing people."

Desai said the people should think about the consequences so that we do not harm others by our actions.

At the lecture organised by Nalanda University, he also talked about women and observed that women had not been mentioned in the text anywhere.

He said: "Women have not been mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita anywhere. It is just two shlokas where they have been mentioned. One among the two is that mentioned in 9.32 (chapter 9, verse 32) that is mam hi partha vyapasritya ye 'pi syuh papa-yonayah striyo vaisyas tatha sudras te 'pi yanti param gatim. The translation for this is ' son of Pritha, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth, women, vaishyas [merchants] and shudras [workers] can attain the supreme destination.' This is again to be thought about."

Meghnad Jagdishchandra Desai is an Indian-born British economist and Labour politician.

Hetukar Jha, the head of the department of sociology, Patna University, chaired the event. The officer on special duty (academic affairs and university development), Nalanda University, was also present on the occasion. Asian Development Research Institute founder member Shaibal Gupta and Gopa Sabharwal, the vice-chancellor of Nalanda University, were also present at the event.
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We need these colonial Indians out of India. They are still around to create harm to India
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Acharya, he does not live in India to be sent out. He was invited by somebody here.
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^^^Wake me up the day lawd desai conducts a "secular" inquiry into the Quran... the wild-eyed pious beards will take him into their loving care after that.
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These sort of chaps will say any sensational shite provided they think it will get them a little attention, of the safe controversy type, a few of their own ilk will nod their heads in agreement, and they will forget about it before dinner and booze. A useless old fart, who may have seen better days intellectually and certainly sartorially as well as in terms of hair days...
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SSridhar wrote:Acharya, he does not live in India to be sent out. He was invited by somebody here.
He is mentally inside India and influences the ruling elite
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Don't have a problem with Lawd Desai's statement this time around...though he is typically quite obnoxious.

If the culture of investigating sacred texts for dogma-driven and questionable parts takes hold - its Islam and Christianity that have the most to lose and Hinduism the most to gain.

So I am all for it, as long as this spirit of skepticism is carried over to all scriptures.
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Arjun wrote:Don't have a problem with Lawd Desai's statement this time around...though he is typically quite obnoxious.

If the culture of investigating sacred texts for dogma-driven and questionable parts takes hold - its Islam and Christianity that have the most to lose and Hinduism the most to gain.

So I am all for it, as long as this spirit of skepticism is carried over to all scriptures.
The monotheists have a long tradition of questioning everyone's scriptures except their own. (No wonder, Christian texts are "theology" while other's texts are called "mythology.")

The "lord" is playing to the gallery of Bible thumpers in the British parliament. But if you think he will similarly question the Bible -- well, don't hold your breath. The dude knows who the masters are -- all his status in the British society is conditional on toeing the line that has been clearly set for house negroes.
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nawabs wrote:The Professor Emeritus said: "In the text, it has been asked to do karma without thinking about the consequences. How can it be said that we should not think about the consequences? Whatever we do affects others too. For example, if I start drinking and then driving without thinking about the consequences, I might kill many people on the road."
This debate of moralism as defined in the Gita as consequentialism vs Deontology is an age-old one....There have been a number of academic papers that argue for both sides.

Lawd Desai must be quite a fool if he is unaware of the fact that Gita has been interpreted by many to be more consequentialist than deontological.
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These guys are best kept away from our texts. They have the capability to pronounce the Bible & Koran as enlightening & uplifting via "secular" enquiry. The masters have trained them well. Reminds me of the film stars who shout about providing clean water for the masses but line up to defend Coca Cola for leaving pesticidal residues in water.
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Not reform vs populism
It is tempting to characterise the current impasse in Indian politics as a clash between reformers and populists. On this view, the government has, belatedly, woken up to reform and is now being obstructed by a motley crew of opportunists and populists. It would be terrific if the spectrum of Indian politics could be defined in these terms; at least, it will bring the focus back to economics. Many of the government’s decisions are welcome; a signal of intent was long overdue. Our economic situation is dire. A run on the rupee caused by bad fiscal management or the current account deficit may add colossally more to inflation than any diesel price increases. But it is still too premature to conclude that this is a contest between reformers and populists. It is still, at best, a contest over the marginal thresholds of economic rationality below which we will not fall. And these thresholds are determined by where you sit.

This is so for a number of reasons. First, the advantage of a crisis is that you have no option but to reform. Or else, you perish. The disadvantage is that your understanding of why a particular reform took place, and its extent, is limited by the logic of overcoming the crisis. It does not, by itself, generate an irrevocable momentum for greater reform. We saw that in 1991 when reform slowed down after the first couple of years. We saw that again in the early part of the last decade when consensus on things like fiscal responsibility and regulatory clarity quickly dissipated. Even now, the crisis framing, while providing a necessary justification for action, does little to embed reforms in a larger expanse. We are still haggling over anywhere between three to seven rupees on diesel prices; LPG subsidies may end up being offloaded on the states and so forth. Admittedly, there are political constraints. But let us not pretend that we are moving to a new paradigm in economic governance. We are simply offloading some peripheral ballast to prevent the ship from sinking.

Second, the fact that these reforms are coming after four years of colossal mismanagement is making the reform narrative problematic. Admittedly, there was a global financial crisis that required a different policy response. But politically it is not easy for the government, after running all fiscal responsibility into the ground for four years, and after stoking structural inflation, to turn back and accuse opponents of being populist. The crisis narrative is a double-edged sword: it makes the case for reform compelling. But it also exposes the complicity and opportunism of government. And opposition and state parties in turn are themselves quite capable of a modicum of economic rationality, including raising prices. On the other hand, there is a danger that these reforms will be accompanied yet again by expenditure commitments that will haunt us in future years. So the aam aadmi versus economic reform story is a form of shadow boxing; more about tainting the opponent than staking out an economic ideology.

Third, one reason reform does not have as large a social base is that reform has come to be associated with reform for the big boys. We can debate the merits of FDI in retail. Even if its net benefits are uncertain, the fears it ignites are highly exaggerated. Making that a priority over other reforms may send out sound signals to other investors. But it reinforces the idea that you have to be big and organised to get a hearing. Despite two decades of reform rhetoric, small and medium business in India still feels trapped in the clutches of the state. It also feels, as the recent stories over credit have shown, that big business gets preferential treatment. Madhu Kishwar’s trenchant observation, that the lower down the economic ladder you go, the more likely you are to be saddled with regulation, is largely true. Reform for the big boys is important and it brings benefits. But it does not, by itself, enable participation in the larger reform narrative.

Fourth, the corruption story has also become part of the reform story. Open loot at the top lends credence to the idea that anyone should grab anything from the state that they can. But more importantly, the real intent behind reform will become more apparent if the state can go towards a rules-based working in its inner core. But as state institutions are being decimated one after the other, it is hard to inspire confidence that we are moving to a transparent rules-based system. This is still a system where, on everything from CBI investigations to company law cases, deals seem possible. When the government says things like environmental clearances will speed up, it is not clear what exactly that means. Is it a harbinger of a new transparent and effective regime or simply more deals? The idea that the state is fundamentally about negotiated quick-fixes has not disappeared.

Finally, there is the sheer instrumentalism of it all. Parliamentary democracy, in the proper sense of the term, has been all but dead the last few months. State legislatures are even more moribund. All political parties are complicit in this. Our economic desperation should goad the executive into taking as much action as it can, within its powers. But it is deeply distressing that our talk of reform is premised on bypassing Parliament. The precedent that is being set for all parties holding each other hostage outside of a framework of parliamentary deliberation will come back to haunt us.

This is still a moment of opportunity. But the threshold of what it will require to convert it into a real turnaround moment is very high.

If it manages to survive, Congress will have to show that it is a genuine reformer rather than a party that administers bitter medicine after it has induced the disease in the first place. It would have to change drastically to do this. The BJP’s game seems to be to exacerbate both the economic and governance crisis in the hope that the blame sticks on the Congress. But pure negativism misreads the people’s yearning for something positive. The sober regional parties are not looking beyond their noses; the more dangerous ones like SP, will run with the hare and hunt with the hound, and if need be, pull out the communal card. All are afraid of going to the people immediately. At the moment, we don’t have reformers or populists. We have a game in which most actors are being too clever by half — growth or democracy be damned.

The writer, president of the Centre for Policy Research, is contributing editor, The Indian Express’
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ramana wrote: Acharya, Old chap is like bandhu in Bengali!

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:mrgreen: I was just having a good time!
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The Man Who Moved a Mountain
http://www.metafilter.com/120172/The-Ma ... a-Mountain
Dashrath Manjhi is a modern legend in Gaya, India. He resolved to carve a road through a mountain when his wife died on the long journey to the nearest doctor. With only hand tools, he worked full time for 22 years to cut through 360 feet of mountain. He shortened the distance to the nearest doctor from 75 km to 8 km. In recognition of his achievment, the government gave him five acres of land near his village, which he donated toward the construction of a small hospital. He he died in 2007.It's true then, love can move mountains. Or at least cut through them.This man did this. I'm honored to have shared some time on the planet with him. And this story is such a welcome relief from the avalanche of hideous, backward and mean-spirited human endeavor that we are faced with every day, whether it's people railing against homosexuals or people railing against some dumbass movie about their prophet or people who are all worked up because they think a little bit of healthcare equals communism or any of that STUPID SHIT.Dasrath Manji was a great man, and he puts all those miserable excuses for humanity to shame
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nawabs wrote:Desai questions 'suitability' of Gita in modern India

http://in.news.yahoo.com/desai-question ... 00298.html
Professor Emeritus of London School of Economics Lord Meghnad Desai on Wednesday said the Bhagavad Gita was not "a suitable text for modern India".

...The Professor Emeritus said: "In the text, it has been asked to do karma without thinking about the consequences. How can it be said that we should not think about the consequences? Whatever we do affects others too. For example, if I start drinking and then driving without thinking about the consequences, I might kill many people on the road."
:rotfl: Is this a joke? Seriously, is that what "Lord Meghnath Desai" thinks it means? I can't believe it.
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Why India should worry about a Pak-China-Russia axis
http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 120921.htm
In an attempt to refashion Russian South Asia policy and to showcase a new proactive stance in global politics, Russian President Vladimir Putin will be visiting Pakistan in early October. This will be the first visit of a Russian President to Pakistan, ever, and as such will be loaded with significance. Putin will also participate in a quadrilateral meeting on Afghanistan with leaders of Tajikistan, Pakistan and Afghanistan.As the NATO forces prepare to leave Afghanistan, new alignments of regional powers are emerging. Pakistan-Russia ties are also taking a new turn and this holds great significance for India and the South Asian region.Pakistani efforts to improve their relationship with Russia in the wake of the deterioration in relations between Pakistan and the US have been evident for some time. Islamabad finds itself with few friends across the globe. Even China has been circumspect in what it can offer to its 'all weather friend.'Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari visited Russia in May and Army Chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani will be in Russia this month. Pakistan hopes Russia will start selling it more substantial defence equipment as well. Both countries are also trying to increase their presence in Central Asia. Russia wants stability in its Central Asian periphery and Pakistan remains critical in managing the region.Moscow's outreach to Islamabad is an attempt to get a handle on this regional dynamic. Putin's special envoy for Afghanistan, Zamir Kabulov's visit to Pakistan earlier this year in June laid the groundwork for Putin's visit. Russia has taken note of Indian foreign policy's changing priorities and also the recent downturn in US-Pakistan ties. The US-India rapprochement has been problematic for RussiaIt was Putin who had publicly endorsed Pakistan's bid to join the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and had offered Russian help in managing Pakistan's energy infrastructure.

He went on to suggest that Russia views Pakistan as a reliable and very important partner. Russia's Gazprom wants to invest in the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India gas pipeline. Meanwhile, though Russia has been one of the biggest beneficiaries of the externalities from the US-India civilian nuclear energy cooperation pact, there have been rumblings in Moscow regarding the manner in which the Kudankulam project has been handled so far by New Delhi.After deciding to ignore Pakistan for decades in its arms sales matrix, Moscow has now decided to gradually start weapons sales to Pakistan. Moscow will also be cautious in sharing its defence technology with Pakistan as it would not like to alienate India, one of its largest markets for defence equipment, even further. Russia deals with India on a number of levels, including BRICS, and that partnership could be in jeopardy if Pakistan becomes a major priority for Moscow. India will be looking at this development with great interest but something big will have to come out of these meetings for New Delhi to be worried. India's ties with Russia are historic, wide ranging and well institutionalised. Russia will do its best to assuage Indian concerns and New Delhi should largely be satisfied with it. It depends on the future trajectory of Russia-Pakistan ties as to how it will ultimately impinge on Indian interests. The US-China-Pakistan 'axis' was India's biggest headache during the Cold War years. Unless managed carefully, a Russia-China-Pakistan 'axis' may emerge as an even bigger one in the coming years.
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This is a fake article.
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I agree. The fakeness is too open to even rebut.
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But somebody has a purpose. This kind of psy ops is very sophesticated since they know the long history of Indian foriegn policy
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we do need to revisit the abolition of the jury system.
http://www.rediff.com/news/column/the-k ... 120925.htm

The current treatment of anti corruption activists and the impotent Judicial system is acting as a deterrent aganist common citizens joining anti-corruption activism
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