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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012 04:30 
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:arrow: :arrow: New Awsome High quality RAFALE demo video with in cockpit views. The maneuverability demonstrated is pretty amazing.
http://vimeo.com/50506313
Awesome video, great sound quality... i love this bird... hope this deal gets signed quickly.


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France always does good video presentation of their birds.. whatever they do with the camera, must have hired real pros to get this done.. similarly was the mirage one some years back.. excellent low flying over the sea etc, was fantastic.


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France always does good video presentation of their birds.. whatever they do with the camera, must have hired real pros to get this done.. similarly was the mirage one some years back.. excellent low flying over the sea etc, was fantastic.
Passion sir Passion.. i anything one does is a key to being successful.


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IAF to raise four more squadrons of Su-30 MKI fighter

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On induction and deployment of M-MRCA, he said, "Once the M-MRCA Rafale gets inducted, the first base which is planned is at Ambala. The first two bases will be in the Western Air Command and the other two will be in the Eastern Air Command."

ACM Browne said that total six squadrons of the M-MRCA fighter aircraft will be inducted in the IAF and hoped that the deal to procure them will be formally signed by the end of this financial year.


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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012 19:24 
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^^^

One interesting tidbit there, 126 planes = 6 squadrons. One squadron = 21 planes.


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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012 21:01 
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SaiK wrote:
real good HD quality.. that engine shut off for 5 to 7 seconds is awesome at 1:20ish.
I wish they can show one similar video with all things loaded up full MTOW!

That is not engine shutoff. It is afterburner shut off. You can notice at 3.08 or so when jet forms up with the much slower jets flying in formation. There is no afterburner flame but the jet in in thurst mode all the time. Awesome combustion efficiency btw of the Rafale engines... very clean burning either in or without afterburner..
Kaveri can only aspire to reach such heights (hopefully in this decade.)


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PostPosted: 06 Oct 2012 11:29 
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nakul wrote:
^^^One interesting tidbit there, 126 planes = 6 squadrons. One squadron = 21 planes.

Mogamboo kush hua.. With news of 22Apche, 1 more SQ of C130Js and 4 more SQs of Rambhas.. My cup brimmeth over


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PostPosted: 06 Oct 2012 14:34 
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Jayram wrote:
SaiK wrote:
real good HD quality.. that engine shut off for 5 to 7 seconds is awesome at 1:20ish.
I wish they can show one similar video with all things loaded up full MTOW!

That is not engine shutoff. It is afterburner shut off. You can notice at 3.08 or so when jet forms up with the much slower jets flying in formation. There is no afterburner flame but the jet in in thurst mode all the time. Awesome combustion efficiency btw of the Rafale engines... very clean burning either in or without afterburner..
Kaveri can only aspire to reach such heights (hopefully in this decade.)


One awesome fact is the amount of load that the Rafale can haul- the 9.5 tons, even with its current engines that everyone says are underpowered.


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PostPosted: 06 Oct 2012 15:09 
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arthuro wrote:
:arrow: :arrow: New Awsome High quality RAFALE demo video with in cockpit views. The maneuverability demonstrated is pretty amazing.
http://vimeo.com/50506313
Awesome video, great sound quality... i love this bird... hope this deal gets signed quickly.



I was at Sanicole evening airshow 2012 :)

Very impressive Rafale, learnt to respect it a lot more after the show, must say!

See if you can spot it in the album below :)

https://picasaweb.google.com/1039568800 ... rshow2012#


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Will, the video is all about empty load. So, until we see one fully loaded, with similar flight envelop, we can assure the T:W is visually optimal. [now, only the actual users can say with details]


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PostPosted: 08 Oct 2012 20:17 
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THE LATEST ON THE EADS - BAE MERGER

It seems there is dissension in the British camp on the issue of the proposed merger between EADS and BAE.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19868748

The Germans are also dragging their feet. Therefore, it is obvious that the entire scenario remains very unclear.


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PostPosted: 08 Oct 2012 21:56 
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Yes Jaybhatt,

This is a very difficult deal. In this case, France, UK, EADS and BAE already agreed on terms and conditions but Germany is blocking the deal. Actually the proposed scheme is : main headquarter, Airbus, Astrium, MBDA and Eurocopter in France, and BAE (probably merged with Cassidian) in Britain!
Germany wants a headquarter and a place in the shareholding structure at par with France (already shareholder of EADS and who will have 9% of the new company). The headquarter has been refused by the two companies and the two other states. The stake in the new company is refused by UK... because they believe they will loose their business in US if european states are controling the company (it is well known that US military firms are independant from the influence of the federal state!).
But things can change, the fact is that BAE can not survive alone and if EADS don't buy, Boeing probably will. Another possibilty is to dismantled BAE and sell some pieces to US firms, the rest to EADS and other companies. The big winners here are the French, they ask for nothing : if the deal goes on, it's very good, if it fails they will have other plans : Thales, Safran, Dassault, DCNS, Nexter : merged, these companies have the size of BAE and a huge potential.


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PostPosted: 08 Oct 2012 23:16 
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^^^^ anyone here interested in BAE?

HAL?
Tata?
mahindra??

bharat-rakshak assorted investors??


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PostPosted: 09 Oct 2012 01:30 
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Can we contribute...........lets try...........


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PostPosted: 09 Oct 2012 02:38 
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In EADS, I don't think so, or a very very small stake... You need to obtain approvals from 3 differents states! Maybe it will be possible to invest in Saab, Dassault/Thales or Finmecanica because if the merger goes on, these companies will need parterships.


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PostPosted: 10 Oct 2012 02:11 
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kelesis wrote:
Yes Jaybhatt,

This is a very difficult deal. In this case, France, UK, EADS and BAE already agreed on terms and conditions but Germany is blocking the deal. Actually the proposed scheme is : main headquarter, Airbus, Astrium, MBDA and Eurocopter in France, and BAE (probably merged with Cassidian) in Britain!
Germany wants a headquarter and a place in the shareholding structure at par with France (already shareholder of EADS and who will have 9% of the new company). The headquarter has been refused by the two companies and the two other states. The stake in the new company is refused by UK... because they believe they will loose their business in US if european states are controling the company (it is well known that US military firms are independant from the influence of the federal state!).


They're planning to 'firewall' BAE's US operations from the bulk of the company. How effective/acceptable that will be to the US Congress remains to be seen. Fundamentally one can see how this would be good idea for UK and France who've agreed that deep collaboration on defence and foreign policy going into the future, is the only way to retain their geopolitical heft. Germany, after an unprecedented scaling back of its military, lacks any global ambition and naturally feels threatened.


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But things can change, the fact is that BAE can not survive alone and if EADS don't buy, Boeing probably will. Another possibilty is to dismantled BAE and sell some pieces to US firms, the rest to EADS and other companies. The big winners here are the French, they ask for nothing : if the deal goes on, it's very good, if it fails they will have other plans : Thales, Safran, Dassault, DCNS, Nexter : merged, these companies have the size of BAE and a huge potential.


BAE can very much survive on its own even if the 'sequestration' goes through in December. And being Britain's 'national champion' (like Saab AB is to Sweden and UAC is to Russia), dismantlement will never be accepted, even if the alternative is downsizing and job losses, and that opinion is being exercised through the UK govt's 'golden share'. Even right now with a more or less equitable deal in the works, there are mutters (especially among right wing hardliners) about 'selling out family silver to the Euros' and the like. They'd probably consider a merger with an American company before they'd countenance dissolution and/or sale to European firms.

With regard to the French defence industry its been on the cards for ages - with EADS owning part of Dassault, and Dassault owning part of Thales, and Thales swapping assets with Safran, and the French state owning parts of Thales, Safran and EADS, the whole thing is one big halwa (sort of like pudding). That said, BAE Systems too emerged from a merger between the BAe and GEC Marconi, and later the VT Group. Given falling defence spending across Europe, a merger by itself may not translate into significantly higher efficiency.


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PostPosted: 10 Oct 2012 15:54 
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Viv,

You are probably right regarding BAE and UK.

I've read two interesting statements today : Finmecanica seems to be furious about the merger and consider that BAE should merge with them... Finmeca is a also a huge company even if currently they loose a lot of money, they still have good potential.

Groupe Dassault's CEO (Dassault junior) is calling for the creation of France Aerospace Company including Thales, Safran, Dassault and Zodiac. If you look well to these companies, you realize that they are not very dependant of defense activities and they export a lot of their production. The kid is not the boss but it shows things are moving fast in France since the announcement of the BAE/EADS deal... The pudding may soon be changed in foie gras.


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AESA experimentation news

    range doubled (to about 200 km), compatible with the Meteor ;
    submetric SAR imagery ;
    eased maintainability ;
    independent modules allow to assign them to different tasks


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PostPosted: 10 Oct 2012 16:45 
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BAE is better off looking for a US merger than a EU one. I think the yanks and brits get along better. Besides BAE is intimately involved in the US market, a merger with LM, NG, Raythoen would be good. BAE and LM would be an ideal pair, they have complementary specilaizations. Boeing is better off staying the way it is.


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PostPosted: 10 Oct 2012 18:22 
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nakul wrote:
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One interesting tidbit there, 126 planes = 6 squadrons. One squadron = 21 planes.

It is not a straight math, IAF needs some birds for TACDE, then there is reserves, trainers etc... Also few of these could be customized fir special deliveries ALA detergents... These might be located with a SQ but come under SFC or Air HQ... So we will be seeing 6 SQs of Katrinas but not exactly 21 of these beauties in a SQ..


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As expected Germany said "nein!". The merger talks were initiated to save the Eurofighter, Dassault must be laughing, Finmeccanica must be happy.

Failed merger 'opens Pandora's Box' and puts BAE in play

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/damianreece/9598947/Failed-merger-opens-Pandoras-Box-and-puts-BAE-in-play.html

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However, having been willing to entertain a merger of BAE with EADS, presumably the Coalition is willing to consider any bid, or even break-up, of BAE.


BAE Systems faces tough future after merger collapse

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/bae-systems-faces-tough-future-after-merger-collapse/articleshow/16754652.cms

Deal’s failure leaves BAE management exposed

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/9d81a47e-11ff-11e2-b9fd-00144feabdc0.html#axzz28oS9eKkm


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DASSAULT LAUGHING AFTER THE EADS - BAE MERGER COLLAPSES

YET THEIR INDIAN PUBLIC RELATIONS STRATEGY IS AMAZINGLY CLUMSY AND INSENSITIVE
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After the announcement of the breakdown of the merger discussions between EADS and BAE, the Dassault executives must be uncorking the champagne bottles tonight in the cellars of their corporate office in Paris.

However, even as they celebrate the good news, the top honchos of Dassault must do some introspection on how they are conducting their PR in India.

On the 8th October, the IAF celebrated its 80th anniversary with a grand parade and fly-past. On this occasion, the Indian subsidiary of Dassault released a massive advertising campaign in the major national English dailies, and also in the motley group of glossy defence and "strategic affairs" magazines.

The good point about the ad. - a beautiful photograph of the Rafale. Most impressive.

Nevertheless, the entire effort was neutralised by the appalling quality of the text that accompanied the photograph.

Some examples :

"Congratulations to one of the world's widely respected air force ......."

"And we have consistently done so for the past 6 decades using cutting edge technology and
class of service"

"Through our dedication and support we've helped secure the heritage of billions in India with
peaceful grounds and safer skies".

The copywriter is either a Frenchman / Frenchwoman with a very limited knowledge of the language of their rivals across the Channel. Or it is a desi babu, straight out of a college in Muzaffarpur. In either case, the person was having a bad hair day.

Charles Edelstenne and his senior team in 9 Rond-Point des Champs-Elysées Marcel Dassault should realise that this type of
PR will have won them few admirers either in the IAF or among the nation's aviation afficionados.

Maladroit functioning it was - and this a word common to both English (which is also an Indian language) and French.


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we will not have marine version.


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There have been multiple reports that IN likes the Rafale-M. Is there any reason why STOBAR aircrafts(Mig 29K & NLCA) cannot be converted to CATOBAR till 5th gen fighters arrive?


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There have been multiple reports that IN likes the Rafale-M. Is there any reason why STOBAR aircrafts(Mig 29K & NLCA) cannot be converted to CATOBAR till 5th gen fighters arrive?

why do we need a CATOBAR aircraft when we don't have a CV with Cat? both Viks are Stobar vessels.


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STOBAR to CATOBAR conversion is possible but would be expensive


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According to Dassault, the Rafale M can be used on a STOBAR aircraft carrier, without modification.

http://rafalenews.blogspot.fr/2012/06/rafale-stobar-compatible.html


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India has ordered 45 Mig 29Ks for INS Vikramaditya & INS Vikrant. They will be supplemented by N LCAs. The question is for India's CATOBAR carrier, INS Vishal. Considering that it could take a decade for it to be inducted in the IN, we are hoping it will carry 5th gen aircrafts on board. In the unlikely case that these fighters are not available in the said timeframe, it might be more prudent to use existing aircraft (STOBAR converted to CATOBAR) instead of an additional 4th gen fighter as an interim solution, till 5th gen fighters arrive. I hope Russians / Indians are working on naval PAK FA / FGFA.


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Another little known aspect of the failure of the EADS-BEA merger bears mentioning. This merger became inevitable once EFT Consortium lost out to Rafale. In fact the British papers, especially the FT and Telegraph, have repeatedly said this.

On my way back from UK this weekend one of the papers was running a story about this failed merger. I will try to get a link to that story, as it is noteworthy. The paper said that the UK and France have agreed to collaborate on the unnamed next-generation fighter aircraft. i.e. most possibly a 6th generation fighter-UAV. According to the paper what this means is that Germany is out in cold.

Little did our defense establishment know that their decision to reject EFT would kick of a chain reaction half way across the planet. Ironic isnt it? After 60 years of independence who can say, where is the tail, where is the dog and who wags whom.


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Christopher Sidor, you are 100% right. With the loss of MMRCA, the brits were furious and they accused Germany. It is right that Germany is less concern by defense than UK or France and they often delayed important developments of the Typhoon. Dassault and BAE know very well each other, and British and French records of industrials cooperations are quite good. The collaboration on 6th generation was supposed to be based on the Taranis project and Dassault said something about the successor of Typhoon and Rafale. But now... With political changes in France, the failed EADS/BAE merger, the crisis, the growing isolation of Britain in Europe... everything is still possible.


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Tata Consulting Engineers and Dassault Systèmes announce partnership to bring innovative industry solution experiences to the market

Monday, October 15, 2012

http://indiaeducationdiary.in/Shownews.asp?newsid=16079

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Report by India Education bureau, Mumbai: Dassault Systèmes, the 3DEXPERIENCE company, world leader in 3D design software, 3D digital mock-up and product life cycle management solutions, and Tata Consulting Engineers (TCE) today jointly announced a strategic partnership designed to leverage each company’s core capabilities to deliver industry solution experiences to customers in key energy, process, utilities and construction sectors, where TCE is already well-established. TCE is a leading consulting engineering company and a subsidiary of Tata Sons, and has been providing engineering consultancy services for the past 50 years.

TCE will leverage Dassault Systèmes’ 3DEXPERIENCE industry solutions to bring business value through combined business development and engineering consultancy services to customers in power (hydro and thermal, transmission and distribution), nuclear, construction, mining and minerals, infrastructure (water and urban development, buildings and architecture, ports and transportation), steel and metals, chemical (oil and gas) and industrial (automotive, cement, heavy engineering, special projects) sectors. The very first combined effort will be to launch three solutions for energy, process and construction sectors: optimised plant construction, 3D digital plant, plant operation and safe plant.

The TCE-Dassault Systèmes association also ensures the establishment of a dedicated Centre of Excellence for delivering 3DEXPERIENCE solutions to customers in key industry segments.

“Our technical prowess and sheer diversity of operations in key industry segments holds us in good stead. The synergy of TCE and Dassault Systèmes will help transform our service delivery model, driving customer delight through value creation, taking us further up in the international engineering consulting business,” said JP Haran, managing director, TCE. “The synergy between TCE and Dassault Systèmes is a perfect amalgam of both companies’ core strengths and we are sure that this will be a great differentiator for the two businesses.”

Commenting on the partnership, Monica Menghini, executive vice-president, industry, Dassault Systèmes, said, “The joint team from Dassault Systèmes and TCE will create unsurpassed business value to customers in different industry sectors. This strategic partnership also strives to focus on key value drivers that go beyond any solution currently available, including a new services and business consulting model.”

Dr Chandan Chowdhury, managing director, India, Dassault Systèmes, added, “This partnership will transform the Indian industry through the innovative application of industry solution experiences. In the current economic environment, where quantum improvement in productivity has become the key to competitiveness, this value creation partnership certainly deserves special importance.”

The partnership will first support Dassault Systèmes’ game-changing 3DEXPERIENCE solutions in energy and TCE’s consulting expertise to provide:

Simulation of plant behavior in virtual world to analyse efficiency and safety at optimum cost and anticipate the risk associated with the plant.
Multi-disciplinary plant 3D plan for integrated digital plant knowledge.
Virtual operator training to ensure leaner operation and maintenance.
Engineering analysis for reliable and robust designs.
Simulation of construction / refurbishment / maintenance in safe virtual world to execute it right the first time in real world.
Programme management for optimising EPC project execution collaboratively across the value chain


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The RAFALE Omnirole Fighter: Pushing Forward on New Air-to-Air Capabilities - 15/10/2012
http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fr/avi ... 8328870e9f
In October 2012, the RAFALE omnirole fighter reached two major milestones: the first delivery of a production aircraft equipped with the first production RBE2 AESA radar, and the initial successful testing of the new-generation, very long-range, METEOR air-to-air missile.
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Pushing forward on new air-to-air capabilities, the Rafale B301, operating from Cazaux DGA Flight Test Center in southwestern France, successfully completed, on October 4 then on October 10, two successful tests of the beyond visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) Meteor.

On December 22, 2010, the French defense procurement agency (DGA: Direction Générale de l’Armement) ordered 200 Meteor missiles. A week after, the contract for integration of the Meteor missile to the Rafale system was awarded to the industry.
This advanced, ramjet-powered, missile, made by MBDA, is intended for air defense missions. It will intercept targets at very long range, and it will be a perfect complement to the MICA missile, which is currently used at shorter ranges for air-to-air interception, dogfight and self-defense.
On October 2, 2012, the first production Rafale F3 (the single-seater C137), equipped with the first production Thales RBE2 AESA 1 radar, was delivered to the French DGA, paving the way for the introduction into operational service of the first European combat aircraft fully exploiting the cutting edge AESA radar technology.
Extended range capabilities offered to the Rafale by the RBE2 AESA radar (among a number of other key operational benefits) allow the full use of the latest generation of long-range air-to-air missiles such as the Meteor.
The Rafale is already an extremely effective new-generation, combat proven (Afghanistan, Libya), omnirole tactical fighter, but development is continuing apace to exploit more and more of the aircraft’s tremendous capabilities, and to seamlessly add new ones. As a result, the Rafale looks set to become even better in the near future.
1: AESA: Active Electronically-Scanned Array.

BACKGROUND NOTES
ABOUT THE RAFALE OMNIROLE FIGHTER

1. French operational requirements have been set at 286 Rafales. The Air Force will receive 228 aircraft (in two versions: the single-seater Rafale C and the two-seater Rafale B), while the Navy will operate 58 Rafales M (single-seater).
2. To date, 180 production aircraft have been ordered for both services. Under current plans, production of the aircraft is to continue through 2025.
3. By October 15, 2012, 111 production aircraft have been delivered to the warfighters (36 Rafales M for the French Navy; 37 Rafales C and 38 Rafales B for the French Air Force).
4. A decade before the still-to-come Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, Rafale is the first aircraft to have been designed, from the outset, to take off and land both from land bases and from aircraft carriers. The Rafale will ultimately replace all the current types of legacy fighter aircraft in the inventory of the French Air Force and the French Navy.
5. Missions of the Rafale omnirole fighter:
- air defence and air superiority;
- close air support;
- engagement of surface targets (with laser-guided bombs, all-weather stand-off precision weapons, or cruise missiles); SEAD/DEAD capabilities;
- anti-ship attack;
- nuclear strike;
- real time tactical and strategic reconnaissance (ground and naval targets);
- in-flight refuelling (“buddy-buddy” tanker capability for the French Navy Rafale M).

ABOUT THE METEOR MISSILE

1. The Meteor missile is being developed by MBDA to meet the requirement of six European nations (France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden and United Kingdom).
2. Increasing proliferation of state-of-the-art air-to-air threats is a critical challenge for modern air forces, answered by Meteor.
3. The BVRAAM Meteor and its benefits · A fast and highly manoeuvrable, beyond visual-range, air-to-air weapon.
· The largest No-Escape Zone (NEZ) of any air-to-air weapon resulting in a long stand-off range and high kill probability to ensure air superiority and crew survivability.
· A guidance that is provided by an active radar seeker benefiting from enhanced technologies drawn from MBDA ASTER and MICA missile programs.
· The capability of engaging air targets autonomously by day and night, in all weather and in severe electronic warfare environments.
· A missile equipped with both a proximity and impact fuse to ensure total target destruction in all circumstances.


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what is the present cost of meteor..?

is there any provision of having meteor in weapon package of rafale, and how much..?

I would say 200 of them will be good initial order.

But if that happen then it would be mix of BVRAAM in IAF:R-77,Mica,Meteor and Astra.

So logistic angle required to cover if we go for this missile.


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DASSAULT LAUGHING AFTER THE EADS - BAE MERGER COLLAPSES

YET THEIR INDIAN PUBLIC RELATIONS STRATEGY IS AMAZINGLY CLUMSY AND INSENSITIVE
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After the announcement of the breakdown of the merger discussions between EADS and BAE, the Dassault executives must be uncorking the champagne bottles tonight in the cellars of their corporate office in Paris.

However, even as they celebrate the good news, the top honchos of Dassault must do some introspection on how they are conducting their PR in India.

On the 8th October, the IAF celebrated its 80th anniversary with a grand parade and fly-past. On this occasion, the Indian subsidiary of Dassault released a massive advertising campaign in the major national English dailies, and also in the motley group of glossy defence and "strategic affairs" magazines.

The good point about the ad. - a beautiful photograph of the Rafale. Most impressive.

Nevertheless, the entire effort was neutralised by the appalling quality of the text that accompanied the photograph.

Some examples :

"Congratulations to one of the world's widely respected air force ......."

"And we have consistently done so for the past 6 decades using cutting edge technology and
class of service"

"Through our dedication and support we've helped secure the heritage of billions in India with
peaceful grounds and safer skies".

The copywriter is either a Frenchman / Frenchwoman with a very limited knowledge of the language of their rivals across the Channel. Or it is a desi babu, straight out of a college in Muzaffarpur. In either case, the person was having a bad hair day.

Charles Edelstenne and his senior team in 9 Rond-Point des Champs-Elysées Marcel Dassault should realise that this type of
PR will have won them few admirers either in the IAF or among the nation's aviation afficionados.

Maladroit functioning it was - and this a word common to both English (which is also an Indian language) and French.


Pas seulement 'maladroit' mais aussi 'gauche' :)


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The Rafales of the Normandie-Niemen Squadron of the French Air Force Visit Russia
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There is a lot of history here. During World War 2, some Free French pilots who had managed to escape from occupied France were welcomed to the Soviet Union and were grouped together in an all-French squadron that was called the Normandie - Niemen (to signify the links between France and the Soviet Union). The squadron performed magnificently and was given numerous awards and honours both by the Soviets as well as the Free French government.

After the war, the squadron, after its return to France, retained its old name and went on to win many laurels. It was invited to Russia for the 100th anniversary of the Russian Air Force in August 2012. The Rafales put on a great display and won numerous admirers in Russia.


http://www.gouvernement.fr/gouvernement ... -en-russie


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Quote:
Samtel Thales Avionics JV is officially incorporated

09 February 2011


http://www.thalesgroup.com/Press_Releases/Markets/Aerospace/2011/20110209_-_Samtel_Thales_Avionics_JV_is_officially_incorporated/


Hi, it's been a while since this JV was announced, but since then not much happened. The website is still not online and the only news about joint developments, or possible contribution to the Rafale deal came from this article:

http://www.samteldisplays.com/cache/Bus ... an2012.pdf

Does somebody heared anything new about it?


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With J-31 being unveiled by PRC, it would be a fair assumption to say that beyond this decade, i.e. post 2020, we should see J-31 in service with PLAAF/PLAN and PakiAF. How would Rafale's ability stack up against J-31? Would it be able to give our opponents capabilities which exceed Rafale? And significantly how relevant would Rafale be in the 3rd decade of this century?


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Christopher Sidor wrote:
With J-31 being unveiled by PRC, it would be a fair assumption to say that beyond this decade, i.e. post 2020, we should see J-31 in service with PLAAF/PLAN and PakiAF. How would Rafale's ability stack up against J-31? Would it be able to give our opponents capabilities which exceed Rafale? And significantly how relevant would Rafale be in the 3rd decade of this century?


Apart from the "stealth" feature, there is a blurring of line between what constitutes a 5th-Gen versus 4th+++-Gen combat aircraft. In terms of radar, avionics, ECM, sensors, MMI, engine and weapons technologies and their integration, Rafale will be superior. By the time J-31 comes online 2020 or after, Rafale (in French AF) will be undergoing a major mid-life upgrade to keep the technologies up-to-date in the 20s. IAF's Rafale will probably be undergoing updates sometime around 2030 or after. In the 30s, they won't be the top-tier but still be very formidable just like the Mirage-2000 have been and will continue to be for another decade after its updates.


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