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Indian Air Force to raise four more squadrons of Su-30 MKI fighter

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"By the end of this year, in December, and early next year, we will be inducting a new Su-30 squadron, based in Punjab. That will be the tenth squadron of Su-30 and the process will continue for at least six months from January to June," he said.

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"We are raising three-four more squadrons of Sukhoi. Two extra squadrons are being raised in Eastern Sector. So far we have raised two squadrons there and two more are in process," he said, replying to a query on deployment of the fighter aircraft in the northeast.

On IAF's future plans to induct Su-30MKIs in the force, he said, "One more squadron will be based in Punjab and one will be in Southern Command in Thanjavur. Therefore, we will have 13-14 total squadrons of Sukhoi to add to our strength."


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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012 18:48 
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From the link provided by Nakul, an SU-30MKI squadron will also be based in Thanjavur. When the IAF plans for basing Ist LCA in SUlur were discussed, his highness Aroor said that means the IAF never plans to use the LCA in war. Wonder what he will say now?- that IAF has no plans to use Su-30 in war??

Anyways it means we are no longer Nuke Nanga down south.


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IAF has allocated Su30s for maritime strike role. The Andaman based will be for Bay of Bengal, Thanjavur for Indian Ocean, Pune for Arabian Sea. LCA could form the low end of India's southern command. The hi end of IAF will obviously be based close to our land borders. In a 2 front war, I would expect IAF to leave territorial defence to the more nimble LCA since range will not be an issue here.


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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012 19:51 
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nakul wrote:
IAF has allocated Su30s for maritime strike role. The Andaman based will be for Bay of Bengal, Thanjavur for Indian Ocean, Pune for Arabian Sea. LCA could form the low end of India's southern command. The hi end of IAF will obviously be based close to our land borders. In a 2 front war, I would expect IAF to leave territorial defence to the more nimble LCA since range will not be an issue here.



Thats why the LCA should be optimised for A to A combat rather than for dropping bombs. Dont think they are going to be put to much use taking out tanks :mrgreen:


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In th spirit of multirole, defending Indian territory is not restricted to air to air only. Ground is also included in Indian territory. In Paki thrusts into India, the Tejas will shine at protecting its matrubhumi. We need sons of the soil onlee :mrgreen: The TFTA Sukhois & Rafales can take upon the cleansing of Punjab & Sindh :evil:


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eastern cmd bases need expansion too, for surge mode redeployments.

I would like to see handout pix of upto 70 fighters in a flight line like some F-15E / F-16 bases have. with dark hulks of tankers and phalcons in another line in the distance.


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"By the end of this year, in December, and early next year, we will be inducting a new Su-30 squadron, based in Punjab. That will be the tenth squadron of Su-30 and the process will continue for at least six months from January to June," he said.

"We are raising three-four more squadrons of Sukhoi. Two extra squadrons are being raised in Eastern Sector. So far we have raised two squadrons there and two more are in process," he said, replying to a query on deployment of the fighter aircraft in the northeast.

Looks like the IAF is trying to raise/convert multiple squadrons simultaneously instead of waiting for one squadron to fill up to strength before starting on another one. They just started raising the 8th MKI squadron. I don't know how they are planning on filling up the tenth one by June next year. 3 squadrons is 50-60 aircraft. It will take at least three years, if not more for HAL to build that many.


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dont forget the 42 we just ordered. maybe IAPO can deliver one @ 2/month by then.


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Singha Post subject: Re: Su-30: News and DiscussionPosted: 05 Oct 2012 21:04


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Location: havildar-major, 1st JSOC munna detachment. eastern cmd bases need expansion too, for surge mode redeployments.

I would like to see handout pix of upto 70 fighters in a flight line like some F-15E / F-16 bases have. with dark hulks of tankers and phalcons in another line in the distanc
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SU 30 is far supiorer then F15/16.
Even su 27 is far better then F15/16.
There was a dog fight between SU 27 with F15.Even US airforce admit su 27 is better fighter.


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PostPosted: 06 Oct 2012 11:35 
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Singha wrote:
eastern cmd bases need expansion too, for surge mode redeployments.

I would like to see handout pix of upto 70 fighters in a flight line like some F-15E / F-16 bases have. with dark hulks of tankers and phalcons in another line in the distance.

After the elephant walk of Super Hercules, one with Rambha is not far off... May your wishes ome true soon...


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^^^ Nachiket, 8th SQ has been raised already in Halwara, Nninth is probably getting ready in Pune or Jodhpur... Hence talk about the tenth... If we can raise three SQ in 2012, 3-4 more in 2013 is not far fetched... ThanjVur base is ready.. Proabbly waiting to get inagurated by RM/ Mainoo Maaami...


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dont forget the 42 we just ordered. maybe IAPO can deliver one @ 2/month by then.
very good point, Chorgupta mentioned 9th SQ is ready last week on his web rant AKA blog.


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fwd bases like hashimara and bagdogra need expansion. all eggs cannot be kept in tezpur and kalaikunda which is 700+km in the rear from AP border.

I am thinking a new new hub base in barak valley or tripura is long overdue. this will also provide defence should the PLAAF try to sneak in over myanmar to outflank us and protect our 'soft underbelly' as it were/ myanmar is in no shape to detect let alone prevent such an offensive over its airspace. we can also use it as a springboard to do the reverse on them.


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Singha wrote:
fwd bases like hashimara and bagdogra need expansion. all eggs cannot be kept in tezpur and kalaikunda which is 700+km in the rear from AP border.

I am thinking a new new hub base in barak valley or tripura is long overdue. this will also provide defence should the PLAAF try to sneak in over myanmar to outflank us and protect our 'soft underbelly' as it were/ myanmar is in no shape to detect let alone prevent such an offensive over its airspace. we can also use it as a springboard to do the reverse on them.



++++1...i totally agree with Singha sir...for too long we have "not ignored but neglected" our air asset deployment on the Burmese side...There is really nothing to stop the Chinese from "violating" the air space from that sector and the burmese junta is really not going to do anything about this "violation"... :roll: then again they can't do anything worthwhile if we were to "hit" china from this side also :D


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PostPosted: 06 Oct 2012 20:30 
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Well new hangars are being built at Lengpui airport where fighters will be based.


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interesting. very strategic location per google earth. the current runway is 8000ft. seems to have ample space for expanding the apron. and there are hills nearby to build munitions storage and perhaps north korean style cave hangers and hides to fire SAMs from.

link below speaks of 4 fighters initially and a new radar in another location. so its likely to be a detached unit from another base.
http://zeenews.india.com/news/north-eas ... 45299.html

inshallah a new Tejas squadron could be based there once base is built up. Silchar being a large town could also more easily host a IAF base as the basic infra like medical college, university, schools , hotels and such is already there to support a IAF township. the mizoram site can at best be a batchelor station in the middle of the hills...reminds me of the look n feel of thoise.


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The strengthening of the NE will dilute the chicken neck problem to a large extent. In the scenario the Chinese manage to break the first line of defence, the second and the third line will be able to defend themselves. The problem in the 1962 war was that there was no defense once the chinese reached Assam. In the future, land grabbing from the NE would be very difficult for any invadind force. The rest of the force would not have to be diverted since reinforcements like southern NE states like Mizoram, Tripura & Manipur could be called upon. Perhaps IA has decided to wage an aggressive war in a certain sector and reinforcing the other sectors to prevent enemy break ins. This will also take care of hostile Bangladesh/Myanmar intentions during Indo Chinese War.


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In the context of Singha ji's comment on an aerial photo shot of around 70 fighters in formation. I feel we will not get one such photo for the same reason that the range of A-5 is 5000 KMs. A full complement of 4-5 squadrons with refuelers and AWACS is not definitely a defensive homeland protecting idea, it reeks of a scenario of taking out a super carrier or forays into Tibet or even worse, a wipe out mission of Diego Garcia. Unkil may not be comfortable with it and by default our politicians will play game. Such a photo will of course put the Chinese leadership in its place but nope, no siree, if it shakes the offices in Washington and Brussels then its a strict no no for us.


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no I was talking of just a big khan style apron with a lineup of 70 fighters parked. as you know usaf operates on the concept of "fighter wings" which are nothing more than a collective of several fighter squadrons and perhaps some attached refuelers and cargo planes, which deploy as a group when they leave the mainland and go into action.
while our role is not expeditionary, if we line up all the stuff in bases like lohegaon, jamnagar or jodhpur we will get that psyops pic...but for dharmic reasons we chose not to.

but I would want a doubling up of MKI squadrons in tezpur(2) and chabua(2), and rafale squadrons in kalaikunda(2) and silchar(1), backed up by Tejas squadrons in Bagdogra, hashimara, guwahati and mizoram to spread some fear in the community. brussels or DC only care for their Munna's case of loose motion if such a force concentration were to be massed in the western flank of the empire.

40% of IAF should be sited in eastern india, alongwith a mass of armour strike group in north sikkim. the wedge of land between sikkim and bhutan should be a assured death trap for the PLA and a easy bargaining chip if the PLA makes a move on ladakh. likewise ladakh airspace needs to be become the next jodhpur+jamnagar in terms of force concentration.


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Two phalcons and at least 10 drdo AEWC [did they name it yet?], and 3 re-fuelers are needed as well facing NE as permanent minimum requirement. NE is critical to Indian long term security setup.


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Two phalcons and at least 10 drdo AEWC [did they name it yet?], and 3 re-fuelers are needed as well facing NE as permanent minimum requirement. NE is critical to Indian long term security setup.
None of our bases in the NE can sustain these birds unless they are subject to a massive expansion. As Shiv Saar says we need a Desi Ramstein in the NE.


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On the contrary the mil side of guwahati has ample current and expansion space to house some big c17 il78 types. All it has right now is a squadron if mi17 i think. Iaf family station already exists there. Bagdogra too has a large apron and huge mil side...it is primarily a mil airport and not uncommon to see 15 jets in flight line and a few takeoffs everytime.

Emb145 can slot in with the su30 sqdns in tezpur or chabua.


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Singha wrote:
but I would want a doubling up of MKI squadrons in tezpur(2) and chabua(2), and rafale squadrons in kalaikunda(2) and silchar(1), backed up by Tejas squadrons in Bagdogra, hashimara, guwahati and mizoram to spread some fear in the community.

You forgot Jorhat. Only transport and helo squadrons there right now, but it could be expanded once the IAF has more fighter assets. It is going to be a while before the IAF gets enough Tejas and Rafales to base so many at forward bases in the east. It took a long time for the MKI's to leave Lohegaon.


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Would n't the refueling receptacle be completely closed and under the skin?


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^^^ Singha and Nachiket, in all the AFBs you listed, without significant expansion there cannot be a huge complement of fighters, Refuellers as well as AWACs. this is why I mention "Desi Ramstein"... We need at minimum a parallel runway, plenty of HAS, dispersal zones and above all, a robust SAM cover.


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SaiK wrote:
Would n't the refueling receptacle be completely closed and under the skin?
Not in the SU-30MKI, but still it is better than the protution in M2ks and Rafale.
Comes out only during refuelling, are you getting confused with the Oracle Pitot Tube?


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13,300kgf Thrust for AL-31fp. Finally found it. :D
12,500kgf must be the normal After-Burner Thrust and 13,300kgf the Emergency Thrust.

So many people giving so many theories and sources - viewtopic.php?p=760980#p760980

Case Closed! :mrgreen:


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nakul wrote:
Indian Air Force to raise four more squadrons of Su-30 MKI fighter

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"By the end of this year, in December, and early next year, we will be inducting a new Su-30 squadron, based in Punjab. That will be the tenth squadron of Su-30 and the process will continue for at least six months from January to June," he said.

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"We are raising three-four more squadrons of Sukhoi. Two extra squadrons are being raised in Eastern Sector. So far we have raised two squadrons there and two more are in process," he said, replying to a query on deployment of the fighter aircraft in the northeast.

On IAF's future plans to induct Su-30MKIs in the force, he said, "One more squadron will be based in Punjab and one will be in Southern Command in Thanjavur. Therefore, we will have 13-14 total squadrons of Sukhoi to add to our strength."


So that would be the first fighter squadron to call one of the 4 southern states home. Neat.

A much required fighter squadron by hopefully mid of 2014 in South.


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Singha wrote:
dont forget the 42 we just ordered. maybe IAPO can deliver one @ 2/month by then.



Aren't 40 of the 42 A/Cs ordered for the Strategic Forces Command ? to be used to deliver nuclear bombs.


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13,300kgf Thrust for AL-31fp. Finally found it. :D
12,500kgf must be the normal After-Burner Thrust and 13,300kgf the Emergency Thrust.

So many people giving so many theories and sources - viewtopic.php?p=760980#p760980

Case Closed! :mrgreen:


I recall that MiG-21 also has a similar "extra" afterburner mode - but if used requires additional maintenance on the engine after the sortie. Even MiG-25 can achieve Mach 3 only in this mode.


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krish.pf wrote:
13,300kgf Thrust for AL-31fp. Finally found it. :D
12,500kgf must be the normal After-Burner Thrust and 13,300kgf the Emergency Thrust.
So many people giving so many theories and sources - viewtopic.php?p=760980#p760980

Case Closed! :mrgreen:


I recall that MiG-21 also has a similar "extra" afterburner mode - but if used requires additional maintenance on the engine after the sortie. Even MiG-25 can achieve Mach 3 only in this mode.

Yup. The Bis/Bison version has the largest difference between Emergency Thrust and Normal maximum afterburner thrust. Normal 7100kgf , Emergency - 9900kgf(but limited to 3 mins and Altitude less than 4km). This is to help it in Scramble Missions to Gain Altitude faster and intercept incoming bogie(s).

RD-33 Series 3 and RD-93(on MiG-29SMT/UPG & JF-17) - Normal 8300kgf, Emergency 8700kgf

RD-33MK(on MiG-29K/M/M2/MiG-35) - Normal 9000kgf, Emergency 10500kgf

F404-GE-IN20 on LCA Tejas Mk1 - Normal 8865kgf, Emergency 9165kgf


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*F404-GE-IN20 on LCA Tejas Mk1 - Normal 8665kgf, Emergency 9165kgf

Typo


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So what is the thrust on F414-INS6 (? the new series?)

Normal 98kn and emergency 105??kn -?


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From various sources especially our BR database I infer
Sqdn 20, Sqdn 30 - Lohegaon
Sqdn 2 - Tezpur
Sqdn 8 - Bareilly,
Sqdn 31 - Halwara ???
Sqdn 102 - Chabua

Can some expert complete the list for this mango man ?

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Kersi D wrote:
From various sources especially our BR database I infer
Sqdn 20, Sqdn 30 - Lohegaon
Sqdn 2 - Tezpur
Sqdn 8 - Bareilly,
Sqdn 31 - Halwara ???
Sqdn 102 - Chabua

Can some expert complete the list for this mango man ?

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As per wiki :


Present Deployments

Bhatinda AFS: 34 Wing’s 17 Golden Arrows sqn with Su-30MKI since June 2012.

Chabua AFS: 14 Wing’s 102 Trisonics sqn with Su-30MKI since March 8, 2011.

Halwara AFS: 34 Wing’s 220 Desert Tigers sqn with Su-30MKI since September 25, 2012.

Jodhpur AFS: 32 Wing’s 31 Lions sqn with Su-30MKI since October 1, 2011.

Pune/Lohegaon AFS: 2 Wing’s 20 Lightnings sqn (since September 27, 2002) & 30 Rhinos sqn with Su-30MKI (since March 21, 2005).

Tezpur AFS: 11 Wing’s 2 Winged Arrows sqn with Su-30MKI since June 15, 2009.


Future Deployments

The above squadrons will in future be joined by:

Bhuj AFS: 27 Wing’s 15 Flying Lancers Sqn to begin converting to Su-30MKI in December 2012 and four Su-30MKIs will be tasked with strategic reconnaissance along the India-Pakistan borders with EL/M-2060P SAR pod.

Sirsa AFS: 45 Wing’s 21 Ankush sqn (now with MiG-21 Bisons, will convert to Su-30MKI by the year’s end and four of its Su-30MKIs will be tasked with strategic reconnaissance along the India-Pakistan borders with EL/M-2060P SAR pod.

Kalaikunda AFS: 5 Wing’s 18 Flying Bullets sqn will begin converting to Su-30MKI by June 2013.

Hashimara AFS: 16 Wing’s 222 Tigersharks sqn will begin converting to Su-30MKI by June 2013.

In addition to the above, an all-new Su-30MKI squadron will be raised for deployment to Thanjavur by 2015, and will be followed by the raising of three more Su-30MKI squadrons, leading to a grand total of 17 squadrons equipped with Su-30MKIs.


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Present Deployments

Bhatinda AFS: 34 Wing’s 17 Golden Arrows sqn with Su-30MKI since June 2012.

Chabua AFS: 14 Wing’s 102 Trisonics sqn with Su-30MKI since March 8, 2011.

Halwara AFS: 34 Wing’s 220 Desert Tigers sqn with Su-30MKI since September 25, 2012.

Jodhpur AFS: 32 Wing’s 31 Lions sqn with Su-30MKI since October 1, 2011.

Pune/Lohegaon AFS: 2 Wing’s 20 Lightnings sqn (since September 27, 2002) & 30 Rhinos sqn with Su-30MKI (since March 21, 2005).

Tezpur AFS: 11 Wing’s 2 Winged Arrows sqn with Su-30MKI since June 15, 2009.


Future Deployments

The above squadrons will in future be joined by:

Bhuj AFS: 27 Wing’s 15 Flying Lancers Sqn to begin converting to Su-30MKI in December 2012 and four Su-30MKIs will be tasked with strategic reconnaissance along the India-Pakistan borders with EL/M-2060P SAR pod.

Sirsa AFS: 45 Wing’s 21 Ankush sqn (now with MiG-21 Bisons, will convert to Su-30MKI by the year’s end and four of its Su-30MKIs will be tasked with strategic reconnaissance along the India-Pakistan borders with EL/M-2060P SAR pod.

Kalaikunda AFS: 5 Wing’s 18 Flying Bullets sqn will begin converting to Su-30MKI by June 2013.

Hashimara AFS: 16 Wing’s 222 Tigersharks sqn will begin converting to Su-30MKI by June 2013.


No Bareilly :eek: - Are you sure?

Hey Kersi, what is this obsessions with Su30 numbers and squadrons man :)


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Aditya G wrote:
krish.pf wrote:
13,300kgf Thrust for AL-31fp. Finally found it. :D
12,500kgf must be the normal After-Burner Thrust and 13,300kgf the Emergency Thrust.

So many people giving so many theories and sources - viewtopic.php?p=760980#p760980

Case Closed! :mrgreen:


I recall that MiG-21 also has a similar "extra" afterburner mode - but if used requires additional maintenance on the engine after the sortie. Even MiG-25 can achieve Mach 3 only in this mode.


Why there two inlet sizes? Perhaps the extra afterburner thrust is if the larger inlet is present?


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As per wiki :


Present Deployments

Bhatinda AFS: 34 Wing’s 17 Golden Arrows sqn with Su-30MKI since June 2012.

Chabua AFS: 14 Wing’s 102 Trisonics sqn with Su-30MKI since March 8, 2011.

Halwara AFS: 34 Wing’s 220 Desert Tigers sqn with Su-30MKI since September 25, 2012.

Jodhpur AFS: 32 Wing’s 31 Lions sqn with Su-30MKI since October 1, 2011.

Pune/Lohegaon AFS: 2 Wing’s 20 Lightnings sqn (since September 27, 2002) & 30 Rhinos sqn with Su-30MKI (since March 21, 2005).

Tezpur AFS: 11 Wing’s 2 Winged Arrows sqn with Su-30MKI since June 15, 2009.


Future Deployments

The above squadrons will in future be joined by:

Bhuj AFS: 27 Wing’s 15 Flying Lancers Sqn to begin converting to Su-30MKI in December 2012 and four Su-30MKIs will be tasked with strategic reconnaissance along the India-Pakistan borders with EL/M-2060P SAR pod.

Sirsa AFS: 45 Wing’s 21 Ankush sqn (now with MiG-21 Bisons, will convert to Su-30MKI by the year’s end and four of its Su-30MKIs will be tasked with strategic reconnaissance along the India-Pakistan borders with EL/M-2060P SAR pod.

Kalaikunda AFS: 5 Wing’s 18 Flying Bullets sqn will begin converting to Su-30MKI by June 2013.

Hashimara AFS: 16 Wing’s 222 Tigersharks sqn will begin converting to Su-30MKI by June 2013.


No Bareilly :eek: - Are you sure?

Hey Kersi, what is this obsessions with Su30 numbers and squadrons man :)


JUST KICKS !!!

Trying to bring my post to the coveted 1000 mark !!!!


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