Bharat Rakshak

watch the edge of the runway on the first pic, the rope pulling it back will not extend that far, if the plane has traveled that far while landing, it will be a go around usually

J-15 first takeoff and landing drill on aircraft carrier LiaoNing.

Starts at 1:20

And yes, China gives the very, very best stuff to Pakistan instead of just enough. Just enough for what you ask??? Figure it out!

This video probably clarifies why we have not chosen Su-33 for our carrier Gorky(And there is a write-up from ex-CNS Arun Prakash on this). Even for this big carrier, margin of error is not much.

True and now after using chinese locomotives , pakis are desperate to beg or lease from India

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bny8p6nALhE

And yet you guys want Chinese trains. See the flaws in your circular logic or over your head ??

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 62895.aspx

And yet you guys want Chinese trains. See the flaws in your circular logic or over your head ??

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 62895.aspx

You're wrong Wong. We want Chinese trains so that we will learn a lesson when they break down as they do in Pakistan. We need the Chinese to teach us lessons. Like 1962. We must learn to fear Chinese trains.

Grow up! What are you 12yo?? I didn't write it. It's your Hindu Times.

And yet you guys want Chinese trains. See the flaws in your circular logic or over your head ??

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 62895.aspx

The article simply says that China is one of the country India has an interest in working with. Others being Britain, Italy and Japan.

Dont get too excited. Hindu Bania Times are experts at spin

LOL Agreement mean nothing. Chinese make crappy bikes were being sold for 10,000 rs in India but people ran after seeing their quality. This will go nowehere. Rest assured.
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People ran yet still runs a $40 billion deficit with China and the deficit is still growing?

People ran yet still runs a $40 billion deficit with China and the deficit is still growing?

A single carrier by itself means little - even if we are scared of China. We need to see how they will create a self protecting self sustaining carrier force far away from the brown waters off China. They will no doubt want to do that and we have to wait and see.

Ouch ...

Current Account Deficits: Is There a Problem?

The current account can also be expressed as the difference between national (both public and private) savings and investment. A current account deficit may therefore reflect a low level of national savings relative to investment or a high rate of investment—or both. For capital-poor developing countries, which have more investment opportunities than they can afford to undertake because of low levels of domestic savings, a current account deficit may be natural. A deficit potentially spurs faster output growth and economic development

Waylan, ashi: unfortunately for you, the joke is on the Chinese economy, although it is a joke that your leaders appear to enjoy. Maintaining a current account surplus by manipulating one's currency and denying foreigners access to your markets ultimately hurts the Chinese economy. It means that your consumers are denied access to goods and services of the optimal price and quality.

Leaving that aside, a "current account surplus" is by definition equal to a "capital account deficit" i.e. you (China) invest less than you save. Also, a "current account deficit" is by definition equal to a "capital account surplus" i.e. we (India) invest more than we save. Investment drives growth. China's current account surplus with India is funding India's growth ...

I think you will not believe me (Economics can be quite counter-intuitive). Read this:

^^ Says the child who spends most of his time, posting obvious propaganda pics, barely there flamebait posts in the Indian eco threads & no worthwhile thoughtful statements.

Many of the people in this forum dwarf you in terms of real world achievements & abilities. If you don't like it, tough sh*t and you are welcome to hike it back to one of your China stlong forums. You are a guest here, understood? Don't push it with your patronizing rubbish.

Airbus wins 60-plane China order after EU carbon retreat

Bloomberg / Shanghai Nov 25, 2012, 00:30 IST


Airbus SAS won an order for 60 A320 planes from state-backed China Eastern Airlines Corp, less than two weeks after the European Union backed down in a dispute with the government in Beijing over jetliner-emission levies.

China Eastern received a “substantive” discount to the list price of $5.4 billion for the single-aisle planes, it said in a statement from Shanghai yesterday, adding that Toulouse, France-based Airbus also agreed to take 18 regional jets off its hands.

EU plans to impose carbon dioxide-emission fees on flights in and out of the bloc were suspended on Nov. 12 after countries including China, India and Russia threatened retaliatory steps. Airbus parent European Aeronautic , Defence & Space Co. had said the levies might cause China to refuse to take its planes.



“I suspect there’s a message there,” said Sandy Morris , an analyst at Jefferies International in London with a “buy” rating on EADS. “China has been light on A320 orders for a while now and it looks like Airbus held some production slots back until this was resolved. It’s called looking after your customer.”

The A320s, due to arrive from 2014 to 2017, will be used mainly on domestic routes, according to China Eastern, which last year switched an order for 24 Boeing Co. 787s wide-body planes to 45 smaller 737s because of waning long-haul demand.

Regional deal
The airline will sell eight Bombardier CRJ planes and 10 Embraer SA regional jets with a book value of 1.5 billion yuan ($241 million) to Airbus, it said in the statement.

China was pleased with the EU move to suspend the plan for emissions charges, Xia Xinghua , deputy director of its aviation regulator, said Nov. 13. The Asian country’s airline association said in June that carriers would snub a deadline for filing emissions data and that the government would support them.

Three calls to China Eastern’s offices outside regular office hours yesterday went unanswered.

Airbus Chief Executive Officer Fabrice Bregier said in September that China was withholding signature on 35 to 45 wide- body A330 planes because of the emissions dispute. A contract for those aircraft would have given a “bigger signal” regarding current Chinese attitudes, Jefferies’ Morris said.

Airbus, which has an A320 assembly plant in China, won an order for 50 of the planes from the leasing arm of state- controlled Industrial & Commercial Bank of China in August.

China and other nations had said the EU should wait for a global emissions program being drawn up by the United Nations’ aviation agency rather than push ahead with a regional plan.

The levies are designed to curb C02 output associated with global warming.

Whatever....

LOL Chinese technology scares the crap out of the poor users like PAF and PN more than any adversary.

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There is an increasing feeling in India that negotiations have dragged for too long. Adding to India’s discomfort is the fact that even after many unilateral concessions, China has shown little inclination to compromise. For example, in 2005 the two nations agreed to settle the territorial dispute in a manner that the interests of settled populations would not be bothered. Whereas the Western sector under Chinese control has no permanent populations and is absolutely barren, the Eastern sector under Indian control has a substantial population of Buddhists as well as other tribal communities. Clearly, the idea behind the 2005 declaration was to resolve the border dispute by making de jure the de facto control of existing territories. However, by 2007, the Chinese Foreign Minister had repudiated any such compromise.

China also seems to have included the border dispute within its concept of ‘core interests’, a euphemism which it reserves for Taiwan and South China Sea. Irrespective of the disputes in high seas, China has settled its border disputes with all its neighbours except India and Bhutan. Even with Vietnam, with whom China fought a bloody war in 1979, the border dispute has been negotiated peacefully.

Three reasons might explain China’s reluctance to resolve the India-China border dispute. First, China would like to settle its territorial disputes in the east and South China Sea before any resolution of the conflict with India. By postponing any ultimate resolution of the border dispute, China makes sure that India remains anxious and avoids any collective balancing with other littoral states such as Japan and Vietnam who also have territorial disputes.

Second, China's claims on Indian territory are linked to consolidating its rather shaky rule in Tibet, where an indigenous movement for greater autonomy and independence still thrives. Prevaricating on the border dispute helps China’s fix its Tibet problem by keeping the pressure on India not to support any notions of Tibetan independence and clamping down on any pro-independence activities from Tibetan leaders and refugees living in India. This is also linked to the institution of the Dalai Lama. China would very much like to control the Tibetan spiritual authority and is therefore anxiously waiting for an opportunity to appoint a puppet once the incumbent Dalai Lama passes away. However, the nightmare scenario for China would be the appointment of the next Dalai Lama from regions outside its control. In fact, the successor of the Dalai Lama can come from the Indian state of Arunanchal Pradesh as it is culturally an extension of Tibet. Keeping the conflict alive, therefore, is a strategy to coerce India into submission as far as any challenge to China’s Tibet policy is concerned.

Third, given China’s close alliance with Pakistan, the strategy of indefinitely extending boundary negotiations allows Beijing to contain India in the South Asian tinderbox, preventing the country from exerting global influence as would be expected of any rising power. Also, by keeping the conflict open on India's borders both with Pakistan and China, it helps to effectively divide India's military power by keeping alive the possibility of a two front war and hence, diluting India’s effective military capability.
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All of you need to grow up, this forum is like a bunch of teenagers in a class room.

What follows is a summary of Eagle Hannan's posts from Pakdef.

Hannan describes the aerobatics display of the JF-17 as brilliant. The JF-17 flew twice every day of the air show. He notes that the weather conditions were very bad and hard to take videos in. He said that the J-10s did not perform particularly well. Hannan comments that in 14 minutes of display there was a single performance of 360 and three half-hearted loops. He observes that the rest of the displays by the J-10 were formation flights. He notes that one of the Sherdil pilots comments about the J-10 pilots in Punjabi that the old men of China cannot fly their own planes.