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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2012 16:22 
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I hate to post this but another Mirage 2000 fighter has crashed. The pilots are reported to have ejected safely.

Why are Mirage 2000s falling from the sky?


Page not found ... I don't think there is any crash. So lets wait until it is covered by other papers before creating BRF panic.


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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2012 17:40 
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RKumar wrote:
Roperia wrote:
I hate to post this but another Mirage 2000 fighter has crashed. The pilots are reported to have ejected safely.

Why are Mirage 2000s falling from the sky?


Page not found ... I don't think there is any crash. So lets wait until it is covered by other papers before creating BRF panic.


The news was there, when I posted. I couldn't believe it myself. This is strange that they've removed the story.

If you search on the web for - "Why are Mirage 2000s falling from the sky", the first hit is

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Why are Mirage 2000s falling from the sky?‎
Zee News - 4 hours ago
New Delhi: Even as the Indian Air Force is yet to decipher the reasons behind previous crashes, one more Mirage 2000 fighter jet crashed on Thursday.


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PostPosted: 06 Apr 2012 23:44 
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Septimus P. wrote:
I fear the same will happen with the Raffy fleet, already so may unexpalined crashes in the raffy fleet, i think scrap raffy deal and go for a the safest bird in the MRCA F-18IN. Not a single crash due to technical failure.

You jinxed it.

Navy jet crashes into Virginia apartment block: reports
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(AFP) – 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON — A US Navy F-18 jet crashed into a low-rise apartment building in Virginia on Friday triggering an inferno, US media reported, with emergency responders rushing to the scene.
The two crew members successfully ejected from the jet which crashed into a populated area in the eastern coastal tourist resort of Virginia Beach, CNN reported.

But their condition was unknown with one crew member reported to have been taken to Sentara Virginia Beach hospital, as firefighters were desperately trying to control the blaze.

"There were flames coming out of its engine at the back, which I just thought was afterburn or whatever... but the plane got lower and lower. I saw one pilot eject," witness Jon Swain told MSNBC.

"I understand there were two, but I only saw one. And then you know, probably five seconds later, I was at the building where it hit. It burst into flames," he said.

The plane smashed into a low-rise apartment block, he said.

"It hit it dead center. And yeah, it's pretty traumatic," Swain said. "There were a few people running from the building."

Emergency vehicles with sirens wailing rushed to the scene but there was no immediate word on casualties, as smoke was seen billowing from the two-story apartment block.

The Navy and the Virginia Beach police department could not be immediately contacted by AFP.


I sincerely hope the pilots are safe. Nevertheless, just goes to show that no aircraft is invincible to the law of probability.

Added later:
US Navy confirms both pilots safe after fighter jet crash
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An F/A-18D assigned to Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 106 crashed in Virginia Beach, Va. April 6.

Initial reports indicate that at approximately 12:05 p.m., the jet crashed just after takeoff at a location just off of the base.

Both aircrew safely ejected from the aircraft.VFA-106 is based at Naval Air Station Oceana, and serves as the East Coast Fleet Replacement Squadron.

Their mission is to train Navy and Marine Corps F/A-18 Replacement Pilots and Weapon Systems Officers (WSOs) to support fleet commitments.


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PostPosted: 11 Apr 2012 04:24 
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Grounded-Mirage-fleet-to-start-flying-by-April-end-IAF-chief-Browne
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Grounded-Mirage-fleet-to-start-flying-by-April-end-IAF-chief-Browne/articleshow/12615687.cms
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NEW DELHI: After remaining grounded for over a month after two crashes in close succession, the Mirage-2000 multi-role fighters are expected to take to the skies by end-April.

Air chief marshal (ACM) N A K Browne, on the sidelines of IAF annual commanders' conference on Tuesday, said the Mirage-2000 fleet was undergoing systematic technical checks and would resume flying operations by month-end. French original equipment manufacturers Dassault Aviation and Snecma are also part of the probes into the crashes that were caused due to some engine problems.

IAF, incidentally, swears by the Mirage-2000s, which have a much better flight safety record compared to other fighters like MiGs and Jaguars. Only 10 Mirages have crashed since their induction in the mid-1980s.

India recently inked two deals worth over Rs 17,500 crore for the progressive upgrade of IAF's 51 Mirage-2000s by French companies Dassault Aviation (aircraft manufacturer), Thales (weapons systems integrator) and MBDA (missile

While the first two fighters have been sent to France for the upgrade, the rest will later be retrofitted with new avionics, radars, mission computers, glass cockpits, helmet-mounted displays, electronic warfare suites, weapon delivery and precision-targeting systems in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd under transfer of technology.

With the almost $20 billion MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) project to acquire 126 French Rafale fighters close to finalization, along with ongoing inductions and upgrades, ACM Browne said IAF was ``poised for a strategic transformation" during the conference.

"Our operations rest on three pillars - operational capability, operational infrastructure and security of these operational assets. An operational mindset must dictate all our actions and the primacy of operations in all our actions must be understood by each and every air warrior," he said.

"IAF's vision statement - `People First Mission Always' - aims at inculcating a culture where each of us pays attention to looking after the needs and requirements of people place below us. Our air warriors in the field must get full support to accomplish their assigned tasks," he added.


Does the up gradation deal also includes engine upgrade :?:
If not then IMHO I think it should considering the recent incidents and if IAF is planning to stretch Mirage-2000 fighter jets fleet till 2025. :|


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PostPosted: 24 May 2012 05:24 
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http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2012 ... led-69.asp
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Army chopper crashes in Siachen, pilot killed

Srinagar, May 23: A Cheetah helicopter of the Army Aviation crashed in the Siachen Glacier today leading to the death of a pilot and injuries to the co-pilot.
“A Cheetah helicopter deployed on an Air Maintenance Mission in Siachen Glacier crashed on Wednesday around 11.15 A.M. Unfortunately the pilot died and the co-pilot has been injured and evacuated to Chandigarh. An inquiry has been ordered to probe the reasons of the crash,” Lt Col JS Brar, Defence Spokesperson based in Srinagar, said.
The two officer-pilots were trying to land the chopper at the Bhim post helipad in northern glacier area when they lost control of the flying machine and it crashed 400 metres short of the helipad, an officer in the Army headquarters said.


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PostPosted: 30 Aug 2012 13:51 
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Jamnagar: Five dead, three injured as two IAF helicopters collide
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Jamnagar, Gujarat: Five air force personnel were killed and three others were injured after two Indian Air Force (IAF) helicopters collided mid-air near Jamnagar in Gujarat today.

The two Mi-17 helicopters crashed into each other around 12:25 pm. The accident happened over the Sarmat field firing range in Sharmath, 12 kilometres south west of Jamnagar.

The helicopters were reportedly on a training mission. Each carried a pilot, a co-pilot and two others


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PostPosted: 30 Aug 2012 14:21 
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TOI homepage has the Video of the actual accident. Very sad.

RIP.


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PostPosted: 30 Aug 2012 14:40 
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very tragic incident.............. RIP


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PostPosted: 30 Aug 2012 16:43 
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my sincere condolences.


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PostPosted: 30 Aug 2012 17:53 
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TOI report says 9 casualties and not 5. :( RIP.


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PostPosted: 30 Aug 2012 19:19 
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Nitin Gokhale - NDTV Defence Journalist - tweets "Sad to learn senior pilots from TACDE - Tactics and Air Combat Devp Establishment - also among the 9 dead today in the Jamnagar collision" :( :(


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PostPosted: 30 Aug 2012 19:43 
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Damn, bad accident :( very sad, seems like a rotor blade collision at first, they seem to be moving fast. RIP


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PostPosted: 30 Aug 2012 20:03 
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RIP :(


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PostPosted: 30 Aug 2012 20:32 
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was it a night flight?

suggests new tactics .

sad - and ignorant morons everywhere on news sites- making ill considered comments

sometimes I feel half the population thats posts on these sites needs to be summarily shot

not to mention the morons hired by TOI who makes statement like "we are made to believe".
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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2012 08:05 
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http://www.deccanherald.com/content/285 ... opper.html

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A Chetak helicopter of the Indian Navy crashed on Monday while landing at Dabolim airport in Goa killing all the three personnel on board.

The chopper was flying from Mumbai to Bangalore on a routine sortie with a scheduled stop for refuelling in Goa. It crashed at 10 am while landing.

This is the first fatal crash of a naval helicopter in seven years. The last such accident occurred in 2005, said a navy officer. The Navy currently has about 60 helicopters in its fleet.

The personnel who died in the crash were: Lt Cdr D Singh, Lt Rahul Tiwari and Chief Artificer (air) Hareesh Krishnan, a qualified sailor.

Preliminary findings suggest mechanical failure to be the cause of the accident. An enquiry has been ordered. Sailor Hareesh Krishnan, from Haripad in Alappuzha district in Kerala, will be cremated with full military honours on Tuesday.

Hareesh last visited Kerala two months ago on Onam and was to retire this year.


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PostPosted: 21 Oct 2012 01:25 
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For safe close formation flying of choppers, LEDs on the main rotor blade tips can be used for signaling, an universal encoding mechanism is what we see in traffic lights, the emission spectrum of the LEDs can be in the invisible zone and weather penetrating and the NVGs will do the shifting into the visible zone so the pilots can see it, this signaling cannot be seen by the naked eye and the emission frequencies themselves are secret or preferably software controlled


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PostPosted: 23 Oct 2012 03:40 
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vasu raya wrote:
For safe close formation flying of choppers, LEDs on the main rotor blade tips can be used for signaling, an universal encoding mechanism is what we see in traffic lights, the emission spectrum of the LEDs can be in the invisible zone and weather penetrating and the NVGs will do the shifting into the visible zone so the pilots can see it, this signaling cannot be seen by the naked eye and the emission frequencies themselves are secret or preferably software controlled


Lots of enthusiastic interpretation here ;)

LEDs have very predictable wavelengths, there's no way you can keep it a "secret", the most practical output would be IR and that's not that hard to detect. This isn't an RF encrypted transmission and IR sets aren't tuned to one frequency like a radio is.

That said, by the time they get to formation flying they have a very good sense of aircraft position and don't need encrypted super secret signals visible from their headsets to navigate. I'm sure special purpose craft have IR position lights next to the regular ones but it isn't quite so fancy.

IR doesn't perform remarkably better than visible for weather penetration.


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PostPosted: 23 Oct 2012 10:23 
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^^^

There was an accident last month where two Mi-17 choppers of TACDE crossed each other's path with the blades of one hitting the fuselage of the other and that was in day time. Anyways, along with a visual of the lead chopper and the rate of turn or climb are all pre-meditated by the pilots probably over radio, assisting that is these LEDs as a secondary mechanism and you need colors to encode them

ok, if LEDs aren't useful and for this purpose they needn't be in the visible spectrum, would short range but all weather radio frequencies do? again these emitters on the tips of the rotating blades can be made to produce patterns which are then made visible with suitable frequency shifting. Each specific frequency is tied to a distinct color on the NVG end. if 3 colors are sufficient to encode all your maneuvers, 3 frequencies and always at the same relative position to each other can be used.

Earlier TCAS wasn't considered viable due to the close distances of formation flying


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PostPosted: 04 Nov 2012 08:10 
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To fly, again


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PostPosted: 04 Nov 2012 16:13 
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A Sharma wrote:


Thanks, great article.


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PostPosted: 04 Nov 2012 18:44 
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Ground resonance is one of the freakiest phenomena. Check out what it does. You could get chopped up by your own rotors.

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-2-10_Ground_Resonance_Side_View.mpg
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-2-10_Ground_Resonance_Rear_View.mpg
http://airflightdisaster.com/?p=19669


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PostPosted: 16 Nov 2012 07:26 
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Another F-22 crash. Other reports claim that it might've been a pilot error though.

F22 crashes in FL


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PostPosted: 24 Nov 2012 12:49 
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http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/mig-2 ... afe-296640

A MIG 21 Bison air craft of the Indian Air Force has crashed near the Naliya air base in Gujarat.

The pilot safely ejected before the crash. He is a Wing Commander rank officer, reports suggest.

There have been no injuries on the ground.

The last MIG to crash was in December last year.

This is the second air craft post April 2012.


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PostPosted: 24 Nov 2012 14:32 
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Nikhil T wrote:
Another F-22 crash. Other reports claim that it might've been a pilot error though.

F22 crashes in FL


Pilot error helps in deviating technical problems of the aircraft. For a plane that expensive, it is stupid and quite embarrassing for US. It hasn't been used in a war either, after some 7 years of it's induction. Maybe the secret F-22 is kept secret because of it's technical problems and not because it is some magical plane.


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PostPosted: 25 Nov 2012 10:05 
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IAF's MiG-21 Bison crashes in Gujarat, no casualties
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 348013.cms

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AHMEDABAD: An upgraded MiG-21'Bison' aircraft of the Indian Air Force crashed after taking off from Naliya Airbase in Gujarat at 11.30 am on Saturday.

The pilot of the aircraft ejected safely, sources said, adding that it was on a routine training sortie.


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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2012 14:19 
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IAF jag crashes...pilot safe


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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2012 14:37 
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No mention of the Jag crash any where! I hope you are not correct


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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2012 14:55 
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Unfotunatly the news is true , the jaguar aircraft crashed in sikkim near the border area with china , no news of any casualty and praying to god tht there is none .




http://m.ibnlive.com/news/sikkim-air-fo ... 201-3.html


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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2012 16:09 
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http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/air-force-plane-crashes-in-sikkim-pilot-bailed-out-say-eyewitnesses-299411?pfrom=home-otherstories

The article says they are still trying to evac the seriously injured pilot.


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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2012 18:52 
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Very sad news. Hope Pilot (flight Lieutenant Yogesh Yadav) will get recover from this, physically and mentally.


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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2012 19:51 
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Update from local news - pilot is safe and sound, a few fractures though.


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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2012 21:37 
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damn .. seriously this "curse" of 3 crashes need to stop.. OT...


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PostPosted: 12 Feb 2013 22:20 
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IAF aircraft MiG-27 crashes in Rajasthan’s Barmer district, pilot safe.

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A MiG-27 aircraft of the Indian Air Force (IAF) crashed near Uttarlai in Rajasthan this afternoon, but the pilot managed to eject safely.

An official statement said the mishap occurred at about 1548 hours today, soon after the aircraft took off from the Uttarlai airbase in Barmer district on a routine flying training sortie.
“Immediately after the take-off, the aircraft developed a technical snag in the engine forcing the pilot to eject at a critical height. The pilot ejected safely,” it said.
There is no reported damage to any civil property or life, the statement said.
A Court of Inquiry has been ordered to investigate the accident. This is the fourth Cat I accident of this financial year, the statement added.


http://idrw.org/?p=18525

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/mig- ... 49964.html


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PostPosted: 19 Feb 2013 20:16 
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Bad news coming in...

IAF Sukhoi Su-30MKI crashes at Chandan range in Rajasthan. Practicing for Ex Iron Fist.


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PostPosted: 19 Feb 2013 20:55 
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IAF's Sukhoi 30 crashes in Rajasthan's Jaisalmer, pilots safe
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: A Sukhoi 30 aircraft of the Indian Air Force today crashed in Rajasthan's Jaisalmer district but both the pilots bailed out safely.


There was no loss of life or damage to property on the ground, defence spokesman S D Goswami said.

The aircraft was to participate in IAF's day-night exercise 'Iron Fist' on February 22, he said.

Both the pilots bailed out safely, Goswami said.


What a f... ? first the mig series and now the su 30. :cry:


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there is no point in wtf-ing if we can collect data regarding failure. see, this is where we learn, and not just blaming and finger pointing. Even teens of amrika land crashes regularly.. these are safety critical systems of the highest degree because safety for any ways to be in air is extremely critical. there are 1 million combinations which would not have followed or done or practiced or even designed for it in the first place.

empirical data is quite evident about quality. so, why complain when you have chosen per your needs?


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PostPosted: 19 Feb 2013 21:13 
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As per Tarmak:
SOURCES: The Su-30 MKI which crashed couldn't recover after firing weapons at Iorn Fist. It was part of HAL's Phase-1 production line.
Thank GOD that pilots ejected safely.

The interesting thing is that if it was performing as a part of Iron Fist exercise and the crash happened after releasing bombs then there must be a UAV above it recording all the events. So they might actually have a video graphic evidence of the crash sequence.


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PostPosted: 19 Feb 2013 21:15 
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SagarAg wrote:

The interesting thing is that if it was performing as a part of Iron Fist exercise and the crash happened after releasing bombs then there must be a UAV above it recording all the events. So they might actually have a video graphic evidence of the crash sequence.


Defective fuzes have been blamed for past accidents during live fire. But we must wait..


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PostPosted: 11 Mar 2013 21:00 
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This happened some days ago
http://newindianexpress.com/states/andh ... 490081.ece
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Navy chopper crashes into sea, two feared dead

Two navy personnel are feared dead while two others have survived after a Chetak helicopter of the Indian Navy crashed into the sea about 18 km off Visakhapatnam coast on Tuesday afternoon.

The two survivors have been picked up at sea and brought to the naval hospital at INHS Kalyani. The exact reasons for the helicopter crash are yet to be ascertained.

In a statement released here, the Navy authorities confirmed the accident and said that the Chetak 440 took off from INS Dega at about 2 pm on Tuesday afternoon on a routine mission for an aerial excercise in the area with four crew members onboard. It moved seaward for about 18 km off the Visakhapatnam coast when it reportedly collapsed into the sea.

The Air Traffic Control (ATC) lost contact with the helicopter at about 3.30 pm. After it failed to return to the base as per the schedule, the ATC informed the Navy authorities who in turn sent a search and rescue team.

Two survivors, whose identity was not revealed by the Navy, were picked up from near the crash site.


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PostPosted: 11 Mar 2013 21:01 
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http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=19950
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NEW DELHI: In the last three years, the Indian Air Force has lost 29 fighter planes including 12 MiG-21s in crashes in which six pilots lost their lives, the Lok Sabha was informed on Monday.

The aircraft lost in the crashes were 12 MiG-21s, 8 MiG-27s, 4 Su-30MKis, 2 Jaguars, 2 Mirage-2000s and 1 MiG-29, defence minister AK Antony said in reply to a written question.

"In these accidents, a total of six pilots and six civilians have lost their lives. Apart from loss of lives, 39 civilian properties were damaged


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