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Army, BJP MP Suresh Angadi tussle over land for firing range in Belgaum

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/army ... 25315.html

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A politician has waged a war against the Army and the defence ministry contending that he is being "victimised".

The leader, BJP MP Suresh Angadi, is facing allegations of setting up an engineering college on land notified for the army training ground (firing range) in Belgaum, northwest Karnataka. The defence ministry has issued him several notices seeking the control of the land.

Angadi has vehemently contested the charge saying the college - Angadi Institute of Management and Technology - is his private property built on land acquired from farmers in 2001. The institute has been running since 2004.

The MP has, in fact, claimed that the Karnataka government's notification to give the land to the Army for firing range is "illegal".

He has submitted petitions to the defence ministry seeking shifting of the training ground as it is "within the city limits".

According to Angadi, the range is causing immense hardship to the people in nine villages in the area. The only road passing through the range is blocked every time there is firing session, resulting in transportation problem for the villagers.

At present, the Army is in possession of 523 acres of land of the 7,000-plus acres notified by the state government between 2002 and 2004. "When I acquired the land (30 acres) from the farmers, neither the army nor the state government objected to it. Now they are making an issue out of it. I was not even an MP when I acquired the land for the college," Angadi said.

Angadi said he had raised the issue with minister of state for defence Pallam Raju during the last session of Parliament and spoken to Defence Minister A.K. Antony earlier, but nothing has been done so far.

According to Angadi, several farmers have also become "victims" of land acquisition. "The notification is not at all clear. Even now, they (farmers) are approaching me with petitions. Who will listen to their plights? The local army officers are misguiding the defence ministry," he said.

He further alleged that the army is biased. "There are several other buildings in the notified area. The Army has issued NOC to them. Why am I being singled out? There is a certain amount of bias against me," he said.

The Army, meanwhile, is jostling for space so that its troops can practice firing.

The population pressure has put constraints on land use in other areas as well.

The Army's firing ranges have come down from 104 to 66. Around a dozen of these ranges are acquired while others are notified by the state governments for army use for a certain period.

The Army's attempt to acquire the land for manoeuvre ranges for tanks has also hit the wall. It wants to have two ranges, one near Jaisalmer and the other in Narainpur in Madhya Pradesh. In Jaisalmer, the army was allotted land but later it was discovered that an oil company had been allocated an exploration block in the same area. The acquisition of land in Narainpur has materialised only recently.

A parliamentary panel has expressed concern over the shortage of firing ranges for the army. The defence ministry is finding ways to resolve the issue through discussions with different state governments.

The issue was also discussed during the commanders' conference that concluded on Wednesday.


Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/army ... 25315.html


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PostPosted: 28 Nov 2012 10:31 
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Many years ago, a team from BR that included Sachin, Rakesh, Jagan, me and others helped to set up a website for the Maratha Light Infantry regoment. That site is now defunct. It is an old old regiment with a glorious history.

From Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_Light_Infantry

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Indian independence saw the Regiment reverting back to the original five battalions, with the 3rd Maratha Light Infantry converting to the airborne role and becoming 2nd Bn, the Parachute Regiment in April 1952. With the integration of the erstwhile princely states, the 19th, 20th, 22nd battalions were amalgamated, from the state forces of Kolhapur, Baroda, and Hyderabad, with the Regiment. The expansion of the Indian Army to meet the omnipresent threat to its borders has seen the Regiment grow to its present total of 18 battalions and two TA battalions whilst the period also saw the conversion of 21st Bn into 21 Para (Special Forces) and the 115 Infantry battalion (TA) being grouped under the Mahar Regiment.

Since Independence, battalions of the Maratha LI have taken part in every armed conflict – Jammu and Kashmir operations in 1947-1948, entry into Junagarh, Hyderabad Campaign (1948), Invasion of Goa, Daman and Diu, the Sino-Indian War, conflicts with Pakistan in 1965 and 1971 against the Chinese on the Sikkim watershed in 1956, the operations[citation needed] in Sri Lanka, the ongoing operations in the Siachen glacier and in counter insurgency operations.

The Ashoka Chakra awarded to Captain Eric Tucker (2 Maratha LI) and Colonel N. J. Nair (16 Maratha LI), Col Vasanth Venugopal (9 Maratha LI), Lt Navdeep Singh(15 Maratha LI), the five Mahavir Chakras and the numerous other war and peace time gallantry awards bear testimony to the front-line leadership and courage of the Regiment’s Officers, JCOs and NCOs.

Gen J.J. Singh (9th and 5th) became the first Chief Of Army Staff from the Maratha Light Infantry in Feb 2005. Lt Col KS Gill, SM** from the 1st Battalion, Maratha Light Infantry (the Jangi Paltan) is holding the coveted appointment of Adjutant, National Defence Academy.Brigadier S K Kurup, SM** is the Commandant and Col Tushar S Bhakay is the Deputy Commandant of the Regimental Centre located at Belgaum and Lt General Narendra Singh, currently Deputy Chief of Army Staff is the Colonel of the Regiment.[citation needed]


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Here is a video of the training area of the regiment that the MP is now fighting to have removed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBwyeVdTo1Y


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PostPosted: 28 Nov 2012 10:37 
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Here is a touching video of the commandant meeting parents of the recruits after the MLIR passing out parade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... TrZY#t=29s


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PostPosted: 28 Nov 2012 11:26 
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And the logic of starting another thread with a misleading title being ?

Edit: IB4TL


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Few inputs

1. A map of the location would help people understand the details. I will post the map tomorrow from my PC.

2. Let the MP go thru the courts and if he is found guilty, he should be punished for it thru, preferably, permanent disqualification from elected positions and compensation for administrative expenses.

3. If the MP wins the case, the best solution would be to get alternative land for the MP's college because it is easy to acquire 25-30 acres of land than say 1000-2000 acres of land.

That said,

4. There is no need for a separate thread. This type of issues happen many a day in India.

5. And I protest at the sensationalist title of the thread. Senior members should show some clarity of thought when creating new threads.

My first IB4TL


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PostPosted: 28 Nov 2012 15:41 
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http://www.deccanherald.com/content/294 ... tells.html

Shift firing range in Belgaum, State tells Maratha Regiment
Belgaum/Bangalore: Nov 28, 2012 DH News Service

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The Karnataka government has issued an order asking the Maratha Light Infantry Regiment (MLIR) to shift its Baghdad Asmara Firing Range at Savagaon in Belgaum district.

A senior Army officer from the Karnataka and Kerala Sub-area, however, told Deccan Herald that the defence authorities had taken up the matter legally and that it was in a Belgaum court.

“The Army has been using the land since Independence and there was never an issue. The problem began after Belgaum MP Suresh Angadi built a college in the notified area and demanded things we could not oblige,” he said.


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PostPosted: 28 Nov 2012 16:34 
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Cool. My first IBTL.


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PostPosted: 28 Nov 2012 17:35 
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what is IB4TL?


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PostPosted: 28 Nov 2012 18:32 
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This is not IB4TL.

It is an important issue where a politician is trying to show his supremacy over Army. Army has to be fully supported and the politician's design has to be defeated. An engineering college can be developed in umpteen no. of places. But in India developing a firing range is very difficult.

Probably it could be covered in some other existing thread but then this issue will not be that important. A seperate thread for this topic is fine. Not every thread needs to complete 100 pages.


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PostPosted: 28 Nov 2012 19:23 
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IB4TL

"In Before The Lock"

This should be in Indian Army News and Discussion.


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IB4TL Onleee


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PostPosted: 28 Nov 2012 20:27 
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darshhan wrote:
This is not IB4TL.

It is an important issue where a politician is trying to show his supremacy over Army. Army has to be fully supported and the politician's design has to be defeated. An engineering college can be developed in umpteen no. of places. But in India developing a firing range is very difficult.


There is a reason for a separate thread. It must draw attention. The man has built a college in the area and is now asking the army to get out. The BJP government of Karnataka, ably elected by the hard work of Shri Yediyurappa has now asked the Maratha Light Infantry regiment to stop work and get out.

Knowing how the government issues licences for new colleges and knowing how well land records are maintained, cloned, duplicated and modified in Karnataka, and knowing dozens of people who have been pushed out by land sharks with political clout, I am only surprised that they have the gumption to push the army out.

I think the issue needs attention. I will certainly be watching to see how the army victimized poor Shri Angadi.

I believe the issue needs some attention.


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As promised,

This is what we are talking about
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My follow-up questions

1. Why didn't IA put a notice with the local registrar office that no transactions (Buy/Sell) should be allowed on its lands using the survey numbers? Banks do this all the time to stop illegal transactions on the lands they mortgage.

2. Why didn't IA go to court all these years? It seems that the honorable MP built a good size of college there.

3. Why is there a Karnata Housing Board colony in the middle? Is it for military/police personnel or for general public?

To Shiv-ji's point -

This is no rocket science. Army cantonments were established outside cities. But over time, the cities grew and the cantonments ended up in the middle of cities. There are many places where there are demands that the cantonments are relocated. One example is Secunderabad Cantonment.


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It is ironic that the Army has to defend its own land holdings against encroachment by the poverty stricken people of Karnataka. I have been seeing many news items of the sort below which is what drew my attention to the poor honorable minister who is being victimized by the army

http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/repor ... ty_1660516
'Fighting defence land encroachment is priority'
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After taking charge, Venugopal said that tackling encroachment of ministry of defence’s (MoD) land in metros, especially in Bangalore, was a major challenge. There was lot of demand for land in the metros particularly in Bangalore due to its scarcity and there were numerous incidents of encroachment. Army, which is the custodian of these lands, is serious to secure them, he added.

“The MoD has been carrying out joint surveys throughout the country to take back the ministry’s land. We will be interacting with the state government and the civil administration to ensure that the land belonging to the MoD is safeguarded,” said Venugopal.

The MoD owns about 5,000 acres of land in Bangalore and there have been eight cases of encroachment.

Though the sub-area did not disclose how many acres of land has been encroached in Bangalore, out-going GOC Pradhan said that the smallest encroachment of land reported was 6,000 sq ft and the largest being two acre.

“Encroachment is more in Bangalore when compared to other centres,” he said.


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Here is the Army's statement from October 2012
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 970972.ece
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Addressing a press conference here on Friday, he said that MLIRC and JLW were premier training institutes of the Indian Army engaged in training officers. The Army had been conducting training in the ‘A–1 Defence land’ covering 523 acres (owned by the Army since 1908). Also, the State government had earmarked 6,500 acres surrounding its land through notifications; the latest was issued on May 25, 2000 for a period of 20 years (i.e., up to 2020).

This area, notified as Bagdad-Asmara Firing Range by the State government had been declared danger zone, which had been allegedly encroached upon by vested interests.

This firing range was being utilised to impart integrated training exclusively for small arms firing, grenade throwing and manoeuvre exercises. Significantly, the range assumed importance as several joint military exercises with the Armies of other countries were being conducted at this range.

Presently, he said a security wall was being constructed around the defence land to maintain its sanctity, but not around the notified area as farmers had allegedly apprehended. He clarified that farmers or general public needn’t be apprehensive over construction of the security wall as it would not affect traffic.

He said the traffic movement was affected only for a few minutes when firing practices were carried out. All precautions were taken. Normally, firing exercises were conducted 8 to 10 times a month within the defence land and 18 times in the Bagdad range in a year.

He said farmers were free to carry out agricultural operations in the notified area. But no other infrastructure developments could be taken up without obtaining ‘No-objection certificate’ from the local Army authority. On the controversy surrounding an engineering college coming up in the Bagdad Asmara Firing Range, Brig. Kurup said the Army had not issued any ‘no-objection’ certificate to the management of the institution.


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shiv wrote:
It is ironic that the Army has to defend its own land holdings against encroachment by the poverty stricken people of Karnataka. I have been seeing many news items of the sort below which is what drew my attention to the poor honorable minister who is being victimized by the army

There is nothing ironic here.

Like everyone else, Army need to keep track of its lands, resources and so on.


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Army firing ranges shrinking.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/294 ... g-due.html

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The number of firing ranges with the Army is shrinking every year due to encroachments, unauthorised occupation and land rights of state governments, Defence Minister A K Antony said today.

"Yes," he said, when asked in a written query in Lok Sabha whether due to urbanisation, encroachment, unauthorised occupation and land rights of the state governments, the land for firing ranges with the armed forces was shrinking every year.

The Minister said the out of the 104 firing ranges held by the Army in 2009, "38 were deleted from the list due to they not being available for use by Army and also not being re-notified by State Governments concerned in spite of relentless efforts".

"Out of the remaining 66 firing ranges of Army, 15 are currently de-notified by various state governments. As regards the IAF and the Navy, no ranges have been denotified," he said.


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As expected. This is Karnataka after all. The land records have been meddled with and two different copies are there - one set with army and another with the Tehsildar's office :rotfl:
http://newindianexpress.com/states/karn ... 316735.ece
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On Friday, a piece of 16.8-acre land within the Bagdad-Asmara Firing Range at Savagaon in Belgaum happened to be the bone of contention between the two parties.

Sources in the Army Station headquarters here, who did not want to disclose their names, told Express on Saturday that it seems that the original records of the Revenue Department were changed by some ‘vested interests’ to encroach upon the Army land.

The fresh spell of trouble over the land started when a group of people led by Angadi objected to the construction of a compound wall covering even the 16.8-acre ‘disputed’ land. Following this, Belgaum tahsildar Preetam Nasalapure verified the records on Friday. After the verification, the tahsildar tried to convince the Army authorities that according to the Revenue Department records, the land belongs to the state government. But the Army authorities were not willing to believe his version. They firmly told the tahsildar that they are in possession of documents to prove that the whole area, including the 16.8-acre land, is owned by the Army.


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Who was in power in 2000?

Why did they allow selling land to a BJP MP in 2001?


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http://www.business-standard.com/genera ... aum/69534/
Engg college comes up on army's firing range field in Belgaum
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An MP from Karnataka has allegedly constructed an engineering college on a field firing range in Belgaum belonging to the army, which is already facing shortage of these practice fields for training its personnel.

Sources said Angadi Institute of Technology and Management has not got 'No Objection Certificate' (NOC) from civil or military authorities.

Defence Minister A K Antony has also sent two letters to the MP who has been demanding denotification of the firing range which is available with the army till 2020, they said.

Belgaum is an important military base of the army and houses the Commando school and the regimental centre of the Maratha Light Infantry regiment.

About 10 years back, the Army had 104 ranges but the numbers have come down to 66 including 12 acquired and 54 notified ranges.

Thirty-eight field firing ranges have been taken away from the army and re-notified in this period, they said.

The issue of shortage of these ranges also came up for discussion during the ongoing Army Commanders' Conference.

There are ranges in the Kargil and Srinagar areas also where demands have come from the local representatives for denotifying them for public use, sources said.

However, the Army has been able to get a new firing range in Rewa in Madhya Pradesh which will be ready for use in next few years.


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They should simply practice with hand explosives very near to the college walls. And also start a public campaign that it may not be safe for children going to those colleges.

Anyways the army has the range only till 2020 which is another 8 years. What are its plans after that?


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I am quoting from Wikpedia here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_Raj#Land_Mafias
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In cities and villages throughout India, mafias consisting of municipal and other government officials, elected politicians, judicial officers, real estate developers and law enforcement officials, acquire, develop and sell land in illegal ways for profit.[23] Sometimes, government land or land ostensibly acquired for some legitimate government purpose is then handed over to real estate developers who build commercial and residential properties and sell them in the open market, often with the connivance of administrative and police officials.[24]


This is the first time I am seeing the army getting hit although the Adarsh scam saw army officers on the side of the mafia.


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Was the Army sleeping when the college was being built ?


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Chinmayanand wrote:
Was the Army sleeping when the college was being built ?

The college was built near a firing range so I just wonder who was asleep. Was the army sleeping is a good rhetorical question and I guess the court will decide who was sleeping and who was not sleeping. Interestingly the politician himself has stated that he army was sleeping while he build a college without a No objection certificate from the army. Building a college in a firing range is one way of keeping students awake in class.

http://allaboutbelgaum.com/news/no-noc- ... ts-angadi/
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The Hindu today reports, and we quote “Suresh C. Angadi, MP, and chairman of the Suresh Angadi Education Foundation, Belgaum, has admitted, although belatedly, that his foundation did not get a No Objection Certificate or consent from the Defence Department to establish an engineering college in the danger zone of an Army weapons firing range in Savagaon, on the outskirts of the city. Speaking to presspersons here on Saturday, Mr. Angadi said he chose not to take the permissions on the advice of his lawyer.”


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[quote="shiv"]As expected. This is Karnataka after all. The land records have been meddled with and two different copies are there - one set with army and another with the Tehsildar's office :rotfl:
http://newindianexpress.com/states/karn ... 316735.ece
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Hey Shiv just because you stay in bangalore do not take the credit for your state.

Any state in India is capable of doing such things !!!!

Remember the great DM of a neighbouring state wanted to sell off ALL the defence cantonment lands ????

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Chinmayanand wrote:
Was the Army sleeping when the college was being built ?


What should have the army done? And how do we know that it did not make representations to the Civil Administration - which of course, would not give 2-bits about any such complaints.

The area on which the college has come up falls in the danger zone earmarked around the actual firing range - while the state government has notified it as danger zone, I don't think the land was transferred to the Defense Estate Management Department. It is for the Civil Administration to ensure that no construction comes up in this area.

This case is somewhat akin to the illegal construction within 900 meters of IAF ammunition depot in Gurgaon - now, as per the rules, nothing can come up within 900 meters of such an ammunition depot. But the local development authorities turned a blind eye and gave all sorts of development permission. Even parts of Maruti Factory in Gurgaon and some HUDA (Haryana Urban Development Authority) colonies fall under this 900 meter limit. And of course, you had the illegal work going on as usual (illegal colonies) in parallel to this.

Now, while the Punjab and Haryana HC asked local civic bodies to demolish the structures, the Supreme Court has given stay on demolition till some settlement is found - no new construction is allowed.


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Rohit, anyone in India who has not bought land and then been thrown out/threatened or screwed by land mafia with the cooperation of the local municipal/govt authorities does not know how government officials become rich by occupying more and more land. You only have to spend 20 lakhs on land and then find in court that fake papers have been duplicated to understand how things work in India. Then you really find out who is asleep.

What surprises me is that this forum is so full of people cussing Nehru for saying "not a blade of grass" while govt representatives are busy encroaching on a firing range and other army land. It's not as if the army owns it. But here the land has gone from temporary public notifiaction to private ownership . A college has been built on land notified for a firing range and the army is being asked to get out. Were the so called farmers who owned the land sleeping for decades? Was the right honourable member of parliament unaware that there was a firing range nearby while he sought and obtained permission from the local municipal authorities and then went right ahead and built the college? What has been done appears to be a fait accompli.

The government has notified the land and while the land was in that notified state for army use, the MP has bought the land from farmers, possibly at an advantageous price and then built a college within the danger zone. Why not get this MP to build a college on the LoC or Aksai Chin? After all he is wide awake unlike the army which is asleep and is bold enough to face live fire. We need such bold patriots for our Bharat Mata'a protection.


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Angadi Institute of technology website
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@Shiv Sir - you forget, I am supposed to be a real estate consultant by profession :mrgreen: :P :mrgreen:

I deal with these things in me work life....and hence, I really find the response from people to be really naive. Another thing which is lost in this debate - How did the college manage to get affiliation from the university it is affiliated to? Did the University Inspection team not realize that the college is situated in proximity to firing range of the IA and hence, there is a safety hazard?

Even if there is no restriction in terms of sale-purchase of land in this zone, the nature of development activity is bound to be limited and most likely to be limited to only agriculture. Any commercial/residential/college development would be against the basis tenet of this notification.

So, how did the 'patriotic' MP obtain Change of Land Use (CLU) from agriculture to institutional from the local government to set up college?

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@Shiv Sir - you forget, I am supposed to be a real estate consultant by profession :mrgreen: :P :mrgreen:

I deal with these things in me work life....and hence, I really find the response from people to be really naive. Another thing which is lost in this debate - How did the college manage to get affiliation from the university it is affiliated to?


And I am in a profession where my colleagues are often recruited as ghost staff in colleges hundreds of Km away to be present on the day of inspection onlee for licensing. Check the fee structure. 1000 students. 1 lakh a year per student. Screw the army. They can go to hell Everyone else can be bought.


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Chinmayanand wrote:
Was the Army sleeping when the college was being built ?


What should have the army done? And how do we know that it did not make representations to the Civil Administration - which of course, would not give 2-bits about any such complaints.


How do we know that it did. It could have informed the Defence ministry , it could have moved to the courts.
Our Army is also not maryadawadi shri Ramchandra. Did it not sell its land to builders ? Anyway , in a clash of two corrupt titans , aam junta can just stay out and watch.


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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2012 12:35 
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How do we know that it did. It could have informed the Defence ministry , it could have moved to the courts.
Our Army is also not maryadawadi shri Ramchandra. Did it not sell its land to builders ? Anyway , in a clash of two corrupt titans , aam junta can just stay out and watch.


Isn't that Lahori Logic at play here?

Why bring in the "Sold land to developers" argument here when the land does not belong to the Army in the first place? It has been stated clearly that no NOC was given by the defense authorities...as for moving the court - move the court on what grounds and against whom? Does it have authority to do the same?

As for informing the MOD - if you has bothered to read the news report posted by Shiv - the MOD has been asking him to move away from the land - So, that takes care of the informing the authorities bit.


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India army loses half its firing ranges
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The Indian army has lost half its firing ranges over the past three years due to urbanisation and encroachments, says an army spokesperson.The number of ranges at different locations across the country to the army, has gone from 106 to 51.

It does have an effect on our training, but we find our ways and means,” says Colonel Jagdeep Dahiya.

With a 1.1 million strong force, the Indian army is one of the largest in the world.

The army owns some of the ranges but others are on land leased from state governments for a “specific period of time”.

As the demand for land grows in India, state governments are not renewing the leases because they want to use the land for development projects.

“Presently we are meeting our requirements but of course the crunch is there. We are looking at ways about it,” says Colonel Dahiya.

Encroachment by locals on other ranges is also hampering the army’s ability to effectively carry out their training.

“How will you know the efficiency of your force and weapons if you don’t get to fire at the firing range,” asks defence expert, retired Major General Afsar Kareem.

“No weapon works on its own. You need to test how a specific weapon works under different conditions, during day and night,” he adds.

The army is negotiating with the state governments to resolve the issue and is also hoping to buy more ranges.


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The Army has 66 field firing ranges at the moment which is having an impact on its capability to train its soldiers and practice live firing of weapon systems.

Recently, defence minister A K Antony had said that out of the 104 firing ranges held by the Army in 2009, "38 were deleted from the list due to their not being available for use by the Army and also not being re-notified by state governments concerned in spite of relentless efforts".

Out of the remaining 66 firing ranges of the Army, 15 are currently de-notified by various state governments,
he had said.


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This misery is going to be short lived as honest Shri SM Krishna government will be back in couple of months. Until then Karnataka needs to have some patience. All the corruption will be uprooted.


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PostPosted: 08 Mar 2013 12:42 
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This misery is going to be short lived as honest Shri SM Krishna government will be back in couple of months. Until then Karnataka needs to have some patience. All the corruption will be uprooted.

Was this sarcasm, if yes great work. if not then you really are one hell of a optimistic guy.
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Although i have been hovering on this forum for quite some years now, this is my first post :D


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