Bharat Rakshak

Singha, I think there was 1 test of Shaheen(m-9) over the sea.

I don't the fear is American recovery of parts, the fear is the Missile not adhereing to path or range notified in the Notam and causing H&D loss. Khan and everybody knows what is needed to be known

Imagime telling the average abdul Ghauri has a range of 1300Km and Notam was issued for 400KM or it internationally verifiable that the missile veered of the path given in the Notam. Such H&D loss would be tremendrous blow for the PA, thats why Pakistan does not have any failures in its Missile tests for the last 15 years.

Even the public disclosure in the media of Shaheen 1A 1500km test as claimed by PA flew over 673KM based on our ABM radar tracking caused huge Khujli to the PA brass.

And remember Painted Missiles bought in shady deals you have 3 contraints if a missile test fails publically 1) You have bought a limited number, so can't test repeats just to satisfy public H&D, replacements will extract a heavy price

2) You dont know what went wrong in the tests and can't be seen pubically having CHinese and N. Korean engineers investigating the cause or reason for the failure, anther big blow to H&D,

3) Some abdul in Paki will try to hold those engineers for ransom, even before this test, some Chinese engineers and equipment or soem obcure civilian programme was damaged and Sindh Governer was called in, I can bet my bottom dollar it had something to do with this test.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2012 ... y=nav|head

Interesting Article.






Technical lapses would have seen F 16's falling from the sky (unless not being reported). Perhaps there is an indication of a critical state of ageing hardware. Matters could be worse in years to come.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... -in-a-year

ghauri and scud share the same genes I think via different routes. scuds were known for breaking up in the terminal phase, a fact which unexpectedly made it more difficult to intercept for the PAC-1 missiles in desert storm...one of them leaked through and KIA some 29 people in a barracks.

its the shaheen family based on more modern DF-xx line that is likely to work.

Some crap from the farticle which is linked in Ganesh_S post



As well accepting some facts



It seems the North Korean missiles are duds for H&D purpose of range, it is the M-9's which have Delhi in crosshairs which consist of the Paki deterent.

Pakistan fires its Ghauri missiles (built at Kahuta) from the Maksood Testing Range next to Jhelum Cantt in Northern Pakistan. Their landing site is usually the sonmiani testing range west of Karachi or the Thal Firing range in central punjab. The flight path distance is 1000 Km only.

Now assuming they fired this missile from the Maksood firing range, just look at what all places lie in the missile's path!

From North to South:
1. Sargodha airforce base
2. Khushab Nuclear Reactors
3. Thal firing range
4. Shorkot, Jhang
5. Multan & the Chemical Plant complex (U extraction)
6. Sukkur
7. Karachi is very close

Also very close to the flight path are the cities of:
1. Faisalabad
2. Rahimyar khan.

Pakistan has the following airbases with radars to possibly track the missile in the flight path, or bear the brunt of the impact - AoA:
1. Sargodha
2. Rafiqui, shorkot
3. Rahimyarkhan
4. Sukkur
5. Karachi
etc etc.


So this is the "SAFE ZONE" that the pak fauj was describing in the missile path: Includes Nuclear reactors, Uranium extraction plants, heavily populated cities, airbases with weapons storages etc.

Pakistan-se-zinda-bhaag

Also, if the missile disintegrated and fell at Dadu, and was fired from Jhelum, the range of the missile is 850-880 km only.

A test failure for sure.

WTF ! They are firing their missiles with flight path over populated land ? There is no law against it ?

more funnier...a nuke site and chem site is in the path

Its much safer where only pakis die than allowing International shipping and aircraft be put at risk by countries firing missiles without knowing how they work.

Presumably they use the american tpq77 radars in these airbases to track the test.

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Hatf-V/Ghauri test fails, missile crashes in Pakistani village

These are N Korean Missiles, Pakistan neither has the radar to track the BM nor is thier any telementry data, so the Pakistani miltary would have known something is wrong only once the villagers reported the matter and it became media hysteria whether it was a Message from Allah, otherwise if it fell on Hills in Balushistan nobody would have known what happenned.

TWIW

For long there's a gup-shup doing rounds in dilli durbar, all TSPian missiles have a ''range-limit'' akin ''speed-limit'' courtesy the Chinni Bandhus. Short range ok but long range big no no for Chinis don't want to see a mushroom cloud in their own Han kingdom that too with their own maal but painted green . Ever wonder why NoKos too have a range limit. Uncle Han sadly has no perceived insurance provider other than itself or himself or herself or whatever.

India should be concerned as some X lab in Pakistan will recover the pieces and reverse engineer to produce a new missile

no worries they will produce crap only from crap

With all those nice targets along the missile flight path and passing close to the Indian border, we should find ways to make them fall on these locations, their ability to track the missile in its mid phase is questionable

It seems there was a disagreement between the computer and the rest of the mijjile.
The computer was being too logical and was exiled.
The mijjile (belonging to the PA) was doing its own thing as usual ...

--Ashish

MAR-1 anti radiation missile in PAF inventory:

http://i.imgur.com/3fe1O.jpg

And what looks like a runway denial weapon:

http://i.imgur.com/V216G.jpg

They keep purchasing odds and ends from brazil and the leftover denel of south africa.

They cannot afford american or french weapons unless offered free under goat, for cost reasons. And cheen weapons you know how great they are by paki reluctance.

Maybe there were some Ahmedi or Shia parts? Need to check the manufacturing and launch personnel for Ahmedis and Shias and kill a couple to play it safe.

True, but we need to look at the end result. After the depths of ~1990 - 2005, PAF has:

1. AEW
2. IFR
3. BVR AAMs
4. BVR land attack missiles
- Tactical (MAR-1, H4)
- Strategic
5. ACMI range (IIRC)
6. Range of LGBs
7. New fleet of advanced F-16s
8. Young JF-17 fleet that has replaced legacy MiG-19 and Fantans

only variety not quantity. Like a beggar who has variety of denominations.

Sorry, for the size and requirements PAF has pretty big fleet. Big Enough for the IAF not to get AIr dominance and International intervention.

they have remarkbly upgraded capability in the last 7 years.

Their mirage3 , mirage5 and f6/f7 fleet are obsolete and unable to cope with modernized iaf in a pny format.

F solah seems capped at 72 max how apt

Bandar isnt really panning out to be the mini rafale that was expected.

We are going to roll them over and pound them in a cagefight and they know it.

And while we are loading up on akash and spyder and funded mrsam, their cupboard is bare as usual barring vshorads.

Ghauri incident shows that pakistan itself is a victim of missile proliferation and its people suffer the most.

One suspect this was not the first time that the xerox-maal did not work, since their "testing" news releases *never* says any details of accuracy, terminal videos etc. Only this time, it leaked out, due to some reasons beyond their control.

Noko got fizzle-bums from bakis and bakis got dud mijjiles from Noko. Both their tests are an embarrassment to self. "Pax Cheenikaya" at its best

Dud Gauri parts that fell apart...

can anyone ID which part of the missile it is...?

An Usman Ansari writing in Defense News reports that the Ghauri / Hatf V ballistic missile test of November 28, 2012 was a failure, a fact that is being covered up the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s military.

Also reports that the first 1998 test of the Ghauri aka Hatf V was a failure that led to a missile breakup with debris falling in Iran:

Pakistani Ballistic Missile Test Failed

Lots of info here. the launch was possibly from Pakjab, south of Islamabad. It is one stage as Wiki says. Something has broken up over Sindh.

So Pakis once they launch it do not know whether it will to go to Sindh or Baluchistan

Hatf V is North Korean Nodong


Nodong


Ghauri /Hatf V

Pathetic Quality control wrt cabling. A local electrician could do a better job.

Even Iranians are buying Nodong missiles from NK

http://www.asian-defence.com/2012/12/ir ... .html#more

All non-purest are shot dead in pakistan so this leaves it the work of the purest alone.
Escalation : Links between violent sectarian groups and the Pakistani Taliban are growing

Notice the "Before the blasts" part, too.

What takes the cake, it was the failed Ghauri test April 1998 which finally convinced the indian leadership that the Shakti tests need to be undertaken and the Agni development of missiles were required. Looks Khan and Cheens seriously allowed Munna to go too far which finally made reality dawn on us.

The picture on the left is a section of the fuel tank. Not sure about the one of the right but the level of plumbing suggests sections above the motor combustor. The missile really broke up at multiple points here.

Well it is keeping in line with noko chinese quality control.

Looks like the vehicle broke up during the descent phase if it made it till Dadu from Jhelum. Comments about stage separation are nonsense for single stage vehicle.
Most likely the vehicle descended sideways instead of nose first and thus broke up. Could be a wiring short in the flight computer leading to the sideways descent.


The right hand picture is the controls. Add the inof that the motor section fell near Dadu. And the mess of wire without wrapping into a cable shows shorts are easy to occur.

So big picture we know of three failures of this bird so far?
First flight, some other with debris in Iran(how did that happen? Sounds like jathethe Japan pounch gaye Cheen) and this one? Out of 14 flights?

Hmmm who are we to judge the super ijlamic mijjile. There waj no failure. The First one was a controlled explosion using djinn tecknik and the second one waj transfer of technology to ijlamic birathers of I-ran. Thij breaking up technik demonstrated is a super duper way of defeating SDRE ABM.

Even during one of the infrequent democratic interregnums, the military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan shows that when all is said and done they are the ultimate boss of the country and can bamboozle any civilian:



Read it all in The News:

MI goes door-to-door to get information on journalists