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care to explain that we don't have NLOS , Thanks.
Just saw your post. With NLOS, I mean, NLOS and JUMPER and Spike NLOS etc,
You will agree that India has nothing that compares to these weapons.
vasu raya wrote:
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care to explain that we don't have NLOS , Thanks.
Dump and replace with what? There is only a small number of new aircraft coming in. The IAF has to stick to it's planned phaseout schedule. The squadron strength is low as it is.P.Bhagat wrote: It's about time to dump these workhorses, they have done their job quite well... nice to see the pilot was safe
Really glad to see that the pilot was safe. Always harrowing when things like this happen. Then again, it was a WC piloting the bird!karan_mc wrote:MiG-21 crashes in Gujarat, pilot safe
I thought DARIN III upgrade would include an in flight refuelling probe.A Sharma wrote:HAL's Jaguar Darin III Makes Maiden Flight
Darin II did not include IFR probe did it? The IFR was specifcally highlighted as part of the in Aero India.chiru wrote:@ shiv it does have a refueling probe, similar to the darin II but its inside the fuselage like this
Hmm. This was just a formal "announcement". The Jags have been up and doing circuits around Bangalore with a lot of noise between 7:00 and 8:00 in the mornings for the past week or so.A Sharma wrote:HAL's Jaguar Darin III Makes Maiden Flight
I think the radar is EL/M 2032. Would bring about the commonality with the IMs and the Harriers. Would like to know its capabilities against aerial targets (The radar will be smaller than on the LCA).The so-called ‘D-3 Jaguar IS’ are featuring the same HUD as on LCA ‘Tejas’, along with three MFD-55 AMLCDs supplied by THALES-Samtel Display Systems and full HOTAS controls, all utilising a MIL-STD-1553B digital databus. The core avionics computer – reportedly the same as in the MiG-27UPG upgrade at HAL-Nasik – is the OSAMC (Open Systems Architecture Mission Computer) originally developed by DARE and now produced by an India-US joint venture involving HAL, ‘Edge Tech India’ and US-based ‘Edgewood Ventures LLC’.
Chinese nuclear-capable SU-27 fighter aircraft came close to a confrontation with Indian Air Force jets on October 30 afternoon in the Tawang region of Arunachal Pradesh, says a report in the Delhi tabloid Mail Today.
The news report, said to be based on reports filed by the IAF and external intelligence agency RAW , says, on October 30, some IAF jets were on a routine sortie mission in Arunachal Pradesh, when the Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force's Lhasa-based radar picked them up, setting off a chain reaction.
At 3:04 pm, two chinese nuclear-armed Sukhoi-27 jets took off from Gonggar air base in Tibet to confront the IAF jeets. The Chinese aircraft, according to the Mail Today report, flew southeast towards the Indian side, and were picked up on the radar at 3:29 pm near Cuona.
single seat jags had IFR probes since the beginning but i think the twin seat ones, having an external fixed probe were introduced later on from 2008, im not sure if it was linked with the Darin III upg.shiv wrote:Darin II did not include IFR probe did it? The IFR was specifcally highlighted as part of the in Aero India.
At 3:04 pm, two chinese nuclear-armed Sukhoi-27 jets took off from Gonggar air base in Tibet to confront the IAF jeets.
chiru wrote:single seat jags had IFR probes since the beginningshiv wrote:Darin II did not include IFR probe did it? The IFR was specifcally highlighted as part of the in Aero India.
Huh?? What S#!t is this?wig wrote:
http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/i ... 18846.html
At 3:04 pm, two chinese nuclear-armed Sukhoi-27 jets took off from Gonggar air base in Tibet
nuclear-enabled.. nuclear capable.. nuclear armed.. ... the most commonly overused sensationalism tactics of desi jurnos..shiv wrote:
Must this reprter shiver so much in his dhoti that the minute he thinks China he says "nuclear armed". Why would nuclear armed fighters take off for an interception? The standards of defence reporting remain below par in India, although they have improved.
The prowess of IAF’s front line fighter aircraft Su-30MKI is set to get a boost with plans to equip them with missiles having a strike range of around 300 kilometers. The plan is to upgrade the first 80 Su-30MKIs to the level ‘Super Sukhois’ which will have highly advanced radars and weapon systems, IAF sources told PTI here.
Su-30 MKIs have been inducted into IAF in four phases. The ones to be upgraded are from the first phase and the project is likely to be completed in the next three to four years, they said.
I thought Irbis was still PESA, any idea whats the AESA and how many TR modules given the SU-30 nose size. This radar could be deep penerating indeed.nits wrote:IAF to upgrade 80 Su-30MKIs to ‘Super Sukhoi’ standard
The prowess of IAF’s front line fighter aircraft Su-30MKI is set to get a boost with plans to equip them with missiles having a strike range of around 300 kilometers. The plan is to upgrade the first 80 Su-30MKIs to the level ‘Super Sukhois’ which will have highly advanced radars and weapon systems, IAF sources told PTI here.
Su-30 MKIs have been inducted into IAF in four phases. The ones to be upgraded are from the first phase and the project is likely to be completed in the next three to four years, they said.
CAG puts offset question to Defence Ministry
By N C Bipindra | ENS - NEW DELHI
Published: 02nd Dec 2012
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The defence ministry, while admitting that DFI proposals do not qualify for offsets, noted that the same had been conveyed to Boeing. (FilePTI)
The defence ministry, while admitting that DFI proposals do not qualify for offsets, noted that the same had been conveyed to Boeing. (FilePTI)
Was Defence Minister AK Antony party to his ministry’s decision to waive rules in favour of US aerospace major Boeing to escape its obligation to plough back $1.74 billion as offset into the Indian defence and aerospace industry? India’s Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) has put the defence ministry on the mat over the $4.1-billion deal with Boeing to supply 10 C-17 Globemaster heavy lift cargo planes for the Indian Air Force (IAF) and eight P-8I Poseidon long-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft for the Indian Navy. The defence offset policy mandates that a foreign vendor who wins any Indian defence contract worth over Rs 300 crore ($55 million) should plough back at least 30 per cent of the deal back into India.
On Boeing’s P-8I deal, the company had agreed to provide DFI worth $153.90 million (Rs 750 crore) in the form of safety, reliability and air-worthiness seminars; establishment of fire finder classrooms; transfer of metallurgy and hydraulic lab facilities; composite manufacturing assembly/tooling; mobile broadband; friction stir welding and aero structures tools and processes. CAG objected that these, too, don’t fall under the three offset rules. “The DFI proposals relating to safety, reliability and airworthiness seminars and establishment of fire finder class rooms were not valid offset as there was no value addition through the IOP. The remaining proposals relating to transfer of metallurgy/hydraulic lab facilities, composite manufacturing assembly/tooling were also a kind of direct import without any value addition through the IOP,” the CAG audit found.
The defence ministry, while admitting that these DFI proposals do not qualify for offsets, noted that the same had been conveyed to Boeing, which had not yet claimed offset credit so far. Defence companies are awarded points for executing their offset responsibilities. The CAG isn’t convinced. “The reply, however, does not reckon the fact that the elements of offset once included in the contract are liable to be claimed by the vendor. Moreover, even if a claim by the vendor is not admitted by the ministry, offset deficit of $153.90 million (Rs 750 crore) would still remain,” says the report.
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It is very clear that for some strange reason the present government wants to grovel before the US. This again will go against the government in the coming Gujarat elections. It is equally clear that the CIA/Pentagon machinery has for many years used funding through some religious assemblies to further its own interests in India. The government of India and Sonia Gandhi in particular must make their stand on this issue clear.There must be a clear white paper trail of how funds of religious organisations throughout India receiving aid from abroad are being used. Equally important is for Modi to state his stand on the issue. Its high time we bring to an end funding from abroad once and for all with respect to religious organisations.They are sowing the seeds of divide and rule
Posted by Raj at 12/02/2012 10:50 Reply to this Report abuse
Well the deal must be scrapped if the rules were not followed This again goes to show that some sections of the defence industry are on the pay roll of the Pentagon To my mind Antony himself is honest and a true Indian who cannot be bought by the US But there are many in the defence ministry unfortunately who can I again stress that in addition to a certain amount of money being ploughed back into Indian Industry, transfer of technology is a must and there must be a clear time table for India to become completely self reliant in the Defence sector over the coming decade
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Now watch out for nuclear powered Chinese SU 27s.Prithwiraj wrote:nuclear-enabled.. nuclear capable.. nuclear armed.. ... the most commonly overused sensationalism tactics of desi jurnos..shiv wrote:
Must this reprter shiver so much in his dhoti that the minute he thinks China he says "nuclear armed". Why would nuclear armed fighters take off for an interception? The standards of defence reporting remain below par in India, although they have improved.
I would not mind not another 100 odd Jaguars DARIN III, with Honeywell engines and CBU-105 and some mini/micro Brahmos and Crystal Maze and some additional bells-and-whistles. Base them at Jorhat, Dibrugarh, Hashimara and Bagdogra.Septimus P. wrote:With the CBU-105 SFW deliveries to begin early next year, Jag Darin 3s will be the first to recieve these. Jag is about to become the dealiest ground pounder in our arsenal till offcourse the Raffy arrives. I think we need to order another 2500 CBUs asap.
^^ How do i reduce the size of the 1st image to make it inline?The eighth Indo-Singapore Joint Military Training (JMT) between Indian Air Force (IAF) and Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF), held annually at Air Force Station, Kalaikunda, West Bengal, concluded on Friday. The JMT earlier began on October 16.
The JMT held under a bilateral agreement signed between the two countries help both Air Forces gain greater understanding of each other's concept of operations. The first JMT was held in 2006.
IAF Su-30 MKI and MiG-27 aircraft participated together with RSAF F-16D Block 52+ Fighting Falcons during the six week, day-night joint drills. The RSAF detachment comprised 30 officers and 87 personnel. The RSAF Fighting Falcons have flown back to Singapore today in the morning, said Air Officer Commanding, Air Commodore R Radhish from Kalaikunda.
Leh and other high-alt bases apart, the IAF has a definite advantage across the board at all its bases. Taking off from almost sea level both in the Gangetic and Brahmaputra basin, IAF fighters can do full-load take offs with very efficient runway length utilization. Even hot days are manageable because of the high density of the air.While AWACS and long range AAMs are a buzz-word these days - how will the fighters fare at this altitude? IAF fighters taking off from virtual sea-level and PLAAF taking from 10K+ feet airbases.
Answering this from a pure air-to-air engagement perspective, 25,000 ft to 45,000 ft is kind of the sweet spot for long range air engagements for gen 4++ aircraft. Turbofan engines in today's A2A fighters are optimised for this altitude regime, this applies to both the IAF and the PLAAF. Launching missiles in this region offers good kinematic performance. (Gen 5 -- Raptor, PAK-FA etc are optimised for 55,000 ft plus offering its own advantages but that's beyond the scope of this question)- in terms of air-combat performance in the 20k-30k feet (ASL) sub-set, how do Indian and PLAAF aircraft fare?
Definitely if you want to use LGBs you would look at dropping the bombs from 25,000 ft+. Here again bomb kits need to be calibrated for the higher altitude release and corresponding adjustments might also be need to made on aircraft avionics. But we have knowledge of this from Kargil. Operating at a higher altitude with a full bomb and fuel load will not matter for the aircraft if its engines are optimised for this regime. This is the reason why the Jags are getting new engines.Now, the valley floor is at 14K-15K feet - I am assuming that any ground attack on targets in areas like this will have to commence from 25K-30K feet bracket.