Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Dec 2012 16:08

Indians are good with smaller technology, but Pakistanis are quick to grasp bigger technology with both hands and manipulate them repeatedly till results emerge and success gushes out.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 26 Dec 2012 16:10

Suppiah wrote:Isn't this particular Qadri a Sufi per wiki? How does that reconcile with Barelvi? In any case both are bull cattle per wahabarianism so I guess no need to break our head.... He must have been assigned a soosai or a suitable sun roof lever already

Tahir ul-Qadri is one of the most hyped of the contemporary Ulema of Pakistan, or even the subcontinent one could say. He is also affiliated with the Naqshbandi order, in the maktab of the tariqah of Sh. Ahmad Sirhindi. Tahir ul-Qadri is not only the pride of many sections of Pakistan, but also has been chosen by the Anglos.

sum · Post by **sum** » 26 Dec 2012 16:24

Anujan wrote:Indians are good with smaller technology, but Pakistanis are quick to grasp bigger technology with both hands and manipulate them repeatedly till results emerge and success gushes out.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 26 Dec 2012 16:28

Carl wrote:
Suppiah wrote:Isn't this particular Qadri a Sufi per wiki? How does that reconcile with Barelvi? In any case both are bull cattle per wahabarianism so I guess no need to break our head.... He must have been assigned a soosai or a suitable sun roof lever already
Tahir ul-Qadri is one of the most hyped of the contemporary Ulema of Pakistan, or even the subcontinent one could say. He is also affiliated with the Naqshbandi order, in the maktab of the tariqah of Sh. Ahmad Sirhindi. Tahir ul-Qadri is not only the pride of many sections of Pakistan, but also has been chosen by the Anglos.

So what exactly does he want? Shariah law?

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 26 Dec 2012 17:01

Some more on the Waziri-Mehsud feud

Taliban & Mehsud Tribe Ordered to Quit Region
08 December 2012

Wana: Daily Khabrain, December 2, 2012. A tribal jirga held early this month ordered the Taliban and Mehsud tribe to leave Wana, the capital of South Waziristan after six Taliban cadres were killed and a prominent insurgent leader, Mullah Nazir, was injured in a suicide attack. The area has recently been witness to violent feud between various insurgent and militant groups. The jirga, a committee of tribal leaders from the area, declared that those giving shelter or protecting the Taliban and Mehsood tribesmen would be imposed a fine of Rs 10 lakh or a million rupees. Mehsoods form a significant part of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, a terrorist umbrella group targetting the Pakistani security forces. Nazir was allegedly attacked by the Mehsud tribesmen. Nazir was reportedly heading a group, comprising Uzbek elements, which enjoyed the patronage of Pakistan Army. Nazir was reportedly helping the army to establish a working relationship with the Taliban.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 26 Dec 2012 17:02

Pakistan revenue official made Osama bin Laden pay Rs 50,000 bribe

Even the world's most wanted terrorist could not escape the bribery dragnet. Osama bin Laden's safe-house in Pakistan's garrison city Abbottabad was built after paying a bribe of Rs 50,000 to a revenue official, a media report said on Wednesday.

The bribe was paid to the 'patwari' so that Laden could construct a three-storey building within the compound surrounded by a 14-foot boundary wall and an iron fence.

The al-Qaida chief reportedly described in the diary how he had to bribe revenue officials for constructing his compound.

The patwari, who was later arrested by Pakistani security agencies, was completely ignorant about the identity of bin Laden when he took the bribe.

The diary reportedly revealed that bin Laden was well aware of the practice of revenue officials seeking bribes and even gave his permission for paying off the patwari.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 26 Dec 2012 17:03

kapilrdave wrote:
Carl wrote:Tahir ul-Qadri is one of the most hyped of the contemporary Ulema of Pakistan, or even the subcontinent one could say. He is also affiliated with the Naqshbandi order, in the maktab of the tariqah of Sh. Ahmad Sirhindi. Tahir ul-Qadri is not only the pride of many sections of Pakistan, but also has been chosen by the Anglos.
So what exactly does he want? Shariah law?

Today's Daily Times EDITORIAL : Tahirul Qadri’s agenda

... Most analysts and the variegated leadership of the political class seem to converge on the conclusion that in essence the demand put forward by Qadri to implement various Articles of the constitution before holding elections is an unrealistic and ill-timed initiative that can only lead to a postponement of the elections round the corner if seriously taken up. The notable exceptions are the MQM, which sent a top leadership delegation to the rally, congratulated Qadri on his ‘success’ and regaled the public with Altaf Hussain’s statement from London that he backed Qadri’s stance. Imran Khan too has, in contrast with his own party’s leaders, exhibited a soft corner for Qadri, saying the good doctor has taken up the PTI’s agenda against corruption.

[...]

While Dr Qadri has gone to some lengths to reject any suggestion that he is being instigated or supported by any secret agency or the establishment, most observers are suspicious of the closeness of Dr Qadri’s ostensible agenda and the rumoured toying by the establishment with the idea of postponing if not cancelling the elections in favour of a selected interim setup of uncertain duration (the Bangladeshi model modified to our peculiar circumstances?). Needless to say, based on our history, such an adventure would be an unmitigated disaster. On terrorism, Dr Qadri calls the jihadi extremists and suicide bombers making life hell for the people “sons of the soil”, whom he will support as far as drone strikes are concerned but not to the extent of terrorist actions.

[...]

His political party, the Pakistan Awami Tehreek failed to make any dent in the 1997 elections despite an alliance with the then Benazir-led PPP. In 1999, he openly supported Musharraf’s coup, garnering a parliamentary seat in the rigged elections of 2002 into the bargain, which raises questions about his current posturing vis-à-vis opposing military takeovers and dictatorship. Many of the Articles of the constitution he wants implemented before any elections are a legacy of the Ziaul Haq dictatorship, which the post-2008 elections parliament has been unable to do away with despite the 18th Amendment. The interim setup Dr Qadri wants to oversee the elections should either be composed of, or at least have representation from the judiciary and army. Now if that is not opening the door to an extra-constitutional intervention/setup, it would be difficult to imagine anything more obvious.

[...]

Whether they consider him (and his possible supporters in the establishment) as a sufficient threat to accelerate their efforts to agree a consensus caretaker prime minister and setup also remains to be seen. If Manzoor Wattoo is to be believed, that consensus is tantalisingly close. The political forces inside and outside parliament are agreed that a free, fair, transparent election that would see the peaceful transition from an elected government serving out its full term for the first time in Pakistan’s history to another elected government would be an event of momentous proportions in helping democracy to grow firmer roots and open the door to a better future.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 26 Dec 2012 17:30

Thanks Carl. The huge rally made me wonder. For once I thought he is a reformist in positive way. Internet search was giving me that impression. Thank god he has no plans to do any good for his country. Aaaal ij bell, jingle bell.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Dec 2012 18:04

Sagar G wrote: But Pakistanis are more agile with technology compared to Indians,” he told a select group of journalists on Monday.

This claim is in the same mould as "Pakistanis speak better English" made by Gen. Bandicoot and therefore demand BPOs to be located there rather than in India.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Dec 2012 18:09

Anujan wrote:Indians are good with smaller technology, but Pakistanis are quick to grasp bigger technology with both hands and manipulate them repeatedly till results emerge and success gushes out.

Didn't Ejaz Haider actually measure the lengths of Indian and Pakistani technologies a few years back and then announce the results triumphantly in DT ?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 26 Dec 2012 18:45

From twitter

Borhaan Arifee ‏@Barifee Gruesomely Graphic: Dead bodies of Baloch women & children murdered by Pakistan Army in #Mashkay #BalochistanOperation

pic.twitter.com/K1SBPwXs

partha · Post by **partha** » 26 Dec 2012 22:22

SSridhar wrote:
Sagar G wrote: But Pakistanis are more agile with technology compared to Indians,” he told a select group of journalists on Monday.
This claim is in the same mould as "Pakistanis speak better English" made by Gen. Bandicoot and therefore demand BPOs to be located there rather than in India.

Exactly. That is a strange comment coming from a head of an MNC. It is definitely aimed at boosting the ego of Pakis. To reinforce their belief that Pakis >> Indians. This makes it even more likely that big brother is involved in this company's Pak operations.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Dec 2012 23:58

partha wrote:Coming from a head of an MNC. It is definitely aimed at boosting the ego of Pakis. To reinforce their belief that Pakis >> Indians. This makes it even more likely that big brother is involved in this company's Pak operations.

As is US wont, this is yet another example of US using TSP obsession with India to get their interests. More likely this company is contracted by US govt to keep a data bases of all Pakis, by definition terrorists, so that the ones of interest are monitored by US. In return, as you point out soothe TSP RAPE ego, and materially prop it up artificially to India's level.

negi · Post by **negi** » 27 Dec 2012 00:31

Interesting I just checked on Teradata's website in Asia pacific they don't have any office listed in TSP , they have 3 listed in India though. I was surprised when I read the news about 500 Teradata staff in TSP .

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Dec 2012 00:38

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... h-teradata

Teradata Corporation has entered into an agreement with Telenor Pakistan to extend its Business Analytics to new areas of its business. A Teradata customer since 2005, Telenor Pakistan has been in the forefront of using Data Warehouse and Analytics within Pakistan.

Seems Pakis are having their cell phones eavesdropped by Culinary Institute of Amreeka front company

partha · Post by **partha** » 27 Dec 2012 00:40

negi wrote:Interesting I just checked on Teradata's website in Asia pacific they don't have any office listed in TSP , they have 3 listed in India though. I was surprised when I read the news about 500 Teradata staff in TSP .

TSP office is listed in Middle Yeast page onlee

http://www.teradata.com/contact-us/EMEA/

Pakis are of Arab ancestry onlee. 400% CIA

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Dec 2012 00:40

Today 5 years ago, a street in Pindi was spick and span after a thorough cleaning with high pressure water hose.

http://www.brecorder.com/pakistan/gener ... hutto.html

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 27 Dec 2012 01:20

Teradata also manages its Afghanistan and Bangladesh operations from Pakistan. “We are focusing on growing Bangladesh now. Sri Lanka is a potential next step. We’re doing some business in Afghanistan already, but it’s not nearly as mature as Pakistan,” he says.

Till they are in Pak it's okay but India should be wary as they are planning to spread into Bangladesh and Sri Lanka as well.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 27 Dec 2012 01:25

Seriously, I can't think of anything in Afghanistan/Pacquistan that needs Teradata other than gathering info (finger prints, genetics ityadi) regarding local population, especially when massa is prepping to leave.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 27 Dec 2012 02:40

Anujan wrote:Today 5 years ago, a street in Pindi was spick and span after a thorough cleaning with high pressure water hose.

http://www.brecorder.com/pakistan/gener ... hutto.html

Bebe nana zirzir.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 27 Dec 2012 06:32

India expresses hope Pakistan will grant MFN status by December end.

Shitistani to the Chanakians: Aaja Bachche tujhe hatheli mein chand dikhata hun.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Dec 2012 06:47

Vipul wrote:India expresses hope Pakistan will grant MFN status by December end.

GoI is going to be in for a rude shock.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 27 Dec 2012 06:59

SSji everyone here on BRF knew its not gonna happen, Pukis just wanted the Indians not to object to getting preferential trade access in EU which it could have vetoed.
Makes you really wonder what is the IQ level of the Ch**T*YA's occupying the North and the South Block.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Dec 2012 07:01

this MFN thing was supposed to happen by Dec 2011!!
so in typical nehruvian style the goalpost itself was moved by a year ha ha ha.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 27 Dec 2012 07:31

^^^^
we move with the pakis, hence we appear to be moving our goalpost. nehruvian illusion.

we maintain close distance never letting pakis go out of our grasp.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Dec 2012 08:00

Vipul wrote:Pukis just wanted the Indians not to object to getting preferential trade access in EU which it could have vetoed.

Vipul, the MFN carrot was dangled by TSP to get concessions from India and it also helped them ward off the intense US pressure to normalize trade with us. Apart from the withdrawal of India's objection to EU's preferential treatment of TSP's textile exports under GSP+, as you said, it served many other purposes for Pakistan.

TSP woke up to this in October, 2011 ahead of the SAARC summit in Maldives in November. This helped Man Mohan Singh to go easy on Pakistan when he met Gilani in Maldives, hoping trade would eliminate hostility from Pakistan and that 26/11 case would proceed more smoothly there. Now, Pakistan demanded liberalized visa rules, investment by Pakistanis in India, operation of Pakistani banks here, seats for Pakistani students in Indian universities etc. India conceded all of them.

TSPA waited until the Indian concessions were etched in concrete. Then, they struck. Around July 2012, the TSP Foreign Office stepped in and asked GoP to 'go slow' on this MFN issue. This meant that the orders came directly from Gen. Kayani. TSPA never wanted a liberalized trade with India for various reasons. They instigated simulatenaously Diffa-e-Pakistan Council to organize protests. GoP back tracked and spoke of a gradual process towards granting MFN.

Now that TSPA is firmly back in the saddle with the approval of the US because of the developments in Afghanistan, GoP can no longer decide on the MFN issue. It will be the turn of events in Afghanistan that would decide this.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 27 Dec 2012 08:54

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Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 27 Dec 2012 09:01

Posting this here, because MMS and GoI is every one's favourite topic even on the TSP dhaga. I think this sums up the situation in Nai Dilli:

AOA didn't know where to post this, but here goes:

B Raman on GoI..

· A Prime Minister, who neither rules nor governs nor controls and who is devoid of any warmth in his interactions either in Parliament or with the public,

· A Congress President who exercises vast powers without a proper understanding and appreciation of the feelings and sentiments of the people of this country, specially the youth, and

· The absence of competent political advisers to the Government, who could make good the deficiencies of the political leadership and provide the necessary correctives in dealing with internal crisis situations.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 27 Dec 2012 09:01

SSridhar wrote:
Vipul wrote:Pukis just wanted the Indians not to object to getting preferential trade access in EU which it could have vetoed.
Vipul, the MFN carrot was dangled by TSP to get concessions from India and it also helped them ward off the intense US pressure to normalize trade with us. Apart from the withdrawal of India's objection to EU's preferential treatment of TSP's textile exports under GSP+, as you said, it served many other purposes for Pakistan.

MFN status is not a carrot that can be dangled before India. As a Signatory to the WTO, it is mandatory for all the partcipating countries to bestow this status on one another.India did it way back and not surprisingly like the Dharmic a.k.a apologist entity it is, has refrained itself from lodging a complaint with the WTO body lest pakistan would be forced to give it in a manner that would dent its (non) existent H & D.

Also in this MFN for increased trade/ people to people contact charade, first they agreed/allowed to liberalise trade with India by bringing in the negative list of goods for trade instead of the positive list earlier which increased the number of items that could be brought into pakistan from India through Wagah crossing and accordingly the volume of trade increased, but the Pukis seeing India gaining from it has started to indirectly discourage the trade by severly limiting the number of wagons available for carraige of goods.
Not to mention the same wagons also used by the pakistanis to bring in counterfeit Indian currency and Drugs.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 27 Dec 2012 09:05

The Pakis will never use the letters M - F - N with India.
Marna hai kya?
Hafiz suar saeed and Hamid Isabgul will say that the leaderaan have made India their phavorate country.

AoA it will never happen.

They will find other alternatives, prune the negatives list as much as possible being one.
Ending terrorism and overt hostility towards India - not going to happen any time soon.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Dec 2012 09:11

Vipul wrote:MFN status is not a carrot that can be dangled before India. As a Signatory to the WTO, it is mandatory for all the partcipating countries to bestow this status on one another.

Sure it is. But, when has TSP gone by agreements, protocols and conventions, especially when it comes to India ? Since 1995, what has India done about this non-award of MFN ?

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 27 Dec 2012 09:21

Check this.

Just see the response from Shyam Saran to a RAPETTE claiming responsible role of Pakistani Media and Kamran's baloney of " a Bunch of people who did Mumbai".

Of Course whatever Shyam Saran said from 20.00 to 24.00 is countered by the Pkai participant in less the 30 Seconds by referring to sharm el sheikh (Shame on you Moot Muth Singh).

Hajam Sethi is clearly answerless to the Shyam Sharan factoids and says that we should not listen to old retired people who will always indulge in point scoring (He equates hard-facts to mere "point scoring") and wants young people to carry forward the future piss dialogues.

On the flip side i am

that paki lobby is trying to ensnare Maroof Raza through this tamasha. He is one analyst on the Indian side who is not weighed down by un-necassary Dharma and packs a mean punch (vocal) and trades it freely.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 27 Dec 2012 09:24

SSridhar wrote:
Vipul wrote:MFN status is not a carrot that can be dangled before India. As a Signatory to the WTO, it is mandatory for all the partcipating countries to bestow this status on one another.
Sure it is. But, when has TSP gone by agreements, protocols and conventions, especially when it comes to India ? Since 1995, what has India done about this non-award of MFN ?

I have already written in my previous post we are a grand apologist of a nation carrying the burden of being overly nice since time immemorial.Not surprisingly are the Jhapads that we get from time to time.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Dec 2012 11:37

http://dawn.com/2012/12/26/principle-st ... istan-iii/
Principle standpoints in Al Bakistan III

1-Refining heroin and selling drugs for a living is trade…. but consumption of liquor is haram
4-When Mehdi Hassan crossed over into India its, ‘un ke gale mein Bhagwan bolta hai’…but the moment he crossed Wahga border into Pakistan, it was, ‘o meraci wapas agai jay’.
6-Our consumption of oil, sugar and vegetables, fruits doubles in the holy month of Ramazan ….but this is a holy month of fasting and abstaining from indulgences and food.

7-We need to stop basant, praying at shrines, marriage rituals and ban obscenity on TV, films, and theatre. We shall prohibit arts, music, dance and painting etc.….but we need to revive our culture to stop the Indian cultural invasion of Pakistan

8- Majority of Pakistanis are peace loving and only a tiny minority of extremists are responsible for Pakistan’s bad image…..but most popular name in Pakistan is Osama.
13-We don’t understand from where religious extremism, sectarianism and violence is seeping into our society… but Mahmood Ghaznavi, Mohd bin Qasim, Mahmud Ghori, Syed Ahmed Shaheed, Sheikh Ahmad Sirhindi, Taimur ling are our heroes to be taught at schools.

19. The extremist outfits are banned and their accounts frozen… but they can drop the name and start afresh with new names in similar office. They would be allowed to work as charities.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Dec 2012 11:47

Rapettes who came over for the match were apparently quizzed in the wagah border by TFTAs if they were qadiani.

What is this obsession with ahmadis?

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 27 Dec 2012 11:47

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Dec 2012 11:49

Vipul,

I couldn't watch that tamasha without feeling like puking. And the reason is that in a forum like that, the equal equal cannot be countered by maintaining your sanity. We say 26/11, they trivialize it with Samjotha and "bunch of people". We say ISI, they say RAW. We say your media, they say your media. We say your extremists, they say yours. At the end of the day, if one wants to take aman ki tamasha forward, India has to forget 26/11. Pakis are not going to move, and they don't even feel the pinch nor an iota of moral consciousness.

Thus, the most benign interpretation of TSP position is this: you (India) give us (TSP), this, this, and this, and we'll make sure no 26/11. Basically India is negotiating at gun point. This is what happens when you go to the negotiating table by surrendering the issue of terrorism, which is MMS's defining legacy (my BP has just gone up 10+ points, so I won't say anything about MMS). Thoo.

I think India has enough military defensive strength to have sustained the posture that no aman ki tamasha BS until terror bench marks are met. And these benchmarks must be clearly defined. Of course TSP and Unkil will come down hard on India, but as I said, if India cannot even sustain this bare minimum amount of pressure on TSP, let alone punishing it, its not worth calling India even a country and not even a 2-bit power.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 27 Dec 2012 11:57

Singha wrote:this MFN thing was supposed to happen by Dec 2011!!
so in typical nehruvian style the goalpost itself was moved by a year ha ha ha.

Not even a year, that will happen just before general elections in India, so that their ummah brothers in India are pleased. After elections are over, some kujuli khan or some mundane miyan will raise izzat ki baat and the MFN decision will be reverted till the loopholes are plugged.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Dec 2012 11:58

Gagan wrote:Posting this here, because MMS and GoI is every one's favourite topic even on the TSP dhaga. I think this sums up the situation in Nai Dilli:

AOA didn't know where to post this, but here goes:

B Raman on GoI..
· A Prime Minister, who neither rules nor governs nor controls and who is devoid of any warmth in his interactions either in Parliament or with the public,

· A Congress President who exercises vast powers without a proper understanding and appreciation of the feelings and sentiments of the people of this country, specially the youth, and

· The absence of competent political advisers to the Government, who could make good the deficiencies of the political leadership and provide the necessary correctives in dealing with internal crisis situations.

True, but in any other self respecting country, this disgusting cabal would have been shown the door. But India's electoral calculus gives these pukes the arrogance to behave they way they do. I read somewhere that none of the corruption scandals, none of their in-competencies cuts any ice with the vast majority of India's rural electorate including certain caste factions, Muslims etc. And this is a huge constituency that cannot be wished away.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Dec 2012 12:18

Guys, have the aman ki tamasha crowd in both TSP and India done an equal equal on Malala and the Delhi rape victim?