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Defense Budget Priorities: Opting for American Decline
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/12/21/def ... n-decline/
n the face of soaring national debt, a budgetary impasse, and the absence of presidential leadership to provide for the common defense, Congress must decide whether or not America will have the material capabilities to continue its leading role in international affairs.As argued in our recent Heritage Backgrounder, “Sequester Decision Time,” the 112th Congress should consider America’s historical path to world power and the principles that have guided it—as well as the probable costs of a real and relative decline in U.S. hard power.Rapidly and automatically growing spending on entitlement programs is taking over a larger and larger share of federal spending. This puts pressure on other budget priorities, including national defense. Congress should not sacrifice American strength abroad for failure to control spending at home.If the sequester takes effect, U.S. defense spending will be cut by $500 billion over the next decade, in addition to the $800 billion in reductions already made by the Obama Administration. These combined cuts will lower U.S. defense spending to pre–World War II levels as a percentage of GDP and severely undermine the U.S. military’s ability to accomplish its current and anticipated operational tasks.In practical terms, the U.S. will have the smallest land force since 1940, the smallest navy since 1915, and the smallest tactical fighter air force ever. Despite technological improvements and increased firepower, sheer numbers of troops, ships, and fighter jets have a strategic value in themselves because no soldier, ship, or jet can be in two places at once.Meanwhile, the needed modernization of America’s armaments will be delayed indefinitely. U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta has described this prospect as “devastating,” considering that America is “within an inch of war almost every day.”
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vishvak wrote:Consider the message from Krisna here just a few post later link
If you had cared to read the whole post you'd have seen me talking about liberal states/cities. The US isn't comprised completely of such people.
If religion is like genitals that are hidden and therefore outside scrutiny/critique/change etc
The whole point about comparing religion to genitals is to have it not waved in your face however splendid said religion/genitals might be.
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KrishnaK wrote:The whole point about comparing religion to genitals is to have it not waved in your face however splendid said religion/genitals might be.
The expectation you state applies only to lay folks, but this same expectation / mindset is not carried over to professional salesmen from these 'religions'...So you do have a lot of in-your-face evangelical activities - way more than even in any other Christian nations.

They have some ways to go before they can evolve to the Indian mentality that holds only spiritualism as important and active proselytization of 'religion' as abhorrent.
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John Kerry nominated by Obama as the Secretary of State.
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Obama admin wants India to be the lead nation in Asia Pacific - PACOM guys even drew out the specific dividing lines on maps where they want India to cover.
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shyamd wrote:Obama admin wants India to be the lead nation in Asia Pacific - PACOM guys even drew out the specific dividing lines on maps where they want India to cover.
shyamd ji, what does "lead" nation in Asia-Pacific entail? It appears to be another way of saying "main contain China role". Meanwhile, what role does Obama admin have in mind for India on our other flank - Middle East, CA and Af-Pak?
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Lead nation would mean - providing security to nations who require it in the Asia-Pacific region.

"contain china role" is why it is rejected to a certain extent. They are trying to get an understanding of our intentions- watching our replies etc. These discussions took place in Alaska in the planning trips for the exercise which was conducted there.

Things are a bit flimsy at the moment as we don't believe in the lead nation concept. Time is still needed for things to settle and most recently dialogues at NSA level will help finalise these issues.

Didn't ask about other regions.
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Here we go again, "understanding of our intentions" :) Poor guys :D
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:) Indian intentions are openly stated and its posture is defensive. This is obvious to even a nobody like me. There are lotta fogged up minds in foggy bottom, looks like.
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"Lead nation" means follow me,"heel boy,run fido,bark fido,bite fido,sit fido,wag tail fido,beg fido...."!

Thus far,Pakistan was the rent-boy of the subcontinent.Now,thanks to our spineless and brainless wonders,we are first in the queue to supplant Pak for that sordid and shameful role.

Now,our worthies in the MEA are suggesting that in order to improve relations with Japan (as ordered to do so by Washington),who want us to sign the CTBT,we take a back door route by signing the very same in a bi-lateral agreement with Japan and therefore need not sign the CTBT! Have you heard of anything more asinine and treasonous? Well,what can we expect better from "Salman-the-Cursed,",who astonishingly said that we should accept the reality of Chinese territorial demands of Indian territory.He also said that he would give his "life for Sonia",but asks restraint from the crowds protesting the horrific rape in Delhi! Just watch him wag his tail for crumbs from Uncle Sam's table.
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PhillipJi, despite that his popularity and respect he enjoys as "an eminent honest economist" has not been dented on jot among aam junta.
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>>Salman-the-Cursed,",who astonishingly said that we should accept the reality of Chinese territorial demands of Indian territory.He also said that he would give his "life for Sonia

Would he give it for MMS? I wonder why not. If he would, where would he stop giving? Mani Shankar Aiyar maybe...
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Asians: Too Smart for Their Own Good?
AT the end of this month, high school seniors will submit their college applications and begin waiting to hear where they will spend the next four years of their lives. More than they might realize, the outcome will depend on race. If you are Asian, your chances of getting into the most selective colleges and universities will almost certainly be lower than if you are white.
Asian-Americans constitute 5.6 percent of the nation’s population but 12 to 18 percent of the student body at Ivy League schools. But if judged on their merits — grades, test scores, academic honors and extracurricular activities — Asian-Americans are underrepresented at these schools. Consider that Asians make up anywhere from 40 to 70 percent of the student population at top public high schools like Stuyvesant and Bronx Science in New York City, Lowell in San Francisco and Thomas Jefferson in Alexandria, Va., where admissions are largely based on exams and grades.
In a 2009 study of more than 9,000 students who applied to selective universities, the sociologists Thomas J. Espenshade and Alexandria Walton Radford found that white students were three times more likely to be admitted than Asians with the same academic record.
In the 1920s, as high-achieving Jews began to compete with WASP prep schoolers, Ivy League schools started asking about family background and sought vague qualities like “character,” “vigor,” “manliness” and “leadership” to cap Jewish enrollment. These unofficial Jewish quotas weren’t lifted until the early 1960s, as the sociologist Jerome Karabel found in his 2005 history of admissions practices at Harvard, Yale and Princeton.
At highly selective colleges, the quotas are implicit, but very real. So are the psychological consequences. At Northwestern, Asian-American students tell me that they feel ashamed of their identity — that they feel viewed as a faceless bunch of geeks and virtuosos. When they succeed, their peers chalk it up to “being Asian.” They are too smart and hard-working for their own good.
Since the 1965 overhaul of immigration law, the United States has lured millions of highly educated, ambitious immigrants from places like Taiwan, South Korea and India. We welcomed these immigrants precisely because they outperformed and overachieved. Yet now we are stigmatizing their children for inheriting their parents’ work ethic and faith in a good education. How self-defeating.
( parenting also comes into these)
Some educators, parents and students worry that if admissions are based purely on academic merit, selective universities will be dominated by whites and Asians and admit few blacks and Latinos, as a result of socioeconomic factors and an enduring test-score gap. We still need affirmative action for underrepresented groups, including blacks, Latinos, American Indians and Southeast Asian Americans and low-income students of all backgrounds.

But for white and Asian middle- and upper-income kids, the playing field should be equal. It is noteworthy that many high-achieving kids at selective public magnet schools are children of working-class immigrants, not well-educated professionals. Surnames like Kim, Singh and Wong should not trigger special scrutiny.
We want to fill our top universities with students of exceptional and wide-ranging talent, not just stellar test takers. But what worries me is the application of criteria like “individuality” and “uniqueness,” subjectively and unfairly, to the detriment of Asians, as happened to Jewish applicants in the past. I suspect that in too many college admissions offices, a white Intel Science Talent Search finalist who is a valedictorian and the concertmaster of her high school orchestra would stand out as exceptional, while an Asian-American with the same résumé (and socioeconomic background) would not.
This is ongoing nowadays.
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It's Pretty Clear That The Ivy League Discriminates Against Asia
There's a theory, which has led to multiple lawsuits, that top colleges maintain racial quotas to limit the number of Asians accepted.

According to research published last month in The American Conservative, there appears to be at least some form of discrimination going on.
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Caltech the best university in the world .
Unz's article is included in a New York Times special feature on Fears of an Ivy League Asian Quota.

Another Times article by Carolyn Chen pointed out that Asians make up anywhere from 40 to 70 percent of the student body at top public high schools like Bronx Science, where admissions are largely based on exams and grades. This is another reason to question top colleges with much lower Asian enrollment.
predictably
Harvard denies the use of a quota. Director of University Communications Jeff Neal wrote in the Times:

Harvard College welcomes talented students from all backgrounds, including Asian-Americans. Our review of every applicant's file is highly individualized and holistic, as we give serious consideration to all of the information we receive and all of the ways in which the candidate might contribute to our educational environment and community. The admissions committee does not use quotas of any kind.
When we recently spoke to an ex-Dartmouth College admissions officer, he admitted that East Asians can be at a disadvantage:

"When reading recommendations you see these words—"diligent," "hardworking"—because people tend to see East Asians in a certain way. You rarely see "creative" or "strong intellectual bent," and they are less likely to be seen as "freethinking." Same with issues of character. A lot of secondary teachers find it difficult to connect culturally with Asian Americans and the type of things they end up doing, so they won't see as much talk about character. But at Dartmouth there was not much discrimination against Asian Americans, since they were considered a historical minority at the school."

While the ex-admissions officer denied the use of an explicit quota, it may be that there is an implicit quota.
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The Myth of American Meritocracy
How corrupt are Ivy League admissions?
Just before the Labor Day weekend, a front page New York Times story broke the news of the largest cheating scandal in Harvard University history, in which nearly half the students taking a Government course on the role of Congress had plagiarized or otherwise illegally collaborated on their final exam.1 Each year, Harvard admits just 1600 freshmen while almost 125 Harvard students now face possible suspension over this single incident. A Harvard dean described the situation as “unprecedented.”
Meanwhile, there has been an astonishing concentration of wealth at the top, with America’s richest 1 percent now possessing nearly as much net wealth as the bottom 95 percent.
This situation, sometimes described as a “winner take all society,” leaves families desperate to maximize the chances that their children will reach the winners’ circle, rather than risk failure and poverty or even merely a spot in the rapidly deteriorating middle class. And the best single means of becoming such an economic winner is to gain admission to a top university, which provides an easy ticket to the wealth of Wall Street or similar venues, whose leading firms increasingly restrict their hiring to graduates of the Ivy League or a tiny handful of other top colleges.3 On the other side, finance remains the favored employment choice for Harvard, Yale or Princeton students after the diplomas are handed out.4
Over the last thirty years, America’s test-prep companies have grown from almost nothing into a $5 billion annual industry, allowing the affluent to provide an admissions edge to their less able children
Others cut corners in a more direct fashion, as revealed in the huge SAT cheating rings recently uncovered in affluent New York suburbs, in which students were paid thousands of dollars to take SAT exams for their wealthier but dimmer classmates.7
. In one particularly egregious case, a wealthy New Jersey real estate developer, later sent to Federal prison on political corruption charges, paid Harvard $2.5 million to help ensure admission of his completely under-qualified son.8 When we consider that Harvard’s existing endowment was then at $15 billion and earning almost $7 million each day in investment earnings, we see that a culture of financial corruption has developed an absurd illogic of its own, in which senior Harvard administrators sell their university’s honor for just a few hours worth of its regular annual income, the equivalent of a Harvard instructor raising a grade for a hundred dollars in cash.
About china
Or consider the case of China. There, legions of angry microbloggers endlessly denounce the official corruption and abuse which permeate so much of the economic system. But we almost never hear accusations of favoritism in university admissions, and this impression of strict meritocracy determined by the results of the national Gaokao college entrance examination has been confirmed to me by individuals familiar with that country. Since all the world’s written exams may ultimately derive from China’s old imperial examination system, which was kept remarkably clean for 1300 years, such practices are hardly surprising.9 Attending a prestigious college is regarded by ordinary Chinese as their children’s greatest hope of rapid upward mobility and is therefore often a focus of enormous family effort; China’s ruling elites may rightly fear that a policy of admitting their own dim and lazy heirs to leading schools ahead of the higher-scoring children of the masses might ignite a widespread popular uprising. This perhaps explains why so many sons and daughters of top Chinese leaders attend college in the West: enrolling them at a third-rate Chinese university would be a tremendous humiliation, while our own corrupt admissions practices get them an easy spot at Harvard or Stanford, sitting side by side with the children of Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and George W. Bush.
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Unfair to Jews-
Karabel’s massive documentation—over 700 pages and 3000 endnotes—establishes the remarkable fact that America’s uniquely complex and subjective system of academic admissions actually arose as a means of covert ethnic tribal warfare. During the 1920s, the established Northeastern Anglo-Saxon elites who then dominated the Ivy League wished to sharply curtail the rapidly growing numbers of Jewish students, but their initial attempts to impose simple numerical quotas provoked enormous controversy and faculty opposition.10 Therefore, the approach subsequently taken by Harvard President A. Lawrence Lowell and his peers was to transform the admissions process from a simple objective test of academic merit into a complex and holistic consideration of all aspects of each individual applicant; the resulting opacity permitted the admission or rejection of any given applicant, allowing the ethnicity of the student body to be shaped as desired. As a consequence, university leaders could honestly deny the existence of any racial or religious quotas, while still managing to reduce Jewish enrollment to a much lower level, and thereafter hold it almost constant during the decades which followed.11 For example, the Jewish portion of Harvard’s entering class dropped from nearly 30 percent in 1925 to 15 percent the following year and remained roughly static until the period of the Second World War.12
Asians are the new Jews
Obviously, anti-Jewish discrimination in admissions no longer exists at any of these institutions, but a roughly analogous situation may be found with a group whom Golden and others have sometimes labeled “The New Jews,” namely Asian-Americans. Since their strong academic performance is coupled with relatively little political power, they would be obvious candidates for discrimination in the harsh realpolitik of university admissions as documented by Karabel, and indeed he briefly raises the possibility of an anti-Asian admissions bias, before concluding that the elite universities are apparently correct in denying that it exists.16
Indeed, widespread perceptions of racial discrimination are almost certainly the primary factor behind the huge growth in the number of students refusing to reveal their racial background at top universities, with the percentage of Harvard students classified as “race unknown” having risen from almost nothing to a regular 5–15 percent of all undergraduates over the last twenty years, with similar levels reached at other elite schools.
All these elite universities strongly deny the existence of any sort of racial discrimination against Asians in the admissions process, let alone an “Asian quota,” with senior administrators instead claiming that the potential of each student is individually evaluated via a holistic process far superior to any mechanical reliance on grades or test scores; but such public postures are identical to those taken by their academic predecessors in the 1920s and 1930s as documented by Karabel. Fortunately, we can investigate the plausibility of these claims by examining the decades of officially reported enrollment data available from the website of the National Center for Educational Statistics (NCES).
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Harvard bias
The ethnic composition of Harvard undergraduates certainly follows a highly intriguing pattern. Harvard had always had a significant Asian-American enrollment, generally running around 5 percent when I had attended in the early 1980s. But during the following decade, the size of America’s Asian middle class grew rapidly, leading to a sharp rise in applications and admissions, with Asians exceeding 10 percent of undergraduates by the late 1980s and crossing the 20 percent threshold by 1993. However, from that year forward, the Asian numbers went into reverse, generally stagnating or declining during the two decades which followed, with the official 2011 figure being 17.2 percent.21
Other ivy league universities-
Asians at Yale reached a 16.8 percent maximum in that same year, and soon dropped by about 3 points to a roughly constant level. The Columbia peak also came in 1993 and the Cornell peak in 1995, in both cases followed by the same substantial drop, and the same is true for most of their East Coast peers. During the mid- to late-1980s, there had been some public controversy in the media regarding allegations of anti-Asian discrimination in the Ivy League, and the Federal Government eventually even opened an investigation into the matter.22 But once that investigation was closed in 1991, Asian enrollments across all those universities rapidly converged to the same level of approximately 16 percent, and remained roughly static thereafter (See chart below). In fact, the yearly fluctuations in Asian enrollments are often smaller than were the changes in Jewish numbers during the “quota era” of the past,23 and are roughly the same relative size as the fluctuations in black enrollments, even though the latter are heavily influenced by the publicly declared “ethnic diversity goals” of those same institutions.
Fortunately, allegations of anti-Asian admissions bias have become a topic of widespread and heated debate on the Internet, and disgruntled Asian-American activists have diligently located various types of data to support their accusations, with the recent ethnic distribution of National Merit Scholarship (NMS) semifinalists being among the most persuasive.
In fact, when an Asian student rejected by Harvard filed a complaint of racial discrimination with the U.S. Department of Education earlier this year, the Harvard Crimson denounced his charges as “ludicrous,” arguing that student diversity was a crucial educational goal and that affirmative action impacted Asians no more than any other applicant group.46
Very Long article. Not read fully got tired. :((
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Reply to a X-post from TSP thread.
abhijitm wrote: abhishek here is a good read on Indian nuke test. Its Christine Fair's...but a good analysis.
Lessons from India's Nuclear Tests - by Ms. C. Fair
This article is dated (c. 2005) and yet it offers an opportunity to understand perfidy.

This analysis is written with a sub-text that it was the benign neglect of the US that let India develop its nuclear weapon design and eventually test it. In one stroke, it tries to equate the Indian and Pakistani nuclear programmes to this benign neglect. While the whole world knows about the wilful neglect of the US (and indeed encouragement and even subterfuge by the US Administration) in the Pakistani programme, this is the first time I am seeing somebody saying that a similar neglect by the US allowed India to develop its capabilities. She is trying to argue that the US concerns on non-proliferation were 'subordinated' to its interests in 'making an opening' with India. If one looks at what the US did to a similar subordination in Pakistan, one would immediately see the utter falsehood of such a claim. She even turns the table on India to say that it was an intransigent India and not a willing US that was responsible for India's isolation in these matters (Page 32).

A Pakistan-specific Article 620E was expressly introduced into the Foreign Assistance Act (FAA) to continue aid to Pakistan under a waiver for six years in 1979. As it came to an end in 1985, the Pressler Amendment was introduced (drafted with Pakistan's help) to continue all aids under a Presidential waiver of 'no possession' certificate. Non-application of provisions of the Solarz Amendment to Pakistanis caught red-handed (by overzealous officers unaware of the US doublespeak) and the false certificates of 'no possession' in spite of mounting hard evidence by its own agencies, show not simply neglect but a contribution by the US administration in making Pakistan acquire nuclear weapons and their delivery platforms. The Dutch and the Swiss exposures nail the US lie. The US continued to support Pakistani proliferation efforts, this time horizontal, even after 9/11. The US Government continued to bail out its ally Pakistan in its more dangerous liaisons of nuclear proliferation to other states, especially rogue states, like Libya. Even as late as circa 2003, the US President George W Bush thought it fit not to apply sanctions on Pakistani entities exporting nuclear technology to North Korea even after Pakistan was implicated

OTOH, the treatment meted out to India was very different and is glaringly in contrast. The NSG ('London group') and the Zangger Committee were India-centric and were initiated by the US with the aim of crippling Indian nuclear ambitions. When Pres. Ronald Reagan assumed power in the US in c. 1981, he made non-proliferation as one of the lynchpins of his foreign policies. He even suspended LEU fuel supply for the Tarapur Atomic Power Station in India by retrospectively activating his new policy (though it had to ultimately arrange an alternate supply through France). The denial of technology by the US even lead to unsafe operations of the plant because of the cutoff of the supply of even safety-related equipment by the US. However, it was under Reagan’s leadership that Pakistan’s proliferation happened without let or hindrance. Let us consider the two cases that Ms. C. Fair mentions. M-11 missiles were transferred and the reluctant US sanctions under MTCR lasted barely two months. Ring magnets (5000 of them) were transferred but the US decided that there was no need for a sanction. OTOH, the US forced Glavkosmos to renege on its 1991 deal for the supply of CUS engines to ISRO when the Russian federation was not a member of MTCR nor was the engine useful for missilery. In fact, the US even went out of its way to create an illusion as though the US was about to engage India in high-technology and any testing by India would therefore wreck its fair chances, as shown by the great fanfare with which the 'Science & Technology Initiative' (1982) or the 'MoU on Sensitive Technologies, Commodities and Information' (1984) were signed between the two countries and how they petered out without being useful to India in anyway. She even has the gall to claim that it was the 1989 missile testing by India (a full five years later) that blunted these initiatives. By 1989, the US had also left Afghanistan and its interest in ensuring that India did not upset its interests in the region no longer existed. One can go on and on.

So, she has produced this from an American perspective to sustain American propaganda and it is our role as Indians to highlight the glaring holes.
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SSridhar sir, nice analysis.
US is merely following the policy what the British have excelled for over five centuries. Back then, it was called 'divide and rule'. In the US parlance, it is called 'strategic balancing act'. They have used this policy since the end of the world war 2 to keep Asia in turmoil. Right from the 60's US knew that India would progress economically, militarily and politically owing to the solid democratic foundations. US's only concern was that India might become too strong to it's liking (the status of world's largest democracy be damned). Pakistan was used (and is being used) as a counterweight to India with active prodding by the US. Just the way India is being verbally encouraged to 'counter' China. Except that, in the latter case, India is doing it on its own.
Unfortunately for the US, they still think that Indians are too naive to understand the plot, as evidenced by Ms. Fair's article.
(But how close is this Ms. Fair to the american ruling establishment? Is she just displaying (misplaced) superiority complex?)
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RIP "Stormin' Norman". Goobye to a true American hero.Your Valhalla awaits you.
"Yes, I am antiwar," he told US News & World Report in 1991. "All you have to do is hold your first soldier who is dying in your arms, and have that terribly futile feeling that I can't do anything about it. . . . Then you understand the horror of war."
Gen.Norman Schwarzkopf was perhaps this generation's closest equivalent to Gen Patton.True,he didn't have the kind of opposition that Gen.Patton fought against,the German Army,his foe was the Iraqi Army of Saddam,who bereft of any air power whatsoever,were meat and drink for the combined forces of the coaliton's air power.

Nevertheless,"Stormin' Norman's " celebrated "Hail Mary" tactic,outflanking Saddam's deployed forces,in true desert warfare style,shortened the inevitable,the rout of the Iraqi Army.It is to the everlasting credit of Bush Sr. that he never went in for the kill,staying true to the UN mandate of kicking Saddam out of Kuwait,unlike Dubya Jr.,who messed up wholesale,leaving the country a region of desolation,with the faecal and sulphuric stench of Abu Ghraib and Falujah in the nostrils.

Norman Schwarzkopf dies at 78

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 32425.html
H Norman Schwarzkopf, the four-star Army general who led allied forces to a stunningly quick and decisive victory over Saddam Hussein's Iraqi military in the 1991 Persian Gulf War and who became the most celebrated US military hero of his generation, died Thursday in Tampa, Florida. He was 78.

Defence Secretary Leon Panetta confirmed the death in a statement. Schwarzkopf's sister, Ruth Barenbaum, told the Associated Press he had complications from pneumonia.

Little known outside the US military before Hussein's Republican Guard invaded Kuwait in early August 1990, Schwarzkopf planned and led one of the most lopsided military victories in modern military history.

Even before the rapid victory, the general was known as "Stormin' Norman" for his sometimes volcanic temper.

The campaign, designed to expel Hussein's forces and liberate Kuwait, commenced in January 1990 with a 43-day high-tech air assault on Iraq before a massive armored assault force launched a 100-hour ground offensive that inflicted swift and heavy losses on the Iraqis. Schwarzkopf commanded an allied force of more than 540,000 US troops and a total force of 765,000 from 28 countries, plus hundreds of ships and thousands of aircraft, armoured vehicles and tanks.

Broadcast to the nation nonstop on CNN, the war gave the nation and the world its first look at a new American military strategy that used precision-guided bombs dropped from hundreds of aircraft and Tomahawk cruise missiles launched from ships. Both Schwarzkopf and his boss at the Pentagon, Army General Colin Powell, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, were Vietnam War veterans who had helped rebuild this force.

Schwarzkopf was accessible to the media throughout the war and became a familiar figure addressing reporters in his desert fatigues. He spoke in plain English, instead of using military jargon.

But the adulation he received from the American public quickly gave way to second-guessing by many historians, who questioned the decision by President George H W Bush and senior members of his administration to end the war after just four days, allowing Hussein to remain in power and much of his Republican Guard to retreat from Kuwait unscathed.

In a television interview after his triumphant return to the United States, Schwarzkopf claimed that he wanted to continue the war. But his assertion was sharply contested by Richard Cheney, then secretary of defence, and Powell, who said that Schwarzkopf had concurred in the decision by President George H W Bush and senior members of his administration to end the ground war after just four days.

Schwarzkopf, who retired in the summer of 1991, backed off his claim in his 1992 memoir, "It Doesn't Take a Hero," for which he received an advance of almost $6 million. He criticised unnamed civilians in the Bush administration for trying to hastily speed commencement of the ground war.

Rick Atkinson, in his 1993 book "Crusade: The Untold Story of the Persian Gulf War," described Schwarzkopf as a volcanic figure who threatened to fire numerous subordinates and often behaved like an imperial dictator. But he concluded that Schwarzkopf made "no significant error of strategy or tactic."

Schwarzkopf does not fare nearly as well in a new book by Thomas Ricks, "The Generals." Ricks faults Schwarzkopf for failing to understand strategic aspects of the war, allowing much of the Republican Guard to escape from Kuwait, and for allowing the Iraqis to fly armed helicopters over Iraq following the end of the ground campaign. Those helicopter gunships were subsequently used to attack and decimate anti-Hussein Shiite uprisings in southern Iraq and Kurdish protests in the north.

The future general was born in Trenton, N J, on August 22, 1934. His father, who was also an Army general, was named Herbert Norman Schwarzkopf, but he disliked his first name so much that he refused to pass it on to his son. So he was H Norman Schwarzkopf Jr.

The elder Schwarzkopf was the founding commander of the New Jersey State Police and was in charge of the investigation that led to the 1934 arrest of Bruno Richard Hauptmann, who was convicted and later executed for kidnapping and killing the toddler son of aviation hero Charles Lindbergh.

From the age of 4, the younger Schwarzkopf determined that he would follow his father to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N Y, and pursue a career as a soldier. He attended a military school in New Jersey, then spent five years overseas with his family from 1946 to 1951.

He spent a year in Iran, where his father trained a national police force and advised the shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, then lived in Switzerland, Germany and Italy. He spoke conversational German and French throughout his life.

After returning to the United States, he spent a year at the Valley Forge Military Academy in Wayne, Pa., before entering West Point, where he played football, wrestled and sang in the choir. Schwarzkopf, who directed a chapel choir of cadets at West Point — one of his first command positions — had a lifelong love of opera and music.

He graduated in the upper 10th of his class and entered the Army infantry. Between field assignments with airborne and infantry units, he received a master's degree in missile engineering from University of Southern California in 1964.

After a teaching stint at West Point, he went to Vietnam in 1965 as an adviser to Vietnamese airborne troops. He returned for a second tour in 1969 commanding an infantry battalion.

He received a Silver Star and won the respect of his troops for his courageous efforts to rescue soldiers wounded by land mines. In one case, he covered a writhing soldier with his own body, reportedly saying, "Take it easy, son. It's only broken."

In 1970, an errant artillery shell killed a sergeant under Schwarzkopf's command. The soldier's parents launched an investigation, which later become the inspiration for C D B. Bryan's 1976 book "Friendly Fire," which later became a movie. The parents held Schwarzkopf responsible at first, but Bryan portrayed him as an officer of honor and compassion and concluded that the killing was accidental.

"He's a good mud soldier," Lt. General William Carpenter Jr, who served with Schwarzkopf in Vietnam, told The New York Times in 1991. "The most important thing is that he cares about ground troops and he's not about to get them chewed up."

He received his first star as a brigadier general in 1978, then won widespread respect among military brass as deputy commander of the invasion of Grenada in 1983. He held several more high-profile jobs, became a four-star general in 1988 and was named commander of the U.S. Central Command at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa.

In the late 1980s, with the Soviet empire collapsing, Schwarzkopf studied the likelihood of future wars and concluded that the Middle East would be the next hot spot. He planned for the possibility that the United States could become embroiled in regional disputes that crossed the borders of US allies.

In July 1990, he led military troops in elaborate war games built around a theoretical invasion of Kuwait by Iraq. Less than a week later, real Iraqi forces marched across the Kuwaiti border.

Schwarzkopf's survivors include his wife of 44 years, Brenda Holsinger Schwarzkopf; three children; and his sister.

Considered a master battlefield tactician who didn't wilt under fire, Schwarzkopf admitted that he felt fear in combat and didn't trust any soldier who didn't.

"Yes, I am antiwar," he told US News & World Report in 1991. "All you have to do is hold your first soldier who is dying in your arms, and have that terribly futile feeling that I can't do anything about it. . . . Then you understand the horror of war."
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CRamS,
I wrote this some time ago when Montek's huge expendiiture,running into millions, on his foreign jaunts was revealed.Pranabda was then FM,"the purser".

I've written a little poem about the same:

"No need to panic",says the purser of IMS Titanic,
The captain's all at sea with the Indian economy.
Into a perfect financial storm,is the skipper's norm,
While the purser makes whoopee at the drowning rupee!
The firang passenger's have abandoned ship,taking to the boats and
giving the slip,
They've even stolen the ship's silver and the casino's chips!

The purser's chief occupation is plotting presidential ambition,
While below decks,the Italian owner cashes in her fat cheques!
The passengers are all screaming while the skipper keeps dreaming,
"Rescue is always at hand from the promised land (US of A)",
Not for those in steerage but for only those with leverage,
Who've been given lifejackets to survive the sinking stock markets!

Amidst the gloom,the ship speeds to her doom,
While the officers play the game,"who's to blame?"
"Not I" says the skipper,a habitual gipper,
"Not I" said the purser,I'm only the bean counter"
"Not I" said the owner,knowing well the ship's a goner,
"Don't worry about the lost lives,as long as the dynasty survives"!
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It appears that in virulent Evan-Jihadi strain of “heathen” Hindu bashing is alive and well in parts of the American general public’s mind. Further if this virulent hatred for Hindu’s is a not uncommon view among US Hispanics then the “Hispanification” of the American polity does not augur well for future India-US relations such as it is.

Comment of Erika Menenedez, a suspect in the crime of pushing Indian origin Sunando Sen in front of a train in New York :evil: :

"I pushed a Muslim off the train tracks because I hate Hindus and Muslims ever since 2001 when they put down the twin towers I've been beating them up."

From DNA:

NY Subway Pushing: Woman Charged With Second Degree “Hate” Murder
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There is a lot of mis information on Hindus and race and south asia is US. They do not have a clue on culture of India, Hindus and 'south asia'

This is a long road and India may have to wait until India has full control on its own media and ability to project correct Indian image by its own media abroad. Indians may not even be aware of this problem
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Along with misinformation, there is complete silence about lies and deceit spread against Hindus and Hinduism. How come in a first world country and only super power USA such a murder of a Hindu could have been committed under excuse of 9/11, and for years no one told the murderer nothing about her behavior of dragging Hindoo into 9/11. Even now, no one points it out clearly, like how it was missed when another Sikh man was targeted.

What can one say about I.Q. of average Joe/Janette out there after 9/11? There has to be a minimum level of education to have this much common sense in the most powerful and first world country USA. It is upto minority heathen Hindoos to do the needful, especially since anti-Hindu rubbish is printed anyways in modern first world printing presses that passes off as scholarly literature of some credibility and not as propagandu against Hinduism.
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Why India shouldn’t worry about John Kerry’s Pak tilt
For those who did not follow the senate committee’s proceedings (on Indo-US nuclear deal) very closely, it must be pointed out that Barack Obama, who then was Kerry’s junior colleague in the senate, proposed several amendments in the senate bill. It was Kerry who stoutly opposed these amendments, arguing that these would be unacceptable to India and pushing these amendments further would be a sure deal-breaker. Kerry was right. But for Kerry’s persistent batting on behalf of India, the bill would not have been passed...

Kerry has also been a strong supporter of Obama’s endorsement of India to become a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
Bottom line:
It would take utter stupidity on the part of American and Indian political leadership to harm the current Indo-US synergy.
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Why throw in India in the last line?

Looks like a self goal by a SLIMEball
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After reading the article, the appropriate comment on the issue is to say that "This is an internal matter of the USA. It is up to the American government to decide based on their domestic political situation."
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"This is an internal matter of the USA. It is up to the American government to decide based on their domestic political situation."
These too clever by half kind of statements have done India in. Why can we not say what the truth is for example: "We consider Mr Modi to be an able, popular and elected representative of the State. Under the Independent State Judiciary many commissions of enquiry have been conducted, and none have endorsed his direct role in many widespread and exaggerated allegations against him. In the Indian peoples view, Mr Modi should not have restrictions to travel anywhere in the world he wants to, either to build relations, build Business partnerships or for relaxation'. Neither this Govt nor Mr Modi however, might be interested in pursuing individual governments to change their stance regarding this issue. "


The internal issue non interference part has been so misused. We have Chinese laying claims all over, while we don't lay claims to what is rightfully ours in Kailash-Mansarover..and so on. This is escapism from the Truth and honesty at the hghest levels.
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Of course, it can be expanded upon. But reality is that just like the Pakistanis have to take care of the Pakistan Taliban, it is the Americans that have to deal with the local American Taliban. Why should a foreign country expend any time or energy on that front?
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India and Indians have to look after Indian interest.
Indians have to protect themselves when Pak comes in to attack them in another part of the world or inside India.

This same Pak is supported by a third country like US and it brings up Kashmir issue in international media which brings danger to ordinary Indians in other parts of the world. Indians have a right to question any foreign country which though its actions brings danger to India and Indians.
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matrimc wrote:Hats off dr shukla for this hard hitting article should be widely circulated
I know him to some an extent, he and his wife (Suhag who is also part of HAF - and blogs at HP) are needed. In the far distance, I see some political office at least for one of them.

Added: And for those who continue to blast Phil Goldberg, Phil and HAF enjoy a good relation. HAF had invited Phil for a local speaking event about his book plus fund raising. Hindus have to work with people like Phil, in USA, rather than targeting and annoying him. The self-goals Hindus score.....wow.
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From the few Americans who even bother to think of India the opinion is simple. A Hindu 'Fundamentalist' government exploded the 'bomb' and hence all such 'fundamentalists' are suspect. The Modi visa ban too was undoubtedly a very junior level decision. The sentiment seems to be India & Pakistan are crazy and any thing we can do to isolate the crazies is good. Yes, India is still considered an unstable and potentially crazy nation. What could change the sentiment would be the BJP type folks building bridges with the strategic community in USA. Question is if BJP even cares to.
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Theoji, your statements betray reality. NDA government was the most Pro-US government post 1960s. The strategic tilt made by NDA was continued+recalibrated by UPA.

If a few American whom you talked to think the way you said, that does not make it the fault of BJP. And your claim about Modi visa ban is incorrect IMHO, if you have any references in public domain I would be glad to know.
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Theo_Fidel wrote:From the few Americans who even bother to think of India the opinion is simple. A Hindu 'Fundamentalist' government exploded the 'bomb' and hence all such 'fundamentalists' are suspect. The Modi visa ban too was undoubtedly a very junior level decision. The sentiment seems to be India & Pakistan are crazy and any thing we can do to isolate the crazies is good. Yes, India is still considered an unstable and potentially crazy nation. What could change the sentiment would be the BJP type folks building bridges with the strategic community in USA. Question is if BJP even cares to.
Pathetic argument Theo. Even if few lumpen book humpers from amrika said that what was your filter? And the "modi visa ban is undoubtedly a very junior level decision"., while the UK diplomat visiting Gujarat was not?

Added later: Just for this you should vote Modi for the PM, so that US's chaddies get twisted by "very junior level decision". I hope you are smart enough to see through this US charade to appease the jholawallas-who-are-dear-to-sonia-mao.

And what was Jaswant-Talbott discussion all about? What was the nuclear deal all about?
Yes, India is still considered an unstable and potentially crazy nation.
I do not know what air does the lumpen elements you move around it smokes, but US *is* a crazy and potentially unstable nation. So what are you trying to tell? Being a goody goody 2 bit messenger?
Question is if BJP even cares to
Shame on you. Can or could you not say, does the US/Republicans/Democrats/evan-jihadi-Bible-thumpers-and-humpers even care to understand "Hindu" India and its issues and its priorities?
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Theo_FidelJi,

While your observation about most Americans' views about India is correct, but your tone comes across as approving of those sentiments. BTW: BJP-dominated NDA did suck up to US profusely. Recall VajpayeeJi's remark about India and US being natural allies. Jassu bhai's dialogue with "my friend Strobe". But it was a one way sentiment.

The decision to treat Modi like a pariah was not junior level officer's decision, it reflects the heart of US policy. Unlike the middle east where Muslims most likely hate US guts, and with good reason, in "South Asia", US is loved and hated at the same time by the Muslims in India, TSP, Bangladesh etc, at least among the RAPE class. No way is US going to loose this goodwill by aligning itself too closely with Hindu nationalists, and treatment of Modi is a reflection of this. Even Jassu bhai's best fried condescendingly said he is troubled by Jassu bhai's Hindu nationalism.

So the solution to make US revers its decision is for India, under BJP or Cong to dominate and unabashedly assert its national interests without being crudely and reflexively anti-US. Once India itself stands up for herself, others will show some respect. So, on the Modi issue, it is the assortment of "South Asians" including probably Cong govt who lobby for his isolation. US is only using those "useful idiots" to secure its interests.
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A bunch of has been jolhawalas lobby US Congress repeatedly to take a stance on visa for Modi even if he has not applied for one, in order to influence Indian politics.

These are present day Jaichands.
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ramana wrote:A bunch of has been jolhawalas lobby US Congress repeatedly to take a stance on visa for Modi even if he has not applied for one, in order to influence Indian politics.

These are present day Jaichands.
^^ wrong saar. They are modern day Giovannis. The question is why are some posters enthralled to such Giovannis?
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disha, I have met some of these worthies in Silicon Valley. So I do know their work. All think they are carrying the torch for secular elite. Some of them fund raise for all sorts of 'projects'.
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Ramana, I had an interesting experience in running into some of them in Hyderabad. They were in one of the 5 star (for 3 days, with lots of things paid) doing a seminar on poverty reduction in India. The amount of alcohol consumed in one day by this lumpen sickular elite would have fed an entire district a free lunch. I was there, I know the figures.

There are two reasons I want to call them Giovannis instead of Jaichands.

1. Giovanni was the Pope who said "The idea of christ was good" (that statement is debatable, but he used religion for profit, just like the current papacy and is one of the most hated pope). The fact is Giovanni (and most of the popes) were far worse misogynists than Jaichand.

2. I want a non-hindu for a change as a lietmotif of a vermin that sucks the blood dry. Giovanni fits the bill to the T. So please start calling Giovanni instead of Jaichand.
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I didnt know about Giovanni the Pope. Will use it in future.
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In my experience, Theoji's observation is not inline with reality on the ground. Indian Americans are held in high esteem in almost all professional circles here in US and it extends to Indians at large. Probably he is mistaking the perception of them being soft targets as hatred. My impression is India does figure in US strategic calculations as highly as any other country in Asia barring, may be, China and Japan. The only thing that needs to be done is to engage US without getting browbeaten and know our strengths and weaknesses.
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