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or paid CPC workers in China who are granted exclusive access to BRF to bear the brunt of Shiv Piskomahima for $0.5 each.
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China's J-20 & J-15 Fighter Aircrafts Spotted Sitting Alongside Each Other On The Tarmac

http://www.aame.in/2012/12/china-j-20-j ... rafts.html
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David is likely a Chinese living outside of mainland China, just like me. My favorite site is CJDBY. I would like Chinese posters to give some thoughts other than just copy/paste articles, or just keep silent.
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shiv wrote:A BRF spy has been in China recently. BR is unavailable to mango Chinese. So too YouTube. So the people we get here are in Khanland or other countries.
Is that true .. if it is then it tell lot us how paranoid they are about their face saving....
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Hiten wrote:China's J-20 & J-15 Fighter Aircrafts Spotted Sitting Alongside Each Other On The Tarmac

http://www.aame.in/2012/12/china-j-20-j ... rafts.html
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LOL come have look we are all together take phot and shiver LOL movement.
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^^^

folks. Someone address how India plans to take on China with cogent, coherent plans.
How?
The US has its pivoting across Asia and rearms Japan, Taiwan and SEA.

We arm ourselves and maybe get a few more orders in, and take time ordering the Rafale,
and have internal bickering wrt to HAL.

Yet to see a cogent , overall perspective of the CONCRETE plans to safeguard our interests.

ANyways. Let me start.
What are our interests ? Safe Pak border, Safe Chin border. No attacks coming from either side...or well..good defence on both sides. We have that.
We have nuclear deterrence. We have new bases in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

What else. Do we have plans of war? Do we have contingency plans? Lets say we hear of Chin massing cruise missiles on Arunachal, how will we react in the next 48 hours after the news is confirmed?
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^^^ If you want to discuss India's plan to contain China then take it to the IA thread how many times people like you have to be told that this is China Military Watch Thread ???
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Sagar G wrote:^^^ If you want to discuss India's plan to contain China then take it to the IA thread how many times people like you have to be told that this is China Military Watch Thread ???
or someone could do a china vs india; tactics, strategy, equipment, training comparison here itself. its not only indian materiel i look for.
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mahadevbhu wrote:or someone could do a china vs india; tactics, strategy, equipment, training comparison here itself. its not only indian materiel i look for.
It's not what "you look for" that matters but the purpose of the thread so take your questions to the appropriate thread or create a new one but stop derailing this thread.
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PLAAF conducts comprehensive support drill near border with India
The PLA Air Force (PLAAF) conducted massive air support drill near India’s border in the Chengdu Military Area Command. The drill which included nearly 100 fighters of more than 10 varieties was conducted to test the PLAAF’s ability to provide combat support. Another highlight of the drill was the use of separate runways for landing and takeoff as compared to the use of single runways for both purposes in the past.
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eklavya wrote:
S Korea and Taiwan are under the protection of the US. They will never help China in a military dispute with Japan. For the same reason, Japan cannot and will not ever get into a military stand-off with S Korea and Taiwan. On the other hand, Uncle Sam is encouraging Japan to get tough with China. China is fooling itself if it thinks S Korea and Taiwan will save its face.

Japan is mending fences with S Korea and Russia.
Oh you left out this.
Abe vows to improve Sino-Japanese ties
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world ... 057369.htm

First of all I wish nothing more than Koreans, Chinese and Japanese getting along.
eklavya wrote: US position:
U.S. Senate passes Senkaku backing
The U.S. Senate on Thursday unanimously approved an amendment to the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act that is designed to counter attempts by China to challenge Japan's administration of the Senkaku Islands but sidesteps the question of who has ultimate sovereignty over the disputed territory.

"While the United States takes no position on the ultimate sovereignty of the Senkaku Islands, the United States acknowledges the administration of Japan over the Senkaku Islands. The unilateral actions of a third party will not affect United States acknowledgement of the administration of Japan over the Senkaku Islands," it adds.
US never came to Philippines rescue. They gave them 30million and told them to go away. Why ? because US has more strategic interest with China. Why risk US lives for a country that kick out the US in the first place.

As for Taiwan, US may have the Taiwan Relation Act but US has never ever say clearly that they will come to Taiwan rescue.
And if you follow the news in East Asia, in the last Taiwan election the pro China KMT won big time over the pro independent DPP. They even got some last minute help from US on the 1992 consensus debate. Causing many DDP to blame US for the lost of the election. Even DPP now has admit they have to work with China. Taiwan drift to independent is already effectively stopped.

Again if you following East Asian news, Japan is losing the big car market share in China big time to Koreans and yes even to US car manufacturers.
Your article says it clearly for all to see. “Uncle Sam is encouraging Japan to get tough with China.” Translated. US is USING Japan against China to US advantage and to Japanese lost.

As for Japan, China is bashing Japan everyday. What China is doing is testing US respond. Again China is sending a message to the Japanese right wing. Do not think US will come to Japan rescue.

War is not always about who has the best weapons. In this case all China needed was fishing boats and a propeller plane.
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Don wrote:I also find the UAV advances very intriguing, Thanks for the link.
You are welcome. UAV is cheap and do not risk human life. China may actually use these UAV on their aircraft carriers to launch air patrol over the South China Seas.
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Selamat Pagi wrote:What China is doing is testing US respond. Again China is sending a message to the Japanese right wing. Do not think US will come to Japan rescue.
:rotfl: Japan is already more powerful than China. And the US has a legal commitment to defend Japan. You are seriously deluded ...
Selamat Pagi wrote: War is not always about who has the best weapons. In this case all China needed was fishing boats and a propeller plane.
In gambling, bluffing is also one strategy, and since China has a pretty unreliable armed forces, bluffing may be the best strategy for CPC and PLA. Unfortunately for CPC and PLA, their bluff is being called, and CPC and PLA are beginning to look pretty stupid. From stupidity the next step is humiliation, and then loss of power and privileges. CPC and PLA will stick to bluffing ... and in their time honoured fashion, retreat rather than confront.
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http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... es-380554/
Chinese Y-20 revealed in new online pictures

By: Stephen Trimble Washington DC


New pictures have emerged showing a new Chinese military transport that is purportedly the Xian Aircraft Y-20 heavy transport.

The first known appearance of the Y-20 comes as the AVIC subsidiary specializing in commercial and military transports was expected on Chinese aviation web sites to launch flight testing of the Y-20 this year.

The pictures reveal a four-engined, high-wing transport with a T-tail that appears sized between a Boeing C-17 and Airbus A400M.

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The aircraft is equipped with jet engines with a lower bypass ratio fan inlet - possibly the same Soloviev D-30s that currently power Tupolev Tu-154Ms and Ilyushin Il-76Ds. The production version of the Y-20 is expected to transition to high-bypass ratio, Chinese-made WS-20 engines, depending upon their availability.

The Y-20 pictures follow the revelation of dozens of new military aircraft types introduced by Chinese airframers in recent years, including new fighters such as the Chengdu J-10 and J-20 and Shenyang J-21.

Each of the aircraft types appeared first on Chinese web sites long before their existence was acknowledged by government sources.

Xian also makes a series of regional turboprop airliners, including the MA60 and MA600, and builds the wings and fuselage of the ARJ21 regional jet.

If the Y-20 is transitioned into production, it will join a rapidly growing transport fleet for the Chinese air force (PLAAF). The PLAAF now operates a fleet of 20 Ilyushin Il-76 strategic transports, with another 30 on order.
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If Japan rearms china will be running to russia for protection. Well they already depend on russia for all reliable weapons.
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China sounding desperate about the reality of the US-Japan alliance:
China cautiously watching Abe's defence moves
BEIJING--An anxious China is closely monitoring the early moves of new Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, in particular his call for a review of long-term defense policy.

Hua Chunying, deputy director-general of the Chinese Foreign Ministry’s Information Department, told a news conference on Dec. 27, “We are highly interested in political developments in Japan.”

Hua warned against Japan and the United States heightening tensions with China by deepening their cooperation and alliance.

“The Japan-U.S. alliance should not undermine the interests of third-party countries, including China,” she said. :lol:

China’s diplomatic authorities were watching closely if Abe would make a move that would increase tensions over the Senkaku Islands, disputed islets between the two countries.

From last month:
Shinzo Abe criticises China over Tibet

Shinzo Abe, head of the main Japanese opposition party, has criticised China over its human rights record in Tibet, in comments that will inflame tensions with Beijing.

“I swear I will do everything in my power to change the situation in Tibet where human rights are being suppressed,” the Liberal Democratic party leader said on Tuesday. “Tibet seeks freedom and democracy and we agree on those values.”
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Selamat Pagi wrote:US position:
U.S. Senate passes Senkaku backing
The U.S. Senate on Thursday unanimously approved an amendment to the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act that is designed to counter attempts by China to challenge Japan's administration of the Senkaku Islands but sidesteps the question of who has ultimate sovereignty over the disputed territory.

"While the United States takes no position on the ultimate sovereignty of the Senkaku Islands, the United States acknowledges the administration of Japan over the Senkaku Islands. The unilateral actions of a third party will not affect United States acknowledgement of the administration of Japan over the Senkaku Islands," it adds.
Chootiya panda drones in there eagerness to post links so as to do chest beating don't even properly read the news or stuff they are posting. The bolded part says that US accepts and agrees to Japan's ownership of the disputed island and further unilateral action of third party i.e. China :lol: will have no effect on US's acknowledgement of Japan's right over the island.

Chootiya panda drones effectively prove why they are well chootiyas.
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Sagar, our fellow is trying to say that the US will not honour its security commitment to Taiwan, Japan, etc. Our foreign policy expert has completely missed the US "pivot to Asia", and let's just say he has a Chinese attitude to binding legal commitments. What to say? Head buried in sand ...
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eklavya wrote:Sagar, our fellow is trying to say that the US will not honour its security commitment to Taiwan, Japan, etc. Our foreign policy expert has completely missed the US "pivot to Asia", and let's just say he has a Chinese attitude to binding legal commitments. What to say? Head buried in sand ...
Let's consider what he is saying is true then what I don't understand is that why isn't China moving in and taking charge of what it claims to be it's own ??? Why China is incapable of taking any military action and all the courage it can muster up is to send some non military plane and some trawlers or shit to the disputed region ??? Chinese drones chest beat about there military's great capabilities, what happens to these "capabilities" when it comes to being seen in the real world ??? Is China such a "phati ka juloos" that it can't even take charge of things it claims to be it's own from nations which are weaker that itself as it believes.
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China Buys Tu-22MB Bomber Production Line from Russia
http://idrw.org/?p=16838#more-16838

Don't we think in these directions or we don't need such capabilities ?
At $1.5 billion it was feasible. Not aware of the unit cost but assuming that we could
have had around 20-25 of them at around $5 billion all armed with Brahmos / Nirbhay (and longer range version )etc it
could have been useful.
US is still flying B 52 and Russia Tu 22 so these platforms still have relevance.
Basically I want to understand why don;t we a fleet of heavy bombers :-o
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@Sagar G.... u have to understand how chinese historically conduct their foreign policy... the best victory is the one which is won without fighting a war. eg wrt India how they have made us defensive abt AP, Ladhak just with constant propoganda, a little show of force every now and then, with pinpricks like visas on passport, protests abt dalai lama, marking a presence in POK, potraying larger than life image of their military power etc.. they have unhinged the Indian thought, psyche and action on these issues !! without even firing a bullet !!
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manjgu wrote:@Sagar G.... u have to understand how chinese historically conduct their foreign policy... the best victory is the one which is won without fighting a war. eg wrt India how they have made us defensive abt AP, Ladhak just with constant propoganda, a little show of force every now and then, with pinpricks like visas on passport, protests abt dalai lama, marking a presence in POK, potraying larger than life image of their military power etc.. they have unhinged the Indian thought, psyche and action on these issues !! without even firing a bullet !!
I don't agree with you that they have dented Indian psyche by there tantrums. I am also an Indian and I can clearly see through there smokescreens. Maybe our foreign policy w.r.t. them is more defensive than it should be but even after carrying out with there rhetoric what have they achieved ??? A.P. is still a part of India, Dalai Lama still lives here and moves around freely. If they play bitchy by putting there maps on passports we stamp our maps on there's, if they protest about Dalai Lama we Yawn, if they are marking a presence in P.O.K. then we are doing the same in South China Sea and our military doesn't seem impressed with there larger than life portrayal moreover all there antics on our NE border has only resulted in our government releasing funds to set up offensive units, Brahmos regiments, re-opening of advanced landing ground, infra modernization etc etc. All there antics have only resulted in there neighbours arming themselves to there teeth and ready for a battle when PRC wishes for one. I won't classify all this as an achievement in terms of foreign policy.
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dhiraj wrote:China Buys Tu-22MB Bomber Production Line from Russia
http://idrw.org/?p=16838#more-16838

Don't we think in these directions or we don't need such capabilities ?
This is the wrong thread for discussing Indian responses to China. Here we talk about the Chinese military. I have posted my response in the appropriate thread linked below
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 7#p1383747
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dhiraj wrote:China Buys Tu-22MB Bomber Production Line from Russia
http://idrw.org/?p=16838#more-16838

Don't we think in these directions or we don't need such capabilities ?
At $1.5 billion it was feasible. Not aware of the unit cost but assuming that we could
have had around 20-25 of them at around $5 billion all armed with Brahmos / Nirbhay (and longer range version )etc it
could have been useful.
US is still flying B 52 and Russia Tu 22 so these platforms still have relevance.
Basically I want to understand why don;t we a fleet of heavy bombers :-o
But what is about a TU-22 that let's say 3 no. Su-30 MKI's cant achieve?
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Payload and station time. I would rather go in for PAK-DA or see if MTA etc can be converted for MPA operations with a bomb bay.
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darshhan wrote:
dhiraj wrote:China Buys Tu-22MB Bomber Production Line from Russia
http://idrw.org/?p=16838#more-16838

Don't we think in these directions or we don't need such capabilities ?
At $1.5 billion it was feasible. Not aware of the unit cost but assuming that we could
have had around 20-25 of them at around $5 billion all armed with Brahmos / Nirbhay (and longer range version )etc it
could have been useful.
US is still flying B 52 and Russia Tu 22 so these platforms still have relevance.
Basically I want to understand why don;t we a fleet of heavy bombers :-o
But what is about a TU-22 that let's say 3 no. Su-30 MKI's cant achieve?
Right, which is why all these Tu-22 rumors are bogus. Neither China nor India needs to bomb defenseless countries halfway around the globe.
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Bheeshma wrote:Payload and station time. I would rather go in for PAK-DA or see if MTA etc can be converted for MPA operations with a bomb bay.
OK a single TU-22 has more payload than SU-30. But two or three no. SU-30's can easily match TU-22's wrt payload. As far as range goes SU-30 has a decent range and especially more so with external fuel tanks and refuelling aircraft. TU-22s don't have that much of an advantage over SU-30's in this regard.(Referred wikipedia)

Add to this Sukhois being Fighters are much more maneuverable, hence more survivable. Another thing that adds to their survivability compared to TU-22s is their much lower radar signature.

Not to mention the expenses that are required to induct, operate and maintain these aircrafts.

In 21st century if any country goes for a weapons platform like tu-22, it only points to a serious lack of imagination. I would actually welcome China inducting these aircrafts. They are more of sitting ducks when it comes to operating in contested/denied airspace.

The report says that China is buying the production line. Now what it does with the production line remains yet to be seen.

Such weapons platforms were children of Cold war, where both US and Soviets had unlimited budgets to justify any purchase. They have very limited utility in current times.
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darshhan wrote:The report says that China is buying the production line. Now what it does with the production line remains yet to be seen.
And isn't that the greater threat?
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It might be.
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Don wrote:
Selamat Pagi wrote:
Another article which also pointed out 5 of the same weapon systems.
http://www.popsci.com/technology/galler ... al?image=0
To selamat Pagi I find this one is really interesting.
You two can blow each other in private, spare this public dry humping.

Share id's and mail each other blurred pics of PLA flag flying over white house.. and jerk off all night seeing that.
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Actually Tu22 makes imminent sense for the Chinese. There posturing is different from ours and in a different context.

Tu22 can easily cover all of the nine-dashed-line while having fighter cover from land based fighters like Su-30MKKs.

And since they have great money on tap they can actually duplicate the ground facilities to host these in more then one place. Imagine Tu22M at say chengdu when you kissed your wife good night and in the morning you find them overflying the Tiwanese airspace with Su30MKKs providing air dominance that F-18s would be hard pressed to match.
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vivek_ahuja wrote:
darshhan wrote:The report says that China is buying the production line. Now what it does with the production line remains yet to be seen.
And isn't that the greater threat?
if georgians can hit it with sa-11.. IAF got much better stuff in its arsenal.
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ravi_g wrote:Actually Tu22 makes imminent sense for the Chinese. There posturing is different from ours and in a different context.

Tu22 can easily cover all of the nine-dashed-line while having fighter cover from land based fighters like Su-30MKKs.

And since they have great money on tap they can actually duplicate the ground facilities to host these in more then one place. Imagine Tu22M at say chengdu when you kissed your wife good night and in the morning you find them overflying the Tiwanese airspace with Su30MKKs providing air dominance that F-18s would be hard pressed to match.
Might be probable. But if this scenario is true, then Chinese are virtually admitting that J-20/J-31 programs have failed. Because if Chinese are going to induct J-20 by 2020 as they say, then there should be no need for TU-22. J-20's seem to be fairly large sized. I think our resident Chinese posters should come clean on this.

Earlier Shiv ji had stated another scenario wrt this purchase of TU-22 production line. That the Chinese were interested in tooling and production technology or something to that effect. This can also be the case. Here is Shiv ji's quote
The Tu 22 is an outdated aircraft and I doubt if the Chinese will want to enter into the game of re-engining that plane because the assembly line will not come with engine mfg unit. I suspect they want jigs and machinery for handling large aircraft parts.
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One thing I have observed about Totalitarian countries including PRC wrt Military technology. They are more focussed on Platforms rather than effects. This is probably a side effect of having a propaganda based rule.

I wonder if the chinese know the actual combat effectiveness of their own weapon systems.

If I were PRC Communist party chief, I would first attack a country like Cambodia or Laos just to check the PLA's combat effectiveness. Just like US does in Iraq/Afghanistan. Only then I would move towards Japan/India/Vietnam/etc
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Shivji has a valid point too. He may have had the latest itiration of H-6 in mind.

H-6K is a subsonic pregnant lady good to cover Tiwan but hardly the thing you would take beyond Tiwan. Only Bomber that can go beyond and yet makes economic sense is Tu22M.

As to the link with J-20 development. I do not see J-20 getting inducted before 2020 and even then only in small numbers. Besides the economic scenario may turn for the worse taking all plans down. Tu22 line is something available currently for something that can stay for next 20 years easily by which time J-20 should be available in numbers.

Added later :
Though I doubt if it is of much use against India. A big shiny thing for Indian Radars at high unavoidable altitudes is entirely un-sun-tuzian in thought.
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ravi_g wrote: As to the link with J-20 development. I do not see J-20 getting inducted before 2020 and even then only in small numbers. Besides the economic scenario may turn for the worse taking all plans down. Tu22 line is something available currently for something that can stay for next 20 years easily by which time J-20 should be available in numbers.
Ravi_G ji, This would mean only one thing. J-20 is a failure. If PRC cannot produce a war fighting bomber which is cheaper than TU-22(complete lifecycle costs adjusted for inflation) and in time, the program has failed. J-20 will be of very limited utility. Maybe Chinese posters can enlighten us on the various challenges being faced in J-20 program
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Boreas wrote: You two can blow each other in private, spare this public dry humping.

Share id's and mail each other blurred pics of PLA flag flying over white house.. and jerk off all night seeing that.
I almost spilled .... gosh, this thread :rotfl: :rotfl:
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darshhan wrote:
Ravi_G ji, This would mean only one thing. J-20 is a failure. If PRC cannot produce a war fighting bomber which is cheaper than TU-22(complete lifecycle costs adjusted for inflation) and in time, the program has failed. J-20 will be of very limited utility. Maybe Chinese posters can enlighten us on the various challenges being faced in J-20 program
Without reaching any conclusion about J-20 there is another way of looking at the whole issue.

In the first place there is the Chinese government that deliberately leaks information via the internet in blogs and fora -via photoraphs, Typically it has been blurred photos showing a new aircraft in the distance with a foreground of grass/bushes/fence giving the (obviously fake) impression of an eager enthusiast who has clicked the image.

Why would the Chinese government do that? They are revealing some things and are hiding some things and I think these images are as much to titillate the Chinese within China as much as to provoke speculation, awe and admiration abroad. In other words there is a propaganda requirement that is being met. January 2013 will be 1 year since we saw the first flight news of J-20. The Chinese have succeeded in instilling the meme in popular media that the J-20 is a "heavy, stealthy combat aircraft". If you look at the information they have released - you find that the Chinese have officially never even called it a combat aircraft other than the "J" designation. The speculation about its role has always been in the media. No information has been released about its role or specs. And in the span of this one year they have simply released pics of the so called J-31. At first it was a cleverly designed "accident" in which the J-31 was seen sitting cockeyed on a truck in a highway. And now it appears in public pics. Again the Chinese have said nothing. It is the media that are speculating that the J-20 and J-31 will perform a combat tango like F-22 and F-35 (see the strange similarity in numeric designation almost 22 and almost 35? :D )

The Chinese have released no information at all. For all we know the programs may be experimental and not destined to be full fledged combat aircraft. In this day and age it is not east to get a "successful" combat aircraft. You have to make and a/c and then make it a success. It you want to send a reall military message then you should have the J-20 showing up at Zhuhai and later 4 J-20s overflying disputed islands. That is a much better indicator of role and intent. Simply releasing blury pics is more to provoke speculation and intrigue and cause unease among foes and cheer and joy among the Han masses about the gleat and grolious Communist regime.

Which Tu-22 line are the Chinese buying? There were two versions. One was the earlier fixed wing tail mounted twin engine Tu 22. The later one was fuselage engine swing wing. The earlier one is hopelessly obsolete, The latter one is just obsolete. The Tu-22 production line is going cheap. Why would you sell it cheap? It's cheap because its not worth much. Apart from jigs etc another possibility is that he Chinese actually want to export the damn thing to Pakistan, Somalia and Libya. But I think that is unlikely, but it remains a possibility. The swing wing stuff is probably a maintenance nightmare, but imagine the unease the Chinese will cause by selling 8 to Pakistan, 4 to NoKo etc. I don't think the Chinese are stupid enough to try and use these junk buckets for their own air force.
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

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the usual tamasha starts - gradually mysteriously slightly better pictures will emerge and the dry humping continue
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

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ravi_g wrote: I doubt if it is of much use against India. A big shiny thing for Indian Radars at high unavoidable altitudes is entirely un-sun-tuzian in thought.
Wouldn't be too sure. Indian radars, including AWACS, can only see 400km into hostile airspace. A long-range supersonic bomber can sneak up from outside that envelope at low level and attack a carrier in the Arabian Sea from say Gwadar with minimal warning using standoff missiles. Same thing with bases in Ladakh, Siachen, NE, Andamans and more. Unless we have 24/7 deep monitoring of paki, Tibetan and Myanmarese airspace along with Arabian sea and Bay of Bengal, the Tu-22 can carry out surprise attacks on these key Indian targets.
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